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How is this start/stop actually a "green" tech? Starters and extra batteries. How long will a jeep engine endure with this "awesome feature"? Hyundi should be charged an extra carbon tax penalty, because of the low mileage disposal engines they produce. How much more of a carbon foot print and trash in the environment is being created by such novel junk?
2012, the Obama Administration finalized the standards of automotive companies to encourage a corporate fuel economy average of 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025.
most times i turned it off anyways, because it's super annoying and i feel like i lose some control whenever it's on, though i sometimes forgot. but now that i know it wears off the engine too, i will DEFINITELY never forget to turn it off. thanks for the advice!
God forbid a group of people have fun with these videos, everything always has some problem for someone. He's an older guy having fun making videos, just go along with it.
Even Though Lexus & Toyota is My Fav. Brand,After Using my 01:@Tundra V-6 for a Courier vehicle for 888,875 mls.on Orig.Eng.but Trans.Finally Give up.Have Practically fired my Lexus Dealer for#1 REFUSING to change my 17 Lexus RC F Sport w/ 8 spd. Trans Fluid @ 67,500 mls.#2 Trying to charge me $190 for an oil change REFUSING to Stk.Ceramic Brake Pads,To maximize Brake Jobs & Saving my Rotors from Metallic Pads Eating them Up.Learned that w/ my Tundra.Ceramics run cooler after they warm up & don't eat ur Rotors.
Government overreach. They do this because of EPA regulations so they can meet MPG requirements. And since it wears out faster - it's win/win for car manufacturers. I think there are figures out there saying it saves a negligible amount of gas over the life of the vehicle.
And it's actually worse for the environment. If the car wears out faster and you need to replace parts or change the car then the environmental impact is greater!
Agreed. I’m a dude. I do dude things. I like chicks…but I’ve never really cared about vehicles…I mean - I have liked vehicles…I liked some more than others…but until this guy Scotty - it hasn’t made sense. Now it does.
@@ComeatMEOW haha…great comments!…media would have us believe that if you don’t watch football on Sundays and work on your truck, you’re not a ‘real dude.’ But all of us straight guys have various levels of expertise and experience on all kinds of things outside those 2 mentioned. God bless ya’ll and keep standing up for truth.
Totally agree. The gas savings vs parts wear is like risking dollars to save pennies. The feature is also SUPER ANNOYING; dangerous even, due to the delayed restart. I constantly worry about stepping on gas too quick during the restart. Luckily my current cars Acura MDX Advance & RSX Type S don’t have it and my next car won’t have it either.
Stepping on the gas "faster" changes nothing. The failure rate on the parts involved in start/stop are very high. I don't see any reason to turn it off, 3% is huge over 6 years.
They could get 2 or 3% by just making the vehicle lighter mate. One wonders how much efficiency is lost by hauling around the ever increasing number of complex gadgets? For example electrically heated seats can weigh upwards of 80KG for a driver/front passenger seat for what is an utterly pointless function as your arse will warm it up after a minute while the cabin heater kicks in. A lighter car means better road holding, lower fuel consumption and better performance. I own a 2004 lightweight French supermini hot hatch, curb weight of 1035KG and it does 0-62 in 6.7, 140MPH, and cruising at 75MPH (it's peak mpg point) gets 45MPG on a flat motorway with 35MPH on the urban cycle if you don't drive like a boy racer. I wonder what it would do if I lightened it and replaced the posh leather seats and climate control system? That'd knock around 10% of the weight off, and of course with no A/C belt holding the motor back it'd rev a little more freely.
@@michealcthompsonjrYessir it does make a difference. If I forget and leave mine on and the engine shuts down at a light, then when I take off, if I forget and try to take off too fast, there’s a nasty jolt in the drive train as the engine tries to catch up with what’s going on, and I know it can’t be good for things. And that right there is why I try to always remember to keep mine turned off. Besides that it’s really annoying. The potential repair costs are not worth the potential savings.
@@darthwiizius Sorry, but I'm keeping my heated seats. Live in a cold, snowy climate and you learn to really appreciate them, even once the cabin warms up. Feels great on your back too. I'll gladly sacrifice those 80 kilos.
THANK YOU!! Finally a voice of reason. I rented a car once with this feature and couldn’t figure out why it kept “stalling” LOL what a ridiculous feature. My first thought was “that starter ain’t going to last!”
Crazy - all this technology is lining pockets , it's all well thought out from the design stage to make money from what used to be easy maintenance. Just look at the stupid Ford eco boost with a wet timing belt and a little 3 cylinder screaming it's chuffing brains out, man we're going backwards.
You can disable start and stop feature by taking out the fuse it’s located on the battery connector wire under the seat. It’s very simple to do. Did it on my Jeep the best thing I ever did!
Had a 2017 Dodge Durango with this feature. Had to replace the starter which cost over $1k because the engine mount had to be removed to get the job done. The mechanic checked how many starts the old starter had on it. It had logged 36,000 starts! We were floored! Even if I had started my car 10 times a day for a year it would have only totaled 3650 starts in a single year, but because it stops the engine at every stoplight, stop sign, and even when you pull in to park, it had racked up that many starts at the 87K mile mark.
Made it a tradition to turn off the auto start/stop in my mom's 2023 Terrain every time since the first day she bought it a couple months ago. Stumbled upon this video by accident. Glad to see you agree, Scotty!
I got rid of a 22 traverse that I had to take in for start stop issues about 5k miles after having it. After that I realized it's only down hill. Hope your mom's car lasts! Please baby it!!
My father-in-law's F-150 has auto start stop. I think his current truck is a 2020 like my Ranger. The first time i ever saw the start stop was on his truck. We were going somewhere and i saw him press the button with the A & circular arrow. He explained it shuts off the auto start stop feature. That was a big help because when i got my Ranger, I knew how to deactivate the start stop before the salesman could explain the feature. Personally, i can't stand the feature and i am glad i can shut it off. As soon as i start my truck up, its the first thing i do. It is the dumbest feature put into vehicles.
Amen, Scotty! I'm a reliability engineer and the auto cutoff drives me nuts for the same reason. You can't save that much on gas vs. replacing a starter - not to mention the extra stress on the engine that has to start with dry bearings since the engine stopped. I have a Kia Telluride and I installed a third market device that remembers your last setting. That way I don't have to push the button every time I start the car.
I absolutely HATE it. Will cause premature failure of other components like starter and battery. Dumb thing. Hope my next car doesn't have this as I would not buy it. But we may NOT have a choice as the government is ALWAYS telling us what is good for us
I am glad this video surfaced up. So many people here saying that there's delayed acceleration after "full stop" and I thought it was a defect on my car for the longest time.
100% agree! I just bought a new 2023 Honda Accord and it has one of these STUPID systems. I am already in the habit of turning that RIDICULOUS system off!
Thank You!! You settled an argument I had with an acquaintance about this feature. I live in Phoenix and drive on the "surface streets" constantly. If someone were to commute from North Phoenix into downtown along, say, 7th Ave. to work during morning rush hour, one could expect to make at least 9 or 10 stops along the way. And in summer when you have your A/C going, daytime running lights on, other interior electronics running, your phone charging, every time you stop for a light, your main battery is draining itself running those systems because your engine has stopped. So, it stood to reason that your main battery will wear out A LOT faster than it would if your idling engine was powering those systems via your alternator while you idle. AND i just knew, without any written evidence, that if you restarted your engine about 10 times more often than normal, you'd burn through your starter MUCH sooner. Physics is truth.
Thank's Scotty. In addition to wearing the engine, battery, and starter out faster, the few times I tried that feature on my 2019 Highlander, I noticed a lag in acceleration. Maybe not noticeable for the average driver, but I've driven Emergency vehicles for over thirty years. If you need to accelerate from a stop to get out of a situation where you may be impacted in a collision, you don't want any hesitation.
Yes, hundred times yes - the lag in accel after a full stop is just terrible. I got Dacia Duster 2023 1.3l engine with start-stop and I just can't start driving after a full stop with proper acceleration - it feels like I never gave it any gas...2 seconds go by and I am getting fking yeeted forward with that delayed acceleration. I enjoy the part of using remote and starting the car with button, but other than that - it's terrible.
@@ward7576I personally have made it a point to try to avoid those smaller engines. I had a 1.6L 2013 Ford Fusion, and don't get me wrong I did love that car. Cool looking, and a solid car all around. Except at 150k miles we were doing something and noticed that the serpentine belt we just replaced 6 months ago was now shredded. The headers were leaking. The turbochargers they put on these smaller engines are killing them. Maybe they can get away without a turbo on some, but most they put a turbo on, and I just don't know if I could trust one, even without a turbo. I hope you get a long life out of that car, but man if a vehicle is blowing oil like that under 200k miles, it's a failure in my opinion. Meanwhile my 5.6L v8 on my truck is going on 325k miles with no such oil leak. As far as I'm concerned, that's HALF the lifespan.
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The lag in acceleration comes from torque converter no longer spinning since the engine shutdown. If quick acceleration after start in automatic car is what you want, a dual clutch transmission is what you want.
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They do. But you gotta tear the whole dash apart to install a wiring harness that installs to an existing coupling that overrides the auto stop start button. When it’s installed you start the car the button defaults to off instead of on. You press the button the auto stop engages. 100 fricken bucks.
I had 2019 Accord 6 speed so it didn't have it but the automatics did you only had remove cover by gear shifter to install, but Honda are usually easy with aftermarket mods. I now have a 2022 RDX that has it but it does have auto off button.
Your advice come 45000 miles too late for me, I just changed the stater of my ford transit. I will follow your advice on turning off the "A" start. Thank you, Sir.
👍🏼👍🏼 I hate this feature, specially on a STOP sign. There is a u-tuber that did some test on gasoline consumption and you only saves gas if you stop for more than a 10 seconds. I only use it on intersections that I know gonna take longer and early in the morning I turn off the lights and A/C to avoid faster drain of the battery. Good job Scotty in keeping the community informed and sharing your expertise knowledge to the whole world.
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Here is when auto stop-start IS useful: - Stopping at railway crossings - Stopping at drawbridges - Long traffic lights (or long lines at traffic lights) - Basically any stop that will make you wait longer than 10 seconds (for example, waiting for passengers at kiss&ride) Here is when auto stop-start SHOULD BE TURNED OFF: - Stop-and-go highway traffic (instead, creep in 1st-2nd gear with enough distance, this prevents unnecesary wear on clutches and you keep moving at idle instead of constantly restarting the car, and others can still change lanes if need be) - Uphill starts (unsafe when stopping as the engine produces no thrust when shut off) - After a spirited drive if your car has a turbocharger (it needs oil circulating to cool and shutting down the engine stops oil circulation) - Cold weather until the engine has warmed up to operating temperature (car will typically automatically keep that system turned off until it's ready for use) It's not "planned obsolescence", it's "read the damn owner's manual", that button is easily reachable for a very good reason! It saves good fuel if you use it correctly and think ahead. Don't drive your cars mindlessly, it is a little spaceship, and you have to know how to manage it.
Yes I learned that trick real quick. Hearing that starter constantly firing up the engine 25 times a day when it should be 5 times. We always disable that button. In fact I purchased a component to tie into the system under the dash that prevents it from coming on at all. Don't even have to remember to push the button. they make them for most vehicles. Search for start stop bypass
I had a Compass 2018 with that system. In less than 18 months the dealer replaced both battery’s three times. Before 16,000 miles I traded it for a Ford Ranger. No complaints so far.
If there’s 1 thing I hate the most is having to push that dang button every single time I start my car😂. But you are correct I used to use that crap, killed my battery in less than a year to gain 0.02 mpg difference
I think some manufacturers implement this better than others. I used Auto Start/Stop for 7 years before changing the battery on my last car. I can almost not even tell it's happening on my car, either. But drove a Jeep once with it and it had a terrible delay when starting back up. Needs to be instant or it's extremely annoying.
In aviation we always avoid unnecessary engine starts. Specifically, if you need to move your airplane on the ground a short distance, it is best to move the plane by hand or with a tug. Starts cause excessive wear due to lack of lubrication plus battery drain. Especially when cold.
yup. i see it as a safety issue. if one is stopped and then suddenly must get out of the way there is at least a delay, and the slight but possibly fatal problem of a non-start.
Scotty I completely agree. That feature has been non existent in my 19’ ford fusion, I always have it off. I always felt like my starter and spark plugs will wear out faster and engine in general. Thank you for shining the truth into the community about this feature.
Thank you Scotty! I drive a Dodge minivan with this at work, I can see putting 100 starts on the equipment over the course of a work day - and that's without the intentional stops I make for food, potty breaks, and checking for clients.
They install start/stop to save gas but give you remote start so you can warm up/cool your car for 15 minutes 🤣 Remember that movie Idiocracy? If not, watch it. We are living it.
I've experienced this start-stop system in a VW Transporter. Whenever you stand still too long after engine shuts off through the start-stop system, you have to turn the car on manually. Great when this happens at a traffic light, or any move that can get the vehicle to a standstill. I hate this system, and it actually caused some dangerous situations.
I have what I believe is proof it wears an engine. I have a 2018 Audi A5 and turned the auto start off since the car was almost new. It burns no oil. Audi dealership technicians said, and Audi warranty aligns it, normal oil consumption is one quart per 1500 miles and they get reports of oil burning from people who leave auto-start on.
It's really refreshing that you tell it as it is, rather than fall into line with those who don't know better or even care. Because of planned obsolescence and other idiotic features and electronics that cause complex and frequent repairs, I will never buy a new car.
good call Scotty! that system Star/STOP is a mess up issue with the new cars comming out with it. i wish there was a way to get rid of that system entirely .
Pacifica owner here. It has the AutoStartStop feature. Disconnect the aux battery and it will disable the start stop and save you in batteries. We used to have to replace the batteries every year, but since disabling we are going 3 years strong.
We rented a Subaru in Florida a few years ago that had this. We would stop a red light for a few minutes and the engine would stay running the whole time. The light would turn green and as soon as I took my foot off of the brake to step on the gas the engine would turn off and would have to restart the engine by the time I stepped on the gas. It would always turn the engine off between taking my foot off of the brake and stepping on the gas. No gas was saved by this in fact it would end up using more gas restarting the engine.
The default ought to be to have stupid start stop OFF! I’ve had too many close calls pulling out into traffic from the hesitation in forgetting to push that stupid button to turn the thing off! Note: You can get a dongle to plug into the computer port to make the default OFF! Haven’t got one yet but plan to. Thanks! Good video.
I find it amazing that they actually put a button in there where you could actually turn it off at least temporarily, that is what surprised me the most
We've made life more complicated than it has to be. My daughter has one of those start stop buttons but luckily when you turn it off, it stays off. I knew that was a bad idea, to start stop, seems common sense.
Your spot on Mr K. But this is what happens when people who have no idea how stuff works make decisions. You don't call the plumber if the roof is leaking just because it's water coming in.
I purchased an item online called a start stop eliminator. It took about ten minutes to install it works buy reversing the process, you have to push the button if you want to activate the start stop. If not it’s off by default. Works great. Costs less than 100 dollars
I purchased a start stop bypass kit that plugs into ODB port. I am old, and remembering to push the button usually happened at the first stop sign. I have a 2020 Equinox that doesn't have the button and have to put the car in manual shift and then shift it to the top gear... it works perfectly to bypass the start stop. I saw no change in gas mileage.
I'm glad you said something. I was taught since the 1980's that 99% of engine wear comes from starting car. I was taught that 1970's auto shop at school. So basically the auto companies on purpose did this so your cars wont last.
My start-stop system quit working I think the fuse may have burnout. That might be a way to eliminate it altogether by removing a fuse.? Possibly. I never use it on my 2017 Pacifica Limited.
The first car I had with the start/stop system was a 2019 Buick Enclave, but it had no button to disable the system. I used to shift into manual and go to 9th gear to prevent the system from shutting the car off. My daughter's 2019 Equinox had a similar issue, but to solve her problem, I bought a Range Disabler, plugged it into the OBD port, and the problem was solved.
The money you might save with auto stop/start is insignificant to the cost of replacing your starter. It can take more gas to start an engine than to leave it run for a minute.
I learn something new everyday. My 2004 Navigator is probably conspiring about installing it's own A off button, but that'll be the Automatic transmission deciding to stop working. :donkey laugh:
Thx Scotty! I saw this button on my 20 Edge when I bought it and realized it was going to wear out 1 or 2 parts before ya posted this vid. Every time I hop in that button gets pressed! Thought the button made no sense as well.
I hate the start/stop system, not only does it wear components out quicker I also think it’s potentially dangerous especially at road junctions. I always try and remember to turn the system off as soon as the engine has started and hate it if I forget on rare occasions!
I have this stupid system on my kia soul... I went back to my kia dealer and had them show me where that switch is located. Stupid bullsh*t on today's vehicles. Thank you Scotty....
I have an “Auto Start Eliminator” in my Subaru. It costs about a hundred bucks. Took 30 seconds to install and permanently removed the need to turn the auto start off each time I drive. Love it.
When I bought my last 2 vehicles. I asked the salespeople if it had start/stop. They said no, so I bought them. Start/stop is a stupid/dumb feature. Unfortunately, more and more cars are getting them.
I didn't know this stuff, but it always made sense to me to turn the start/stop function off after starting the car. On the subject of batteries, it was necessary to take my car apart to get to the battery behind the front wheel on my Chrysler Sebring... a big job! Then the special battery was £600 UK. That was a few years ago, so would be much more expensive to replace now. Being older and (hopefully) wiser, I now have a Honda Civic.
I have Subaru Forrest 2021. And my car several times stop on a light and completely shut down because of this stupid feature. Now I do what you recommend that you shut down this piece of s***And car never shut down for the last 3 months. And it is also killing starter 😮😮😮😮😮
The most annoying part about stop start is when it stops the engine when it is still cold or when you briefly stop at a junction and bring the clutch up. I now have to press the engine start button then the A button every time I get in.
Penny on the battery was classic. Example number one why this shouldn't be under a seat. what happens when you spill a drink. last I check electricity and liquid like water does not get along.
Scotty would copy Fred Flintstone's ride -- to avoid any appearance of technological advancements. I've never found a NEED for my rig to self-start, so I'm safe from Scotty's "bogeyman".
Scotty, I completely agree with you regarding start / stop and most other things. Searching the internet, I found a device that reverses the start / stop. That is it requires you to press the A button if you want to use the start / stop feature. It cost me about $80 if memory serves me about took me about an hour to install. IT WORKS GREAT and eliminated the annoying start / stop. IT IS A PLEASURE !!
I have push to many cars that have stalled in my lifetime across intersections,so I don't get that peaceful feeling when I'm driving a late model car and it shutdown when it comes to a stop,and happy when it starts,when the light turns green, angst gone. Thanks Scott.
The biggest issue with my ‘23 Civic is the idle stop feature. My car has a manual transmission, which means that if I forget to turn it off, I’ll panic for a second thinking I’ve stalled the engine when I come to a stop. It also sometimes turns on with the clutch partially engaged which makes a rough start, and on top of all other problems will wear the clutch.
I'm in U.K got a VW Golf diesel mk 8. I always turn this function off but even more annoying I turn off lane assist which is so strong it can pull the steering wheel strongly.
There are auto idle stoppers available that can be installed. I installed one on our 2023 honda pilot. It automatically turns off the feature after start. You can manually turn it on if you like. Basically it defaults the setting to off upon startup but otherwise works as expected.
It’s the first thing I do! I just got my new VW suv a few months ago and couldn’t figure out why it would do this! Finally got in the manual and figured out how to shut it off after a family member said that can’t be good for my starter! They put the button to activate/deactivate on the passenger side of the shifter up far enough you can’t see it from the driver’s seat. I just feel for it when I start up. Then the instrument cluster annoyingly pesters me regularly to please activate this start/stop!
Scotty i have had my car 9 years and i jammed a Pease of cardboard in my switch and my stop start is of all the time and i don't have to remember to press the button.
All of my teachers and a couple family friends that are auto engineers have told me it dont do anything but cause undue wear and tear and actually uses more gas because it pumps more fuel and air in when starting. The engineers have said it's just a big racket
Hi everyone. easy fix. I bought IdleStopper v2. (89 USD) in Sept 2023 and installed it in my wife's 2022 Honda Civic Touring. Works fantastic and never have to remind my wife "Did you press/push the Idle-Stop button so it is turned off?". It is now automatically Off and does not void any part of your Honda / Acura warranty. A simple device to install as may take 20 to 40 minutes to install depending on what model Honda/Acura vehicle you have. All it does is turn off Idle-Stop which you could do yourself. It does not affect the vehicle's operational ability or the ECM "Electronic Control Module" aka computer system in any way. This way when at a long traffic light or backed up for a while on the road from traffic congestion your vehicle will not stop idling and keep running. Imagine having the A/C on or the Heat going and the engine stops or maybe the engine fails to restart. The reason for Idle-Stop is government regulation on Emissions or to have less pollution. Idle-stop is annoying and aggravating as most people do not want it.
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That's crazy who would put 2 batteries specially underneath the seat.
I wonder why they are shutting down 😮
How is this start/stop actually a "green" tech? Starters and extra batteries. How long will a jeep engine endure with this "awesome feature"?
Hyundi should be charged an extra carbon tax penalty, because of the low mileage disposal engines they produce.
How much more of a carbon foot print and trash in the environment is being created by such novel junk?
I wonder how many corporate lobbyists it took to make this happen.
2012, the Obama Administration finalized the standards of automotive companies to encourage a corporate fuel economy average of 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025.
Eco Friendly cars can have two batteries too.
most times i turned it off anyways, because it's super annoying and i feel like i lose some control whenever it's on, though i sometimes forgot. but now that i know it wears off the engine too, i will DEFINITELY never forget to turn it off. thanks for the advice!
Scotty is a master of turning a four minute video into a ten minute one.
Think of the bubble-headed bleached blond that needs educational reinforcement. Scotty is helping her out too.
Just change the playback speed to x2 and you can do all that other important stuff you got going on in your life…
God forbid a group of people have fun with these videos, everything always has some problem for someone. He's an older guy having fun making videos, just go along with it.
Even Though Lexus & Toyota is My Fav. Brand,After Using my 01:@Tundra V-6 for a Courier vehicle for 888,875 mls.on Orig.Eng.but Trans.Finally Give up.Have Practically fired my Lexus Dealer for#1 REFUSING to change my 17 Lexus RC F Sport w/ 8 spd. Trans Fluid @ 67,500 mls.#2 Trying to charge me $190 for an oil change REFUSING to Stk.Ceramic Brake Pads,To maximize Brake Jobs & Saving my Rotors from Metallic Pads Eating them Up.Learned that w/ my Tundra.Ceramics run cooler after they warm up & don't eat ur Rotors.
4 minutes? He said what he had to say in 2 minutes.
I absolutely hate these start/stop stupid systems. It was a poor idea that wears components out faster.
Auto start stop /. Echoboost/ gdi /. Cylinder deactivation. Amazing tech. Planed absolescence
Another stupid and dangerous idea is Electronic Accelerators and Limp mode
Government overreach. They do this because of EPA regulations so they can meet MPG requirements. And since it wears out faster - it's win/win for car manufacturers. I think there are figures out there saying it saves a negligible amount of gas over the life of the vehicle.
And it's actually worse for the environment. If the car wears out faster and you need to replace parts or change the car then the environmental impact is greater!
I'm sure I've just watched and listened to scotty say the exact same 😂
You make learning about vehicles ridiculously entertaining so it's very easy to retain the information.
Such a great teacher.
Agreed. I’m a dude. I do dude things. I like chicks…but I’ve never really cared about vehicles…I mean - I have liked vehicles…I liked some more than others…but until this guy Scotty - it hasn’t made sense. Now it does.
Even my dog pays attention to Scotty, we watch the videos together.
@benjantzen8910 dude....I thought I was the only one
@@ComeatMEOW haha…great comments!…media would have us believe that if you don’t watch football on Sundays and work on your truck, you’re not a ‘real dude.’ But all of us straight guys have various levels of expertise and experience on all kinds of things outside those 2 mentioned. God bless ya’ll and keep standing up for truth.
If you flail your arms like a nutter wnen you talk, people listen to you.
Totally agree. The gas savings vs parts wear is like risking dollars to save pennies. The feature is also SUPER ANNOYING; dangerous even, due to the delayed restart. I constantly worry about stepping on gas too quick during the restart. Luckily my current cars Acura MDX Advance & RSX Type S don’t have it and my next car won’t have it either.
Stepping on the gas "faster" changes nothing. The failure rate on the parts involved in start/stop are very high. I don't see any reason to turn it off, 3% is huge over 6 years.
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They could get 2 or 3% by just making the vehicle lighter mate. One wonders how much efficiency is lost by hauling around the ever increasing number of complex gadgets? For example electrically heated seats can weigh upwards of 80KG for a driver/front passenger seat for what is an utterly pointless function as your arse will warm it up after a minute while the cabin heater kicks in. A lighter car means better road holding, lower fuel consumption and better performance. I own a 2004 lightweight French supermini hot hatch, curb weight of 1035KG and it does 0-62 in 6.7, 140MPH, and cruising at 75MPH (it's peak mpg point) gets 45MPG on a flat motorway with 35MPH on the urban cycle if you don't drive like a boy racer. I wonder what it would do if I lightened it and replaced the posh leather seats and climate control system? That'd knock around 10% of the weight off, and of course with no A/C belt holding the motor back it'd rev a little more freely.
@@michealcthompsonjrYessir it does make a difference. If I forget and leave mine on and the engine shuts down at a light, then when I take off, if I forget and try to take off too fast, there’s a nasty jolt in the drive train as the engine tries to catch up with what’s going on, and I know it can’t be good for things. And that right there is why I try to always remember to keep mine turned off. Besides that it’s really annoying. The potential repair costs are not worth the potential savings.
@@darthwiizius Sorry, but I'm keeping my heated seats. Live in a cold, snowy climate and you learn to really appreciate them, even once the cabin warms up. Feels great on your back too. I'll gladly sacrifice those 80 kilos.
THANK YOU!! Finally a voice of reason. I rented a car once with this feature and couldn’t figure out why it kept “stalling” LOL what a ridiculous feature. My first thought was “that starter ain’t going to last!”
When it comes to motor vehicles, I trust Scotty more than anyone.
I like his flow of thought as well. Just don't make it a religion.
Same here. Who does that put 2 batteries 🔋 🤔 underneath their seat .
Crazy - all this technology is lining pockets , it's all well thought out from the design stage to make money from what used to be easy maintenance.
Just look at the stupid Ford eco boost with a wet timing belt and a little 3 cylinder screaming it's chuffing brains out, man we're going backwards.
So did Captain Kirk! 👍
@@MrAlvarez23my Toro Lawn tractor has the battery under the seat, which I am very uncomfortable with!
You can disable start and stop feature by taking out the fuse it’s located on the battery connector wire under the seat. It’s very simple to do. Did it on my Jeep the best thing I ever did!
Had a 2017 Dodge Durango with this feature. Had to replace the starter which cost over $1k because the engine mount had to be removed to get the job done. The mechanic checked how many starts the old starter had on it. It had logged 36,000 starts! We were floored! Even if I had started my car 10 times a day for a year it would have only totaled 3650 starts in a single year, but because it stops the engine at every stoplight, stop sign, and even when you pull in to park, it had racked up that many starts at the 87K mile mark.
I am surprised they logged how many times the starter was used.
Made it a tradition to turn off the auto start/stop in my mom's 2023 Terrain every time since the first day she bought it a couple months ago. Stumbled upon this video by accident. Glad to see you agree, Scotty!
She hot?
I got rid of a 22 traverse that I had to take in for start stop issues about 5k miles after having it. After that I realized it's only down hill. Hope your mom's car lasts! Please baby it!!
My father-in-law's F-150 has auto start stop. I think his current truck is a 2020 like my Ranger. The first time i ever saw the start stop was on his truck. We were going somewhere and i saw him press the button with the A & circular arrow. He explained it shuts off the auto start stop feature. That was a big help because when i got my Ranger, I knew how to deactivate the start stop before the salesman could explain the feature.
Personally, i can't stand the feature and i am glad i can shut it off. As soon as i start my truck up, its the first thing i do. It is the dumbest feature put into vehicles.
Amen, Scotty! I'm a reliability engineer and the auto cutoff drives me nuts for the same reason. You can't save that much on gas vs. replacing a starter - not to mention the extra stress on the engine that has to start with dry bearings since the engine stopped. I have a Kia Telluride and I installed a third market device that remembers your last setting. That way I don't have to push the button every time I start the car.
cant you splice it together and stuff it back in the button hole?
I absolutely HATE it. Will cause premature failure of other components like starter and battery. Dumb thing. Hope my next car doesn't have this as I would not buy it. But we may NOT have a choice as the government is ALWAYS telling us what is good for us
just jam the button with something that's what i have done been like it for 9 years now never had to press the button. @@JanetVaughn-cm3et
I am glad this video surfaced up. So many people here saying that there's delayed acceleration after "full stop" and I thought it was a defect on my car for the longest time.
I am no mechanic, but as soon as I saw this feature I knew this was a bad idea. Thanks for confirming it Scotty.
you ARE "not a mechanic but" you "knew" thats a bad idea....sheeeet people are so stoopids
100% agree! I just bought a new 2023 Honda Accord and it has one of these STUPID systems. I am already in the habit of turning that RIDICULOUS system off!
Thank You!! You settled an argument I had with an acquaintance about this feature. I live in Phoenix and drive on the "surface streets" constantly. If someone were to commute from North Phoenix into downtown along, say, 7th Ave. to work during morning rush hour, one could expect to make at least 9 or 10 stops along the way. And in summer when you have your A/C going, daytime running lights on, other interior electronics running, your phone charging, every time you stop for a light, your main battery is draining itself running those systems because your engine has stopped. So, it stood to reason that your main battery will wear out A LOT faster than it would if your idling engine was powering those systems via your alternator while you idle. AND i just knew, without any written evidence, that if you restarted your engine about 10 times more often than normal, you'd burn through your starter MUCH sooner. Physics is truth.
Thank's Scotty.
In addition to wearing the engine, battery, and starter out faster, the few times I tried that feature on my 2019 Highlander, I noticed a lag in acceleration.
Maybe not noticeable for the average driver, but I've driven Emergency vehicles for over thirty years. If you need to accelerate from a stop to get out of a situation where you may be impacted in a collision, you don't want any hesitation.
Yes, hundred times yes - the lag in accel after a full stop is just terrible. I got Dacia Duster 2023 1.3l engine with start-stop and I just can't start driving after a full stop with proper acceleration - it feels like I never gave it any gas...2 seconds go by and I am getting fking yeeted forward with that delayed acceleration. I enjoy the part of using remote and starting the car with button, but other than that - it's terrible.
@@ward7576I personally have made it a point to try to avoid those smaller engines. I had a 1.6L 2013 Ford Fusion, and don't get me wrong I did love that car. Cool looking, and a solid car all around. Except at 150k miles we were doing something and noticed that the serpentine belt we just replaced 6 months ago was now shredded. The headers were leaking. The turbochargers they put on these smaller engines are killing them. Maybe they can get away without a turbo on some, but most they put a turbo on, and I just don't know if I could trust one, even without a turbo. I hope you get a long life out of that car, but man if a vehicle is blowing oil like that under 200k miles, it's a failure in my opinion. Meanwhile my 5.6L v8 on my truck is going on 325k miles with no such oil leak. As far as I'm concerned, that's HALF the lifespan.
The lag in acceleration comes from torque converter no longer spinning since the engine shutdown.
If quick acceleration after start in automatic car is what you want, a dual clutch transmission is what you want.
100 percent agree. I’m a paramedic and this would NEVER work for emergency vehicles
Yes! I thought I was imagining that lag!
I agree with whomever the Scotty Kilmer fan was that said we should harness Scotty’s arms to generate enough power to light up a small city! 😂 Try watching a Scotty video with the sound off and just enjoy his gesticulating! It’s fun! Love ya, Scotty!
I'm honestly surprised they don't have stop-start technology that you can't override already.
They do. But you gotta tear the whole dash apart to install a wiring harness that installs to an existing coupling that overrides the auto stop start button. When it’s installed you start the car the button defaults to off instead of on. You press the button the auto stop engages. 100 fricken bucks.
They do sell override devices so it disables the start/stop
I had 2019 Accord 6 speed so it didn't have it but the automatics did you only had remove cover by gear shifter to install, but Honda are usually easy with aftermarket mods. I now have a 2022 RDX that has it but it does have auto off button.
I imagine a tune could do it, I also imagine if you car has auto start stop then it still has a warranty so
@@stinkothestooleater4490The Auto Stop Start eliminator can be easily unplugged in case of any warranty claims.
Your advice come 45000 miles too late for me, I just changed the stater of my ford transit. I will follow your advice on turning off the "A" start.
Thank you, Sir.
Yup just one more step in the starting procedure, turn on and press the A@ start stop disable then seatbelt LoL
This man speaks the truth. No nonsense.
👍🏼👍🏼 I hate this feature, specially on a STOP sign. There is a u-tuber that did some test on gasoline consumption and you only saves gas if you stop for more than a 10 seconds. I only use it on intersections that I know gonna take longer and early in the morning I turn off the lights and A/C to avoid faster drain of the battery. Good job Scotty in keeping the community informed and sharing your expertise knowledge to the whole world.
Here is when auto stop-start IS useful:
- Stopping at railway crossings
- Stopping at drawbridges
- Long traffic lights (or long lines at traffic lights)
- Basically any stop that will make you wait longer than 10 seconds (for example, waiting for passengers at kiss&ride)
Here is when auto stop-start SHOULD BE TURNED OFF:
- Stop-and-go highway traffic (instead, creep in 1st-2nd gear with enough distance, this prevents unnecesary wear on clutches and you keep moving at idle instead of constantly restarting the car, and others can still change lanes if need be)
- Uphill starts (unsafe when stopping as the engine produces no thrust when shut off)
- After a spirited drive if your car has a turbocharger (it needs oil circulating to cool and shutting down the engine stops oil circulation)
- Cold weather until the engine has warmed up to operating temperature (car will typically automatically keep that system turned off until it's ready for use)
It's not "planned obsolescence", it's "read the damn owner's manual", that button is easily reachable for a very good reason! It saves good fuel if you use it correctly and think ahead.
Don't drive your cars mindlessly, it is a little spaceship, and you have to know how to manage it.
Yes I learned that trick real quick. Hearing that starter constantly firing up the engine 25 times a day when it should be 5 times. We always disable that button. In fact I purchased a component to tie into the system under the dash that prevents it from coming on at all. Don't even have to remember to push the button. they make them for most vehicles. Search for start stop bypass
I had a Compass 2018 with that system. In less than 18 months the dealer replaced both battery’s three times. Before 16,000 miles I traded it for a Ford Ranger. No complaints so far.
Rented one had no Auto off button glad it was a rental worst car ever only 28000 miles rode like it had 100000 miles.
Damn !!
You ought to replace that apostrophe in batteries once - with nothing.
@@stacyhamilton2619 Funny gir'l!
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I have a fun'ny too.
Usually when I'm tired of scissoring and just want to wrap things up.
My first car with this. So grateful for Scotty, I figured it was a problem.
If there’s 1 thing I hate the most is having to push that dang button every single time I start my car😂. But you are correct I used to use that crap, killed my battery in less than a year to gain 0.02 mpg difference
I think some manufacturers implement this better than others. I used Auto Start/Stop for 7 years before changing the battery on my last car. I can almost not even tell it's happening on my car, either. But drove a Jeep once with it and it had a terrible delay when starting back up. Needs to be instant or it's extremely annoying.
And my gas mileage increases by 6-8% when using it
@@xocomaox currently have a Jeep and hate it all the way around, just can’t afford to can it 😂
Wholeheartedly agree. I’ve been saying these exact same things for years on start/stop.
"Our new design will reduce pollution and save the planet".... Says the CEO's while flying in their private jet.
Yeah one jet vs 100000 cars
@@tapetwo7115 There are more, than just one private jet.
@@tapetwo7115yeah one that uses jet fuel of 100000 cars
In aviation we always avoid unnecessary engine starts. Specifically, if you need to move your airplane on the ground a short distance, it is best to move the plane by hand or with a tug. Starts cause excessive wear due to lack of lubrication plus battery drain. Especially when cold.
yup. i see it as a safety issue. if one is stopped and then suddenly must get out of the way there is at least a delay, and the slight but possibly fatal problem of a non-start.
Scotty I completely agree. That feature has been non existent in my 19’ ford fusion, I always have it off. I always felt like my starter and spark plugs will wear out faster and engine in general. Thank you for shining the truth into the community about this feature.
They were designed around not doing that lol
'19
They will tell you the starters are tested for 300k starts
@@stgrsaMaybe it's a 19 foot Fusion haha
Thank you Scotty! I drive a Dodge minivan with this at work, I can see putting 100 starts on the equipment over the course of a work day - and that's without the intentional stops I make for food, potty breaks, and checking for clients.
They install start/stop to save gas but give you remote start so you can warm up/cool your car for 15 minutes 🤣 Remember that movie Idiocracy? If not, watch it. We are living it.
not to mention the politicians on both sides of the aisle
So true.
Brought to you by Carl's jr.
@@unclereub4024why politicians has to be involved in things that they have no idea😮
@@unclereub4024only one side of the isle are writing these ridiculous EPA rules forcing these into cars.
I've experienced this start-stop system in a VW Transporter.
Whenever you stand still too long after engine shuts off through the start-stop system, you have to turn the car on manually.
Great when this happens at a traffic light, or any move that can get the vehicle to a standstill.
I hate this system, and it actually caused some dangerous situations.
Thanks again for being so honest, Scotty. We all appreciate it.
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I have what I believe is proof it wears an engine. I have a 2018 Audi A5 and turned the auto start off since the car was almost new. It burns no oil. Audi dealership technicians said, and Audi warranty aligns it, normal oil consumption is one quart per 1500 miles and they get reports of oil burning from people who leave auto-start on.
It's really refreshing that you tell it as it is, rather than fall into line with those who don't know better or even care. Because of planned obsolescence and other idiotic features and electronics that cause complex and frequent repairs, I will never buy a new car.
good call Scotty! that system Star/STOP is a mess up issue with the new cars comming out with it. i wish there was a way to get rid of that system entirely .
Had mine removed and a passenger ejection seat button installed for the wifes seat. Best decision ever.
😂
Ejecto seato cuzzzz
Why'd you marry her if you hate her so much?
@@Nupetiet you are confused he didn’t dislike her when he married her that’s a feature that comes later on in Marriage lmao
@@Nupetiet hate her so much?! She’s awesomeb!
This is the first thing I do when go into a car, glad someone else any with me
What are you trying to say?
Pacifica owner here. It has the AutoStartStop feature. Disconnect the aux battery and it will disable the start stop and save you in batteries. We used to have to replace the batteries every year, but since disabling we are going 3 years strong.
Sure glad our Tesla doesn't do that!
We rented a Subaru in Florida a few years ago that had this. We would stop a red light for a few minutes and the engine would stay running the whole time. The light would turn green and as soon as I took my foot off of the brake to step on the gas the engine would turn off and would have to restart the engine by the time I stepped on the gas. It would always turn the engine off between taking my foot off of the brake and stepping on the gas. No gas was saved by this in fact it would end up using more gas restarting the engine.
The default ought to be to have stupid start stop OFF! I’ve had too many close calls pulling out into traffic from the hesitation in forgetting to push that stupid button to turn the thing off! Note: You can get a dongle to plug into the computer port to make the default OFF! Haven’t got one yet but plan to. Thanks! Good video.
yeah they should give the option to turn it on instead of off
thank you for confirming what I thought was true !!! there needs to be away to stop that On/OFF stuff all together !!!!!
I find it amazing that they actually put a button in there where you could actually turn it off at least temporarily, that is what surprised me the most
The limiting factor is not just those crank bearings. Just think about the stress on the charger itself, and the energy drain on the battery.
Newer cars come with stop/start compatible batteries. People who have batteries that wear out are either bad drivers or buying the incorrect battery
We've made life more complicated than it has to be. My daughter has one of those start stop buttons but luckily when you turn it off, it stays off. I knew that was a bad idea, to start stop, seems common sense.
Your spot on Mr K.
But this is what happens when people who have no idea how stuff works make decisions.
You don't call the plumber if the roof is leaking just because it's water coming in.
I purchased an item online called a start stop eliminator. It took about ten minutes to install it works buy reversing the process, you have to push the button if you want to activate the start stop. If not it’s off by default. Works great. Costs less than 100 dollars
Me too. Love it. Never have to think about that stupid button.
ALSO, it shows they CAN build parts better if they want to!!! Especially bearings : )
Thank-you, Scotty! I suspected this from 1st time I heard a stop-start engine. You've more than vindicated my suspicions. Great work!
I purchased a start stop bypass kit that plugs into ODB port. I am old, and remembering to push the button usually happened at the first stop sign. I have a 2020 Equinox that doesn't have the button and have to put the car in manual shift and then shift it to the top gear... it works perfectly to bypass the start stop. I saw no change in gas mileage.
I'm glad you said something. I was taught since the 1980's that 99% of engine wear comes from starting car. I was taught that 1970's auto shop at school. So basically the auto companies on purpose did this so your cars wont last.
My start-stop system quit working I think the fuse may have burnout. That might be a way to eliminate it altogether by removing a fuse.? Possibly. I never use it on my 2017 Pacifica Limited.
The first car I had with the start/stop system was a 2019 Buick Enclave, but it had no button to disable the system. I used to shift into manual and go to 9th gear to prevent the system from shutting the car off. My daughter's 2019 Equinox had a similar issue, but to solve her problem, I bought a Range Disabler, plugged it into the OBD port, and the problem was solved.
The money you might save with auto stop/start is insignificant to the cost of replacing your starter.
It can take more gas to start an engine than to leave it run for a minute.
Amen to that. I'm on my 3rd battery in less than 5 years. I'm glad I didn't have to pay for it. Now I know to press the button, lol.
I learn something new everyday. My 2004 Navigator is probably conspiring about installing it's own A off button, but that'll be the Automatic transmission deciding to stop working. :donkey laugh:
They want that baby to wear out right after the warranty gives out. Thanks Scotty.
Thx Scotty! I saw this button on my 20 Edge when I bought it and realized it was going to wear out 1 or 2 parts before ya posted this vid. Every time I hop in that button gets pressed! Thought the button made no sense as well.
I was already doing this - glad my intuition was correct. Thanks Scotty!
I always supposed stop/start was bad for the engine but now Scotty confirmed it.
Don't buy these cars people
I hate the start/stop system, not only does it wear components out quicker I also think it’s potentially dangerous especially at road junctions. I always try and remember to turn the system off as soon as the engine has started and hate it if I forget on rare occasions!
I have this stupid system on my kia soul... I went back to my kia dealer and had them show me where that switch is located. Stupid bullsh*t on today's vehicles. Thank you Scotty....
I have an “Auto Start Eliminator” in my Subaru. It costs about a hundred bucks. Took 30 seconds to install and permanently removed the need to turn the auto start off each time I drive. Love it.
When I bought my last 2 vehicles. I asked the salespeople if it had start/stop. They said no, so I bought them. Start/stop is a stupid/dumb feature. Unfortunately, more and more cars are getting them.
Been turning it off in my base model 2wd f150 since day 1.
I didn't know this stuff, but it always made sense to me to turn the start/stop function off after starting the car. On the subject of batteries, it was necessary to take my car apart to get to the battery behind the front wheel on my Chrysler Sebring... a big job! Then the special battery was £600 UK. That was a few years ago, so would be much more expensive to replace now. Being older and (hopefully) wiser, I now have a Honda Civic.
You went from the frying pan into the fire with a Honda junk a Honda
Spent a fortune trying to keep the Chrysler on the road. Civic is a dream car by comparison.
I have Subaru Forrest 2021. And my car several times stop on a light and completely shut down because of this stupid feature. Now I do what you recommend that you shut down this piece of s***And car never shut down for the last 3 months. And it is also killing starter 😮😮😮😮😮
The most annoying part about stop start is when it stops the engine when it is still cold or when you briefly stop at a junction and bring the clutch up. I now have to press the engine start button then the A button every time I get in.
Penny on the battery was classic. Example number one why this shouldn't be under a seat. what happens when you spill a drink. last I check electricity and liquid like water does not get along.
Can you imagine if Scottie designed a car?... & you KNOW he kept that penny. 😂
Scotty would copy Fred Flintstone's ride -- to avoid any appearance of technological advancements.
I've never found a NEED for my rig to self-start, so I'm safe from Scotty's "bogeyman".
This also goes with hvac industry. The higher efficiency units wear out much faster. Blame the epa
Scotty saying the truth .listen to him.and YES make it a habit to turn that thing off before driving ...
Does all cars has that???
@MrAlvarez23 all the ones with that feature has the button to turn it off
Been doing that tip since i got my ford fiesta, 4 years ago. So far no problems. It was common sense to me at the time.
SOB! 😏 As I am walking I noticed that a number of cars were oddly stalling at stop signs. I kept thinking, dang they need new spark plugs.. 😆
Scotty, I completely agree with you regarding start / stop and most other things. Searching the internet, I found a device that reverses the start / stop. That is it requires you to press the A button if you want to use the start / stop feature. It cost me about $80 if memory serves me about took me about an hour to install. IT WORKS GREAT and eliminated the annoying start / stop. IT IS A PLEASURE !!
Excellent advice as always Scottie! Best wishes from London, England!
Gracias 🙏 señor Scotty for fixing our stupidity 😂😂😂😂you da man!!! We miss you here in Texas 🥵
The engineers that dreamt up this stop/start idea should be fired
I taught my wife to turn that crap off when she starts her car. I agree with Scotty, it will make the battery and starter wear prematurely.
The 2022 Mazda CX-5 does not have the ridiculous start/stop system. It's one of the many things I like about the car.
It’s not about gas mileage but about emissions. The catalytic converter is least efficient at idle, hence stopping the engine.
Thanks for confirming my fears. My 2021 Ranger has this feature and I hate it
I have push to many cars that have stalled in my lifetime across intersections,so I don't get that peaceful feeling when I'm driving a late model car and it shutdown when it comes to a stop,and happy when it starts,when the light turns green, angst gone.
Thanks Scott.
The biggest issue with my ‘23 Civic is the idle stop feature. My car has a manual transmission, which means that if I forget to turn it off, I’ll panic for a second thinking I’ve stalled the engine when I come to a stop. It also sometimes turns on with the clutch partially engaged which makes a rough start, and on top of all other problems will wear the clutch.
Purchase an idle stopper that's what I used for mine
That's an awful feature. My 2023 manual tacoma does not have that feature. Thank God!
The one thing worse than 'start stop' is 'start stop' on a manual transmission
I'm in U.K got a VW Golf diesel mk 8. I always turn this function off but even more annoying I turn off lane assist which is so strong it can pull the steering wheel strongly.
There are auto idle stoppers available that can be installed. I installed one on our 2023 honda pilot. It automatically turns off the feature after start. You can manually turn it on if you like. Basically it defaults the setting to off upon startup but otherwise works as expected.
Same things are available for the vw atlas…ask me how I know 😊
My 19 Cruze LS has a switch on the middle console to disable the auto stop. I love it.
If a car even HAS that button on the dash, there’s a 100% chance i’m not buying it 😂
It’s the first thing I do! I just got my new VW suv a few months ago and couldn’t figure out why it would do this! Finally got in the manual and figured out how to shut it off after a family member said that can’t be good for my starter! They put the button to activate/deactivate on the passenger side of the shifter up far enough you can’t see it from the driver’s seat. I just feel for it when I start up. Then the instrument cluster annoyingly pesters me regularly to please activate this start/stop!
Scotty i have had my car 9 years and i jammed a Pease of cardboard in my switch and my stop start is of all the time and i don't have to remember to press the button.
Note to self. If I bring my car to get serviced by Scotty, be sure to clean it it and vacuum it because it might wind up in a video.
That Jeep looks like the owner lives in it.
I remember the first time I experienced this system. In a split second I was already disliking it, and how it felt extremely unnecessary
I tell this to everyone I can. Thank you Scotty!
Unfortunately, its virtually impossible to disable on most cars due to its integration with so many other components and systems.
All of my teachers and a couple family friends that are auto engineers have told me it dont do anything but cause undue wear and tear and actually uses more gas because it pumps more fuel and air in when starting.
The engineers have said it's just a big racket
Hi everyone. easy fix. I bought IdleStopper v2. (89 USD) in Sept 2023 and installed it in my wife's 2022 Honda Civic Touring. Works fantastic and never have to remind my wife "Did you press/push the Idle-Stop button so it is turned off?". It is now automatically Off and does not void any part of your Honda / Acura warranty. A simple device to install as may take 20 to 40 minutes to install depending on what model Honda/Acura vehicle you have. All it does is turn off Idle-Stop which you could do yourself. It does not affect the vehicle's operational ability or the ECM "Electronic Control Module" aka computer system in any way.
This way when at a long traffic light or backed up for a while on the road from traffic congestion your vehicle will not stop idling and keep running. Imagine having the A/C on or the Heat going and the engine stops or maybe the engine fails to restart. The reason for Idle-Stop is government regulation on Emissions or to have less pollution. Idle-stop is annoying and aggravating as most people do not want it.