I have the Primera Negra Version and OH MY goodness......Sweet guitar!!i got it at guitar salon international and pretty much played a lot of other guitar before making my decision on this one. I am glad i bought it...still have it and love it. I am saving up for a Concert Negra version
Wonderful sound.. Over the last few months I have been watching videos of the Argentine Tango guitar players, many of whom use a plectrum. I am not a plectrum player but I am tempted. I have a Cervantes Blanca with a cutaway., one of ten made with the following specifications: Alaskan Sitka Spruce top and Monterey Cypress backs and sides. This instead of the usual European Spruce and Mediterranean Cypress. It also has a very beautifully crafted fingerboard extension over the sound hole to provide a total of 21 frets. I have owned this since 2006, the year it was made. It is a phenomenal guitar for most styles and credible for classical. The flamenco guitar I miss was a 1961 Ramirez made by shop foreman Contreras (MG). It was made with the finest cypress and the most beautiful European Spruce top I have ever seen. It had traditional ebony friction pegs with a Brazilian peg head overlay and bridge. The scale was Ramirez' earlier 650 mm scale. Mint condition. I was the second owner, the first being a doctor who had this custom made to his specifications to include a 54 MM nut width. The sound would fill a large hall and could be played lightly or with vigor and to put it simply, I have never heard or played a guitar so enchanting. This is the guitar that gets you up at any hour and calls you to play it. Sadly in a fit of poverty, I sold it. I very much like my current guitar as it has great charm and I enjoy playing it. I have no need to replace it, yet I am still searching for another guitar such as that Ramirez 1AF. It was haunting.
I feel for you, Jeff. I let a 73 Ramirez 1A go only a couple of years ago. Big mistake. They were still good quality up to about 75. Big, though, but I have big hands. Ah well, we were lucky enough to have played them once. Cheers.
So sweet playing ,bravo maestro! After seeing you,i bought the same,Well,the primera negra -A Because i've always played different Styles,and i think you're right if you like to play flamenco,classic ,jazz or bossa .thank you very much
Great video as always! I'm curious as to how the guitar sounds with you playing it without the pick (err, I mean plectrum, sorry my Yank roots are showing). I'm considering a Cordoba F7 Paco, which is more of a hybrid classical/flamenco guitar, so the comparison wouldn't be quite the same, but still interested in your thoughts.
I’ve never come across a hybrid I liked. They make for a bad classical and a bad flamenco in one package. I like a good classical or a good flamenco. If I were forced to choose one, the flamenco is more flexible in what it can be used for.
I'm definitely on board with his sentiment! I've picked up some flamencos that sounded great for classical music too. And the lower action is really nice!
Hi you play morning of the carnival beautifully. I have an old Cashmira flamenco and I enjoy playing classical on it and what’s more it is easier to play because of the lower action. Villa Lobos prelude 1 sounds better on a flamenco in my opinion.
Camps Amazon - I have one. Very nice. Selling it, though, as I’m culling the herd. Tuning down: yes. I often use gut trebles and prefer them down a semitone or two. Even with nylon strings I prefer a lower pitch and tension.
It does have a beautiful sweetness to the treble strings. Although that may be the musician. I'd like tho hear it play some Piedmont Blues. I bet it would be great for that style.
Just turned from seville with some flamenco sounds in the ear.They played all over there. You're right, it is very punchy, forwards.I will take a look at camps.
Well, I don’t really play flamenco guitar, Adnan, so it’s not an issue. Modern flamenco (i.e. not 19th century) uses nails a lot, especially the thumb, so I wouldn’t go there, but check out my “Strumming tips for baroque guitar” video for something very similar. Cheers.
Thanks a lot for the upload, Rob... I went through a surgery yesterday (nothing too worriyg), and your "manhã de carnaval" made me smile a lot after that.
Dear Rob i love your style Which pick do you use respectively Which pick do you recommend for the nylon or silk strings? Ruby sends big greetings from Germany
Hi Rob, I'm really enjoying your channel! Just wondering how you think this guitar compares to the Camps Concertio Negra Amazonia guitar which you play in a few of your other videos?
Oliver, the Amazonia is a professional-level guitar, with better woods and mostly made by a single luthier - the head luthier at the Camps factory. It really is like buying a luthier-made guitar. I use mine for classical playing, so have gut trebles and Rayon basses. With its beautiful rosewood back and sides, it has more body to the notes, even when strung with high-tension flamenco strings, as it was when it arrived. Both guitars are very-good value in their price range, but there is a big difference in overall quality. I have to admit that after receiving a Karel Dedain 'Arias' guitar this week (a 5,000 euro guitar), the Amazonia will be going up for sale. Let me know if interested, but I can assure you the sale has not influenced my points above. Cheers, Rob.
@@RobMacKillop1 Thanks for taking the time to reply. It’s helpful to hear more about the differences. I could be interested in buying. Will you be listing on your website? I’ve just heard the Arias in your latest video. Sounds lovely. Keep up the good work!
@@oliverwills6657 Oliver, I hadn’t got as far as thinking how to sell it. Maybe Delcamp, maybe Reverb, maybe eBay. The price will be £2,200 including original hard case. If you decide to buy it, just email me, robmackillop@gmail.com Here is a reminder of the guitar: th-cam.com/video/UJEDPYjYmvQ/w-d-xo.html
How do you play Rasgueado with short nails? I won't to know because I am experimenting with right hand nail length and I want to be able to play Flamenco (but mostly Baroque) guitar someday.
Playing rasgueado on a flamenco guitar is different than on a baroque guitar. For the latter you do not need nails. See my video on strumming tips for baroque guitar.
Yes, but it lacks attack when playing scales and arpeggios. Rasgueado is not bad, as the down stroke does make contact with the strings, though not as much as with longer nails.
There is one major flaw in your thinking Rob, pretty much every gig i played last year (around 140-ish) there was a need for amplification. I'd wager this is standard these days. Loud flamenco and true classical guitars generally suck when amplified. My thinline Ibanez cheese grater fits most non-classical situations immeasurably better than the 6k Scott that is the most expensive couch guitar I've ever owned (it's a beauty though) for a pure acoustic setting, it's piqued my interest for sure :D
@@RobMacKillop1Can't recall Paco ever playing a cocktail hour with a grumpy bass player :P i'd class anything Paco ever played as Flamenco :D for us every day gigging musicians, the bigger body/acoustic sound of a classical/flamenco is usually more trouble that it's worth // dunno if i'm being clear here or not but the whole context of my replies is in relation to other styles of music on the flamenco guitar
Si hay algo de decir de la guitarra camps! especificamente de la PRIMERA O EN MI CASO TENGO LA PRIMERA NEGRA "A" DE PALO SANTO, es una maravilla que proyeccion y volumen, a parte la comodidad que te brinda es excelente un mastil tan fino, delgado y sus cuerdas tan pegadas al diapason te dan una ayuda enorme como guitarrista. e probado algunas guitarras pero como la CAMPS las PRIMERA especificamente NINGUNA!!! si vale la pena!
Great work Rob, I play all styles taught them etc, now broke I just have a handmade flamenco g.perez , it's fine for all including classical I mean I'll play say Bach , or frecobaldi too ragtime, jigs and more especially renaissance music . M Granados is a fine teacher and his compositions and methods are brilliant
Hi tasos. Yes, Manuel Granados is a genius. Good to hear you’re still playing, and I hope your fortunes improve. I’ve been broke many times in my life, but the wheel continues to turn. As long as we can play, eh?! Cheers.
Rob I sort of mislead you. Their standard gold set has nylon G,B and e. with wound G option. But they have gut 'treble set' G,B, and e , They also have a Carbon treble set. Optima Musikseiten... Cheers :))
When I was 15 I had 6 months of classical lessons with a great teacher and player named David Underwood. He caught me just pretending to read music, trying to get by playing by ear, and scolded me for my "Porter Wagoner Thumb!"
This is beautiful as well, Rob, thank you for sharing : )
Glad you like it!
Great Sound
hello Rob thank you for your video your guitar sound very beautiful
Thank you!
What a great sound of the guitar and beautiful music, of course an excellent guitarrist
Thank you, my friend! Have a nice day!
I have the Primera Negra Version and OH MY goodness......Sweet guitar!!i got it at guitar salon international and pretty much played a lot of other guitar before making my decision on this one. I am glad i bought it...still have it and love it. I am saving up for a Concert Negra version
U maid part of my day today.Can a flamingo guitar playother other styles, yes it possible.thanks
C'est vraiment très très beau. Bravo et merci.
Merci, Arteb.
Beautifull playing ❤
Thanks, Andrey.
Wonderful sound.. Over the last few months I have been watching videos of the Argentine Tango guitar players, many of whom use a plectrum. I am not a plectrum player but I am tempted.
I have a Cervantes Blanca with a cutaway., one of ten made with the following specifications:
Alaskan Sitka Spruce top and Monterey Cypress backs and sides. This instead of the usual European Spruce and Mediterranean Cypress. It also has a very beautifully crafted fingerboard extension over the sound hole to provide a total of 21 frets. I have owned this since 2006, the year it was made. It is a phenomenal guitar for most styles and credible for classical.
The flamenco guitar I miss was a 1961 Ramirez made by shop foreman Contreras (MG). It was made with the finest cypress and the most beautiful European Spruce top I have ever seen. It had traditional ebony friction pegs with a Brazilian peg head overlay and bridge. The scale was Ramirez' earlier 650 mm scale. Mint condition.
I was the second owner, the first being a doctor who had this custom made to his specifications to include a 54 MM nut width. The sound would fill a large hall and could be played lightly or with vigor and to put it simply, I have never heard or played a guitar so enchanting. This is the guitar that gets you up at any hour and calls you to play it.
Sadly in a fit of poverty, I sold it.
I very much like my current guitar as it has great charm and I enjoy playing it. I have no need to replace it, yet I am still searching for another guitar such as that Ramirez 1AF. It was haunting.
I feel for you, Jeff. I let a 73 Ramirez 1A go only a couple of years ago. Big mistake. They were still good quality up to about 75. Big, though, but I have big hands. Ah well, we were lucky enough to have played them once. Cheers.
Very lovely version of Manha De Carnaval.
Cheers, Rich.
So sweet playing ,bravo maestro!
After seeing you,i bought the same,Well,the primera negra -A
Because i've always played different Styles,and i think you're right if you like to play flamenco,classic ,jazz or bossa .thank you very much
Cheers, Andrés! Have fun with your guitar!
Blanca or Negra. What to choose?! 🤔 and as our friend said..marvelous 🙏👏
@@ym4919 The negra has a bit more weight and depth to the notes, but I do love a good blanca.
@@RobMacKillop1 So I'll probably start with the blanca. Thank you 👍 Is it that light as advertised? +/-1250 grams
@@ym4919 I haven’t weighed it, but yes, it is very light.
Great video as always! I'm curious as to how the guitar sounds with you playing it without the pick (err, I mean plectrum, sorry my Yank roots are showing). I'm considering a Cordoba F7 Paco, which is more of a hybrid classical/flamenco guitar, so the comparison wouldn't be quite the same, but still interested in your thoughts.
I’ve never come across a hybrid I liked. They make for a bad classical and a bad flamenco in one package. I like a good classical or a good flamenco. If I were forced to choose one, the flamenco is more flexible in what it can be used for.
I'm definitely on board with his sentiment! I've picked up some flamencos that sounded great for classical music too. And the lower action is really nice!
Cheers, Matt. I actually raised the action :-)
@@RobMacKillop1 well, some people are just gluttons for punishment 😂
@@RobMacKillop1 how did you do it? I have a 1998 all Cypress Valeriano Bernal but it "cerdea a lot" very "flamenco" :)
@@anavanesaroman I just put a couple of strips of card under the bridge insert. That’s all it needed. Still plays in tune.
Hi you play morning of the carnival beautifully.
I have an old Cashmira flamenco and I enjoy playing classical on it and what’s more it is easier to play because of the lower action.
Villa Lobos prelude 1 sounds better on a flamenco in my opinion.
beautiful Rob!
Cheers, Adrian.
Cheers, Rob
After hearing you play the flamenco guitar, my first guitar love
A poem came
the night soul wanders
in my heart
caress the strings
far away the music comes back
whole
a mend in time
the night sleep shines deep
heal
the soul
do you hear
her ....
adrian
the guitar
a wandering lover
by Adrian Tann
March 11 2021©
@@adriantann6406 That’s a beautiful poem, Adrian. Brings to mind Lorca, though he would imbued it with sex, death and Catholicism! 😀
Thank you
That's interesting Rob because the poem has also another part of the title.
"a wandering lover' ☺️
I'll add it above
Rob, interested in flamenco negra. Any good luthiers you recommend. Also, do you tune it down?
Camps Amazon - I have one. Very nice. Selling it, though, as I’m culling the herd. Tuning down: yes. I often use gut trebles and prefer them down a semitone or two. Even with nylon strings I prefer a lower pitch and tension.
It does have a beautiful sweetness to the treble strings. Although that may be the musician.
I'd like tho hear it play some Piedmont Blues. I bet it would be great for that style.
Just turned from seville with some flamenco sounds in the ear.They played all over there.
You're right, it is very punchy, forwards.I will take a look at camps.
Get a good one!
bellissimo, bravissimo !
Gracie, Federico!
How do you feel about playing flamenco without nails?
Well, I don’t really play flamenco guitar, Adnan, so it’s not an issue. Modern flamenco (i.e. not 19th century) uses nails a lot, especially the thumb, so I wouldn’t go there, but check out my “Strumming tips for baroque guitar” video for something very similar. Cheers.
Thanks a lot for the upload, Rob... I went through a surgery yesterday (nothing too worriyg), and your "manhã de carnaval" made me smile a lot after that.
Good to know. Take care!
Dear Rob
i love your style
Which pick do you use
respectively
Which pick do you recommend for the nylon or silk strings?
Ruby sends big greetings from Germany
Have anybody a answer for me?
Sorry, Ruby, I never got notified of your comment. I use Gibson EH (extra heavy).
Excellent, love the tempo. I, too, prefer a flamenco guitar and have a Carlos Pena blanca. A wonderful guitar.
I am not alone :-)
Pour jouer d'autres styles, une flamenco negra est-elle plus adaptée qu'une blanca ?
Negra combines classical and flamenco sounds, Blanca is more flamenco. But I like both 😎
Hi Rob,
I'm really enjoying your channel! Just wondering how you think this guitar compares to the Camps Concertio Negra Amazonia guitar which you play in a few of your other videos?
Oliver, the Amazonia is a professional-level guitar, with better woods and mostly made by a single luthier - the head luthier at the Camps factory. It really is like buying a luthier-made guitar. I use mine for classical playing, so have gut trebles and Rayon basses. With its beautiful rosewood back and sides, it has more body to the notes, even when strung with high-tension flamenco strings, as it was when it arrived. Both guitars are very-good value in their price range, but there is a big difference in overall quality. I have to admit that after receiving a Karel Dedain 'Arias' guitar this week (a 5,000 euro guitar), the Amazonia will be going up for sale. Let me know if interested, but I can assure you the sale has not influenced my points above. Cheers, Rob.
@@RobMacKillop1 Thanks for taking the time to reply. It’s helpful to hear more about the differences. I could be interested in buying. Will you be listing on your website? I’ve just heard the Arias in your latest video. Sounds lovely. Keep up the good work!
@@oliverwills6657 Oliver, I hadn’t got as far as thinking how to sell it. Maybe Delcamp, maybe Reverb, maybe eBay. The price will be £2,200 including original hard case. If you decide to buy it, just email me, robmackillop@gmail.com Here is a reminder of the guitar: th-cam.com/video/UJEDPYjYmvQ/w-d-xo.html
@@RobMacKillop1 Ok, thanks!
How do you play Rasgueado with short nails? I won't to know because I am experimenting with right hand nail length and I want to be able to play Flamenco (but mostly Baroque) guitar someday.
Playing rasgueado on a flamenco guitar is different than on a baroque guitar. For the latter you do not need nails. See my video on strumming tips for baroque guitar.
th-cam.com/video/gArlVOJW4ME/w-d-xo.html
Great playing
Cheers, Bill. Nothing rehearsed, so there are a few wrong notes.
Rob MacKillop its jazz man, there are no wrong notes ;)
What is the action on 12 fret?
I don’t have the guitar anymore. Ask Camps. It was low, like all flamenco guitars, but I raised the saddle higher as I prefer a high action.
Is it possible to play flamenco without nails? I've seen you do rasgueado on baroque guitar.
Yes, but it lacks attack when playing scales and arpeggios. Rasgueado is not bad, as the down stroke does make contact with the strings, though not as much as with longer nails.
Manho Di Carnaval, Luis Bonfa Version ? Great sound !
Rob Mackillop version :-) It sounds better when I remember to tune it!
@@RobMacKillop1 Brazillean music and being slightly out of tune go well together.
Haha. Authenticity.
There is one major flaw in your thinking Rob, pretty much every gig i played last year (around 140-ish) there was a need for amplification.
I'd wager this is standard these days.
Loud flamenco and true classical guitars generally suck when amplified. My thinline Ibanez cheese grater fits most non-classical situations immeasurably better than
the 6k Scott that is the most expensive couch guitar I've ever owned (it's a beauty though)
for a pure acoustic setting, it's piqued my interest for sure :D
Ha. maybe. It depends how big the venue, the amplification, the stage set up, etc. Never seemed to bother Paco de Lucia, though...
@@RobMacKillop1Can't recall Paco ever playing a cocktail hour with a grumpy bass player :P
i'd class anything Paco ever played as Flamenco :D
for us every day gigging musicians, the bigger body/acoustic sound of a classical/flamenco is usually more trouble that it's worth
// dunno if i'm being clear here or not but the whole
context of my replies is in relation to other styles of
music on the flamenco guitar
Si hay algo de decir de la guitarra camps! especificamente de la PRIMERA O EN MI CASO TENGO LA PRIMERA NEGRA "A" DE PALO SANTO, es una maravilla que proyeccion y volumen, a parte la comodidad que te brinda es excelente un mastil tan fino, delgado y sus cuerdas tan pegadas al diapason te dan una ayuda enorme como guitarrista. e probado algunas guitarras pero como la CAMPS las PRIMERA especificamente NINGUNA!!! si vale la pena!
Great work Rob, I play all styles taught them etc, now broke I just have a handmade flamenco g.perez , it's fine for all including classical I mean I'll play say Bach , or frecobaldi too ragtime, jigs and more especially renaissance music . M Granados is a fine teacher and his compositions and methods are brilliant
Hi tasos. Yes, Manuel Granados is a genius. Good to hear you’re still playing, and I hope your fortunes improve. I’ve been broke many times in my life, but the wheel continues to turn. As long as we can play, eh?! Cheers.
How do you like Optima gold wound strings, may I ask? They have wound G too. B and top E gut (of course) and G gut if you prefer ? :)))
Never heard of the, Murat. I'll look for them. Cheers.
Rob I sort of mislead you. Their standard gold set has nylon G,B and e. with wound G option. But they have gut 'treble set' G,B, and e , They also have a Carbon treble set. Optima Musikseiten... Cheers :))
@@murattaner7384 No problem. I figured that out. Thanks again.
:))) Will appreciate if you let me know what you think of them when you get them. mutaornet71@gmail.com :)))
Nice chord/melody arrangement of Bonfa's Classic. I notice an irreverent thumb at 4:03 though! 😜
My inner rebel :-)
When I was 15 I had 6 months of classical lessons with a great teacher and player named David Underwood. He caught me just pretending to read music, trying to get by playing by ear, and scolded me for my "Porter Wagoner Thumb!"
Is the neck very thin?
Not electric-guitar thin, but thinner than my Ramirez.
I recommend us Antonio rey. Very good flamenco guitarist player
Cual esa canción?
Manha de Carnaval
what strings are you using ?
Aquila Sugar - go to their website for info.
thank you Rob
tension medium or hard ?
Never ever hard!
@@RobMacKillop1 sorry i don't understand
did you use gut strings for these too?
Yes, from Aquila. Cheers.
@@RobMacKillop1 Nice, I recently got the sugars. Sounds great against flesh strokes and with nails and no squeaks. Which Aquila's are you using?
@@diminishedthicc These days I use gut strings, which have always been my preference.