Thank you for the informative and thoughtful explanation! As a lifelong Texan, I am only now exploring classical and Flamenco at 52 years old. Much to learn! I think I need to travel to Spain and play some guitars!!
The wood resonates at different frequencies. Spruce is a higher tone. Cedar is deeper. Someone online did a test scientifically. . Personally I prefer the deeper resonance. Maybe in a performance setting with ambient noise, dancers, singers etc.... the brighter tone can cut through the other sounds?
Yes, spruce and cedar have different tone qualities. In my experience I found guitarists who are "cedar/persons" or "spruce/persons" but others enjoy very much both kinds of sounds. I include myself between the last ones.
Hello looking for some information, I bought a 1971 Alhambra flamenco guitar, but it need small minor work like new machine heads etc, but what I’m really looking to do would be to convert it too a classic guitar.
Hi Luke. In a flamenco guitar you can play both styles. Flamenco and classical. No problem about it. Just if you want a classical action you can increase the height of the bridge bone. But anyway with a flamenco action if no buzzing problems on it is also ok.
The man who's talking, sorry I don't know his name, he's right. I have just bought a Flamenco guitar from a respectable Mexican 'laudero' and it's sounds great for many classical music that I am studying at this moment, well I am studying classical Spanish music like Serenata Española de Malats, Asturias de Albéniz, several from Tárrega, and also some pieces from Bach. Perhaps it doesn't fit well with one from Eric Satie because the character of the music, kind of melancholy but it is not sound awful, it sounds maybe a little brighter. In the other hand I've been writing some music particularly with a little touch of Spanish music in a Classic guitar and also sounds great. The difference of course could be the specific works to play and the players, the guitarists, the personal touch, the emotional while touching and so on. Thanks for sharing.
I never saw such a "model" in any guitar maker. Cause also a flamenco or classical guitar needs different actions and measurements established during the construction. Also, the flamenco one needs a Golpeador on the top and will rapidly be defined by the public as flamenco guitar. But it is true that depending on the way of construction many flamenco guitars can perfectly be used for playing classical music and also many classical ones putting a Golpeador on them and doing some actions arrangements can perfectly be used for flamenco music as I said in this video.
SANTOS HERNANDEZ guitars were great - SABICAS used one - and also played a Ramirez - - When you know what you are doing it does not matter if it is a classical or flamenco guitar !
I think makers started to call some guitars that they made the ‘flamenco model’ not necessarily because it was a different guitar type. I play classical guitar music on a ‘flamenco guitar’ I have other classical guitars but keep going back to this one, it sounds clearer more pronounced tone and is easy to play. I think they are better. There are classical guitars made of the same woods so what the hell just call them the same.
@@maderaguitarras the idea we were playing with is a hybrid crossover. A plate glued to the top would be a dedicated flamenco. As said in the video, you can still play classical on a dedicated flamenco. I’m thinking of instruments that are more versatile and not so much specialized. Specific to you’re question, the tap plate material is going to effect the sound. Wood, plastic, carbon fiber. It can be whatever you want, as long as it produces the sound you want.
You can play whatever you want on either type of guitar. Flamenco guitars have lower action, intentional buzz and special sound that is preferred for flamenco music. Classical guitars have mellower sound, with more "sustain" that is preferred for classical and other types of music.
Flamenco guitars are a lot more ergonomic for flamenco music though. You'll occasionally see classical players playing flamenco guitars instead but I've never see a flamenco player on a classical guitar. The string height above the top plate is the big killer. You really want the strings close for golpes and so your thumb doesn't sink behind the sixth string for rasgeos.
Excellent video, and very informative. You made some very good points. I have often thought that people make too much out of the differences. I also find that Baroque music sounds better on my flamencos than on my tradional classicals. The quicker decay and the brighter sound works really well for many Bach pieces.
I had the same experience as you. When I play Bach where I like the most is with for example the Santos Hernandez or Manuel Reyes we have. Flamenco guitars. The type of sound is ideal for this music as you said.
Sinceramente lo considero un error, Alberto. Los vídeos en español y la página en español. Luego puedes traducir al inglés, al japonés, al alemán o al serbocroata para vender más, pero le quitas profundidad, sinceridad y origen a tu proyecto. La guitarra se llama guitarra española.
I think it’s great that you do the videos in English , the same amount of gratitude that the world owes to the Spanish guitar , the Spanish guitar is alive and healthy thanks to the rest of the world, ( flamenco ni te cuento )
Nineteen Fifty One Marcelo Barbero --->"SPEED" ---------- Ramirez CD/IR Ramirez SP/MH ---->"CANNON" ---------- Every builder uses these as baseline formulaic foundation to create the next level instrument. Most dedicated Luthiers have achieved their significance and produced incredible results for us to enjoy and use into infinity. Thank you MaderaGuitarras for reminding us viejos and challenging the younger 'ristas to utilize every available idea and technique to shatter the old ways. Toque!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you! I was in your wonderful country once and will never forget the extraordinary country, musicians and music I met there. Much Love from Spain.
Thank you for the informative and thoughtful explanation! As a lifelong Texan, I am only now exploring classical and Flamenco at 52 years old. Much to learn! I think I need to travel to Spain and play some guitars!!
You're welcome! Glad you found it interesting. Yes, it is a wonderful world. Welcome to Granada and I can show you my guitars. Regards!
Fine arguments! Thank you! Play more, enjoy more!
The wood resonates at different frequencies.
Spruce is a higher tone.
Cedar is deeper.
Someone online did a test scientifically.
.
Personally I prefer the deeper resonance.
Maybe in a performance setting with ambient noise, dancers, singers etc.... the brighter tone can cut through the other sounds?
Yes, spruce and cedar have different tone qualities. In my experience I found guitarists who are "cedar/persons" or "spruce/persons" but others enjoy very much both kinds of sounds. I include myself between the last ones.
@@maderaguitarras
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Gracias Hermano su video es muy informativo
puedes hacer video sobre la diferencia en el modo de construction de la escuela Madrid y escuela Granada?
Buena idea. Intentaré más adelante. A ver si con un guitarrero de Madrid si es posible. Saludos.
En general, hay una diferencia entre el sonido que producen guitarras de Madrid comparadas con las de Granada?
Sí. Hablando en general pues sí que hay una diferencia.
Hello looking for some information, I bought a 1971 Alhambra flamenco guitar, but it need small minor work like new machine heads etc, but what I’m really looking to do would be to convert it too a classic guitar.
Hi Luke. In a flamenco guitar you can play both styles. Flamenco and classical. No problem about it. Just if you want a classical action you can increase the height of the bridge bone. But anyway with a flamenco action if no buzzing problems on it is also ok.
Whatever guitar is, human will adaptively play it comfort as what his/her passion .. that is where "technique" come from
The man who's talking, sorry I don't know his name, he's right.
I have just bought a Flamenco guitar from a respectable Mexican 'laudero' and it's sounds great for many classical music that I am studying at this moment, well I am studying classical Spanish music like Serenata Española de Malats, Asturias de Albéniz, several from Tárrega, and also some pieces from Bach. Perhaps it doesn't fit well with one from Eric Satie because the character of the music, kind of melancholy but it is not sound awful, it sounds maybe a little brighter.
In the other hand I've been writing some music particularly with a little touch of Spanish music in a Classic guitar and also sounds great.
The difference of course could be the specific works to play and the players, the guitarists, the personal touch, the emotional while touching and so on.
Thanks for sharing.
so is there a hybrid guitar, flamenco + classic?
I never saw such a "model" in any guitar maker. Cause also a flamenco or classical guitar needs different actions and measurements established during the construction. Also, the flamenco one needs a Golpeador on the top and will rapidly be defined by the public as flamenco guitar. But it is true that depending on the way of construction many flamenco guitars can perfectly be used for playing classical music and also many classical ones putting a Golpeador on them and doing some actions arrangements can perfectly be used for flamenco music as I said in this video.
🤔Ironically , 🤫Andres Segovia requested that the action of his 1937 Hauser classical guitar be lowered to increase its playability !
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SANTOS HERNANDEZ guitars were great - SABICAS used one - and also played a Ramirez - - When you know what you are doing it does not matter if it is a classical or flamenco guitar !
I think makers started to call some guitars that they made the ‘flamenco model’ not necessarily because it was a different guitar type.
I play classical guitar music on a ‘flamenco guitar’ I have other classical guitars but keep going back to this one, it sounds clearer more pronounced tone and is easy to play. I think they are better. There are classical guitars made of the same woods so what the hell just call them the same.
I build all of my guitars as flamenco and then provide two different heights of saddles. Quick easy swap for flamenco to classical
And on both you put the flamenco pickguard? Golpeador
@@maderaguitarras the tap plate is a removable piece of plastic held in place by static. easily removable.
I see. I wonder if that removable plastic plate can produce the same percussive sound tap effect that the "normal" one.
@@maderaguitarras the idea we were playing with is a hybrid crossover. A plate glued to the top would be a dedicated flamenco. As said in the video, you can still play classical on a dedicated flamenco. I’m thinking of instruments that are more versatile and not so much specialized. Specific to you’re question, the tap plate material is going to effect the sound. Wood, plastic, carbon fiber. It can be whatever you want, as long as it produces the sound you want.
@@maderaguitarras I’ve never attached a permanent tap plate made of wood. Does it interfere with the resonance and make the notes die off faster?
You can play whatever you want on either type of guitar. Flamenco guitars have lower action, intentional buzz and special sound that is preferred for flamenco music. Classical guitars have mellower sound, with more "sustain" that is preferred for classical and other types of music.
Flamenco guitars are a lot more ergonomic for flamenco music though. You'll occasionally see classical players playing flamenco guitars instead but I've never see a flamenco player on a classical guitar. The string height above the top plate is the big killer. You really want the strings close for golpes and so your thumb doesn't sink behind the sixth string for rasgeos.
Excellent video, and very informative. You made some very good points. I have often thought that people make too much out of the differences. I also find that Baroque music sounds better on my flamencos than on my tradional classicals. The quicker decay and the brighter sound works really well for many Bach pieces.
I had the same experience as you. When I play Bach where I like the most is with for example the Santos Hernandez or Manuel Reyes we have. Flamenco guitars. The type of sound is ideal for this music as you said.
amazingly great vid and great points, very useful
Viva Espanja Viva Flamenco Thank You.
Sinceramente lo considero un error, Alberto. Los vídeos en español y la página en español. Luego puedes traducir al inglés, al japonés, al alemán o al serbocroata para vender más, pero le quitas profundidad, sinceridad y origen a tu proyecto. La guitarra se llama guitarra española.
Gracias por tu consejo y opinión Celedonio. Saludos desde Granada.
I think it’s great that you do the videos in English , the same amount of gratitude that the world owes to the Spanish guitar , the Spanish guitar is alive and healthy thanks to the rest of the world, ( flamenco ni te cuento )
Nineteen
Fifty One
Marcelo
Barbero
--->"SPEED"
----------
Ramirez CD/IR
Ramirez SP/MH
---->"CANNON"
----------
Every builder uses these as baseline formulaic foundation to create the next level instrument.
Most dedicated Luthiers have achieved their significance and produced incredible results for us to enjoy and use into infinity.
Thank you MaderaGuitarras for reminding us viejos and challenging the younger 'ristas to utilize every available idea and technique to shatter the old ways.
Toque!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank You for perfectly validating a much pseudo debated myth... love n respect from India 🇮🇳 ❤️🙏
Thank you! I was in your wonderful country once and will never forget the extraordinary country, musicians and music I met there. Much Love from Spain.