This didn't really help me with my F-89B, but it did help to teach me that it isn't any limitation of the airframe, more so just my own ineptitude with it. Which while that stings and doesn't help, it does however aid me in the long run, as I can adapt and overcome my own failings and hopefully learn to have fun with it.
My favourite plane so far. A good mix of energy fighting, speed and firepower but balanced out by its massive airframe, clunky compression issues and lack of dogfighting skills. It’s not a brains off grinder and not a absolute power struggle to do well in it. 9/10 will be last person alive
It should be noted the guns are incorrectly overperforming, which has been passed to the devs so they might get nerfed at some point The M24 cannons (same on the F-86K) are basically a Hispano Mk V / AN/M3, not an M39 like they are in-game.
yes and the proximity fused rockets have been proven to be wrong maybe two years back and are still in the game ... this is premium, they wont do drastic changes like that willy nilly, the most likely outcome is "passed to developers" is as far as that one will get ...
My idea for tk victims is that the amount the person causing the tk pays goes straight to the victims sl amount so its not such a bitch but then again the snail doesn't want their players to be rich
@@daddy_marx6823 yea, i'm not researching the F 86 F 2 i already suffered on the A 5 it's so sht that i would preffer play the F 80 C against the Mig 15/17.. i know the F 86 F 2 has better engine but nah i would research a 10.0 vehicle first and then i go to the Sabre line
@@TonnyH21 the F2 sabre is amazing, it's a shame you skipped it. The F sabres have an entirely different playstyle due to the better engine and tail, and the guns om the F2 are just... mmmmm
Looks like I finally got a replacement for the A2D as a grinder. I completely get why it was uptiered but god damn I can't be bothered to deal with anything more than 262s in that brick made out of tissue paper.
To be honest - Scorpion being 7.7 is not an issue by itself. You can't just uptier any vehicle and expect it to be balanced. What would help any vehicle would be something Gaijin apparently hates - BR decompression
@@ansgaryeysymontt7155 Nice necro, want a golden shovel? Anyway - its issue is how easy it is to obtain it - just throw the money. And you have newbs with no experience in jets and sometimes even less in props driving such planes down because they keep dying.
@@marcinnowak4299 Mam kilka szpadli. - To właśnie jest problem premek - kupują je ludzie bez żadnego doświadczenia statystyki idą w dół więc ślimak je polepsza a potem sprzęt jest dobry więc kupują go debile i koło się zamyka.
The only issue with getting the F-89B is that its guns are actually over performing, being slightly modified versions of the Hispano Mk.5/AN-M3/T31. Their rate of fire, muzzle velocity, and likely the belts are all wrong. There’s a possibility that the M24A1 guns on the F-89B and F-86K will eventually be nerfed to their actual, real life performance. When Gaijin actually plans to fix this is anyone’s guess, since it’s long overdue; it’s possible that after another large influx of F-89 players more attention will be brought to this issue. Here’s the TM/TO for the guns, published in 1953. stephentaylorhistorian.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/tm-9-2006-20mm-automatic-guns-m24-m24a1-m24e2.pdf
You're saying API is a good 20mm shell against air targets? I think that it's a fine shell if you hit a critical point, but HEFI works well even if you don't.
I don't know what's going on with WT BR match making. I just played an arcade match just messing around with an 8.0 lineup and I saw 10+BR planes. lots of them. This didnt seem to happen very often or at all just 3-4 years ago, now it's very common. My 8.0 M60 faces top tier tanks on a regular basis. This is one of the big reasons that even though I have top tier stuff unlocked I rarely touch it. After 6 or 7 years of playing the game I still stick to 4-5.0 BR. Even at 5.3-5.7 I see lower tier jets on a regular basis. Whatever happened to the 1.0 BR spread being the way to go? Even that was bad enough when vehicles weren't in the right spot anyway. Years ago people were even suggesting a 0.7 spread which I thought would be a big help. Now we don't stay within a tier or even 2. After the release of the new (4th) battle pass news, it's like after all this time they still haven't learned a thing. Don't buy this plane on sale or anything else. I've been saying for a while now we have to hurt their wallets. It's the only way they'll notice us as the players who make it all possible for them. I enjoyed the first battle pass and though they were on to something. I bought it. It was a mistake and I regret it. Look how long before they spun that into a shitpile
@@sheeesssh646 yes my mistake and the 100's of other players I hear complain about this. Surely not a gaijin mistake. Play the game for 8 years or whatever then tell me who makes mistakes
I had the F89B before the sail and it was pretty fun to kill bombers, but now all the fighters on my team are F89s... Btw the F89D is trash compared to B in my opinion. It has slower climb time, it’s slower, it doesn’t turn as great, and the rockets while they are better than guns to a point, you can be more accurate with guns
@@9skyman945 if you come to a conclusion on which is better then pls let me know too because im very confused on which one should i buy, can't buy both because limited budget.
would you recommend buying this or talismaning the sabre f-25? i'm just starting US rank 5 aviation now, so not sure if i'll have the time to get the sabre before the sale ends?
If you enjoy the MF the bis is better in every way The mirage 3E is dogshit and the 3C is alright. Good missiles but the flight performance is largely just a worse mig21
F-4E> all lol I'd get the Bis, maybe the draken because it's unique Mirage to a degree too but the grind there is extremely painful F-5 is fun but also muh grind the G.91YS might be fun too even tho not technically a supersonic
Funny how US teams get the best 7.7 planes but i get uptiered in my F-80A to 7.7 and my whole team dies with no kills to sk 60s and 262s with the 6 guns that i can't be bothered to check the name of.
@@DEFYN nvm you're right it's just that the J28B is 117kg heavier than the other two Interestingly I'm pretty sure all the Vampires' engines are underperforming by a little
Its pretty painful to see how many inexperienced players play this plane and waste its good flight and combat characteristics to either groundpound with the F89D or turnfight pretty much everything.
Hay 2 cosas que no se pueden creer de este avión -Que esta cosa esté en 7.0 con lo superior que es a cualquier otro avión del br -Lo absurdamente mancos que son la mayoría de sus pilotos
This is funny to me because in my opinion, the f-89 might be the worst purchase i have ever made in my life, it excels at nothing. Its the size of a planet and covers 3/4 of your screen, so situational awareness is out the window. And like you said, it flies like a whale so trying to get out of someone's gunpath is out the window And as for top speed? 590 in a dive? Pull 12 G's when you need to slow down? NO PROBLEM!!! 560 in a straight line trying to chase an ar234? Wings? BANISHED!! straight to Brazil. Idk why people freak out about it, it is one of the easiest plane to kill. as long as you arent in a 262, Then you might have to turn your brain on.
I have no idea how to play this thing, ripped the wing too often, zero responsive.... I have skill issues with this crap. Despite good gun, but somehow I do better with the slow fire rate on the m2 cannon or fast ones like vulcan... So weird
@@DEFYN lol I see what you mean now. Spit vs this seems like actual cancer. Yeah OK maybe 8.0 is fine. But that means the F89D should be 8.3 kinda weird they're both at the same BR. F89B at 8.0 seems fair but not 8.3
Fantastic grinder my ass, completely wasted my money buying this thing. It's good at climbing and literally nothing else. Going from German jets to this thing trying to grind US air all it's made me do is say fuck playing US. The only thing this thing is good at is climbing. It's like the rocket ME 262s if they had worse guns, worse mobility, was easier to hit, and wing ripped in dives.
Not sure if defyn is a shill for war thunder or not (probably) but don’t listen to this guy he’s full of shit. F89 B is absolutely not a good grind. This aircraft never sees 7.7 BR and 9/10 times you will be facing MIg 15’s and similar 8.3-8.7 jets. Which out class you by long shot. It’s not a good BNZ aircraft, as any speed above 930 you will tear your wings off, the acceleration is abysmal, and slow speed in this you can’t turn for shit and will die quickly. Save your money.
Truly inspiring content. My great grampappy Flew the F-89 in the great battle of Tunisia against the Me 262s. Great to see you appreciating it.
Are you sure?
@@nguyenminhquan3584 yes
*grandpappy*
@@ignominius121 F-89 was developed during the 1950s..
@@nguyenminhquan3584 I know what I said.
That kiss tho
:*
@@DEFYN what if we kissed at 7000 meters?!! 👉😳👈
He talked about cherry on top while was doing cherry on top
@@DEFYNah yes the f104 but at 7.0
If i ever find myself in a fight against this man and see him drop down the flaps I'll know i will be clapped within 20 seconds
This plane would have been god tier if its tail isn't blocking half of the screen every time you try to aim lol
That's honestly the most annoying thing
It's even worse on the javelin
The F-8 has this problem too.
It's fixed now. But the view tilts slightly when zooming in which makes me dizzy.
@@DEFYN yeah the javelin has to be the most annoying with that tail, that's what gets me killed specially when I turn onto something.
I will use it in sim so it will be no problem
The LAST thing I need to see in War Thunder is more F-89's
I bought them on sale a few months ago and they were worth it yes but we don’t need more
so you're one of those people..
Gaijin: "SAY LESSSS BROOOOOOOOOOOOO"
@@Kelgo102 you can't say "we don't need more" if you're contributing to the problem
I have already quit jet entirely and just grind for 8.3 jets in a prop.
the guns on this thing sound incredible
A throaty BRRRTTTT
You can't just outrun every plane at your BR!
haha revolver cannon go *brrrrt*
an big F for all the lions lost on this video
I don't know why but I can't stop seeing the cannons on the F-89B as whiskers...
Because that's what they are 😃
One of my favorite talismans I have is on the f 84 b 26, even before the air spawn buff, it was a relatively strong plane if played correctly
F84g is even stronger as it is faster and are regularly downtiered to 7.3
This didn't really help me with my F-89B, but it did help to teach me that it isn't any limitation of the airframe, more so just my own ineptitude with it. Which while that stings and doesn't help, it does however aid me in the long run, as I can adapt and overcome my own failings and hopefully learn to have fun with it.
I like how when zoomed in, the tail takes up half the screen
"Fantastic grinder" thats a fancy way to spell "op premium"
Its far from OP. It will meet 8.3 Mig 15 bis
Poor kid reeeeing again.
It is very much overpowered, just look at the stats and compare it to anything else at 7.7
@@datamek At 7.0?
I clicked so fast the servers still haven't responded yet. Also goddamit, gotta bust out the wallet again for the damned snail.
5:06 "ah it's defyn" poor guy knew what was coming
I got this at the year end sale with f11 gaijin coin and it got me through all of rank 6 and several rank 5's, a great grinder.
no tu-4s were harmed in the production of this video
Because of this video I fed The Snail™ and I do not regret it, I've already grinded 3 400k RP vehicles.
How can anybody not like this video, it helps me tremendously.
My favourite plane so far. A good mix of energy fighting, speed and firepower but balanced out by its massive airframe, clunky compression issues and lack of dogfighting skills. It’s not a brains off grinder and not a absolute power struggle to do well in it. 9/10 will be last person alive
"Killing bombers at the start is just 💋 cherry on top"
Wait if you kill them at the start wouldn't it be cherry on bottom :P
I just bought it yesterday after thinking about it for like three days and then this video shows up LOL
Just bought this thing a couple hours ago
Boy its insane
Wow DEFYN baiting his hapless squadmates yet again! Real mature dude!!!!
That's a player, not DEFYN's dog.. they can fend for themselves. If they die they should've played better
It should be noted the guns are incorrectly overperforming, which has been passed to the devs so they might get nerfed at some point
The M24 cannons (same on the F-86K) are basically a Hispano Mk V / AN/M3, not an M39 like they are in-game.
yes and the proximity fused rockets have been proven to be wrong maybe two years back and are still in the game ... this is premium, they wont do drastic changes like that willy nilly, the most likely outcome is "passed to developers" is as far as that one will get ...
@@Asghaad this kinda aged like milk, js
My idea for tk victims is that the amount the person causing the tk pays goes straight to the victims sl amount so its not such a bitch but then again the snail doesn't want their players to be rich
Was in a game while you played the FJ-4, doubt you will include it tho.
DEFYN, i have a request. Can you play the F 104 A? I'm researching it rn and i want to know the playstyle on that thing..
Hahah your forced to run away from everything
I would just skip the american F104s, they have 0 redeeming qualities and are easily the worst out of all the F104s in game
@@daddy_marx6823 yea, i'm not researching the F 86 F 2 i already suffered on the A 5 it's so sht that i would preffer play the F 80 C against the Mig 15/17.. i know the F 86 F 2 has better engine but nah i would research a 10.0 vehicle first and then i go to the Sabre line
@@TonnyH21 the F2 sabre is amazing, it's a shame you skipped it. The F sabres have an entirely different playstyle due to the better engine and tail, and the guns om the F2 are just... mmmmm
@@GeneralLee2000 it doesn't have the brrrt👀
Man i grinded the last phantom with the F-89D in a week of gameplay XDDDD
Can't decide whether to get this or the British tier4 SpitF XIV Premium
me to
judging from this video, this thing really likes to set planes on fire
damn you really like those F-2 sabre guns
CL-13A Mk5 video for current meta? Also, love your other Sabre videos. Helped me get a 3.0kd with the US ones.
Guessing J28 was out of fuel considering min on that plane is ~10min.
Looks like I finally got a replacement for the A2D as a grinder. I completely get why it was uptiered but god damn I can't be bothered to deal with anything more than 262s in that brick made out of tissue paper.
in the past it used to go over a mach and out turn almost everything in 7.0....lol
should be 8.0... is now 7.0. very cool
I love flying it in sim though
Been stuck deciding between buying this or the SU-11. Which one do you think is more worth it.
You didn't show me ripping my wing in the Vampire, thanks :')
Great time to fly out the Mig-15 BiS
When that plane get full uptiered with mig 15 , you better call your mom.
Great flight.
To be honest - Scorpion being 7.7 is not an issue by itself. You can't just uptier any vehicle and expect it to be balanced. What would help any vehicle would be something Gaijin apparently hates - BR decompression
To be honest - Scorpion being 7.0 is an issue
@@ansgaryeysymontt7155 Nice necro, want a golden shovel?
Anyway - its issue is how easy it is to obtain it - just throw the money. And you have newbs with no experience in jets and sometimes even less in props driving such planes down because they keep dying.
@@marcinnowak4299 Mam kilka szpadli. - To właśnie jest problem premek - kupują je ludzie bez żadnego doświadczenia statystyki idą w dół więc ślimak je polepsza a potem sprzęt jest dobry więc kupują go debile i koło się zamyka.
The only issue with getting the F-89B is that its guns are actually over performing, being slightly modified versions of the Hispano Mk.5/AN-M3/T31. Their rate of fire, muzzle velocity, and likely the belts are all wrong. There’s a possibility that the M24A1 guns on the F-89B and F-86K will eventually be nerfed to their actual, real life performance. When Gaijin actually plans to fix this is anyone’s guess, since it’s long overdue; it’s possible that after another large influx of F-89 players more attention will be brought to this issue.
Here’s the TM/TO for the guns, published in 1953.
stephentaylorhistorian.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/tm-9-2006-20mm-automatic-guns-m24-m24a1-m24e2.pdf
its highly unlikely they will change guns on a premium ...
What kind of mix should I put on it?
Can you make guide on current store sale? Its 30%, and there are some interesting choices
Hi Defyn! Thanks for the great videos.
Is this plane still worth getting now that the 8.0 Sagitarrio exists?
This no macht against su 11 spam at least you get to reverse them but that last hope
What does gimicky mean?
Also great gameplay. Will definitely buy it when given a chance
You're saying API is a good 20mm shell against air targets? I think that it's a fine shell if you hit a critical point, but HEFI works well even if you don't.
Its 7.0 now
I don't know what's going on with WT BR match making. I just played an arcade match just messing around with an 8.0 lineup and I saw 10+BR planes. lots of them. This didnt seem to happen very often or at all just 3-4 years ago, now it's very common. My 8.0 M60 faces top tier tanks on a regular basis. This is one of the big reasons that even though I have top tier stuff unlocked I rarely touch it. After 6 or 7 years of playing the game I still stick to 4-5.0 BR. Even at 5.3-5.7 I see lower tier jets on a regular basis. Whatever happened to the 1.0 BR spread being the way to go? Even that was bad enough when vehicles weren't in the right spot anyway. Years ago people were even suggesting a 0.7 spread which I thought would be a big help. Now we don't stay within a tier or even 2. After the release of the new (4th) battle pass news, it's like after all this time they still haven't learned a thing. Don't buy this plane on sale or anything else. I've been saying for a while now we have to hurt their wallets. It's the only way they'll notice us as the players who make it all possible for them. I enjoyed the first battle pass and though they were on to something. I bought it. It was a mistake and I regret it. Look how long before they spun that into a shitpile
mate it's always a 1.0 br spread. you must be making some kinda mistake?
@@sheeesssh646 yes my mistake and the 100's of other players I hear complain about this. Surely not a gaijin mistake. Play the game for 8 years or whatever then tell me who makes mistakes
totally OP at its BR as usually with premiums
it rips at 900 km/h..
Imagine people wanting the A10 when there's this.
now 7.0 💀
I had the F89B before the sail and it was pretty fun to kill bombers, but now all the fighters on my team are F89s... Btw the F89D is trash compared to B in my opinion. It has slower climb time, it’s slower, it doesn’t turn as great, and the rockets while they are better than guns to a point, you can be more accurate with guns
Whole team clubbed so hard
And now this beast is going DOWN in BR. It's gonna be at 7.3
And now its 7.0
@@zzz6730 and will be an absolute buy for me on the next GE sale
@@9skyman945 but is it better than su-11 which is also at 7.0 and is considered overpowered/pay2win by many players
@@zzz6730 Ah, you're right, I'm gonna need to carefully consider them both
@@9skyman945 if you come to a conclusion on which is better then pls let me know too because im very confused on which one should i buy, can't buy both because limited budget.
Will you ever play bombers?
the guns do NOT sound like this. i just bought it. why is it different for me?
Same rip
got nerfed like a year ago
would you recommend buying this or talismaning the sabre f-25? i'm just starting US rank 5 aviation now, so not sure if i'll have the time to get the sabre before the sale ends?
Why talisman the F-25 when you can straight up buy the F-35 Sabre? You get the SL boost as well, at the same BR.
For triple the price yes
This is better for grinding as you can also grind tier 3-2-1 with it as well as getting some SL
what rangeing do you use for gun
There are nose mounted the have no Rangeing
Managed to out dogfight a 84G lol
any aiming tips??? thats all i wanna know
Got a video on that too
Hey defyn, i have the f4e and the mig 21 mf, should i grind the mig 21 bis or mirage 3e or 3c?
If you enjoy the MF the bis is better in every way
The mirage 3E is dogshit and the 3C is alright. Good missiles but the flight performance is largely just a worse mig21
@@DEFYN thank you!
@@DEFYN and of any top tier jet that i dont have wich one would you recommend? Sorry for bothering you☺️
F-4E> all lol
I'd get the Bis, maybe the draken because it's unique
Mirage to a degree too but the grind there is extremely painful
F-5 is fun but also muh grind
the G.91YS might be fun too even tho not technically a supersonic
@@DEFYN thank you
Funny how US teams get the best 7.7 planes but i get uptiered in my F-80A to 7.7 and my whole team dies with no kills to sk 60s and 262s with the 6 guns that i can't be bothered to check the name of.
J28B has the same engines as Vamp FB.5 afaik only difference is weapons
It doesn't
Shares the same thrust as the italian one
@@DEFYN nvm you're right it's just that the J28B is 117kg heavier than the other two
Interestingly I'm pretty sure all the Vampires' engines are underperforming by a little
Its pretty painful to see how many inexperienced players play this plane and waste its good flight and combat characteristics to either groundpound with the F89D or turnfight pretty much everything.
So this or premium acc because my premium runs out in 40 days
Can you please play the Yak-9UT because no one does.
Day 3
i bet the F4E Phantom II would slap this lol just tali that instead
just got this plane and at 7.0 it's so easy
It sounds like a gat
how much is the f-89b rn?
5278 GE
F-89D when.
See F-89B i'll tolerate... F-89D not.
how do you get so much stuff for kills?? like 1k research points thats how much i get in a game
He’s using a premium plane, with a premium account, that gives so much more
so glad I unsinstalled
goat
Bêêêh
Hay 2 cosas que no se pueden creer de este avión
-Que esta cosa esté en 7.0 con lo superior que es a cualquier otro avión del br
-Lo absurdamente mancos que son la mayoría de sus pilotos
I refuse to be disgusting enough to ever use a F-89B against anyone.
This is funny to me because in my opinion, the f-89 might be the worst purchase i have ever made in my life, it excels at nothing. Its the size of a planet and covers 3/4 of your screen, so situational awareness is out the window.
And like you said, it flies like a whale so trying to get out of someone's gunpath is out the window
And as for top speed?
590 in a dive? Pull 12 G's when you need to slow down?
NO PROBLEM!!!
560 in a straight line trying to chase an ar234?
Wings? BANISHED!! straight to Brazil.
Idk why people freak out about it, it is one of the easiest plane to kill. as long as you arent in a 262, Then you might have to turn your brain on.
>Idk why people freak out about it, it is one of the easiest plane to kill.
Yea probably because you are flying it.
and right now its at 7.0 :(
I have no idea how to play this thing, ripped the wing too often, zero responsive.... I have skill issues with this crap.
Despite good gun, but somehow I do better with the slow fire rate on the m2 cannon or fast ones like vulcan... So weird
@@James73059 USE Boom and Zoom don't dogfight
@@James73059remember, when you are in the 900s and get a reduce speed message, pull your flaps until you slow down to the 800s or so
Uh no I think I like this at 7.7 and 8.0 is extreme. You already get uptiered to 8.7 sometimes. 9.0 would just be suicide just J out
And it's not suicide for 6.7-7.3 to fight this right now?
@@DEFYN lol I see what you mean now. Spit vs this seems like actual cancer. Yeah OK maybe 8.0 is fine. But that means the F89D should be 8.3 kinda weird they're both at the same BR. F89B at 8.0 seems fair but not 8.3
Don't advertise cancer please
❤
Meteor mk 4 is faster and turns better than F89B.
But it uses hispanos
It doesn't matter when the acceleration is nowhere near the f-89s
@@sniper_elite3853 i wonder if gaijin is ever going to fix hispanos, id rather have 4 .50 cals than 4 hispanos.
This thing isn't good as is to be now with f84 g other side is not good at all the gun are not good
1st comment!
and 2nd person to Like xD
First to like your comment!!!!!
Flying turd on sale.... Dont get lured by this.
This jet it too ugly for my money. :)
Early :)
First
Fantastic grinder my ass, completely wasted my money buying this thing. It's good at climbing and literally nothing else. Going from German jets to this thing trying to grind US air all it's made me do is say fuck playing US.
The only thing this thing is good at is climbing. It's like the rocket ME 262s if they had worse guns, worse mobility, was easier to hit, and wing ripped in dives.
another pay to win unfair advantage to make other people play the game pain
Not sure if defyn is a shill for war thunder or not (probably) but don’t listen to this guy he’s full of shit.
F89 B is absolutely not a good grind. This aircraft never sees 7.7 BR and 9/10 times you will be facing MIg 15’s and similar 8.3-8.7 jets. Which out class you by long shot.
It’s not a good BNZ aircraft, as any speed above 930 you will tear your wings off, the acceleration is abysmal, and slow speed in this you can’t turn for shit and will die quickly.
Save your money.
News flash youre just a bad player
I fu*cking don't understand how to fly on thi shit .... you can't turn normally, you can fly on small height ... idk .. very bad plane ....