f104s are really fun, like the f104a is just really fun to play... because its at 9.3 and does well. The missiles the F104S TAF carries and how it plays is not worth it at 11.0, if it was at a lower br i think it would definitely be worth it as it is an amazing plane, and you could do VERY well
I bought the F104S-TAF when it was in 10.7.And 9 out of 10 matches i get f5c and a10's as enemy and at that time, it was very op against those vehicles.Now in 11.0 ,not really bad but it does can bomb bases very quick and escape very fast from enemies.I have grinded 6.7M in silver lions and 1.3M in research points.If youre still playing this vehicle ,just bomb bases and run back or try to take enemies that are premium noobies
Same bought coz y'know Turkish ...i had to but yes it literally helped me grinding all the way to the Italian F-16 within days using bombs and sidewinders
same i got 7 kills on noobies f5cs su25ks and a10as but now its completly useles plane is good but matchmaker killed it. i love how su25k stayed 9.7 for 8 months
As someone who only play SB nowadays, the opposite is true for me, this thing is honestly the most potent SB mount I have mainly due to the sheer speed advantage it has over the most common enemies I face. This thing for some reason sits at 10.3 in SB and there's never a lack of food in the form of A-10's and SU-25's and if I ever find myself in an empty room, those magical tiny wings can somehow carry enough ordnance to blow up a base in one run, it's especially nice coz it can drop the bombs at supersonic speeds.
Phantom can’t even do that last thing. F-5C at 10.3 also in SB barely goes Mach 1 and only gets two aim-9es and half the guns of an F-100. And it’s still a good bomb sled at 10.3.
@@vincentreim8962The F-104S had to remove the gun to fit the avionics to fire Sparrows or Aspides. Hence why you never see an F-104S with Sparrows that DOESN'T have the gunport faired over
I bought a talisman for the regular 104s and I use it in sim. It s a very good plane there, especially now that they added new brackets and it's not constantly facing top tiers. Also I think the matchmaking system in sim is waaaay better than rb. All planes are useful at least once a week and there is no plane that is always frustrating no matter what
I have grinded every single vehicle in the Italy air tree using the F-104S TAF, and I love it. Don't get me wrong, the plane itself is utter dogshit, but across 400+ battles in it I achieved a win rate of 49% and... only 93 air kills. I understand that starfighters are *supposed* to be fighters, but the S TAF is a terrible fighter. What it CAN do, is go fast. Bring bombs, bind a flare button, enable your afterburner and for the love of god, learn how to evade radar and IR missiles. Once you've got that down, you're set to get bases in a large majority of your games - sometimes up to 4 bases per game, giving you hundreds of thousands of RP (Depending on if your team can win for you) If you REALLY want air kills, you can aim for a few head-ons, but know that they massively increase your chances of dying. PS, always fly to the left, unless you're mentally prepared for 3/4 of the enemy team to be flying on a collision course with you.
from watching defyn a lot, ive become a lot more grateful for having a gun in my J35XS, hard to use since no tracers and its only one far to the right 30mm, but its gotten me a fair few kills in turning and head ons that wouldnt have been possible with only missiles
I have Italy ground grinded out in full so I bought this to bully heli's and drop occasional bomb loads in ground rb. For that, it works just fine. The second you spawn, dive down to the ground and fly around the map to get near heli bases and then just boom and zoom them till they stop spawning. Most ground rb players who buy their way to top tier don't know how to evade missiles either, so you can slaughter hordes of premium attackers too.
In Air SB however this thing is a monster, it sits at 10.3 and the way BR brackets work in sim you can get into 9.3-10.3 match every single time You zoom around at 1400 kph and sling 6 missiles at oblivious attackers who barely have enough skill to fly straight and bomb bases To be fair I havent flown 104S yet, but I had many great games in german 104G at 10.3 and that plane is much worse with weaker engine and less missiles
As an italian main, i troughly enjoyed that small time frame when the Asa was the one of the best top tiers in the game. With the addition of the f16 and the mig29 all the f104 were sadly rendered useless. Thank god for the italian f16 tho
I fly sim battles And there you can Have 10.7-11.3 battles ever two days. That means you won't meet F-14's with F-104S.ASA. The plane is still The King in that BR
Sim is the reason why I think most of the Rank VII premium's are worth the money. Huge RP/SL bonuses, cheap fly-out costs, and depending on the day an insanely good BR matchup make almost all of them great and fun planes to fly.
The same can be said about the Ariete. One of, if not the best, pure dogfighters at its BR, but almost always gets uptiered to the missile meta with no missiles or countermeasures. I stick to the G.91 R/4 for grinding the Italian air tree
The G91 r4 is such a pleasant plane to use, and i have gotten some really interesting dogfights in it! You can outturn pretty much anything you meet. Only gripe i have is the low top speed.
For me, the F104 has a stereo type of being the last player on the enemy team, against an F-14. Prolly because that happens to be all the time in the F-14
Only jet i ever bought on release, main italy and love the space needle. Sadly they uptiered it to 11.0 after like 2 weeks making it see constant uptiers and making it 90% useless
F4s: 4x AIM9H, 4xAIM7F, PD radar, 11.3 104 TAF: 4x AIM9P, 2x AIM7E, Pulse radar, 11.0. .3 BR Is the difference between stomping and being powerless I guess 🤔
It’s like with the Swedish premium darken at 10.7 it has the same missiles much better dogfighting capabilities( MUCH BETTER) and only a bit slower but that thing stays at 10.7
This thing was soo good if you where even slightly skilled at the game, I had a 70% win rate in 300 battles. I just pop flares and turn slightly if I ever had a missile at me
@Cakeadventure my original comment was pointed towards when the jet first came out at 10.7. There wasn't really anything that could get you if you saw their misslie being fired.
Italy was my fastest grind, early and mid tier are pretty OP imo, top tier is where Italy suffers. But man I love the star fighters, they’re so fun to fly
Meh the saddest premium right now is the J2M5, thanks to the gun nerf you get 42 shots and 2/3rds of them are black puffs. Had one hit me 6 times in my 109 G6...no crits, just a slightly yellow fuselage. I felt so bad for the guy 😢
I had two back to back aces in the F-104S at 11.3, then got full uptiers the next 5 games in a row, getting maybe one kill if I was lucky. That thing stomps when it is downtiered, but an absolute victim when you have to face 11.7s or up
as a near exclusive 104 player, this is a fun plane (not sure abt the premium but) i enjoy how the 104 flies and fights, and ive got 5 aces and 2 double aces with the 104 a and 104 c. its my favorite plane
I was looking at this in the last sale. I went with the Ariete at 9.3 instead. Even without missiles or countermeasures, it's so fun to play and made grinding so much easier.
While definitely at a disadvantage at its BR since the Ariete has no missiles nor countermeasures its still a little monster. Managed to get an ace in it against even A-10s and SU-25s. The thing just holds energy insanely well and the guns are just about lasers
I bought this plane when it was at 10.7 and I absolutely loved playing this jet. I’d shoot down F-5C’s all day long. But then it got up tiered to 11.0 and it’s just not the same anymore… i love playing my F-104’s and I have every one for the Italian Tech Tree. I use it to bomb bases now. But I will always miss using boom and zoom tactics with this place and it being fun… hopefully one day it gets down tiered again back to 10.7
I got this jet for the grind so i own it since it came out, was given to me more or less as a gift to try and do one of the nations i havent touched yet and get eventually the new 12.0 jets. That being said, at 10.7 i was unstoppable and probably part of the reason it got bumped up. I got at least 1 base and 2-5 missle kills every game garanteed. Yes you can carry enough bombs for a base and missles for days as if were. At 11.0 its a 50/50 if you get uptiered and its drastically less effective. But bare in mind at 12.0 you are going to always skirt the map, bomb a base and then use your speed to be a vulture with missle kills but do so on the way back to base. You can buy this, its 60% of the time a fun meatball, not much that it meets can keep up with you in most encounters. The other 40% is purely just full uptier and the issues it presents. Take this jet with a grain of salt, if you pick it up its great, i wouldnt say its worth 70 anymore either but im not as harsh, id say wait for pack sales, the 20-50% off ones and you want to grind italy up or even a good silver grinder. This all day. (Wait till after gaijin fixes economy though before giving them anymore money though)
The matchmaker is really rough on literally any F104, at 9.3 you’ll constantly get uptiered to face mig23’s, su25s, F8’s, harriers, just so many planes that are as fast as the f104 but have way better missiles, maneuverability, radar, and have countermeasures. Basically, be ready for pain.
Joint worst with the ADTW imo, a plane with only regular 7E's and no agile eagle package at the same br as the F4E with both. Also no Guided CAS munitions (if you want to use it as CAS)
if the BR ceiling becomes 12.3 (or even 13,0) and all the top-tier 4th gens get bumped up, this and things like the j7e will really come into their own. Until then, though, anyone dumb enough to spend $70 on a 104S at 11.0, gaijin will take your money, not thank you for your patronage, then wait for you to cough up another $70 as you realise your mistake
Tip: Buying premiums from the steam marketplace is usually cheaper. sometimes they will be crazy markups like 14.99 for a p-26, but i've seen rank 6 jets go for 30
thank you for saving me the pain of deciding to buy this, I saw it and thought ooo drag plane with missles thought it would be really fun, didnt think it had a major problem geting uptiered all the time
Sad part is the 104S did get a period of time where it was super good, just the meta changed well before the TAF version got added. Have a great K/D and 600+ kills from when there were like 0 good radar missiles and all aspects
I used it in Air RB to grind Italy and had the most fun playing it while also doing well. My mind set is if you go into playing a vehicle knowing it’s shit you’ll do better and have more fun
I think you misunderstood the porpoise (intended) of this masterful aircraft (I only use the TT one lol 16k SL funny). The point is haha plane go zoom. Haha missile go boom.
@@WalvisYT I did 😁. I exclusively use the sparrows in downtiers, like I love this plane BECAUSE it it stupid. you video made perfect sense lol, and I completely understand (I'm literally the person who unironically plays the ariete and MiG 21 PFM to have fun and I turn off my engine alot to dodge missiles) I enjoy the pain and suffering! Great video though, I know the plane is not "competitive" like an F-5C but I like having to do things differently
As someone who has the plane and plays it very regularly. I find its best at bombing bases and definitely does not belong at 11.0. It stands no chance against Mig 29s, f16s, and f14s. It would work the best at 10.7 But when it does get downtiered i have some the best games i have ever had with it. Its fun but sucks
How about now? 50% off is it worth to grind italy. Im only doing it for the av8b and for future future eurofighter, im looking for a short grind to get those jets so its the only option
If you want to grind out Italy really badly, then I guess it would be worth it for 35 USD; you don't really have any other options to consistenly grind ITA air with. The plane itself is not worth 35 USD in my humle opinion, but maybe it's ability to grind Italy is worth it to you.
@@WalvisYT yeah I don't think it's really worth that for me as well but there is 0 other options to work with. Also idk if you play ground but do you recommend the vrrc(I think it's called something liek that).
@@WalvisYTwell I got the f104 and it's insane for grinding. Played 78 games and got 80 something kills and then 1 base a game. In those 78 games I've gained 2.3million sl and 300k+ rp.
Big brain play: Talisman the tree 104S when talismans are on sale instead. It will cost you quarter that for effectively the same plane with same grinding power...
The best playstyle for this plane is go little bit to the left, wait for the furball to form, then rush to furball, kill slow planes with guns, fire missiles on nonsuspecting enemies and just fly through the furball and run, once you are decently away from the furball turn and repeat
It's crazy they're asking $70 for this. If you're willing to actually buy a top tier premium there's the mig-23ml which us absolutely cracked and you can use it to grind a tech tree that's actually worth the time. My 23ml has carried me all the way to my first mig-29 already, i absolutely love it. The r24r is great, you also got the r24t which you can do funny sneeki breeki shit with from high altitude. Pop the wings straight out and you can genuinely throw hands with most other jets you'll see. With a bit of skill and luck, you can even win against an f16 in a dogfight, I've pulled it off a few times.
I buy premiums to grind when I don’t have a lot of planes so this is something I would consider if i didn’t have it in the US tech tree I’d rather buy a different jet
Because us, italy and japanese main are used to suffer, and one below average thing for us it's a bless. When i tried other nation it was like discovering a german beer after years of drinking bud light
As a F104S/ASA player you correct on all points I have the load out where you can mount the Aspides because I got it before the patch made it impossible to mount and even then you have to play like rat and finding a new target before you die I hope they can do something for the F104s' so they can be fun again at Top tier but I don't they will nor know how too
But how should i grind Italien then? I mean the problem is, there isnt another top tier premium for italy and i dont really wanna grind without an premium.
I am one of the fools who bought it early on after a shill said this was the fastest way to the F 16. The tactic you have employed I figured out three matches in to my ownership and have stuck to that since. Once out of ammo I then RTB ans swap to AA arming.
you know....when this plane come out(the TAF i mean)at 10.7 it was actually pretty decent and i really enjoyed it quite a lot. Unfortunately since its been moved up to 11.0 its unplayable since it has to face stuff like the F16,F14 and mig 29
Man i got this when it was at 10.7 and fighting complete f5 teams was so fun just spamming missiles and getting tons of kills now i run from mig 29s and f 16s where i literally can't do anything
Came back to this video after a bit and everything you said still holds true. It's actually worse now. Unfortunately it is now 11.3, almost always sees uptiers and can be matched with extremely potent radar missiles, Magic 2's and everything that you do not want anywhere near your plane. The only advantage it had was its speed but now most if not majority of the planes at its BR range can catch up to you. They sort of shat on this plane when they attempted a "decompression".. Can it still get kills? Yes, albeit unreliable for the average joe like me.
I just got the f104G today and boy did I have the worst time I’ve ever had in WT. Lost over 150K SL due to constantly dying of missiles which I just couldn’t do anything against (all aspect).
@@Mr.Tomato_God Haha mate, in just these 10 days they updated the flight model of F-104's in general again. Now they cannot turn at all. So you already could barely turn to either re-engage someone or dodge missiles albeit in a very low success chance.. But now with the newest update you cannot even do that. F-104's in higher BR's will be even worse now
I bought the taf and up to this point iam not regretting it But tbh, I wouldn’t have bought it if it wasn’t for the Turkish livery At this point, a year later, take away the AIM-7E’s the Turkish 104 could never carry those because even tho they bought the AIM-7 capable version they never used them On top give it the 9L,s and put it to 11.3 Even if the Normal 104s never carried them make that aircraft bearable
I just got the f104G today, it’s currently at Br 11.0, I went from the CL13B which is 9.0 Let’s just say that this thing is useless and throughout the whole session I lost over 150K SL due to getting about 6 kills in 50 games. I can’t describe how mad I am and how this br jump was the worst experience I’ve ever had
my problem with the italian f104's is that their claim to fame is speed, and just about everything at the same or even slightly higher br, is faster than it
For 30 USD, I think its alright. Its still not a great deal, but if Italy is your last tree and you just want to grind to the top, I also don't think its a terrible purchase either. Especially if you play sim.
It's a bad plane but if and when the snail chooses to bless you for some reason, you can wipe out half the lobby and end up 1st place. You can't do that in every plane.
gaijin on there way to make the Italian air tree as unappealing as possible.
*their
I literally just thought about how I’m only gonna grind Italian tanks and some planes but I’m loving the French planes mainly ad4
@@DALONEWOLF108 and that isn't even french
Idk I’m enjoying that tree much more than the us tbh. I’m playing arcade only though…
@@Shay-li3zv 🤓
The F104S is actually incredible in air sim, not that it matters because only 3 people play air sim
Yup. Many of these planes are bonkers in sim, the T2 Early is fine as well.
We now have all 3 sim players here...
Oi i Play Sim too... Sometimes
So you're THAT guy in my games.
Wymmm I still find full sim lobbies 😢
f104s are really fun, like the f104a is just really fun to play... because its at 9.3 and does well. The missiles the F104S TAF carries and how it plays is not worth it at 11.0, if it was at a lower br i think it would definitely be worth it as it is an amazing plane, and you could do VERY well
I don't think it should go down rather jets go up (f16/mig29/f14) should go to 12.3 or 12.7
I remember when it was at 10.7 and he didn't get full uptier always
@@napoleonetalcei1242 yes loved those times
I remember when it was at 10.3 with 6 aim9b against fgr2
They need to raise BR ceiling and move more 11.3 planes to 11.0 and 11.7 to give some breathing room to top tier
I bought the F104S-TAF when it was in 10.7.And 9 out of 10 matches i get f5c and a10's as enemy and at that time,
it was very op against those vehicles.Now in 11.0 ,not really bad but it does can bomb bases very quick and escape very fast from enemies.I have grinded 6.7M in silver lions and 1.3M in research points.If youre still playing this vehicle ,just bomb bases and run back or try to take enemies that are premium noobies
Bro same I bought it at 10.7 the next day gets moved to 11.0 and and now I can only use it as a bomber cause aim9j at 11.0 is sad
I basically did the exact same as you, i managed to grind thru italy fully and then it got put at 11.0 still use it as a bomber tho
Same bought coz y'know Turkish ...i had to but yes it literally helped me grinding all the way to the Italian F-16 within days using bombs and sidewinders
same i got 7 kills on noobies f5cs su25ks and a10as but now its completly useles plane is good but matchmaker killed it. i love how su25k stayed 9.7 for 8 months
Yeah, I did the same and was managing almost a 4:1 K/D. Once it got bumped up to 11.0, that quickly changed, and I've hardly touched it since.
Well the first problem isn't that you wanna spend $70 dollars nor fly an f104 at 11.0, nah its the fact you wanna grind out Italy.
70 dollars isnt that the british pound
The top end Italian air is pretty good right now, the AV-8B plus is really good for CAS and gets AIM-9M , F-16 ADF is pretty okay
As italian I agree
@@Tau_19it was euro…..
This is euro €
This is pound £
As someone who only play SB nowadays, the opposite is true for me, this thing is honestly the most potent SB mount I have mainly due to the sheer speed advantage it has over the most common enemies I face.
This thing for some reason sits at 10.3 in SB and there's never a lack of food in the form of A-10's and SU-25's and if I ever find myself in an empty room, those magical tiny wings can somehow carry enough ordnance to blow up a base in one run, it's especially nice coz it can drop the bombs at supersonic speeds.
Phantom can’t even do that last thing. F-5C at 10.3 also in SB barely goes Mach 1 and only gets two aim-9es and half the guns of an F-100. And it’s still a good bomb sled at 10.3.
back when this thing was on 10.7 it was very pleasant, once it got moved to 11.0 - never touched it
For 70 dollars that snail better personally deliver a fully functional F-104 to my doorstep
Naahh they will give you a wooden F 104 toy
Now since the f104s is on 11.0 it should get the aspide missels because its on the same br as the F4E with aim-7e2.
And it's same br as F-4EJ with AIM-7E, so it shouldn't have E-2's
@@dawkon990 I’m talking about the Aspide missel not the E2 and the F4 adtw has 4 aim-7e missels without removing the gun
@@vincentreim8962The F-104S had to remove the gun to fit the avionics to fire Sparrows or Aspides.
Hence why you never see an F-104S with Sparrows that DOESN'T have the gunport faired over
The aspides were never equipped to the F-104S TAF. Mostly because it was an export variant and didn't have the proper computers for the aspides
I bought a talisman for the regular 104s and I use it in sim. It s a very good plane there, especially now that they added new brackets and it's not constantly facing top tiers. Also I think the matchmaking system in sim is waaaay better than rb. All planes are useful at least once a week and there is no plane that is always frustrating no matter what
They’ve made big improvements in sim. Contrails were a huge sim improvement as well.
I have grinded every single vehicle in the Italy air tree using the F-104S TAF, and I love it.
Don't get me wrong, the plane itself is utter dogshit, but across 400+ battles in it I achieved a win rate of 49% and... only 93 air kills.
I understand that starfighters are *supposed* to be fighters, but the S TAF is a terrible fighter.
What it CAN do, is go fast. Bring bombs, bind a flare button, enable your afterburner and for the love of god, learn how to evade radar and IR missiles. Once you've got that down, you're set to get bases in a large majority of your games - sometimes up to 4 bases per game, giving you hundreds of thousands of RP (Depending on if your team can win for you)
If you REALLY want air kills, you can aim for a few head-ons, but know that they massively increase your chances of dying.
PS, always fly to the left, unless you're mentally prepared for 3/4 of the enemy team to be flying on a collision course with you.
from watching defyn a lot, ive become a lot more grateful for having a gun in my J35XS, hard to use since no tracers and its only one far to the right 30mm, but its gotten me a fair few kills in turning and head ons that wouldnt have been possible with only missiles
I have Italy ground grinded out in full so I bought this to bully heli's and drop occasional bomb loads in ground rb. For that, it works just fine. The second you spawn, dive down to the ground and fly around the map to get near heli bases and then just boom and zoom them till they stop spawning. Most ground rb players who buy their way to top tier don't know how to evade missiles either, so you can slaughter hordes of premium attackers too.
The plane is also known as the flying coffin in Turkey lol
lol it was called literally the same in italy
Well justified
@@Scarl3t03 it was called widowmaker in germany
In Air SB however this thing is a monster, it sits at 10.3 and the way BR brackets work in sim you can get into 9.3-10.3 match every single time
You zoom around at 1400 kph and sling 6 missiles at oblivious attackers who barely have enough skill to fly straight and bomb bases
To be fair I havent flown 104S yet, but I had many great games in german 104G at 10.3 and that plane is much worse with weaker engine and less missiles
F-104S is amazing in sim. Hands down one of the, if not the best 10.3 jet.
As an italian main, i troughly enjoyed that small time frame when the Asa was the one of the best top tiers in the game. With the addition of the f16 and the mig29 all the f104 were sadly rendered useless. Thank god for the italian f16 tho
I fly sim battles And there you can Have 10.7-11.3 battles ever two days. That means you won't meet F-14's with F-104S.ASA. The plane is still The King in that BR
Sim is the reason why I think most of the Rank VII premium's are worth the money. Huge RP/SL bonuses, cheap fly-out costs, and depending on the day an insanely good BR matchup make almost all of them great and fun planes to fly.
The same can be said about the Ariete. One of, if not the best, pure dogfighters at its BR, but almost always gets uptiered to the missile meta with no missiles or countermeasures. I stick to the G.91 R/4 for grinding the Italian air tree
The G91 r4 is such a pleasant plane to use, and i have gotten some really interesting dogfights in it! You can outturn pretty much anything you meet. Only gripe i have is the low top speed.
For me, the F104 has a stereo type of being the last player on the enemy team, against an F-14. Prolly because that happens to be all the time in the F-14
Wooooo new walvis vid I really like your content, keep up the good work
Thank you!
Only jet i ever bought on release, main italy and love the space needle. Sadly they uptiered it to 11.0 after like 2 weeks making it see constant uptiers and making it 90% useless
Honestly fantastic review of the F104S. Big thumb up, would like to see more of this kind
F4s: 4x AIM9H, 4xAIM7F, PD radar, 11.3
104 TAF: 4x AIM9P, 2x AIM7E, Pulse radar, 11.0.
.3 BR Is the difference between stomping and being powerless I guess 🤔
It’s like with the Swedish premium darken at 10.7 it has the same missiles much better dogfighting capabilities( MUCH BETTER) and only a bit slower but that thing stays at 10.7
@@zenitu6914 Well, yeah, but the drakens are fairly easy to deal with for 9.7s. Unlike the F104S.
This thing was soo good if you where even slightly skilled at the game, I had a 70% win rate in 300 battles. I just pop flares and turn slightly if I ever had a missile at me
It was good at 10.7, but it no longer is. 11.0 is rough for the F-104S.
Troll comment or completely cap, you call it.
@Cakeadventure my original comment was pointed towards when the jet first came out at 10.7. There wasn't really anything that could get you if you saw their misslie being fired.
Italy was my fastest grind, early and mid tier are pretty OP imo, top tier is where Italy suffers.
But man I love the star fighters, they’re so fun to fly
Many of the Star fighters for Italy have really good paint jobs too.
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK all of Italy. Spaghetti monster camos are OP
Meh the saddest premium right now is the J2M5, thanks to the gun nerf you get 42 shots and 2/3rds of them are black puffs. Had one hit me 6 times in my 109 G6...no crits, just a slightly yellow fuselage. I felt so bad for the guy 😢
I had two back to back aces in the F-104S at 11.3, then got full uptiers the next 5 games in a row, getting maybe one kill if I was lucky. That thing stomps when it is downtiered, but an absolute victim when you have to face 11.7s or up
as a near exclusive 104 player, this is a fun plane (not sure abt the premium but) i enjoy how the 104 flies and fights, and ive got 5 aces and 2 double aces with the 104 a and 104 c. its my favorite plane
I was looking at this in the last sale. I went with the Ariete at 9.3 instead. Even without missiles or countermeasures, it's so fun to play and made grinding so much easier.
While definitely at a disadvantage at its BR since the Ariete has no missiles nor countermeasures its still a little monster. Managed to get an ace in it against even A-10s and SU-25s. The thing just holds energy insanely well and the guns are just about lasers
I bought this plane when it was at 10.7 and I absolutely loved playing this jet. I’d shoot down F-5C’s all day long. But then it got up tiered to 11.0 and it’s just not the same anymore… i love playing my F-104’s and I have every one for the Italian Tech Tree. I use it to bomb bases now. But I will always miss using boom and zoom tactics with this place and it being fun… hopefully one day it gets down tiered again back to 10.7
I got this jet for the grind so i own it since it came out, was given to me more or less as a gift to try and do one of the nations i havent touched yet and get eventually the new 12.0 jets.
That being said, at 10.7 i was unstoppable and probably part of the reason it got bumped up. I got at least 1 base and 2-5 missle kills every game garanteed. Yes you can carry enough bombs for a base and missles for days as if were.
At 11.0 its a 50/50 if you get uptiered and its drastically less effective. But bare in mind at 12.0 you are going to always skirt the map, bomb a base and then use your speed to be a vulture with missle kills but do so on the way back to base.
You can buy this, its 60% of the time a fun meatball, not much that it meets can keep up with you in most encounters. The other 40% is purely just full uptier and the issues it presents.
Take this jet with a grain of salt, if you pick it up its great, i wouldnt say its worth 70 anymore either but im not as harsh, id say wait for pack sales, the 20-50% off ones and you want to grind italy up or even a good silver grinder. This all day.
(Wait till after gaijin fixes economy though before giving them anymore money though)
The matchmaker is really rough on literally any F104, at 9.3 you’ll constantly get uptiered to face mig23’s, su25s, F8’s, harriers, just so many planes that are as fast as the f104 but have way better missiles, maneuverability, radar, and have countermeasures. Basically, be ready for pain.
this title has now been moved to the tornado
Joint worst with the ADTW imo, a plane with only regular 7E's and no agile eagle package at the same br as the F4E with both.
Also no Guided CAS munitions (if you want to use it as CAS)
It was usable when it was 10.7 i have a 3kd with about 200 games in it and ever since it got 11.0 i have not touched it
I want it to go back to 10.7 :(
if the BR ceiling becomes 12.3 (or even 13,0) and all the top-tier 4th gens get bumped up, this and things like the j7e will really come into their own.
Until then, though, anyone dumb enough to spend $70 on a 104S at 11.0, gaijin will take your money, not thank you for your patronage, then wait for you to cough up another $70 as you realise your mistake
I love how much common sense this man has
Tip: Buying premiums from the steam marketplace is usually cheaper. sometimes they will be crazy markups like 14.99 for a p-26, but i've seen rank 6 jets go for 30
Steam market place ??
Back in my day, even the F-104 S did not even have flares when it came out at the same BR as Mig-21's with R-60's or F-4's with AIM-9J's
I love my 104A, honestly. I can't play any other jet at that tier because they feel so slow to me.
true, but the 104A's missiles are pretty bad and facing MIG21 constantly makes it basically impossibles in uptiers
thank you for saving me the pain of deciding to buy this, I saw it and thought ooo drag plane with missles thought it would be really fun, didnt think it had a major problem geting uptiered all the time
Sad part is the 104S did get a period of time where it was super good, just the meta changed well before the TAF version got added. Have a great K/D and 600+ kills from when there were like 0 good radar missiles and all aspects
I think I am partly responsible for pushing the tas up to 11.0 because I spent 12 hours seal clubbing in it when it was 10.7
I used it in Air RB to grind Italy and had the most fun playing it while also doing well. My mind set is if you go into playing a vehicle knowing it’s shit you’ll do better and have more fun
So a slightly worse mig 21spk, when you turn you loose a lot of speed. With the mig you choose between countermeasures or the cannon.
I think you misunderstood the porpoise (intended) of this masterful aircraft (I only use the TT one lol 16k SL funny). The point is haha plane go zoom. Haha missile go boom.
Watch the video
@@WalvisYT I did 😁. I exclusively use the sparrows in downtiers, like I love this plane BECAUSE it it stupid. you video made perfect sense lol, and I completely understand (I'm literally the person who unironically plays the ariete and MiG 21 PFM to have fun and I turn off my engine alot to dodge missiles) I enjoy the pain and suffering! Great video though, I know the plane is not "competitive" like an F-5C but I like having to do things differently
As someone who has the plane and plays it very regularly. I find its best at bombing bases and definitely does not belong at 11.0. It stands no chance against Mig 29s, f16s, and f14s. It would work the best at 10.7
But when it does get downtiered i have some the best games i have ever had with it. Its fun but sucks
i have over 750 battles in the tech tree F104S and i absolutely love this plane. if you play with discipline and think ahead its super effective.
How about now? 50% off is it worth to grind italy. Im only doing it for the av8b and for future future eurofighter, im looking for a short grind to get those jets so its the only option
If you want to grind out Italy really badly, then I guess it would be worth it for 35 USD; you don't really have any other options to consistenly grind ITA air with.
The plane itself is not worth 35 USD in my humle opinion, but maybe it's ability to grind Italy is worth it to you.
@@WalvisYT yeah I don't think it's really worth that for me as well but there is 0 other options to work with. Also idk if you play ground but do you recommend the vrrc(I think it's called something liek that).
@@Harryaviationshots I dont know about the VRCC, sorry
@@WalvisYTwell I got the f104 and it's insane for grinding. Played 78 games and got 80 something kills and then 1 base a game. In those 78 games I've gained 2.3million sl and 300k+ rp.
Big brain play: Talisman the tree 104S when talismans are on sale instead. It will cost you quarter that for effectively the same plane with same grinding power...
The best playstyle for this plane is go little bit to the left, wait for the furball to form, then rush to furball, kill slow planes with guns, fire missiles on nonsuspecting enemies and just fly through the furball and run, once you are decently away from the furball turn and repeat
Also I really hope they fix this planes matchmaker, it used to be so good 😢
yea i loved it i had K/D 3 kills 1 death
It's crazy they're asking $70 for this. If you're willing to actually buy a top tier premium there's the mig-23ml which us absolutely cracked and you can use it to grind a tech tree that's actually worth the time. My 23ml has carried me all the way to my first mig-29 already, i absolutely love it. The r24r is great, you also got the r24t which you can do funny sneeki breeki shit with from high altitude. Pop the wings straight out and you can genuinely throw hands with most other jets you'll see. With a bit of skill and luck, you can even win against an f16 in a dogfight, I've pulled it off a few times.
I wonder what’s the BR for iPhone 4S? The YT auto caption never gets old
I buy premiums to grind when I don’t have a lot of planes so this is something I would consider if i didn’t have it in the US tech tree I’d rather buy a different jet
I love the dutch airforce skin in the beginning, ik moet alleen nog mijn ziel nog opgeven om daar ooit te komen 🇳🇱
I think u can still use the cannons with the radar missle, u can customize the preset.
Bro no watch video it’s IMPOSSIBLE game will remove aim7 if you take canon
Me who grinded out the 2 jap phantoms with the f104j: what do you mean this plane isn’t good? It’s a dream come true
Because us, italy and japanese main are used to suffer, and one below average thing for us it's a bless.
When i tried other nation it was like discovering a german beer after years of drinking bud light
with new sim br changes it's actually fun to play in asb, but i still don't think it's worth 70 usd.
realism and unrealism totally mix perfectly together
As a F104S/ASA player you correct on all points I have the load out where you can mount the Aspides because I got it before the patch made it impossible to mount and even then you have to play like rat and finding a new target before you die I hope they can do something for the F104s' so they can be fun again at Top tier but I don't they will nor know how too
this tactic also applies to the MiG-21's and other Delta Wing Fighters like the mirage
But how should i grind Italien then? I mean the problem is, there isnt another top tier premium for italy and i dont really wanna grind without an premium.
I am one of the fools who bought it early on after a shill said this was the fastest way to the F 16. The tactic you have employed I figured out three matches in to my ownership and have stuck to that since. Once out of ammo I then RTB ans swap to AA arming.
you know....when this plane come out(the TAF i mean)at 10.7 it was actually pretty decent and i really enjoyed it quite a lot. Unfortunately since its been moved up to 11.0 its unplayable since it has to face stuff like the F16,F14 and mig 29
Man i got this when it was at 10.7 and fighting complete f5 teams was so fun just spamming missiles and getting tons of kills now i run from mig 29s and f 16s where i literally can't do anything
gotta love a 1956 jet going against enemies with 2009 tech packages
F16A and F14? More like 1981 techs
@@lemangeur2poulet248most recent upgrade the the mig29smt was in 2009
@@Crispyy0_0 Oh yeah
Dude I didn't even know there was a Turkish jet! I'm totally buying this!!
Came back to this video after a bit and everything you said still holds true. It's actually worse now. Unfortunately it is now 11.3, almost always sees uptiers and can be matched with extremely potent radar missiles, Magic 2's and everything that you do not want anywhere near your plane. The only advantage it had was its speed but now most if not majority of the planes at its BR range can catch up to you. They sort of shat on this plane when they attempted a "decompression".. Can it still get kills? Yes, albeit unreliable for the average joe like me.
I just got the f104G today and boy did I have the worst time I’ve ever had in WT. Lost over 150K SL due to constantly dying of missiles which I just couldn’t do anything against (all aspect).
@@Mr.Tomato_God Haha mate, in just these 10 days they updated the flight model of F-104's in general again. Now they cannot turn at all. So you already could barely turn to either re-engage someone or dodge missiles albeit in a very low success chance.. But now with the newest update you cannot even do that. F-104's in higher BR's will be even worse now
@@Mr.Tomato_God my man the 104g has countermeasures, use them
solution to the starfighter problem, extend flaps fully, extend airbrakes and use afterburner
I get why that it’s at 11.0, and also don’t get why it’s at 11.0
This comment perfectly describes this plane lmfao
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If im being honest. I’m actually insane with the 104. Even in uptiers I usually get 3-4 kills because of how people are level 5 premium buyers
Heyy, im one of the 3 people in air sim!
F-104 premium I can go 1.18mach the mig-23ML that’s my cruising speed 😎
It's 10.3 in SIM, it destroy everthing at this br, it have 6 20G missiles, a decent radar, the best speed and a good gun
After using the F-104G, the F-104S is amazing. You get the same matchmaking, amd a better plane
İt is still my favorite airframe and my favorite plane
way better choice as Italy player, is to buy Aerfer Ariete at 9.3, insanely good jet.
I bought the F-104 because I was depressed, now I'm fast.
and depressed
They made this thing 10.7. I guess it is still not worth it. Maybe if they make it 10.3 it could be somewhat worth it?
i loved it so much pls make it 10.7 again :(
I bought the taf and up to this point iam not regretting it
But tbh, I wouldn’t have bought it if it wasn’t for the Turkish livery
At this point, a year later, take away the AIM-7E’s the Turkish 104 could never carry those because even tho they bought the AIM-7 capable version they never used them
On top give it the 9L,s and put it to 11.3
Even if the Normal 104s never carried them make that aircraft bearable
@@Gopnik57 It would not be more bearable at 11.3.
I just got the f104G today, it’s currently at Br 11.0, I went from the CL13B which is 9.0
Let’s just say that this thing is useless and throughout the whole session I lost over 150K SL due to getting about 6 kills in 50 games. I can’t describe how mad I am and how this br jump was the worst experience I’ve ever had
104 at that rating literally has nothing but disadvantages
Now that what i call a good player
my problem with the italian f104's is that their claim to fame is speed, and just about everything at the same or even slightly higher br, is faster than it
what's the name of the outro song you use? it's pretty boppin
Venture, from STRLGHT
@@WalvisYT thank you very much :x
I love the F104 A+C they’re my babies. Nothing is more fun than zooming around at 1300kph
well a year ago it was super op
got me through Italian tech tree in a week
should i buy this when it goes on sale italy is the last nation that i dont have rank 8 im at the sagittario but i dont to fly it at its br
For 30 USD, I think its alright. Its still not a great deal, but if Italy is your last tree and you just want to grind to the top, I also don't think its a terrible purchase either. Especially if you play sim.
It's a bad plane but if and when the snail chooses to bless you for some reason, you can wipe out half the lobby and end up 1st place. You can't do that in every plane.
To be honest, got this on sale. I love it so much! But at the end of the day, I am a massive Starfighter fan!
At 1:15 why does the subtitles it say iPhone 4
Which is worst, f104s at 11.0 or F1C at 11.3 ?
its sad to see how bad Italian vehicles are cuz the whole reason i grinded Italy were F-104s
Should be a 10.7 plane tbh.
Nah it isn't saddest premium cuz it has some good missiles, the saddest plane is Mig21S only 10G missiles and no flares
Can you bring a video that talk about the f4j(uk)
If it's possible
@@Ziosniperfire82 f4j is basically like the f104 but can turn a little better you fly in a straight line and shoot missiles at people
Most planes in War thunder aren't worth $70...... I still spent the money anyway (not on the F-104s)
Based
The f104a is bad at 9.3 because it gets perma uptier to 10+ so being at 11.0 is CRAZY