I could cry when looking at my like dislike ratio. I have so many jealous people that my videos always get way more dislikes than likes. Please don't be jealous, dear had
@@AxxLAfriku Went out of my way to dislike one of your vid's just for that comment. Feel free to do the same but just don't whine in other peoples comments...
LPL: "It's a simple disc detainer lock" Me: "He's about to pull out the pick that bosnianbill and he made" LPL: picks up tool Me: "What the hell is that?"
I can remember as a kid assembling these locks from kits available for the Ford dealer, the 90s were rife with car crime here in the UK and one of the most targeted were fords as all you really needed to do was put a screw driver into the lock and wrench the lock around, whilst my dad would be getting the door back into shape I'd be making the lock up to the existing key, from what I remember there were only 4 cuts of disc and was doing them that often I could just look at the key and know what number was needed. Think our best one was 10 minutes from the customer arriving to getting paid and them leaving.
Yes there was 4 degrees, 1 being a flat no cut and 4 being a full cut, 2 and 3 obviously just in between. You can read a key quite easily. The screw driver mistake was fixed by for quite easily because they realised the entire lock was turnable. You'd think they would've learnt but the new transits a few years back with the new key style had a lock that stuck out so you could just use mole grips to turn the entire lock. (I'm a Ford Employee)
The coolest thing about this lock picking tool is that not a lot of people would immediately recognize it as a lock picking tool. Traditional flat lock picks? Wave rakes? Dimple rakes? Those all look like obvious lock picks. This tool looks like a doo-dad or gew-gaw, and you could likely convince many cops it was for something like adjusting the timing on your Ukrainian snowmobile.
@@misterthegeoff9767 If you say so, I live in Cheshire, homeland of the man-in-a-van and never heard that, though in fairness I never thought to ask "Oi, mate, how's your locks?" I'd likely walk away with a 20mm spanner firmly lodged in my face.
Commercial companies tend to fit high security locks to vans. Jobbing builders rarely. Bloody Tibbe locks were a joke 30+ years ago - useless company, Ford
@@smorris12 I live jus outside London and even the jobbing builders have big aftermarket locks round here. Though most of the people who used to nick tools from vans seem to have moved on to using those tools to nick motorbikes these days instead.
LPL: "It features a disc detainer core." Me: "He's gonna say the thing!" LPL *Pulls out a different tool.* Me: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined." Side note, Spinny tool go whiiiirrrr
@@mrluwid172 no, had there been a ford logo on it despite not being made by ford it would be fake, but as long as they don't claim to be original parts they're copies, not fakes.
@@mrluwid172 It's an aftermarket, meant as a cheaper option to the official replacement part. Doesn't make it fake anymore than an aftermarket radio or speaker is fake.
Watching the rescuers down under with my kids and around minute 70 I just see a Master lock and in my mind "this is the lockpicking lawyer..." cheers from Italy :)
I’m the lock picking lawyer and today I’m at Fort Knox. With just a paper clip, a magnet and a lego figurine I’ll show you how all of this security is practically useless and even convince the guards to load the goods into my car for me. Anyway that’s all I have for you today. This man never ceases to amaze me
I'm curious about how the internals of these locks compare--what's the actual defect inside the 3rd party lock that makes it so much worse than the OEM?
@@nibs7252 That wouldn't be enough - you can still turn the disk past the gate and end at the stop. Feels to me, like instead of 2-step production of the disks. Normally - first create generic "blank" disks - without gates, but notches for stops and the keyhole (and optionally false gates), then assemble the stack of them on the key and cut the straight line of true gates to match this specific key. Here - the blanks are just plain featureless "washers" just with the keyhole, then placed on the key to have both the stops and the gates cut in one go. As result they all act like zero-cut.
@@sharpfang The production isn't even that complicated. The disks are mass produced, with different "stoops" for bitting just like the different size pins in pin tumbler locks. Then they pick a combination of them stack them in the lock with spacers between each and you are done. Some manufacturers don't bother with false gates when they make their key disks. That's it. It boils down to them not bothering and the tolerances they choose to manage to.
@@gtbarsi1103 If you're creating a couple hundred thousand locks of the same type (like a car manufacturer), sure. If you're making a run of a couple hundred to a couple thousand knock-offs - of a custom lock with keyway and disk shape only found in this model, like here - you won't obtain the bulk-produced original disks, you must make your own - and you start cutting corners.
When ever im in a pulic toilet i stop by an occupied stall, scrape the outside of the lock to make some convincing noise and then i whisper "3 is binding, little click out of 4"
Owned a 90s Ford once. Had one of these locks, and it was so damn worn that I once opened it with a flathead without breaking anything. Took a bit of wiggling, but still...they aren't the greatest locks once worn.
Random Guy: "I never seen a lock like that, better send to LPL" LPL: "I can understand, how this can look intimidating, but ...oh, it's already open..."
aaand I just got a lesson in how secure my bike lock is - I was passing time watching a few of these and decided to have a go at feeling out the combination of my bike lock, and opened it without looking while I watched this video. I'm so glad I'm only bothering with it as a bonus deterrent to stop people from stealing my unicycle.
My dad taught me to drive in a transit van when I was 8 years old. He also showed me how to open one of these locks with a snapped fork when I locked the keys inside the van
I worked as a mechanic in a Ford dealership in the early 90’s and every week we would have these locks easily forced open by thieves with a hammer and screw driver both door and ignition locks.
These locks were first seen on the transit connect The late 90s super duty door locks could be opened by jamming a screwdriver into them and turning the whole lock cylinder in the door handle, but they were a wafer style
@@USS_ESSEX_CV-9 Oops, that response was meant to go to a different comment where sombody noted that the picking tool used in this video was "a series of tubes, just like the internet". Don't know how my comment ended up in your thread, must thave clicked the wrong button...
If I recall correctly, you could easily lock just about any Ford vehicle with your Tibbe key back then, and if the locks were worn, opening was often possible as well. Simply not a good lock concept.
I came out of the shop and got into the wrong ford recently. Everything was so similar but something was odd until I realised it was a different vehicle. I had opened it with the key.
Gotta love Ford Transits... My dad used to have one that failed to start quite often... Tried to tow it a few times and failed miserably... Basically just needed a little push and it started right away...
Nice to see A very familiar looking lock, I’ve built hundreds of these locks to key numbers over the years as part of my job in the uk motor industry.. the keys are also dead easy to read off to obtain the key number of the vehicle provided it’s not too worn out. The later design locks are also just as easy to assemble to key and disassemble to decode to obtain the key number..
What an awesome looking tool! These kinds of locks seem to be the equivalent of "security by obscurity" in the IT world, people who don't know what they're looking for will be totally lost but once you know what you're looking at the illusion of security vanishes.
@@kUdtiHaEX He's talking about the lock, the Jaguar version of the Tibbe key had 8 positions instead of the 6 on the ford key. Still stupidly insecure, but at least my Jag is old enough it doesn't have Tibbe on the doors fortunately. My ford however has Tibbe everywhere, I wish I could do something about that. I'm probably going to install my own DIY additional immobiliser and tracker. I should probably make a couple of them...
Function over form. That thing has just the parts needed to operate it with no respect how nice it looks. The actual design requires very thin walled pipes that are probably steel. Imagine trying to put 6 metal pipes inside each other and the biggest pipe has *outer* diameter around 3 mm (~ 1/8 inch).
You don’t need to pick these locks a quick look at the key and you can instantly read the code. I’m an ex Ford UK technician and used to do it for fun on cars that came through the workshop. That said your skills are 2nd to none 👍 in any case that’s all I have for you today 😀
When he said the aftermarket lock was already picked, it felt like David Blaine revealing a magic trick on a picture in your wallet that you carry around.
As soon as i saw it i hoped you'd mention the jag version with 8 disc's, These locks were comical, the flex in the door panels was enough to move the whole lock and pull the bar and unlock or lock the vehicle with zero damage, Plus i got a worn tibbe key that with a little shake and rake opens most tibbe locks, I recall noticeing these locks on fords made in the uk from around 1990, Prior to that they used what i call a IO lock as it had a circular core with splines sticking out at the top and on the opposite side of the core, Would love to see you pick one of those, The normal attack for those was a flat head screwdriver, when they started using tibbe the tool of choice was a Philips screwdriver Before judging me i use all the bad i learnt to help people, done some things but at least now i can explain and help people avoid being a victim Frank Abagnale is a more extreme but perfect example of this
I can FINALLY understand what you were doing with the LPL-BosnianBill tool! All these years, i was always confused how it which you tensioned off of, and which directing you were turning to pick. I’m not a smart person haha.
Tradesmen: freaking out about leaving their tools in vans secured with this lock which requires a specialised tool to pick. Me, looking at the shitty wafer lock or cheap padlock on the site box: Righto lads
Ford Tibbe lock. Pros: Really easy to read the code of the lock even with bare eyes and order new key from online even if old one was lock. Easy to decode with Tibbe lockpick. Cheap. Cons: Easily picked open or forced open. When the keys and the lock wear out, it gets more harder to open even with real keys (and when making new keys, you cannot tell the difference between cuts anymore) Used in most of Ford vehicles from ~80s to ~2006. That aftermarket lock might have been manufactured in Turkey or in China, the good thing that whole set costs usually less than ~30-40 euros for most of the cars, bad thing is that as the aftermarket keys are not chipped, you will have to move the chip if possible or MacGyver your way with the immobilizer chip to override it or place it next to the reader permanently. Or make new keys with the chip installed for the new lock set. As for the "all Fords are stolen in 20 seconds" - jokes, proper immobilizers where introduced around 1994, so electrical knowledge how to bypass immobilizer was also required. Anyway, that tool is excellent and brilliant piece of engineering.
In my family, we had a '90 Ford Transit, with the exactly same keys. My sister bought a Mondeo around 2010. It happened that the Transit key opened the Mondeo, but couldn't start it, but the keys from the Mondeo had unlimited access to the Transit.
These ford locks are notorious in the UK as there were a limited number of combintions cut. This means that as Ford were the highest selling manufacturer by far here you could take your key to 3-5 cars and it would almost definately fit one of them. I got in a car identical to mine after visiting at a hospital and if it weere not for the owner haveing an imobilizer i would have driven it home. The owner never knew :)
@@sarkybugger5009 my 83 f150 was laughable. When I got it the ignition didn't even need a key. Not even a screwdriver or pocket knife. You could turn the switch by hand and start it. It had a non locking sliding glass window and I pretty much assumed it wouldn't get stolen because it looked like a hunk of scrap and didn't even lock the doors. Even if I wouldve anybody could've easily opened it and drove away.
@Shadow Cat Modern Engines are typically interference engine whether chain or belt driven. Ford has been dreadful when it comes to chain, guide, tensioner and phaser failure. A while ago a 2018 f-150 with 70,000kms came in with a failed tensioner. Prior to that a 2012, prior to that 2 2004’s with failed timing systems and I only operate a one man operation here. Nevermind what’s happening at other shops that I’ve heard.
Long time watcher, first time speaker. I wanted to know if it would be possible to pick more weird locks like these, but with a more as-cose-to standard pick and tension, where the challenge is higher. I've just felt that, while a specialized tool is extremely useful in specific situations, it is also very easy. I simply wanted a greater demonstration of your superior skills, and this is intended as a compliment, not a challenge.
They were targeting workers vans up my way a while back and two of the owners got over £10,000 of tools between them. One of the owners now parks his car against the vans back doors now.
I find these videos fascinating! I have never been interested in learning lock-picking... but now it reminds me of trying to solve a rubrics cube" I am seriously temped to get a beginners set just to see is I can figure it out.
nah, just how to get in it. Ford has used RFID immobilizers for over 20 years now so the car won't start with out a key that's been programed in to the car.
@@johngaltline9933 if you can get in you can get it away by other means, transits are vans so the contents are normally tools and just getting in is enough to give someone a real bad day.
@@masterv2041 You really have no idea how this works, do you? The key will turn the cylinder, but the car won't start. There is a coil that surrounds the cylinder that energizes a tiny microchip in the key body and reads a code from it. the computer won't let the car start if it is not given the correct key. Further the immobilizer will lock down the computer until the proper code is read from a key it has been programed to, so the engine will not run. This is 20+year old tech and has been standard on ford products since the late 90's.
My grandfather had a 1988 EU Ford Escort. He lived in a small town. Everything aligned to him ordering a new key at the Ford Dealership, at the same time he picked it up someone else also picked their similar key, at the same time. Staff was perplexed that both keys had the same combination. Both keys could open both car doors. Car security wasn't great in the 1980s and it seems things haven't improved greatly.
Ford locks were notoriously easy to open. Which made the prime targets for car thieves. In fact back in the 80s a British comedian Alexei Sayle mocked them in a comic song he wrote and sang.
Is it just me, or is LPL sound like he is getting bored? Is there no challenge left for him??? Someone please get the man a great lock to pick and gut!
He said "disc detainer" and I immediately thought "the tool that bosnian bill and I made" ... Not disappointed, I've never seen that tool before but it makes sense. Is there a video on picking disc detainer locks without the specialist tools?
@@righteousone1 1- call LPL an amateur at lockpicking (he’s making money of these TH-cam vids so regardless of his skill that makes him a professional) 2- call people who defend him fan girls to get a response 3- reply to a comment you don’t understand with “oy vey” to make you seem sophisticated. You sound like a broken record mate. Everyone sees you for what you are in a couple comments. Just stop the insults and watch some cute puppies or something to put you in a better mood
I worked at an auto auction with a Ford Account, had tons of those Vans come through, the shuttle Vans for the crews were Transit Vans. I also worked the Service Truck, Gas, jumps and unlocking the vehicles, I could get one of those vans open with a slim Jim on on the drivers door fairly quickly, of course not as fast as LPL.
One of the reasons Ford phased them out is because the keys actually need to be replaced every few years, when the plating on the key wears through it causes wear on the lock and you end up where you are stranded regardless of which key you use. This happened with our first Ford and of course we were miles from home and it cost us a fortune. New ignition lock and keys and a mobile locksmith is expensive, according to him the Ford dealers were supposed to notify purchasers to replace keys every couple of years. Of course the Tibbe was a step up from the previous keys locks that you could jiggle open with a coin (yes you didn't even have to insert anything to bounce the wafers around once the lock was about 18 months old.) At least the Tibbe was required for the immobiliser to function from the mid 90s (in the UK anyway) Coincidentally the locking mechanisms on the UK nuclear warheads in the 70s were apparently secured with same wafer locks as Ford used.
*video is almost 3 minutes* Wow! Must be a great lock! *Shows two locks, provides full tutorial, and lock actually takes 6 seconds to pick* I should have known...
When those locks came in over here in the UK it was because the prior locks Ford used were so dire a spam can key could open and operate just about anything and the new MK3 Escort was a major target for car thieves hence why they brought these in. Of course it didn't stop entry one bit as Ford used an archaic form of central locking that if you cut a tennis ball in half, slapped it over the lock hole and whapped it, the puff of air triggered the central locking. Ignition locks were a doddle too, cheap 50p "hammer thru" flat bladed screwdrivers and a small club hammer were the car thieves tool of choice, just hammered in the screwdriver and away you went.
![[578] Ford "Tibbe" Key Ignition Lock Picked and Decoded](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XctpLHwp3Y4/mqdefault.jpg)
![[578] Ford "Tibbe" Key Ignition Lock Picked and Decoded](/img/tr.png)
![[1267] Thank You, Lobster Lock](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KyJfHy5MT1g/mqdefault.jpg)
![[1350] Defeating a “Killer Key”](/img/n.gif)
Disc detainer? Specialized tool? Not the Tool Bosnian Bill and I made? Impossible!
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Egads! You don't say!
Exactly my reaction as well 😅
Was very disappointed but at least the other specialized tool look kinda weird so I guess I'm okay.
Absolutely blasphemous!
"We'll rotate all the discs as far clockwise as they will go, aaand it's open" xD
I could cry when looking at my like dislike ratio. I have so many jealous people that my videos always get way more dislikes than likes. Please don't be jealous, dear had
@@AxxLAfriku Went out of my way to dislike one of your vid's just for that comment. Feel free to do the same but just don't whine in other peoples comments...
„you are already picked“
@@RenaxTM91 you’ve been played. Axxl here begs for views in tons of comment sections and you’ve gone and given him one. Ignore him next time.
@@RenaxTM91 Dislikes count toward the TH-cam algorithm the same as likes.
LPL: "It's a simple disc detainer lock"
Me: "He's about to pull out the pick that bosnianbill and he made"
LPL: picks up tool
Me: "What the hell is that?"
"bonian" 😅😂
2:28 PM
3/13/2021
@@happyjohn1656 I think Bonian Bill is his Pornhub Handle.
@@happyjohn1656 thanks edited now ;)
@@darwinetti 😉
Think he should actually rename himself to your typo, sounds comedic :)
6:26 PM
3/13/2021
Your name is Ralph... Bonian?
"Disc detainer" oooooohh boy!!....oh its different
At least we got the "move them as clockwise as they go"
@@debashishkaushik6933 that is cold comfort
Somehow...this pick is more interesting than the LPL/BosBill pick, but just as satisfying. I love how you can see all the positions
@@debashishkaushik6933 "and it is already open."
I can remember as a kid assembling these locks from kits available for the Ford dealer, the 90s were rife with car crime here in the UK and one of the most targeted were fords as all you really needed to do was put a screw driver into the lock and wrench the lock around, whilst my dad would be getting the door back into shape I'd be making the lock up to the existing key, from what I remember there were only 4 cuts of disc and was doing them that often I could just look at the key and know what number was needed. Think our best one was 10 minutes from the customer arriving to getting paid and them leaving.
Yes there was 4 degrees, 1 being a flat no cut and 4 being a full cut, 2 and 3 obviously just in between.
You can read a key quite easily. The screw driver mistake was fixed by for quite easily because they realised the entire lock was turnable.
You'd think they would've learnt but the new transits a few years back with the new key style had a lock that stuck out so you could just use mole grips to turn the entire lock.
(I'm a Ford Employee)
CEO of Masterlock: Finally a lock that is easier to pick than our padlocks..
Director of Masterlock Automotive division: Uh sir...
CEO: Ah CRAP...
Someone has to make a comic book of all the masterlock comments under these videos...
@@2LucasKane3 thanks for volunteering. your idea is awesome and i cant wait to see your results.
"So in picking ths, there is no step two, this lock is already open." *OOf*
Big OOF
They probably have no false gates, so when you rotate then discs they will fall into the tru-gate with no need to feel around for it.
To be fair, he used a unique tool forged in the fires of Mount Doom to open it.
Aside from making these videos, do you offer your services and go out picking locks for people?
i dont think so.
I guess he used to be he didnt do it anymore
Only if you wear an eye mask that only allows you to see his hands.
@@yohannjohn2358 Yeah, it's Lockpicking Lawyer and not Lawyering Lockpicker ;)
hes a teacher he mastered it alrerady
The coolest thing about this lock picking tool is that not a lot of people would immediately recognize it as a lock picking tool.
Traditional flat lock picks? Wave rakes? Dimple rakes? Those all look like obvious lock picks.
This tool looks like a doo-dad or gew-gaw, and you could likely convince many cops it was for something like adjusting the timing on your Ukrainian snowmobile.
Ironically that was its primary function. It was only found out later that it could also be used to start the Ukrainian snowmobile.
I can practically hear a million builders sweating bullets.
Because nobody needs to pay them any more to leave the van unlocked overnight?
every builder ever to own a transit has fitted aftermarket locks. Ford locks have a well earned reputation for being laughable here in the UK.
@@misterthegeoff9767 If you say so, I live in Cheshire, homeland of the man-in-a-van and never heard that, though in fairness I never thought to ask "Oi, mate, how's your locks?" I'd likely walk away with a 20mm spanner firmly lodged in my face.
Commercial companies tend to fit high security locks to vans. Jobbing builders rarely.
Bloody Tibbe locks were a joke 30+ years ago - useless company, Ford
@@smorris12 I live jus outside London and even the jobbing builders have big aftermarket locks round here. Though most of the people who used to nick tools from vans seem to have moved on to using those tools to nick motorbikes these days instead.
Talk to your lock calmly if you ever get locked out
Because communication is the key
Was curious about your username so clicked on your channel. Your channel is a hidden gem
Love your channel bro
hahah
xd
This lock joke locked me out of the comments section
Me: “ i own an older ford”
LPL: “😂 not any more”
LPL: "It features a disc detainer core."
Me: "He's gonna say the thing!"
LPL *Pulls out a different tool.*
Me: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined."
Side note, Spinny tool go whiiiirrrr
Spinny tool only needed to go wh....
@@chrisl4999 😂
Almost a warthog of picks. Lol
I've never been particularly interested in locks but the shear knowledge and skill of the LPL keeps me coming back for more. Well done!
The fact that he got sent a fake and has the original lock is ridiculous, it's a fucking van lock.... 😂
It's not a fake, just not OEM
Bruh
@@mylairhasnoip if something isnt original, it's fake....
@@mrluwid172 no, had there been a ford logo on it despite not being made by ford it would be fake, but as long as they don't claim to be original parts they're copies, not fakes.
@@mrluwid172 It's an aftermarket, meant as a cheaper option to the official replacement part. Doesn't make it fake anymore than an aftermarket radio or speaker is fake.
Watching the rescuers down under with my kids and around minute 70 I just see a Master lock and in my mind "this is the lockpicking lawyer..." cheers from Italy :)
Lock: *exists*
LPL: you're already opened
Omae wa mou shindeiru
NANI?!?
"You have 3 seconds to remain locked."
"I pressed all the pins in your core. You will now rotate and open under my will"
@@tsomic didnt notice lol, thanks
I’m the lock picking lawyer and today I’m at Fort Knox. With just a paper clip, a magnet and a lego figurine I’ll show you how all of this security is practically useless and even convince the guards to load the goods into my car for me. Anyway that’s all I have for you today.
This man never ceases to amaze me
I'm curious about how the internals of these locks compare--what's the actual defect inside the 3rd party lock that makes it so much worse than the OEM?
No false gates in the aftermarket one.
@@nibs7252 That wouldn't be enough - you can still turn the disk past the gate and end at the stop. Feels to me, like instead of 2-step production of the disks. Normally - first create generic "blank" disks - without gates, but notches for stops and the keyhole (and optionally false gates), then assemble the stack of them on the key and cut the straight line of true gates to match this specific key. Here - the blanks are just plain featureless "washers" just with the keyhole, then placed on the key to have both the stops and the gates cut in one go. As result they all act like zero-cut.
@@sharpfang The production isn't even that complicated. The disks are mass produced, with different "stoops" for bitting just like the different size pins in pin tumbler locks. Then they pick a combination of them stack them in the lock with spacers between each and you are done. Some manufacturers don't bother with false gates when they make their key disks. That's it. It boils down to them not bothering and the tolerances they choose to manage to.
Would love to see him gut it.
@@gtbarsi1103 If you're creating a couple hundred thousand locks of the same type (like a car manufacturer), sure. If you're making a run of a couple hundred to a couple thousand knock-offs - of a custom lock with keyway and disk shape only found in this model, like here - you won't obtain the bulk-produced original disks, you must make your own - and you start cutting corners.
I've never picked a lock in my life, but I enjoy watching you do it!
LPL: "You are already open!"
Lock: "NANI"
ah, i see you're a man of culture as well^^
lol
お前はもう開けている
@@feralcatgirl yes
@@feralcatgirl *開いている
I bought a lock picking set today and managed to pick my first lock, whilst watching your videos 👍
When ever im in a pulic toilet i stop by an occupied stall, scrape the outside of the lock to make some convincing noise and then i whisper "3 is binding, little click out of 4"
As long as number 2 isn't binding.
@@thetable123 Number 2 is loose
I know it's 2 years old but thx for the chuckle.
Owned a 90s Ford once. Had one of these locks, and it was so damn worn that I once opened it with a flathead without breaking anything. Took a bit of wiggling, but still...they aren't the greatest locks once worn.
"There is no step 2"
"You are already -dead- open"
"NANI?"
Omae-wa, mo openru....
These videos are so legit I feel like I've been picking licks for 30 years after watching one.
Random Guy: "I never seen a lock like that, better send to LPL"
LPL: "I can understand, how this can look intimidating, but ...oh, it's already open..."
aaand I just got a lesson in how secure my bike lock is - I was passing time watching a few of these and decided to have a go at feeling out the combination of my bike lock, and opened it without looking while I watched this video.
I'm so glad I'm only bothering with it as a bonus deterrent to stop people from stealing my unicycle.
LPL: "I unlocked you 10 seconds ago"
Lock: "NANI?!"
My dad taught me to drive in a transit van when I was 8 years old. He also showed me how to open one of these locks with a snapped fork when I locked the keys inside the van
I worked as a mechanic in a Ford dealership in the early 90’s and every week we would have these locks easily forced open by thieves with a hammer and screw driver both door and ignition locks.
I don't remember seeing those type of locks being used in the 90's, not that kind of key anyways.
These locks were first seen on the transit connect
The late 90s super duty door locks could be opened by jamming a screwdriver into them and turning the whole lock cylinder in the door handle, but they were a wafer style
@@bgswor5763 the merkur scorpio was the first to bring them here in 1988-89
@@xalty1200 interesting, I don't think I've ever seen one of those where I am in Canada lol
They can be found on 80s Escort and Sierras. For some reason I still have one from a 1988 Sierra hanging on a spike in the garage.
Idk why but I find your videos so satisfying
Patiently waiting for the "and gutted" videos to come back.
He tries to gut locks but if it can't be done non-destructively and it's a lock that he doesn't want to destroy he won't gut it.
@@USS_ESSEX_CV-9 This lock is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck.
@@andreasu.3546 ?????
@@USS_ESSEX_CV-9 Oops, that response was meant to go to a different comment where sombody noted that the picking tool used in this video was "a series of tubes, just like the internet". Don't know how my comment ended up in your thread, must thave clicked the wrong button...
I’ve seen hundreds of your videos but this one is the most intriguing thing I’ve ever seen somehow lol
If I recall correctly, you could easily lock just about any Ford vehicle with your Tibbe key back then, and if the locks were worn, opening was often possible as well.
Simply not a good lock concept.
I came out of the shop and got into the wrong ford recently. Everything was so similar but something was odd until I realised it was a different vehicle. I had opened it with the key.
The locking every vehicle, was a known feature.
@@mjouwbuis "feature" 😂
I'd like to see a deep dive on the construction of that beautifully engineered tool!
Me too! The Cat is curious.!
"There is no step two."
_Cries in Steve Wallace_
There is no spoon
Better hunker down with a step 2 and drown your sorrows.
Gotta love Ford Transits... My dad used to have one that failed to start quite often... Tried to tow it a few times and failed miserably... Basically just needed a little push and it started right away...
LPL: "Trivially Easy"; Me: One day I will aspire to open such a fine piece of engineering"
Trivially easy *IF* you have that exotic tool.
Nice to see A very familiar looking lock, I’ve built hundreds of these locks to key numbers over the years as part of my job in the uk motor industry..
the keys are also dead easy to read off to obtain the key number of the vehicle provided it’s not too worn out.
The later design locks are also just as easy to assemble to key and disassemble to decode to obtain the key number..
"There is no step two. The lock is already open." has about the same type of energy of "I triggered it 35 minutes ago".
What an awesome looking tool! These kinds of locks seem to be the equivalent of "security by obscurity" in the IT world, people who don't know what they're looking for will be totally lost but once you know what you're looking at the illusion of security vanishes.
Side note: Get the 8 cylinder version for that nice Jaguar.
Yeah no six cylinder matches a sound of an eight cylinder.
Jag-waar
@@kUdtiHaEX He's talking about the lock, the Jaguar version of the Tibbe key had 8 positions instead of the 6 on the ford key.
Still stupidly insecure, but at least my Jag is old enough it doesn't have Tibbe on the doors fortunately. My ford however has Tibbe everywhere, I wish I could do something about that. I'm probably going to install my own DIY additional immobiliser and tracker. I should probably make a couple of them...
The content and wow you consistently fit into 2 minutes. Cheers to you
"picking this lock is trivial", pulls out a complex looking contraption.
The contraption isn't that complicated. It's just 6 rotating arms.
Function over form. That thing has just the parts needed to operate it with no respect how nice it looks. The actual design requires very thin walled pipes that are probably steel. Imagine trying to put 6 metal pipes inside each other and the biggest pipe has *outer* diameter around 3 mm (~ 1/8 inch).
You don’t need to pick these locks a quick look at the key and you can instantly read the code. I’m an ex Ford UK technician and used to do it for fun on cars that came through the workshop. That said your skills are 2nd to none 👍 in any case that’s all I have for you today 😀
When he said the aftermarket lock was already picked, it felt like David Blaine revealing a magic trick on a picture in your wallet that you carry around.
Making these kinds of lock picks must be really hard and precise.
"picking them open is trivial.l
*Pulls out crazy AF looking caterpillar tool"
WOW a lock that helps you to pick it. All the Locksmiths must be loving these locks.
At this rate, we’re not too far from him just saying the word “this is the lock picking lawyer” and the lock will just open up.
As soon as i saw it i hoped you'd mention the jag version with 8 disc's,
These locks were comical, the flex in the door panels was enough to move the whole lock and pull the bar and unlock or lock the vehicle with zero damage,
Plus i got a worn tibbe key that with a little shake and rake opens most tibbe locks,
I recall noticeing these locks on fords made in the uk from around 1990,
Prior to that they used what i call a IO lock as it had a circular core with splines sticking out at the top and on the opposite side of the core,
Would love to see you pick one of those,
The normal attack for those was a flat head screwdriver, when they started using tibbe the tool of choice was a Philips screwdriver
Before judging me i use all the bad i learnt to help people, done some things but at least now i can explain and help people avoid being a victim
Frank Abagnale is a more extreme but perfect example of this
We are getting close to see lpl open a lock just by standing there aggressively watching the lock
He probably already managed to do it, but since we never see his face, we would be able to show the process, so he opened the normal way in the video.
I can FINALLY understand what you were doing with the LPL-BosnianBill tool! All these years, i was always confused how it which you tensioned off of, and which directing you were turning to pick. I’m not a smart person haha.
Tradesmen: freaking out about leaving their tools in vans secured with this lock which requires a specialised tool to pick.
Me, looking at the shitty wafer lock or cheap padlock on the site box: Righto lads
Ford Tibbe lock.
Pros: Really easy to read the code of the lock even with bare eyes and order new key from online even if old one was lock. Easy to decode with Tibbe lockpick. Cheap.
Cons: Easily picked open or forced open. When the keys and the lock wear out, it gets more harder to open even with real keys (and when making new keys, you cannot tell the difference between cuts anymore)
Used in most of Ford vehicles from ~80s to ~2006. That aftermarket lock might have been manufactured in Turkey or in China, the good thing that whole set costs usually less than ~30-40 euros for most of the cars, bad thing is that as the aftermarket keys are not chipped, you will have to move the chip if possible or MacGyver your way with the immobilizer chip to override it or place it next to the reader permanently. Or make new keys with the chip installed for the new lock set. As for the "all Fords are stolen in 20 seconds" - jokes, proper immobilizers where introduced around 1994, so electrical knowledge how to bypass immobilizer was also required.
Anyway, that tool is excellent and brilliant piece of engineering.
I knew something was wrong when he said "specialized tool" and not the usual lol
In my family, we had a '90 Ford Transit, with the exactly same keys. My sister bought a Mondeo around 2010. It happened that the Transit key opened the Mondeo, but couldn't start it, but the keys from the Mondeo had unlimited access to the Transit.
1 minute ago first time I've caught one of these that early lol
... and still the lock was already picked?
@@notsonominal lol
@@notsonominal Lock was picked way before he made the video, lol. (That's how bad it was. Or before, the Edit, of the vid.)
These ford locks are notorious in the UK as there were a limited number of combintions cut. This means that as Ford were the highest selling manufacturer by far here you could take your key to 3-5 cars and it would almost definately fit one of them. I got in a car identical to mine after visiting at a hospital and if it weere not for the owner haveing an imobilizer i would have driven it home. The owner never knew :)
“… he ordered this replica of the holy grail. Luckily, I happen to have…”
I love this quality diversified content. Keep up the good work LPL
Q: What’s worse than these Ford van locks?
A: Ford timing chains.
Yeah. Yep yep yep yepperino.
The plastic intake on the 4.6 is up there too.
Q: What’s worse than these Ford van locks?
Older Ford Transit locks. You could open my 1979 Transit with _anything_ that would fit in the keyhole.
@@sarkybugger5009 my 83 f150 was laughable. When I got it the ignition didn't even need a key. Not even a screwdriver or pocket knife. You could turn the switch by hand and start it. It had a non locking sliding glass window and I pretty much assumed it wouldn't get stolen because it looked like a hunk of scrap and didn't even lock the doors. Even if I wouldve anybody could've easily opened it and drove away.
@Shadow Cat Modern Engines are typically interference engine whether chain or belt driven. Ford has been dreadful when it comes to chain, guide, tensioner and phaser failure. A while ago a 2018 f-150 with 70,000kms came in with a failed tensioner. Prior to that a 2012, prior to that 2 2004’s with failed timing systems and I only operate a one man operation here. Nevermind what’s happening at other shops that I’ve heard.
Long time watcher, first time speaker.
I wanted to know if it would be possible to pick more weird locks like these, but with a more as-cose-to standard pick and tension, where the challenge is higher. I've just felt that, while a specialized tool is extremely useful in specific situations, it is also very easy.
I simply wanted a greater demonstration of your superior skills, and this is intended as a compliment, not a challenge.
Not sure how you would tension a lock like this without a specialist tool. That's the problem.
@@jrd33 And that's fair, I was just curious.
man, lawyer, my van's got £5000 worth of tools in it and it has these crappy locks, don't tell the crooks, they're too dumb to realize :U
They were targeting workers vans up my way a while back and two of the owners got over £10,000 of tools between them. One of the owners now parks his car against the vans back doors now.
@@stuarts4673 they still got a side door. Though honestly debating whether putting an extra padlock deter criminals or make breaking in more enticing
@@dimitar4y Thats right, I wonder if he put a lock on the side door
Prolly has a _glass_ window or two, what?
Don't worry - destructive entry is still feasible.
Really cool to see a new tool introduced
I believe that special tool is the one that he and Serbian Sam made.
have you a link for that?
@@megafeendirk9616 No, because there is no Serbian Sam.
I meant to say Lesbian Lill. Or possibly Frenchman Frank or Eskimo Ike.
I find these videos fascinating!
I have never been interested in learning lock-picking... but now it reminds me of trying to solve a rubrics cube"
I am seriously temped to get a beginners set just to see is I can figure it out.
Alternative title: "How to get an older car for free"
nah, just how to get in it. Ford has used RFID immobilizers for over 20 years now so the car won't start with out a key that's been programed in to the car.
@@johngaltline9933 if you can get in you can get it away by other means, transits are vans so the contents are normally tools and just getting in is enough to give someone a real bad day.
@@johngaltline9933 Can I point out that the keys for these aren't RFID keys and these are ignition cylinders.
'Don't watch this if you're a car thief'
@@masterv2041 You really have no idea how this works, do you? The key will turn the cylinder, but the car won't start. There is a coil that surrounds the cylinder that energizes a tiny microchip in the key body and reads a code from it. the computer won't let the car start if it is not given the correct key. Further the immobilizer will lock down the computer until the proper code is read from a key it has been programed to, so the engine will not run. This is 20+year old tech and has been standard on ford products since the late 90's.
My grandfather had a 1988 EU Ford Escort. He lived in a small town. Everything aligned to him ordering a new key at the Ford Dealership, at the same time he picked it up someone else also picked their similar key, at the same time. Staff was perplexed that both keys had the same combination. Both keys could open both car doors. Car security wasn't great in the 1980s and it seems things haven't improved greatly.
Fun Fact: I’m watching this instead of doing homework
I should go do my homework
We are seeing the evolution of the electronic screwdriver. LPL The Doctor!
"This tool is pretty incredible. It uses a series of tubes...." So, it's like the Internet, then.
Damn. You beat me to that og intarwebs.
Damn... a shame I'm half a day late, I was going to make the same joke.
LPL: "with this tool-"
An Australian: "you mean a flat head screwdriver cobber"
Sure sign of a poor lock. "There is no step two. This lock is already open."
I love your videos so much. Informative, good for lock history and it respects my time.
Anyone else seen that Righteous guy comment abuse on every post, think hes a little butt hurt... 😂
Yep, he has been working his way through the comments going out of his way to be an ass.
Probably a designer for Master Lock.
He’s pissed about something, dunno why he has to bring it here tho
10 bucks says he's the locksmith that couldn't open that bike lock a viewer sent in...
What's his account name because I've seen several people who could fit that description
Ford locks were notoriously easy to open. Which made the prime targets for car thieves. In fact back in the 80s a British comedian Alexei Sayle mocked them in a comic song he wrote and sang.
Is it just me, or is LPL sound like he is getting bored? Is there no challenge left for him??? Someone please get the man a great lock to pick and gut!
All locks are vulnerable. Thanks LPL
He said "disc detainer" and I immediately thought "the tool that bosnian bill and I made" ... Not disappointed, I've never seen that tool before but it makes sense.
Is there a video on picking disc detainer locks without the specialist tools?
That tool looks like a miniature sci fi space station... absolutely insane design...
Let’s go!!!
This man is first
Couldnt help but read that in Jomboy's voice....
@@michaelirwin7258 😂Yup!!
I was looking for videos of the tibbe lock before you uploaded this
I dont think he needs to write 'picked' in every video's title cause its obvious.
Lol
It makes me laugh whenever I watch these videos, it's nearly 3 minutes long but he picks the locks in under a minute of video everytime
@@righteousone1 by amateur do you mean he lacks in skill or that he doesn't lock pick as a profession?
Gotta boost on the algorithm
@@righteousone1lemme correct ya, - lpl is 'a mateur'
@@righteousone1
1- call LPL an amateur at lockpicking (he’s making money of these TH-cam vids so regardless of his skill that makes him a professional)
2- call people who defend him fan girls to get a response
3- reply to a comment you don’t understand with “oy vey” to make you seem sophisticated.
You sound like a broken record mate. Everyone sees you for what you are in a couple comments. Just stop the insults and watch some cute puppies or something to put you in a better mood
I worked at an auto auction with a Ford Account, had tons of those Vans come through, the shuttle Vans for the crews were Transit Vans.
I also worked the Service Truck, Gas, jumps and unlocking the vehicles, I could get one of those vans open with a slim Jim on on the drivers door fairly quickly, of course not as fast as LPL.
I bet your actually the worlds greatest thief.
Became a lawyer just to make him a better thief.
Good thing he uses his power for good
@@cumunist2120 how do we honesty know?
@@charlesb.3569 I doubt he cares about being good because if he goes to prison you can guess what will happen
Why do you have such a soothing voice
everyone is first.
Me too? :o
One of the reasons Ford phased them out is because the keys actually need to be replaced every few years, when the plating on the key wears through it causes wear on the lock and you end up where you are stranded regardless of which key you use. This happened with our first Ford and of course we were miles from home and it cost us a fortune.
New ignition lock and keys and a mobile locksmith is expensive, according to him the Ford dealers were supposed to notify purchasers to replace keys every couple of years.
Of course the Tibbe was a step up from the previous keys locks that you could jiggle open with a coin (yes you didn't even have to insert anything to bounce the wafers around once the lock was about 18 months old.)
At least the Tibbe was required for the immobiliser to function from the mid 90s (in the UK anyway)
Coincidentally the locking mechanisms on the UK nuclear warheads in the 70s were apparently secured with same wafer locks as Ford used.
A channel dedicated to lockpicking, yet narrated by a man who has clearly never committed a crime
*video is almost 3 minutes*
Wow! Must be a great lock!
*Shows two locks, provides full tutorial, and lock actually takes 6 seconds to pick*
I should have known...
Transit vans are the absolute best vehicles.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this info & for my new Ford Transit van !!
Your collection must be incredible!
That is one of the coolest lockpicks I've seen, haven't seen many though
When those locks came in over here in the UK it was because the prior locks Ford used were so dire a spam can key could open and operate just about anything and the new MK3 Escort was a major target for car thieves hence why they brought these in. Of course it didn't stop entry one bit as Ford used an archaic form of central locking that if you cut a tennis ball in half, slapped it over the lock hole and whapped it, the puff of air triggered the central locking. Ignition locks were a doddle too, cheap 50p "hammer thru" flat bladed screwdrivers and a small club hammer were the car thieves tool of choice, just hammered in the screwdriver and away you went.
WE definitely got that open together. Good job everyone
"Disc detainer core"
*Excitement grows*
*Pulls out the pick*
"What the fuck is that"
So you basically opened the lock by rotating the discs as far clockwise as they will go.
Nice. I was wondering when that would happen.