*According to reports, the two Air Marshals were approved onboard the aircraft but the crew hadn't been notified. The Air Marshal shouldn't have shown his gun but his badge instead*
Something else to consider. What if other passengers had seen that, they could have interpreted that as a hijacking and tried to overpower him and that could have lead to shots being fired.
I'm going to hijack the comment to say that not only the flight attend, crew and captain did a good job, but also the tower. Because even after they said: "Yeah, they are marshals" the tower still said we'll have to check first, which is extremely smart.
Well, we know they didn't really think he was a hijacker, because, we know from 9-11, that they pretty much stand back and hand the plane over if they think they are.
@@ralphholiman7401 who???? air marshalls weren't on those planes and the pilots were fucken stabbed. shut the hell up you idiot.
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@@cdoesrcher I can use this salt to de-ice an entire plane fleet. Even Marshalls can lose control. People are encaged on a flying aluminum tube, travelling on high speed. It's not really a pleasure to know that you have another person with a weapon on a situation like that. The same if you're in a submarine, or whatever vehicle you can't escape "just like that". Even a badge can be fake.
Don’t get mad just because I’m right. We were told for years, that if there was a hi-jacking, to just let the stewardesses handle it. Well, we saw how well that worked out.
Yeah, the air marshal is upset that the flight attendant contacted the pilots because now he is going to be suspended or better yet fired for his unprofessional conduct.
When the cabin door locks and he realized the plane was diverting to the nearest airport, I'm pretty sure he knew what was about to happen to his career. The only way it could have been worse is if a fighter escort appeared.
I love how all the news outlets said they "mistakenly" cuffed an air marshal amazing how when you listen to this there was no mistake they cuffed him because he screwed up flashing a gun.
@Patriots Rising Holy shit bro chill out lmfao. Acting like im defending nazis or something. Literally just stating facts, do you not think an extensive investigation was done after this happened? Not hard to find out exactly who was on those planes.
The crew attendant did the right thing by telling the Captain. Safety first, and that idiot who showed his gun instead of his ID caused the problem not the attendant. The attendant did not know who he was, I think his ego was bigger than his gun and brain.
Plus, the pilot is technically the FAM's superior. They don't view it that way, but the captain is considered head of the executive power on board. He has the final say in security matters. All the FA did was tell the chief on board that "his" guard was acting strange. Absolutely the right call, especially as it was unclear if there even WERE marshalls on the flight (i.e. the man could be an imposter).
retrained for bulk fuel in the USMC :) I heard the lowest passing scores go to a job called bulk fuel. I think I remember reading something like failing the ASVAB test means the DoD does not believe a person's intellect allows them to be trainable for any job. I wish all the bottom feeders in the federal employee system can be transferred to bulk fuel where they can at least serve some purpose (dragging heavy hoses) or GTFO.
Pilot and crew responded exactly as they should. Some commenters either don't get it or didn't watch the video. FAMs keep their badges in a badge wallet, not on a belt clip located next to their gun, so that theory is out the window. As indicated by the pilot, his first officer is FSDO and knows that brandishing a firearm as identification is not SOP. Further, the FAM reportedly became agitated with the flight attendant for calling the cockpit. Even with confirmation that two FAMs were indeed onboard, this is still suspicious and erratic behavior. The pilot has to consider the safety of those onboard and on the ground. This was absolutely the right call.
showing your sidearm, and demanding to see the manifest....all the while not showing your badge, nor identifying yourself as a FAM, and becoming agitated with the attendant calling the capt being suspicious behavior is an understatement. totally unprofessional, and bordering on unethical behavior with grounds for at minimum lengthy suspension w/o pay, or even termination.
@@boatlover1875 well, im ignorant of typical protocols inwhich you just mentioned. but the story seems very off from get go. can a passenger demand to a flight attendant to see the passenger manifest ? i doubt it. so, it begs the question...why would the FAM act in such a unorthodox way ? we may never know. heck, it could be that the fella actually did use correct protocol via identifying himself, and maybe even showing his badge and federal ID....then proceeded to be a bit too demanding by asking for the manifest. the flight attendant got a bit annoyed/offended, coupled with being pro gun control, and then the drama is off to the races so to speak. no flight recordings of the conversations. no eye/ear witnesses saying anything, etc. would be interested in hearing his side of the story tho, b/c of being so odd, so off.
@@Gizziiusa As I said before, I don't think he acted properly assuming the flight crews narrative is true to fact. I flew more than 100 times armed while working for another federal agency. You fill out paperwork at the counter, fill out another form going through an alternative security line and depending on the airline you give a copy of your paperwork to the FA for him/her upon boarding with a copy for the flight deck, and many airlines also ask you to visit the cockpit with the pilots copy. The airline is also supposed to provide each armed person on board with a list of other armed individuals on board and their seat locations. If the FA did not know who he was already, somebody really screwed up. Again, this does not excuse his alleged behavior in any way.
I think that flight attendant caused this entire issue. Maybe his badge was next to his holstered weapon, and the weapon is ALL that attendant calculated and stopped any more thinking. This makes no REAL WORLD sense and everyone here knows that.
@@ramairgto72 If you ever seen the air marshal ID, it can not fit next to the gun. But there wad a mishap sonewhere, Captain should have known, about the air marshals on board and if they are carrying guns or any person carrying gun on his flight. Most likely they are connecting flight!
@@ramairgto72 not at all, can you imagine being a flight attendant and a passenger demands that they see a manifest for a single person and then flash a weapon. No, no, no, that does not fly and neither did that plane after that. Good job to the crew.
@@ramairgto72 clearly you don't understand the SOP and ethics as armed officer. You SHOULD concealed your firearm at all times. With or without purpose.
Just found this video, read the related news stories. Here is my two cents worth. Any law enforcement officer, whether your local beat cop, sheriff deputy, state police or federal officer from any agency derives their authority from their badge, not from their gun. Any LEO who is confused by the source of their authority should not be in that role. Your badge is the symbol of your authority, your gun is the tool by which you can exercise or abuse that authority.
Their authority isn't from a badge, which can be easily acquired from eBay, but from the credentials accompanying the badge after a sworn oath is secured. The authority is granted as a matter of great public trust, which was abrogated by the firearm blandishing idiot. Laughably, that job is one of the hardest jobs to get fired from. Well, until that day.
Quick correction: the First Officer is an FFDO (not FSDO)--Federal Flight Deck Officer, which is a commercial pilot trained as a federal law enforcement officer under the TSA. They're armed pilots and are akin to Air Marshals, with their jurisdiction being the aircraft itself.
@@JeffryJohnston- No, but authorized agents of the state have POWERS not granted to others. These powers are not "rights" in a personal, civil or constitutional sense. A state agent who uses his/her powers for personal advantage is abusing that power and may be committing a crime.
@Quack Quark I mean basically if someone asks you if you are an air marshal you should show them your badge, which only an air marshal would have, as opposed to your gun, which an air marshal or a lunatic might have
Smart pilot, all that he says over the radio is cemented in the record, no twisting the official record later or certainly making it harder. Also if your ever in a situation like this, make one written statement, take a photo of it with your cell phone and when asked to repeat what happened only refer to the first written statement, no deviation or they pounce.
A former brother police officer I worked with left and became a FAM. He thought it would be exciting to be an Air Marshall carrying Federal credentials. It didn’t take long for him to learn that a FAM is the most boring uneventful job out of all the Federal Govt. law enforcement agencies. This guy’s actions were totally inappropriate and the flight crew handled it in a very professional manner.
Security on planes is of the utmost importance. I’ve been a cabin cleaner for a few years now and u have to have a certain type of clearance to get a SIDA badge and then there’s another clearance just to be able to board the plane to clean it. The FAMs are supposed alert the cockpit crew who in turn alert the FAs. He knew better. And then to get angry at the FA just for doing her job? She felt as though the passengers and crew were in danger the way he handled it. She did not only the right thing to ensure everyone’s safety but it exposes to the FAA who they have boarding their aircraft. Hats off to the whole crew and ATC for handling this effectively and professionally. It goes to show that sometimes those irritating delays aren’t always just to piss the customers off.
This Captain and flight crew should be training crews on how to handle and emergency. No panic just doing the job. Outstanding. The crewman that reported it should get a bonus as should all of the crew on that plane. The captain runs a tight ship. Well done by all including the Tower
Brickyard 3531 sounded young, and betrayed his youth with experience and outstanding professionalism. Props, brother. Friendly skies are always preferable.
Now go look at the news reports on this. That gives you just a glimpse of how completely unreliable news reporters are. Some even start out talking about the attendant "freaking out because she saw a gun", then further down reveal they actually have the entire story, but still they decided to frame it this way. Others say police "mistakenly" remove an air marshal. Just garbage.
They're not going to smear the cops or air marshals, once people figure out it's all security theater (see reports of how often TSA actually passes their inspections for proof) and not actual security they'll demand that the TSA and air marshals no longer be a thing and they clearly don't want that.
"I told her I was a fuckin air marshal, she looked at me like I was crazy... she new I was for real when I showed her my gun" "Yeah Rick about that...."
‘We didn’t know we had FAMs on board’, don’t they have to make the flight crew aware of the presence and don’t the flight crew seat the Air Marshal? So for 2 to be on board and to flash a gun not a badge? I’d have called ATC too
I used to fly armed all the time (Federal LE) and I never received training which included displaying a firearm as a form of identification while flying lol. Badge/Creds and UFAN
You have to be a FEDERAL LAW enforcement officer (LEO) as you said and know that only Federal LEO'S may carry weapons on board. I am an FAA trained and certified Airline Ground Security Coordinator. I am contacted if an armed FEDERAL LEO is booked on a flight. I am required to check credentials and introduce him to the pilot in command and the head flight attendant. So many protocols were broken and ignored by a FEDERAL LEO who knows the rules and regulations but chose to ignore them. Honestly, it's scary and possibly a very dangerous situation. He is done in any type law enforcement occupation and could very well be sentenced to jail time in addition to being terminated. He may also be ordered by a FEDERAL judge to undergo a psychological examination based on his actions.
Because the terrs go somewhere else. Just that passengers swarm people who scare them is quite a deterrent. Instead the terrs go shoot up a school or bomb a mall.
Both the underwear and shoe bomber were stopped by the passengers. If some guy gets bright ideas, the passengers will stop them, it's not a new concept.
@rgtrooper13 dickhead is one word. But I'm sure you had plenty of time for that extra spacebar you unemployed arse. Of all the things to freaking complain about.
As a former FA it's not unusual for working FAMs to not disclose their presence, but it is uncommon. The whole gun instead of badge thing, yeah..... Was this the FAM that was stalking his ex-wife, or am I thinking of something else?
Interesting. I knew a FAM and he was fired for pointing his duty weapon at a man and his elderly father at a Newark airport. He was arrested and fired later. He joined a DC govt sub agency and was fired from there as well for having an illegal assault weapon. He was reinstated and was fired again for falsifying paperwork. Cruddy agency but a more cruddy person. He was someone who had police tattooed on his butt because no one would believe he was every smart enough to earn a badge. I am sure other FAMs may know who I am speaking of.
I looked up some articles about this, and to the surprise of I presume absolutely nobody, TSA blamed to flight attendant that she 'failed to recognize that armed individual is an air marshal'.
Honestly... the guy asked to see the manifest and showed a gun in his holster. If those clues weren't enough, it's quite a simple matter to ask for the badge. What's the other explanation? A crazy man is playing 'air marshal', and can somehow get a gun through security, but doesn't know that air marshals have a badge? Duh. Forehead smack. Duh.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 You are missing the point. Having an armed agent on board who is willing to use his gun as a negotiating tool would alarm any Captain I am sure. Badge revealed or not.
You still have to follow the rules, you cant showoff guns. The correct way was to show badge identifying himself, and asking for the captain permission to take a look at the manifest.
One of the key points of air marshals is to make sure the passengers do not know who you are. No cop, agent, nor marshal is ever permitted to brandish or threaten anyone with their gun, unless an emergency situation is occurring. If identifying yourself, you show your badge. This isn't Hollywood, and I hope that flight attendant sued for the FAM's misconduct and threats. I sincerely hope that not only were the marshals removed from the air marshal force, but also banned from any law enforcement duty. You do not threaten anyone with a gun ever. Guns are for an officer's protection and ability to subdue a criminal. They are never for threatening and massaging egos, nor are they for terrorizing citizens.
Great coordination between pilot, controllers and emergency services. Get the plane on the ground and in a secure place, then sort out the mess. Just because a guy is an air marshal doesn't mean he hasn't gone off the deep end. First priority is to keep everyone safe. Listen to these guys - so calm and professional and keeping each other informed. Just another "yawn" day at the office.
The flight attendant shouldn't have called the flight deck to report him displaying his weapon? What kind of training did that guy have? In such a situation, informing the flight deck is standard procedure and the attendant has *NO* discretion. Informing the flight deck is mandatory. Had he displayed his badge, the attendant would have discretion. Displaying a deadly weapon removes that discretion.
@Patriots Rising Only air marshals and other authorized law enforcement officers are allowed to carry firearms onto a commercial airline. All law enforcement personnel have badges. Heck, even security guards (rent a cops) have badges.
@@kellyrayburn4093 Yeah, and he would have a badge that identified him as an Air Marshall. In a perfect scenario, he would display his badge to her, nothing else. Then she would likely inform the cockpit of an FAM onboard, Badge Number Such-and-Such. They would confirm that he was who he said he was, inform the Attendant, and she would then allow him access to the manifest. Instead, he tried to skip most of those steps to prove he was legit because he had a pistol, as only FAMs are authorized to have firearms, and idiotically didn't realize how threatening this would seem.
@@TimThomason I agree. Display his badge allow her to take the badge number to relay to the cockpit to confirm. Once confirmed, give him access to the manifest. Just displaying the weapon without the badge is idiocy cubed.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and bet that 99.99% of people who ask about the manifest and have a gun in their holster are air marshals. If the stewardess wasn't sure from all the clues, she could easily ask for his badge, before going nuclear. This incident has idiots everywhere you look.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I'm sorry, but displaying a firearm for *ANY* reason other than absolutely necessary defense of life is unacceptable. He should have shown her his badge so she could relay the badge number to the flight deck for them to confirm. Once they have confirmed that this is an on duty FAM in the performance of his duty, they can give him access to the manifest. The fact that he displayed his firearm before he displayed his badge is a direct violation of Standard Operating Procedure and is grounds to declare an emergency. The flight attendant did absolutely *NOTHING* wrong here. Had she not informed the flight deck of this person displaying his firearm, she would have been derelict in her duty. That is a termination offense.
"How dare you call the pilots and complain about my actions!" has the same energy as "Don't be a tattle tale, I can break the rules if I want!". Kindergarten attitude, smh...
@@ChicagoMel23 Most police are sad losers who can't get a real job. Statistically it's the worst job for attracting mentally and emotionally unstable trash
@@mikaelgaiason688 That's a cool opinion. Let me know who you're going to call next time you come home to your house being robbed. And don't say you will defend yourself, since I know you're one of those anti-gun freaks.
@@CloudyNimitz My house has been broken into. Cops didn't do shit. Had a crazy ex once that stole my rifle, which was a family heirloom, and take it across state lines. Cops didn't do shit. They're useless losers that do nothing for society except daylight roadside robbery. Ive defended myself plenty of times. Didn't grow up in your secluded protected world. And I'm not anti-gun. I'm anti-stupid-scared-pussies-with-guns
As a retired armored truck guy I have dealt with various law enforcement types who think they are hot stuff. I can have an ATM open, and they think they can approach me and show their badges and everything is OK. WRONG! I told one to shove his badge somewhere and another to get a refund on his toy badge from Walmart. They did not need to approach. Their behavior was unprofessional.
When the people you trust to keep your flight safe and secure do the exact absolute opposite of that........ Hope he loses his job for that. A keeper of the peace who reaches first for his tool of war when there is no immediate threat to the lives of others should not be a keeper of the peace.
The FBI called the incident miscommunication. The above video stated it was not SOP to show a weapon instead of a badge. I've seen nothing to suggest the Air Marshall is suspended .
I can imagine the presumptuous guy just showing his gun hidden somewhere in his clothes... Trying to impress the lady... And after a few minutes getting mad realizing that he screwed it up
Air Marshal: "oh shit I can't find my badge!, I'm gonna get into so much trouble if I don't see this manifest.." Also Air Marshal : "I know I can show my gun instead, that will prove i'm a Air Marshal and not a hijacker...." *Air Marshal ends up in much worse trouble for breaking protocol, intimidating cabin crew and causing the emergency grounding of the flight*
The flight attendant did the right thing, upon being confronted by an armed individual on a passenger flight, the flight attended informed the pilots that an individual with a gun was on-board was making demands and revealing the gun (this could easily be interpreted as an implied threat of violence against the flight attendant and/or other crew/passengers). The pilots responded appropriately by securing the cockpit and informing authorities on the ground, keeping the cockpit secure until authorities on the ground could confirm the incident had been resolved. The behaviour of the Air Marshal seemed to be ignorant of the responsibilities of the other parties involved with air security procedures. I suspect this Air Marshal needs to be retrained to instill an awareness of the roles and responsibilities of flight attendants and pilots in air security, to avoid initiating a chain of events similar to the one depicted in this video, in which the actions of the Air Marshal cause the crew of this airliner to respond using their established procedures for dealing with a possible hostile threat to the plane and those aboard it. The Air Marshal should probably also be informed that showing a gun to people going about their usual business in their place of work is, inherently, an extremely threatening action and should be avoided in other locations as well, such as while returning items at a department store, or demanding more whipped cream on a fancy coffee at the coffee shop. Based on this individual's apparent indignation at being treated as a threat by the air crew, I'm not certain the Air Marshal is already aware of this.
exactly, this isn't Texas, this is Minnesota. You do that here, we won't say anything about it, but we'll be really uncomfortable and passive aggressive.
Will Oliver not re-educated, the Air Marshal should be fired on the spot because of his conduct. This where interpreted as an attempted hi jack by the pilot because they have most likely squatted 7500 due to the tower asking them to switch the transponder from on to either their original signal or standby
Actually, it sounds more like the stewardess has issues. It would have been so simple to ask for the badge... and instead she called a SWAT team on the guy, without even asking for it. What a nutcase.
FAM'S have a reputation of being overbearing, rude and condescending. Thier job is to protect the cockpit...period. Discretion is paramount and he broke many protocols with his attitude and actions.
Secret Squirrel as no one else was transmitting on that freq, I guess they were assigned a dedicated frequency for exactly that purpose, so they could relay details of the (possible) emergency without blocking the freq for anyone else
@@MrLikeke It was good that he explained the whole situation on frequency, it helped law enforcement on the ground understand exactly what was going on
The flight crew acted correctly. Even if the Marshall ID'd himself correctly with the badge. Them not being notified that marshals were on board is an issue that needed to be reported to the Captain & passed on to their OPs at the very least. Showing of the gun is forbidden PERIOD, except if they have to pull it on a suspect. I think the Marshals got on the flight to capture a suspect getting on at a mid route stop and they didn't show (or couldn't ID him/her) and the guy was upset over that. but very unprofessional either way and to be honest considering how minor things get regular passengers slapped with the Federal Crime of disturbing an aircraft these guys should of as well.
@@Awsome17203 Ride alongs are not notified ahead of time. those are there for airplane security in case something happens. If they are there for ANY other official reason, especially if armed. they do have to notify the captain. To be clear. The marshals don't tell the captain. TSA security will do that when the marshall comes through security When they ID themselves and state their reasons. That said each airline has their own set of procedures on this.
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This could have turned into a disaster. The Air Marshal was armed and stupid and the flight officer was approved with United Airlines to be armed. Hope the Air Marshal gets reprimanded since he walked up to the flight attendant, flashed his gun, and demanded to see the manifest.
"According to the incident report, a flight attendant told investigators she was sitting in the front gallery when a passenger approached and, "demanded to see the passenger manifest. After telling him no, she said the passenger responded by saying, "didn't they tell you me and my partner (redacted) were on board? When the flight attendant asked for his credentials, she says he said "how about this for credentials," and then lifted up his shirt to reveal a handgun." Same Flight: "The flight attendant told investigators one of the air marshals got out of his seat to check his bag in the overhead compartments while the plane was still taxiing down the runway. When she instructed him to sit down, the report states the air marshal refused to listen. The marshal retrieved his Federal Air Marshal badge from his bag and showed it to the flight attendant." - KSTP December 4, 2018 [We're from the Federal Government and we're here to help you...]
@Flat FLSTF Go try that with a police officer idiot. Police: "Hey are if you say you're an FBI agent, please show us your badge" Flat FLSTF: Lifts up his shirt to show his gun. Police: Immediately tackle him, if not shoot him first. You really are a special one aren't you bud?
I'm here on behalf of the internet idiots awards committee. We understand that there's a winner here. Thanks s g, looks like you found the perfect candidate.
@@notafanboy250 - I agree. How about those 19/20 year old kids flying bombers over Germany with a crew of 10; they did a great job with very little training. Age is no guide to wisdom.
MSP is actually a nice place to visit. There are so many pianos to play! There's an excellent Kawai in the baggage claim, a street piano at the Nicollette tram stop, and a Schubert museium in town at which one can actually play a bunch of pianos and organs, some of which have actually been played by Listz and Brahms themselves!
Sounds like the flight crew did exactly what they should have done. Air Marshals are suppose to be secret. If the guy really is and air marshal, he should be fired.
@MLU8811 Not being a FAM anymore and being fired are ENTIRELY different, Just promoting him away, protecting their own. Public dishonourable discharge is what is required. That man should never work again, and be thankful he wasn't brained.
Absolutely the right call. Just because someone tells you they are air Marshall does not mean that they really are, accompanying the unusual behaviour of showing their guns.
Welcome to FAMs trainining, day one. Now before we get started, the first thing you should know is never to display your firearm to anyone onboard any aircraft.
Gun barrel was longer than his willy. Great job to the FA for alerting the Captain and flight crew for diverting. On board ANY aircraft the PILOT IS GOD. He is the one responsible for every life onboard his aircraft. Awesome job captain. You are the HERO for your quick thinking and actions getting your flight on the ground safely. Shout out to ATC controllers for their fast actions of clearing traffic out of Republic Airlines way for a faster landing. Now since this happened in the air, it is a Federal matter which means a Federal prosecutor will decide if if it goes to Federal Court. I say yes, fire him and prosecute him and charge him $50.000.00 in fines and fees. Let him be the poster child of what a FAM does not do on an airliner. AWESOME job to the entire FLIGHT CREW...... Y'ALL ROCK!
transcript: it's "FFDO". The FO is a Federal Flight Deck Officer, someone ironically in this case, trained and certified by the FAM program to carry firearms on the flight deck.
Tower....Brickyard 3531... Uh..Two intoxicated passengers seated in the rear of aircraft have choked out the Air Marshals. Advice police...potential issue is neutralized and aircraft is secure.
Back in 2002 I was accepted to FAM training(down in AZ IIRC at that time) after having interviewed out in NJ of all places and was set to go when they pulled the guaranteed "home" assignment(home airport). The remaining options were NOT an option to me so I passed. I've been in several three letter agencies since and was prior military SOF as well. I still know a couple of the guys I've met through the years and can say with a fairly high level of confidence that the guy flashing his "ack ack" will be soon looking for a job in a small town where the only "gun" he'll be flashing to unsuspecting civies will be his radar gun while eating boxes of Good-n-Plenty from his speed trap. Yeah...he's D-O-N-E. No question...
I hope so, its just a pity they didn't have him dragged off and arrested for it. The fact he was upset with the flight attendant shows he knew he'd fucked up.
It seems the two marshals were handcuffed by local police and released after questioning. www.aeroinside.com/item/11959/republic-e170-near-minneapolis-on-aug-20th-2018-unruly-air-marshal
Thank you - this now I would hope, "ex-agent" was everything you do NOT want on board an aircraft! What a Barney Fife!!!!!!! Well actually he'll be lucky if they give him an unloaded weapon, and one bullet he has to keep in a buttoned pocket (ala Barney Fife)!
I agree with the flight the FAM showing a firearm is suspicious and also threatening, no doubt illegal since it is against SOP for FS. Showing the badge would have been correct.
It's hard to know when a person who comments on TH-cam is right or wrong, (this page in particular has lots of contradictory comments) but at 7:54 the pilot actually says he didn't know he had FAMs on board. That's a crucial piece of information that we can probably believe is true at least some of the time. I was under the impression from a book that I read 30 years ago that FAMs actually met the flight crew before take-off in special secure areas of the terminal so that the flight crew would know from personally seeing them who is carrying the weapons. But now we know that some flight crews do not see the FAMs in advance. That's surprising and interesting. I presume that the events of 9/11 in 2001 precipitated many changes to the FAM process.
Air Marshals are meant to operate anonymously: a) it allows them to discreetly observe passengers and crew, and b) It doesn't make them a target if there is a criminal or terrorist on the flight. Brandishing your weapon only serves to undermine the Air Marshal's job and cause confusion amongst uninformed members of the flight crew and passengers who would naturally be concerned about anyone having a firearm on a plane. I hope this Air Marshal received a needed performance review and re-training for his brash decision to show-off his gun instead of his ID & Badge.
...nope. He brandished his gun as authority. Hopefully he is blacklisted from ever handling a gun outside a range again, forget about being an air marshal.
Well, I don't know the whole story, but it COULD BE that air marshals did not 'show' guns deliberately, rather flight attendant got frightened when he\she saw it. Perhaps, ID tag was on a belt, near the gun. Normally, a gun attracts view more than even a shiny badge. Maybe the gun was hidden under the shoulder, and while the AM was picking his inner pocket to pop the badge, the gun showed up. In that case, it takes seconds for a flight attendant to report gun holder on board and a week for gun holder to explain oneself.
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*According to reports, the two Air Marshals were approved onboard the aircraft but the crew hadn't been notified. The Air Marshal shouldn't have shown his gun but his badge instead*
Sounds like the air marshal had a bad attitude.
Using your firearm as your identification is proof you shouldn't have that firearm.
@@ncc74656m exactly. Any fool with a gun could flash it and claim to be an "air marshal".
Something else to consider. What if other passengers had seen that, they could have interpreted that as a hijacking and tried to overpower him and that could have lead to shots being fired.
So in the video they wanted to find someone but decided to cause distress to that poor flight attendant
"Hey. I'm an air marshal. I can prove it. Here's my gun." - Former Air Marshal.
I'm going to hijack the comment to say that not only the flight attend, crew and captain did a good job, but also the tower. Because even after they said: "Yeah, they are marshals" the tower still said we'll have to check first, which is extremely smart.
Well, we know they didn't really think he was a hijacker, because, we know from 9-11, that they pretty much stand back and hand the plane over if they think they are.
@@ralphholiman7401 who???? air marshalls weren't on those planes and the pilots were fucken stabbed. shut the hell up you idiot.
@@cdoesrcher I can use this salt to de-ice an entire plane fleet.
Even Marshalls can lose control.
People are encaged on a flying aluminum tube, travelling on high speed. It's not really a pleasure to know that you have another person with a weapon on a situation like that.
The same if you're in a submarine, or whatever vehicle you can't escape "just like that".
Even a badge can be fake.
Don’t get mad just because I’m right. We were told for years, that if there was a hi-jacking, to just let the stewardesses handle it. Well, we saw how well that worked out.
Yeah, the air marshal is upset that the flight attendant contacted the pilots because now he is going to be suspended or better yet fired for his unprofessional conduct.
Exactly, he fucked up, and was trying to cover his own ass and realised its too late.
When the cabin door locks and he realized the plane was diverting to the nearest airport, I'm pretty sure he knew what was about to happen to his career. The only way it could have been worse is if a fighter escort appeared.
He should be charged with something as an example. What he did is way out of line.
@@rsrt6910 They didn't divert. MSP was the intended destination.
Brian Boorman I don't believe that could be true. It would mean that people actually wanted to go there.
The captain was smart about this; he relayed the events to ATC. Now it's all documented so the air marshals can't make up a BS story.
The Pilot can still lie on Radio...
That does not disprove the version of these Air Marshals.
@@mamneo2 Pilots don't have a long history of lying on record, cops do...
mamneo2 There’s also the flight deck recording
mamneo2 oh and don’t forget the black box recording
@@mamneo2 Voice and data recorders, though... those NEVER lie
I love how all the news outlets said they "mistakenly" cuffed an air marshal amazing how when you listen to this there was no mistake they cuffed him because he screwed up flashing a gun.
@Patriots Rising Its as if there were no air marshals on those flights? Its been stated many times
@Patriots Rising Holy shit bro chill out lmfao. Acting like im defending nazis or something. Literally just stating facts, do you not think an extensive investigation was done after this happened? Not hard to find out exactly who was on those planes.
@Patriots Rising the sheer amount of insanity you're erupting is impressive
@Patriots Rising Words cannot express how unintelligent you seem
@@MrPizack be patient with him, he has the 'tism
The crew attendant did the right thing by telling the Captain. Safety first, and that idiot who showed his gun instead of his ID caused the problem not the attendant. The attendant did not know who he was, I think his ego was bigger than his gun and brain.
Plus, the pilot is technically the FAM's superior. They don't view it that way, but the captain is considered head of the executive power on board. He has the final say in security matters. All the FA did was tell the chief on board that "his" guard was acting strange. Absolutely the right call, especially as it was unclear if there even WERE marshalls on the flight (i.e. the man could be an imposter).
Since when did porn have dialogue?
I'll have to investigate this.
Thoroughly, I imagine.
** I agree, he was a total idiot.
retrained for bulk fuel in the USMC :) I heard the lowest passing scores go to a job called bulk fuel. I think I remember reading something like failing the ASVAB test means the DoD does not believe a person's intellect allows them to be trainable for any job. I wish all the bottom feeders in the federal employee system can be transferred to bulk fuel where they can at least serve some purpose (dragging heavy hoses) or GTFO.
“Don’t do anything you wouldn’t want reported to the flight deck,” is generally a good rule of thumb when you’re on a plane.
@MrCloudseeker offloading visibly intoxicated people is standard SOP
@Patriots Rising ...looks like we found the alcoholic...
Pilot and crew responded exactly as they should. Some commenters either don't get it or didn't watch the video. FAMs keep their badges in a badge wallet, not on a belt clip located next to their gun, so that theory is out the window. As indicated by the pilot, his first officer is FSDO and knows that brandishing a firearm as identification is not SOP. Further, the FAM reportedly became agitated with the flight attendant for calling the cockpit. Even with confirmation that two FAMs were indeed onboard, this is still suspicious and erratic behavior. The pilot has to consider the safety of those onboard and on the ground. This was absolutely the right call.
My only question is why would someone be an FFDO (not FSDO) and not be armed? Why bother. Otherwise, they did a great job.
showing your sidearm, and demanding to see the manifest....all the while not showing your badge, nor identifying yourself as a FAM, and becoming agitated with the attendant calling the capt being suspicious behavior is an understatement. totally unprofessional, and bordering on unethical behavior with grounds for at minimum lengthy suspension w/o pay, or even termination.
@@Gizziiusa The flight crew is supposed to be notified of all armed individuals on a flight. Still sounds unprofessional to me.
@@boatlover1875 well, im ignorant of typical protocols inwhich you just mentioned. but the story seems very off from get go. can a passenger demand to a flight attendant to see the passenger manifest ? i doubt it. so, it begs the question...why would the FAM act in such a unorthodox way ?
we may never know.
heck, it could be that the fella actually did use correct protocol via identifying himself, and maybe even showing his badge and federal ID....then proceeded to be a bit too demanding by asking for the manifest. the flight attendant got a bit annoyed/offended, coupled with being pro gun control, and then the drama is off to the races so to speak.
no flight recordings of the conversations. no eye/ear witnesses saying anything, etc.
would be interested in hearing his side of the story tho, b/c of being so odd, so off.
@@Gizziiusa As I said before, I don't think he acted properly assuming the flight crews narrative is true to fact. I flew more than 100 times armed while working for another federal agency. You fill out paperwork at the counter, fill out another form going through an alternative security line and depending on the airline you give a copy of your paperwork to the FA for him/her upon boarding with a copy for the flight deck, and many airlines also ask you to visit the cockpit with the pilots copy. The airline is also supposed to provide each armed person on board with a list of other armed individuals on board and their seat locations. If the FA did not know who he was already, somebody really screwed up. Again, this does not excuse his alleged behavior in any way.
FAM: “Don’t worry, I’m an air Marshall”
Flight Attendant: “Lol not anymore”
@TylOOOr D not any longer.Bringing disgrace to one's organization in a public trust position if lethal to one's career.
Wow. That poor flight attendant must have been scared to death. What an outstanding job by the pilot and crew. Well done Captain !!
I think that flight attendant caused this entire issue.
Maybe his badge was next to his holstered weapon, and the weapon is ALL that attendant calculated and stopped any more thinking.
This makes no REAL WORLD sense and everyone here knows that.
@@ramairgto72 If you ever seen the air marshal ID, it can not fit next to the gun. But there wad a mishap sonewhere, Captain should have known, about the air marshals on board and if they are carrying guns or any person carrying gun on his flight. Most likely they are connecting flight!
@@ramairgto72 not at all, can you imagine being a flight attendant and a passenger demands that they see a manifest for a single person and then flash a weapon. No, no, no, that does not fly and neither did that plane after that. Good job to the crew.
@@anbooba Since it was an ERJ160 aircraft it was probably a regional airline contracted by United.
@@ramairgto72 clearly you don't understand the SOP and ethics as armed officer. You SHOULD concealed your firearm at all times. With or without purpose.
Just found this video, read the related news stories. Here is my two cents worth. Any law enforcement officer, whether your local beat cop, sheriff deputy, state police or federal officer from any agency derives their authority from their badge, not from their gun. Any LEO who is confused by the source of their authority should not be in that role. Your badge is the symbol of your authority, your gun is the tool by which you can exercise or abuse that authority.
well said
Wise man
@@norfolksouthernrailworks1543 toot toot
Their authority isn't from a badge, which can be easily acquired from eBay, but from the credentials accompanying the badge after a sworn oath is secured.
The authority is granted as a matter of great public trust, which was abrogated by the firearm blandishing idiot.
Laughably, that job is one of the hardest jobs to get fired from. Well, until that day.
Amen.
"I think I need to stop coming to Minneapolis" hahaha
Tower didn't know how to respond to that. :D
Or stop flying for United,... or both :P
Stay outta New York. The people and the city are Shit Buckets and PooPoo mouths,
There is NO reason to go to that shit hole
that was classic...I love that
Quick correction: the First Officer is an FFDO (not FSDO)--Federal Flight Deck Officer, which is a commercial pilot trained as a federal law enforcement officer under the TSA. They're armed pilots and are akin to Air Marshals, with their jurisdiction being the aircraft itself.
Being upset with the flight attendant for calling the cabin is like a crook being upset you called the cops after he robbed you.
I tip my hat to the flight crew for being so cautious about the whole situation. What a mess.
badges don't grant extra rights
@@JeffryJohnston- No, but authorized agents of the state have POWERS not granted to others. These powers are not "rights" in a personal, civil or constitutional sense. A state agent who uses his/her powers for personal advantage is abusing that power and may be committing a crime.
huh? whatever you say Osama
@Quack Quark I mean basically if someone asks you if you are an air marshal you should show them your badge, which only an air marshal would have, as opposed to your gun, which an air marshal or a lunatic might have
@@algrayson8965 a federal agent abusing any of his/her power is subject to public execution, his/her family as well
This is one of the clearest communications I have heard. I could understand every word.
Sure this will make it to the FAM training academy as what not to do.
Lol
I'm sure it already is.
Umm... what?
Air marshals don't wear uniforms.
Half the crap your saying doesn't make sense whatsoever.
"Half the crap"? It's wall to wall nonsense that Levine appears to believe demonstrates his wisdom.
GunNtonic A big 10-4 on that one.
The pilot in commands authority is above all others when airborne,he got it right.
Smart pilot, all that he says over the radio is cemented in the record, no twisting the official record later or certainly making it harder. Also if your ever in a situation like this, make one written statement, take a photo of it with your cell phone and when asked to repeat what happened only refer to the first written statement, no deviation or they pounce.
Pilot DEFINITELY did the right thing. No doubt whatsoever. That marshal is terminated for sure.
@@LegendLength no
@@LegendLength That really doesnt matter. If the FA didnt see the badge then hes just some nut with a gun on a commercial flight.
Nope
he most likely kept his job. no one die. the fed gov dont even fire you when you shot a women holding a baby
@@LegendLength his gun was next to his badge, and his dick was next to his gun. See where I'm going with this?
A former brother police officer I worked with left and became a FAM. He thought it would be exciting to be an Air Marshall carrying Federal credentials. It didn’t take long for him to learn that a FAM is the most boring uneventful job out of all the Federal Govt. law enforcement agencies. This guy’s actions were totally inappropriate and the flight crew handled it in a very professional manner.
Liar.
Security on planes is of the utmost importance. I’ve been a cabin cleaner for a few years now and u have to have a certain type of clearance to get a SIDA badge and then there’s another clearance just to be able to board the plane to clean it. The FAMs are supposed alert the cockpit crew who in turn alert the FAs. He knew better. And then to get angry at the FA just for doing her job? She felt as though the passengers and crew were in danger the way he handled it. She did not only the right thing to ensure everyone’s safety but it exposes to the FAA who they have boarding their aircraft. Hats off to the whole crew and ATC for handling this effectively and professionally. It goes to show that sometimes those irritating delays aren’t always just to piss the customers off.
This Captain and flight crew should be training crews on how to handle and emergency. No panic just doing the job. Outstanding. The crewman that reported it should get a bonus as should all of the crew on that plane. The captain runs a tight ship. Well done by all including the Tower
Brickyard 3531 sounded young, and betrayed his youth with experience and outstanding professionalism. Props, brother. Friendly skies are always preferable.
You just assumed age and gender . . . You MONSTER!
Now go look at the news reports on this. That gives you just a glimpse of how completely unreliable news reporters are. Some even start out talking about the attendant "freaking out because she saw a gun", then further down reveal they actually have the entire story, but still they decided to frame it this way. Others say police "mistakenly" remove an air marshal. Just garbage.
thats main stream media for ya
They're not going to smear the cops or air marshals, once people figure out it's all security theater (see reports of how often TSA actually passes their inspections for proof) and not actual security they'll demand that the TSA and air marshals no longer be a thing and they clearly don't want that.
"I told her I was a fuckin air marshal, she looked at me like I was crazy... she new I was for real when I showed her my gun"
"Yeah Rick about that...."
“Badges! We don’t need no stinking badges!!!” - Former Air Marshal
‘We didn’t know we had FAMs on board’, don’t they have to make the flight crew aware of the presence and don’t the flight crew seat the Air Marshal? So for 2 to be on board and to flash a gun not a badge? I’d have called ATC too
No, they don't seat the air marshal, but they are to be informed that armed agents are aboard, just like any other potential hazards to the aircraft.
I used to fly armed all the time (Federal LE) and I never received training which included displaying a firearm as a form of identification while flying lol. Badge/Creds and UFAN
You have to be a FEDERAL LAW enforcement officer (LEO) as you said and know that only Federal LEO'S may carry weapons on board. I am an FAA trained and certified Airline Ground Security Coordinator. I am contacted if an armed FEDERAL LEO is booked on a flight. I am required to check credentials and introduce him to the pilot in command and the head flight attendant. So many protocols were broken and ignored by a FEDERAL LEO who knows the rules and regulations but chose to ignore them.
Honestly, it's scary and possibly a very dangerous situation. He is done in any type law enforcement occupation and could very well be sentenced to jail time in addition to being terminated. He may also be ordered by a FEDERAL judge to undergo a psychological examination based on his actions.
Air Marshals: They cost millions of dollars and have yet to arrest a single terrorist.
Because the terrs go somewhere else. Just that passengers swarm people who scare them is quite a deterrent. Instead the terrs go shoot up a school or bomb a mall.
Both the underwear and shoe bomber were stopped by the passengers. If some guy gets bright ideas, the passengers will stop them, it's not a new concept.
@@jetfrostgaming after flight 93, yeah, the passengers will not sit quietly and wait to die.
@@glasstuna Indeed friend, I'd raise a freaking butter knife like Braveheart if I had to! ;D
@rgtrooper13 dickhead is one word. But I'm sure you had plenty of time for that extra spacebar you unemployed arse. Of all the things to freaking complain about.
"Badge? What's that?"
"But here, let me show you my cool gun!"
"We don't need no stinkin badges"
As a former FA it's not unusual for working FAMs to not disclose their presence, but it is uncommon. The whole gun instead of badge thing, yeah..... Was this the FAM that was stalking his ex-wife, or am I thinking of something else?
Interesting. I knew a FAM and he was fired for pointing his duty weapon at a man and his elderly father at a Newark airport. He was arrested and fired later. He joined a DC govt sub agency and was fired from there as well for having an illegal assault weapon. He was reinstated and was fired again for falsifying paperwork. Cruddy agency but a more cruddy person. He was someone who had police tattooed on his butt because no one would believe he was every smart enough to earn a badge. I am sure other FAMs may know who I am speaking of.
I looked up some articles about this, and to the surprise of I presume absolutely nobody, TSA blamed to flight attendant that she 'failed to recognize that armed individual is an air marshal'.
Thanks, now I don't have to look it up
Honestly... the guy asked to see the manifest and showed a gun in his holster. If those clues weren't enough, it's quite a simple matter to ask for the badge. What's the other explanation? A crazy man is playing 'air marshal', and can somehow get a gun through security, but doesn't know that air marshals have a badge?
Duh. Forehead smack. Duh.
"SHUTUP, sir"
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 You are missing the point. Having an armed agent on board who is willing to use his gun as a negotiating tool would alarm any Captain I am sure. Badge revealed or not.
You still have to follow the rules, you cant showoff guns.
The correct way was to show badge identifying himself, and asking for the captain permission to take a look at the manifest.
I chuckles at "nothing more memorable then this" and pilot like OH i don't know "last time i came here it was a medical emergancy"
Haha yeah, he had some bad luck with Minneapolis!
As a kid my family would call it Minnehopelis not Minneapolis. Then Again I grew up on the St. Paul side of the river of the twin citys.
At first I read that as "Many hopeless", lol
LOL
Jonathan Bair You grew up there and don't know it is written as twin cities?
I really hope that air marshal loses his job for that behavior.
They rode off into the sunset on their emotional support horses...
😅😅
katie_incredible same.
A federal employee? Ha! He’ll probably be promoted.
macmedic892 it’s against their procedure to pull out a gun during a flight. They can be fired for it.
Wait. *What behavior?* FOR DOING HIS JOB??!
One of the key points of air marshals is to make sure the passengers do not know who you are. No cop, agent, nor marshal is ever permitted to brandish or threaten anyone with their gun, unless an emergency situation is occurring. If identifying yourself, you show your badge. This isn't Hollywood, and I hope that flight attendant sued for the FAM's misconduct and threats. I sincerely hope that not only were the marshals removed from the air marshal force, but also banned from any law enforcement duty. You do not threaten anyone with a gun ever. Guns are for an officer's protection and ability to subdue a criminal. They are never for threatening and massaging egos, nor are they for terrorizing citizens.
Great coordination between pilot, controllers and emergency services. Get the plane on the ground and in a secure place, then sort out the mess. Just because a guy is an air marshal doesn't mean he hasn't gone off the deep end. First priority is to keep everyone safe. Listen to these guys - so calm and professional and keeping each other informed. Just another "yawn" day at the office.
What a cowboy...should lose his job for being so unprofessional.
The flight attendant shouldn't have called the flight deck to report him displaying his weapon? What kind of training did that guy have? In such a situation, informing the flight deck is standard procedure and the attendant has *NO* discretion. Informing the flight deck is mandatory. Had he displayed his badge, the attendant would have discretion. Displaying a deadly weapon removes that discretion.
@Patriots Rising Only air marshals and other authorized law enforcement officers are allowed to carry firearms onto a commercial airline. All law enforcement personnel have badges. Heck, even security guards (rent a cops) have badges.
@@kellyrayburn4093 Yeah, and he would have a badge that identified him as an Air Marshall. In a perfect scenario, he would display his badge to her, nothing else. Then she would likely inform the cockpit of an FAM onboard, Badge Number Such-and-Such. They would confirm that he was who he said he was, inform the Attendant, and she would then allow him access to the manifest.
Instead, he tried to skip most of those steps to prove he was legit because he had a pistol, as only FAMs are authorized to have firearms, and idiotically didn't realize how threatening this would seem.
@@TimThomason I agree. Display his badge allow her to take the badge number to relay to the cockpit to confirm. Once confirmed, give him access to the manifest. Just displaying the weapon without the badge is idiocy cubed.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and bet that 99.99% of people who ask about the manifest and have a gun in their holster are air marshals. If the stewardess wasn't sure from all the clues, she could easily ask for his badge, before going nuclear. This incident has idiots everywhere you look.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I'm sorry, but displaying a firearm for *ANY* reason other than absolutely necessary defense of life is unacceptable. He should have shown her his badge so she could relay the badge number to the flight deck for them to confirm. Once they have confirmed that this is an on duty FAM in the performance of his duty, they can give him access to the manifest. The fact that he displayed his firearm before he displayed his badge is a direct violation of Standard Operating Procedure and is grounds to declare an emergency. The flight attendant did absolutely *NOTHING* wrong here. Had she not informed the flight deck of this person displaying his firearm, she would have been derelict in her duty. That is a termination offense.
"How dare you call the pilots and complain about my actions!" has the same energy as "Don't be a tattle tale, I can break the rules if I want!". Kindergarten attitude, smh...
No it isn’t “typical”. Most police are decent people
*cop attitude
@@ChicagoMel23 Most police are sad losers who can't get a real job. Statistically it's the worst job for attracting mentally and emotionally unstable trash
@@mikaelgaiason688 That's a cool opinion. Let me know who you're going to call next time you come home to your house being robbed. And don't say you will defend yourself, since I know you're one of those anti-gun freaks.
@@CloudyNimitz My house has been broken into. Cops didn't do shit. Had a crazy ex once that stole my rifle, which was a family heirloom, and take it across state lines. Cops didn't do shit. They're useless losers that do nothing for society except daylight roadside robbery.
Ive defended myself plenty of times. Didn't grow up in your secluded protected world. And I'm not anti-gun. I'm anti-stupid-scared-pussies-with-guns
Sounds like an out of control unpredictable narcissist. Should be heavily fined, stripped of his badge and never allowed in a flight again.
Whisper : "im an air marshall and I want to look at the manifest...do you want to see my badge?
...or if you dont like your job...whip out your gun.
"We don't need no stinkin badges"
@@vikingbase lmao
As a retired armored truck guy I have dealt with various law enforcement types who think they are hot stuff. I can have an ATM open, and they think they can approach me and show their badges and everything is OK. WRONG! I told one to shove his badge somewhere and another to get a refund on his toy badge from Walmart. They did not need to approach. Their behavior was unprofessional.
Round of applause for the crew. What a mess of a situation
I really appreciate the professionalism of the pilots and atc wow great job guys thank you for making our flying experience safe and enjoyable
Thank God for highly trained professionals - air crew, that is!
When the people you trust to keep your flight safe and secure do the exact absolute opposite of that........
Hope he loses his job for that. A keeper of the peace who reaches first for his tool of war when there is no immediate threat to the lives of others should not be a keeper of the peace.
Calyo Delphi thats no tool of war you idiot
Tool of freedom
@@victorsantillan2276 Yeah, sure. That's a soup-eating tool.
Paweł Pluta i eat with my glock 17. Whats wromg with that
I think you're the idiot if you think a firearm is not a tool of war.
Incredible job by the pilots, arc and crew at handling the situation smoothly and professionally.
Great rapport between RPA3531 and the Tower. Great catch, VASAviation!
The FBI called the incident miscommunication. The above video stated it was not SOP to show a weapon instead of a badge. I've seen nothing to suggest the Air Marshall is suspended .
Franken HateGooPlus this is pretty great, they’re both calm and collected and sound like they enjoy what they’re doing.
imagine breaking into someones house and showing them your gun to calm them down
I can imagine the presumptuous guy just showing his gun hidden somewhere in his clothes... Trying to impress the lady... And after a few minutes getting mad realizing that he screwed it up
The best example of better to be safe than sorry, I've ever seen.
Air Marshal: "oh shit I can't find my badge!, I'm gonna get into so much trouble if I don't see this manifest.."
Also Air Marshal : "I know I can show my gun instead, that will prove i'm a Air Marshal and not a hijacker...."
*Air Marshal ends up in much worse trouble for breaking protocol, intimidating cabin crew and causing the emergency grounding of the flight*
The badge don't mean shit anyway. He has to show his creds.
*“When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power... like God must feel when he's holding a gun!”*
lol
Safety is the number one priority, even if it causes delays! Flight attendant did a good call on that
The flight attendant did the right thing, upon being confronted by an armed individual on a passenger flight, the flight attended informed the pilots that an individual with a gun was on-board was making demands and revealing the gun (this could easily be interpreted as an implied threat of violence against the flight attendant and/or other crew/passengers). The pilots responded appropriately by securing the cockpit and informing authorities on the ground, keeping the cockpit secure until authorities on the ground could confirm the incident had been resolved. The behaviour of the Air Marshal seemed to be ignorant of the responsibilities of the other parties involved with air security procedures.
I suspect this Air Marshal needs to be retrained to instill an awareness of the roles and responsibilities of flight attendants and pilots in air security, to avoid initiating a chain of events similar to the one depicted in this video, in which the actions of the Air Marshal cause the crew of this airliner to respond using their established procedures for dealing with a possible hostile threat to the plane and those aboard it.
The Air Marshal should probably also be informed that showing a gun to people going about their usual business in their place of work is, inherently, an extremely threatening action and should be avoided in other locations as well, such as while returning items at a department store, or demanding more whipped cream on a fancy coffee at the coffee shop.
Based on this individual's apparent indignation at being treated as a threat by the air crew, I'm not certain the Air Marshal is already aware of this.
exactly, this isn't Texas, this is Minnesota. You do that here, we won't say anything about it, but we'll be really uncomfortable and passive aggressive.
the cockpit is ALWAYS secured. Been that way since 9/11.
@Scot Rule do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
Will Oliver not re-educated, the Air Marshal should be fired on the spot because of his conduct. This where interpreted as an attempted hi jack by the pilot because they have most likely squatted 7500 due to the tower asking them to switch the transponder from on to either their original signal or standby
What is your definition of "confronted"? What demands were made?
Sounds like the air marshal got into a fight with a passenger and wanted to lookup their name on the manifest
Nothing at all scary bout that!
That's great, the people hired to protect passengers are prone to having 'control issues'
Actually, it sounds more like the stewardess has issues. It would have been so simple to ask for the badge... and instead she called a SWAT team on the guy, without even asking for it. What a nutcase.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I take it you're a trumptard...
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 you are low
FAM'S have a reputation of being overbearing, rude and condescending. Thier job is to protect the cockpit...period. Discretion is paramount and he broke many protocols with his attitude and actions.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 That's wrong. She followed procedure. He did not. Her actions were appropriately correct.
"Sir, we're gonna need you to calm down"
C. Av “what you mean, you people?”
"I AM CALM!!!" xD
Sir, u just said "BOMB" on an airplane!
"We don't need no stinkin badges"
😅😂😂😂😂😂
*You gotta chill FAM*
Get out
Lmao
@@Kay_213_ chill *FAM*
😒
@@PointlessGunSyncs youre dumb n young
the dictionary definition of utmost professionalism. and that pilot deserves a month off...and a beer from the excellent airport bars at MSP!
The pilot was too wordy on freq. Exuberant even.
Secret Squirrel as no one else was transmitting on that freq, I guess they were assigned a dedicated frequency for exactly that purpose, so they could relay details of the (possible) emergency without blocking the freq for anyone else
@@MrLikeke It was good that he explained the whole situation on frequency, it helped law enforcement on the ground understand exactly what was going on
The flight crew acted correctly. Even if the Marshall ID'd himself correctly with the badge. Them not being notified that marshals were on board is an issue that needed to be reported to the Captain & passed on to their OPs at the very least. Showing of the gun is forbidden PERIOD, except if they have to pull it on a suspect. I think the Marshals got on the flight to capture a suspect getting on at a mid route stop and they didn't show (or couldn't ID him/her) and the guy was upset over that. but very unprofessional either way and to be honest considering how minor things get regular passengers slapped with the Federal Crime of disturbing an aircraft these guys should of as well.
Air Marshals are on planes anonymously so the crew is never notified unless something serious occurs
@@Awsome17203 Ride alongs are not notified ahead of time. those are there for airplane security in case something happens. If they are there for ANY other official reason, especially if armed. they do have to notify the captain.
To be clear. The marshals don't tell the captain. TSA security will do that when the marshall comes through security When they ID themselves and state their reasons. That said each airline has their own set of procedures on this.
"I think I need to stop coming to Minneapolis" haha
This channel is brilliant mate, I love listening to the, sometimes bizarre, and fascinating ATC conversations from everywhere...... I'm on the edge of my seat during the tense emergency procedures that go on every single day and I'm in awe of the dedicated, calm, professional people both in the ATC"s and the cockpits.
Obviously being an Englishman, I'm always proud of the cool, calm and collected attitude and professionalism of our Airlines. 🇬🇧🇬🇧✌✌
I hope that air marshal is severely disciplined. Totally out of line showing his gun.
I bet it had to do with a cute flight attendant
@@111himan he showed her the wrong gun.
It was the only gun he had longer than 4 inches.
Hopefully, fired....
Nope
"Ill go ahead and put the parking brake on" i now imagine theres a lever right next to the throttles that you yank up to engage the brakes
There is.
No small talk...they are focused! A very good thing!
This could have turned into a disaster. The Air Marshal was armed and stupid and the flight officer was approved with United Airlines to be armed. Hope the Air Marshal gets reprimanded since he walked up to the flight attendant, flashed his gun, and demanded to see the manifest.
Didn't say he "flashed" his gun, only that she saw it.
Al Grayson -- “he showed”.
Must of been a rookie, as a retired federal officer you never flash your weapon to anyone that’s why you have Credentials.
I guess you can say Brickyard and United were offering a *non-stop* service between Newark and Minneapolis.
Air Marshal watched too many Hollywood movies and thought real life was like in the movies: just slow gun and you get the respect
"According to the incident report, a flight attendant told investigators she was sitting in the front gallery when a passenger approached and, "demanded to see the passenger manifest. After telling him no, she said the passenger responded by saying, "didn't they tell you me and my partner (redacted) were on board?
When the flight attendant asked for his credentials, she says he said "how about this for credentials," and then lifted up his shirt to reveal a handgun."
Same Flight: "The flight attendant told investigators one of the air marshals got out of his seat to check his bag in the overhead compartments while the plane was still taxiing down the runway. When she instructed him to sit down, the report states the air marshal refused to listen. The marshal retrieved his Federal Air Marshal badge from his bag and showed it to the flight attendant." - KSTP December 4, 2018
[We're from the Federal Government and we're here to help you...]
I really hope he is a mall security officer now.
@Flat FLSTF don't worry, you won't ever be a Marshall, they don't hire highschool drop outs.
@Flat FLSTF Go try that with a police officer idiot.
Police: "Hey are if you say you're an FBI agent, please show us your badge"
Flat FLSTF: Lifts up his shirt to show his gun.
Police: Immediately tackle him, if not shoot him first.
You really are a special one aren't you bud?
FAM's and TSA: capturing no terrorist since 9/11/2001.......
I'm here on behalf of the internet idiots awards committee. We understand that there's a winner here. Thanks s g, looks like you found the perfect candidate.
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
"A hospital? What is it?"
"It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now."
"Nervous?"
"Yes very."
"First time?"
"No, I've been nervous lots of times."
Robert Woko, Looks like i
picked the wrong day to quit watching VASAviation videos
And *don't* call me Shirley.
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
The pilot sounds very young but he did a great job. Very thorough.
It's cute that you think age matters in this job.
Age is often an indicator of how experienced a pilot is and experience definitely matters in this job.
@Chicha 17- There's a truck driver shortage. Now 80 year old drivers who retired at 70 are going back to work.
Wow. Jackass comment of the year
@@notafanboy250 - I agree. How about those 19/20 year old kids flying bombers over Germany with a crew of 10; they did a great job with very little training. Age is no guide to wisdom.
MSP is actually a nice place to visit. There are so many pianos to play! There's an excellent Kawai in the baggage claim, a street piano at the Nicollette tram stop, and a Schubert museium in town at which one can actually play a bunch of pianos and organs, some of which have actually been played by Listz and Brahms themselves!
All the random things I'm learning from TH-cam comments... Thanks 😃👍
I'm a Sun Country Mechanic, I was taxing our plane when this happened
Sounds like the flight crew did exactly what they should have done. Air Marshals are suppose to be secret. If the guy really is and air marshal, he should be fired.
He wasn't
@MLU8811 Not being a FAM anymore and being fired are ENTIRELY different, Just promoting him away, protecting their own. Public dishonourable discharge is what is required. That man should never work again, and be thankful he wasn't brained.
No need to show the gun. Should be dismissed immediately with prejudice.
Was not
Absolutely the right call. Just because someone tells you they are air Marshall does not mean that they really are, accompanying the unusual behaviour of showing their guns.
I'm just glad they didn't have box cutters!
He probably just got a new Ruger 57 and is so exited he can't stop messing with it.
Welcome to FAMs trainining, day one. Now before we get started, the first thing you should know is never to display your firearm to anyone onboard any aircraft.
Gun barrel was longer than his willy.
Great job to the FA for alerting the Captain and flight crew for diverting.
On board ANY aircraft the PILOT IS GOD.
He is the one responsible for every life onboard his aircraft.
Awesome job captain.
You are the HERO for your quick thinking and actions
getting your flight on the ground safely.
Shout out to ATC controllers for their fast actions of clearing traffic
out of Republic Airlines way for a faster landing.
Now since this happened in the air, it is a Federal matter which means
a Federal prosecutor will decide if if it goes to Federal Court.
I say yes, fire him and prosecute him and charge him $50.000.00 in fines and fees.
Let him be the poster child of what a FAM does not do on an airliner.
AWESOME job to the entire FLIGHT CREW...... Y'ALL ROCK!
Wow. I’ve heard approximately 3,236 of these. I’m still amazed at the professionalism of the whole crew. Everyone should get substantial raises.
transcript: it's "FFDO". The FO is a Federal Flight Deck Officer, someone ironically in this case, trained and certified by the FAM program to carry firearms on the flight deck.
And NOT a Flight Standards District Office.
I looked through comments to find out what the letters meant. I wish at least once during videos they would sayout the meaning
Tower....Brickyard 3531... Uh..Two intoxicated passengers seated in the rear of aircraft have choked out the Air Marshals. Advice police...potential issue is neutralized and aircraft is secure.
i'd like to see the worldstar coverage of that...
These pilots and the tower and ground guys AMAZE me....damn hard job but I feel safer flying listening to how they handle themselves
Back in 2002 I was accepted to FAM training(down in AZ IIRC at that time) after having interviewed out in NJ of all places and was set to go when they pulled the guaranteed "home" assignment(home airport). The remaining options were NOT an option to me so I passed. I've been in several three letter agencies since and was prior military SOF as well. I still know a couple of the guys I've met through the years and can say with a fairly high level of confidence that the guy flashing his "ack ack" will be soon looking for a job in a small town where the only "gun" he'll be flashing to unsuspecting civies will be his radar gun while eating boxes of Good-n-Plenty from his speed trap. Yeah...he's D-O-N-E. No question...
I hope so, its just a pity they didn't have him dragged off and arrested for it. The fact he was upset with the flight attendant shows he knew he'd fucked up.
It seems the two marshals were handcuffed by local police and released after questioning. www.aeroinside.com/item/11959/republic-e170-near-minneapolis-on-aug-20th-2018-unruly-air-marshal
Now that it has gone public and everyone knows their faces
Thank you - this now I would hope, "ex-agent" was everything you do NOT want on board an aircraft! What a Barney Fife!!!!!!! Well actually he'll be lucky if they give him an unloaded weapon, and one bullet he has to keep in a buttoned pocket (ala Barney Fife)!
Hey .. thank you very much for your service to our country. Nice to know folks with brains still work for us! I appreciate it very much, sir or maam!
I'm utterly impressed with this Capitan from Republic. Move him up to the big jets!
I agree with the flight the FAM showing a firearm is suspicious and also threatening, no doubt illegal since it is against SOP for FS.
Showing the badge would have been correct.
Professionally handled.. Well done.
It's hard to know when a person who comments on TH-cam is right or wrong, (this page in particular has lots of contradictory comments) but at 7:54 the pilot actually says he didn't know he had FAMs on board. That's a crucial piece of information that we can probably believe is true at least some of the time. I was under the impression from a book that I read 30 years ago that FAMs actually met the flight crew before take-off in special secure areas of the terminal so that the flight crew would know from personally seeing them who is carrying the weapons. But now we know that some flight crews do not see the FAMs in advance. That's surprising and interesting. I presume that the events of 9/11 in 2001 precipitated many changes to the FAM process.
"You can trust me, I have a gun!"
Since when did Air Marshalls become what they were supposed to prevent?
Since they started advertizing for the position on late night TV and in pizza boxes.
@ Air marshalls always had guns idiot
@ Wow so you're saying air marshals didn't exist before 9/11?
@ Yeahhh screw Israel. And air marshals had guns in 1961
@@johnboyjr21 well, Air Marshal are employees are TSA. TSA was created after 9/11. So
Reminds me of the Air Marshall on American Dad! that held the plane hostage.
The professionalism is astonishing
Can be taken straight for the crew and sarcastically for the marshal.
Air Marshals are meant to operate anonymously: a) it allows them to discreetly observe passengers and crew, and b) It doesn't make them a target if there is a criminal or terrorist on the flight. Brandishing your weapon only serves to undermine the Air Marshal's job and cause confusion amongst uninformed members of the flight crew and passengers who would naturally be concerned about anyone having a firearm on a plane. I hope this Air Marshal received a needed performance review and re-training for his brash decision to show-off his gun instead of his ID & Badge.
...nope. He brandished his gun as authority. Hopefully he is blacklisted from ever handling a gun outside a range again, forget about being an air marshal.
Guy needed a very short performance review, the kind they print on a pink slip.
Just when you think you've seen it all.
Well, I don't know the whole story, but it COULD BE that air marshals did not 'show' guns deliberately, rather flight attendant got frightened when he\she saw it. Perhaps, ID tag was on a belt, near the gun. Normally, a gun attracts view more than even a shiny badge. Maybe the gun was hidden under the shoulder, and while the AM was picking his inner pocket to pop the badge, the gun showed up. In that case, it takes seconds for a flight attendant to report gun holder on board and a week for gun holder to explain oneself.
What the heck, this is really similar to the initial plot line of the movie Non-Stop featuring Liam Neeson as a seemingly agitated Air Marshal.