I let this lull me to sleep last night which was hard cuz I wanted to keep listening! So I'm back for a second round! Love these longer compilation videos!
"We are suing the National Park, how dare you have wildlife features in a National Wildlife Park. No one expects for there to be hot springs in Yellowstone!"
"Wildlife features"? What do you mean by "features"? Why not just say, "How dare you have wildlife in a wildlife park!" I def agree with your sentiment, though. I thought it was 🙄for people to sue the National Park Service when they or their loved ones do stupid things for which they are responsible. Walking in Yellowstone at night w/o flashlights? No thanks! Why are you even wandering in that area of the park at night? And how many times must a person be warned to not approach or feed wildlife before it dawns on them that a 1,000 pound herbivore like a moose or bison can easily trample them? Let's do a photo shoot invading the space of a half-ton wild animal that is stronger & faster than I am. What could go wrong?
I can't believe the family of that one guy sued for his accident in Yellowstone. Who, in their right mind, would go running around Yellowstone at NIGHT, in the back country no less? I can't get over that! That place is very dangerous during the day, when you can see everything clearly! There's no way I would be in the back country jumping around anything at night! You never know what you're going to step into, be attacked by or fall through in Yellowstone back country! I literally remember this beautiful area in the back country that I was taking a picture of. I turned to the side and this huge plume of gas rose from the ground out of nowhere. I backed up so quickly and went on my way. You have to be so careful in that park because there are many things that can kill you there, including the very ground you are walking on! Yellowstone is a super volcano! Period! It isn't Disneyland! And it gets SUPER dark in the back country at night! All you have are the stars and whatever light you bring in. There are no overhead lights! It's the wilderness. Only nuts go around in the back country at night.
Thank you, I remember hearing about this except it was being reported they jumped in thinking it was safe. I think its important that the reporting at the time was wrong.
Completely agree. These people probably also complain that... the government interferes too much in our lives, but they expect "safety warnings" in the most ridiculous places. Like, don't use a toaster in the bath‼️
That Mt. Ranier story is both incredible and sad. I can't imagine watching your friend plumet down a mountainside for even a second. And after that, to hear that one of those who were sent to rescue you had also passed in the incident. That must have been so difficult to recover from, emotionally
Hell ya, I’m gonna really appreciate being an early fan. Love seeing the hunger and channel uploads. I hope you don’t change to much when you start passing 1 mill then 2 mill. Don’t you change on us like well you know
City people need to research the area they want to visit, otherwise, you are a liability out there. Also, obey the rules. No selfies with wildlife, enjoy them at a safe distance. Clean up after yourselves, dont leave trash, pick that stuff up. Use bear proof contains to store your food and leftovers. Use common sense. Stay on the trail, no bush whacking unless you know what you are doing. Dress for the weather or bring a change clothes. Bring water! Invest in a GPS device so if you do get lost, so searchers can find you. Tell family where you are going and when you plan return. Think smarter not harder. Be safe.
@@rcking4084 Ideally have a 'straight' person who is experienced with it, so they can help keep a group of trippers 'safe' . {I have done that before when not wanting to 'trip' personally.
Can’t even imagine the suffering & loss of hope you’d have to face to make that choice . Just imagine how bad it is for those folks who didn’t have a gun to end their suffering. Rip 💐
I'm not a heat tolerant person {born and bred in Northern Europe} but my goodness, the amount of water/rehydration salts needed even at 40 degrees C is a lot to carry for a simple 3 hr hike in rocky places.
Suing the park for their son's lack of common sense was really a cheap move. Who goes hiking at night in Yellowstone with no flashlight? Who goes hiking at night in Yellowstone PERIOD. Yeah, I know they were returning to their car, but that shows even less common sense. If it was that late, stay put or get out earlier. Scaling water, bears, mountain lions are hunting. Even startling deer or buffalo can be fatal.
Rachel and Joseph, I believe he killed her because she wasn’t interested in him romantically. Didn’t the autopsy say her injuries were the gunshot wound. If they were 2 miles from where they were parked, it makes no sense he would have gone for help in at dawn-cooler hours. Or shooting off all his bullets to get attention, not just three. When I was a cop we were trained to always say a victim did not suffer when asked. Never give full details.
They were both severely dehydrated at the time of death- so badly neither of them would've been able to walk any longer. It was clear they had both gone without food or water for several days- and in a place like Joshua Tree- that's fatal. They both had injuries and blisters on their feet and legs. It was obvious that they had been lost, that they had tried to find their way out, and that they had eventually ran out of water or food. In fact, it was so obvious her own family thinks she was killed to end her suffering- forensics supports this, and so did a thorough investigation of the scene by detectives- don't you think any of these ppl would be in a much better place to understand what may have happened here than you- someone who watched a 15 min. TH-cam clip on it?
No, it said that she fell at some point, he carried her to a shaded spot, took care of her until they couldn't bear the elements and lack of food and water.
@@rcking4084 That was something that MIGHT have happened. Watch that part again. It was a hypothetical recreation of events. No one knows because both of them were dead.
I know the survivors feel survivors guilt, but I DO get annoyed with some of these "adventurers" who are happy to go off without thinking of possible consequences ... like rescuers losing their lives. I KNOW the rescuers volunteer to do it, but none would truly expect to lose their own life while helping out. While volunteering for State Emergency Services, it was drummed into us... NEVER endanger YOURSELF. It's so unfortunate that accidents happen, but some are SO presentable. 😪
I used to fantasize about me been on top of a mountain or trail with a beautiful scenery as a background and realized with these shows thay I have no business deep in the wilderness.
Nah I don't believe the city folks are the problem, I've heard of mountain men and hunters, woodsman and they come up missing..why do women go hiking by themselves with no protection and most of them are from the country and they never come back from smthg weird happening 🤔💯
nahhh, its the lack of education and the feeling that they're invincible is the problem. Many experienced outdoors people get into trouble because they try to push their luck or don't prepare enough/don't have a contingency plan if things go south.
That's such a wild oversimplification, there's countless stories about "rugged woodsman" making dumb choices and doing things incredibly unsafe. Someone living in a city doesn't mean they've spent their whole lives there or have zero outdoor knowledge😂😂 the number of people I grew up with in the Midwest who are idiots about the outdoors is staggering lol
the joshua tree incident is sus. why wouldn’t joseph try to find help if he was fully physically capable of doing so after rachel hit her head? they were 2 miles away from their car. why wouldn’t he desperately try to reach authorities if that became their only option to leave? even with no cell signal, 911 is still reachable, albeit not at all times, but if you keep trying chances are likely you can eventually reach a dispatcher. i’ve been to joshua tree and 2 miles out from the parking lot, we still had cell service. it seems he made no attempt to save her life. and they keep saying he was prepared with weapons, why not be prepared with the basics before considering arming yourself…like enough water and food and medical supplies in case of an emergency!? the story of what they believe happened sounds even far fetched for a fairytale plot. joseph was not a hero and rachel lost her beautiful life to another deranged man who desperately needed more help for his mental instability than rachel most likely needed for her physical injury. sad story, let’s at least honor the real turn of events.
LoL. Where did you get all that from? Joshua tree gets extremely hot in the summer. They were lost, they didn't know they were 2 miles away. If you're not accustomed to the heat, or not in good shape, heat exhaustion happens rapidly within a couple of hours. You can survive easily, but you need about 4 gallons of water a day. In an area like that, everything looks the same, so you get lost quickly and easily. Their actual pattern was probably very zig zag, so they probably covered a large distance. It's clear from the autopsy that rachel fell and had a severe head injury. He carried her to a shaded spot. They were both terrified and instead of being a deranged lunatic, he was probably overly-chivalrous and stayed by her side instead of leaving tto find help. Then water and food runs out, adding overwhelming terror. They likely decided it was better than dying a horrible one from dehydration. I've gotten temporarily lost in the desert, even within a known area. Disorientation happens quickly which is scary, but if you don't know how to handle the situation it easily gets bad
You still have to have cell service to reach 911. Your phone isn't a radio. 911 works when your minutes & data are all used up & you can't send or receive calls except for emergency calls. But cell phones need cell phone towers to receive the signal.
I think it's sus, too. But why would he shoot himself, too? I agree. People simply do not take enough water. And why no way to signal for help? No mirror, no whistle, no personal alarm (those things are loud), no map & compass, no flairs. But carry a heavy ass gun.
It is suspicious. The romantic picture painted by the narrator makes little sense. I'm guessing that she was the one who had broken up with him, and he decided that if he couldn't have her, no one could. Murder-suicide has become extremely common. For all we know he could have been the cause of her head injury. Nothing surprises me. I've seen it all.
Anything that has the name “rattle snake” in it is a hell to the NO for me! Can’t imagine what the torture that Raffi went through with his bff. I 100% do NOT consider him guilty of “M” in the sense of malice, however, I literally can’t imagine being faced with that decision! It overwhelms the mind😔
I assume it was covered by the sand over the few months it had rested there by his leg, like the wind picked up the sand little by little day by day until it was partially covered rather than buried by someone.
Umbrellas should also be a part of hiking equipment. I wish people would stop wanting such dangerous hikes. If your children are thinking about it send them a bunch of videos like this and ask them to find something smaller and easier.
although i have heard the story of the one friend killing his other friend in a bid to save him a long painful death. the statements the surviving friend came out with after the court case leave me a little perplexed. and make me want to haul his unsorry arse back in and chuck him back in prison. how can you still say you did the right thing. and when asked about his feelings on his prison sentence. he states that he will have a life sentence trying to justify justify his actions? when he clearly had already justified them when he said he still thinks he did the right thing. although really...why does he STILL say AFTER the event that he STILL feels like he did the RIGHT thing???? because now that he has his hindsight, he obviously didn't do the right thing. because his friend would have been rescued with his life still intact along with him if he hadn't have done the "RIGHT" thing. unless of courses he had harboured a secret fetish all his life on how it would feel to take another human life. and now he had been given his opportunity? he was going to take it?? i just cant help but feel he was giving the answers that we wanted to hear? although he still got it wrong, and that he is a bit of a psychopath on the quiet.
I agree with you... four days in the wilderness is 'nothing' compared to what some have endured... I don't think it is natural to kill one's friend. Absolutely not. He should never have done it.
people make stupid decisions, yes but that cave should also have a warning sign regarding lightening strikes....or people should be informed of the previous tragedy so it is not repeated.
I've just learned to never underestimate nature. When I was around 10 my parents and I went for a hike in one of the hills by my hometown in the Philippines (like its a hill how dangerous can it be????). It was supposed to be leisurely hike but we got hit with a surprise torrential downpour, a flashflood and a mudslide. Came back home cold miserable and shook up.
Um... not buying the Joshua Tree Park story.🤔 Too many strange things and 🚩🚩🚩for me. HE was an ex and a second choice for the companion on the trip. WHY was he carrying?🤔 WHY the drugs?... to get her off guard and compliant or wasted? If they WERE hiking for enjoyment, why were they so ill-prepared? I suspect foul play.
That's fair. But how do you explain the evidence found that proved they were alive for days and surviving on minimal rations? If this was a crime of passion, why would he wait? Historically, these types of crimes are just done anywhere. If your gonna unalived yourself after you unalive your lover, why is there a need lure her away? I love the debate and appreciate your comment!
@@will.green. That's fair assessment. All I'm saying is that this was investigated by federal authorities since the crime was on federal lands. This was their conclusion after a thorough investigation by the best investigators we have. I'm sure they looked at this angle, but all the evidence pointed to them trying to survive. An autopsy can tell if the injury was a fall or a bash to the head. I'm sure they explained this to the family which is why the have no ill will towards Orbeso.
i call bullshit on this tale 40 cal is a semi auto round ,fired from a pistol not a revolver couldnt be 3 "empty chambers " as the rounds ar fed from a magazine not a cylender made up crap by u tube
I let this lull me to sleep last night which was hard cuz I wanted to keep listening! So I'm back for a second round! Love these longer compilation videos!
"We are suing the National Park, how dare you have wildlife features in a National Wildlife Park. No one expects for there to be hot springs in Yellowstone!"
"Wildlife features"? What do you mean by "features"? Why not just say, "How dare you have wildlife in a wildlife park!" I def agree with your sentiment, though. I thought it was 🙄for people to sue the National Park Service when they or their loved ones do stupid things for which they are responsible. Walking in Yellowstone at night w/o flashlights? No thanks! Why are you even wandering in that area of the park at night? And how many times must a person be warned to not approach or feed wildlife before it dawns on them that a 1,000 pound herbivore like a moose or bison can easily trample them? Let's do a photo shoot invading the space of a half-ton wild animal that is stronger & faster than I am. What could go wrong?
I can't believe the family of that one guy sued for his accident in Yellowstone. Who, in their right mind, would go running around Yellowstone at NIGHT, in the back country no less? I can't get over that! That place is very dangerous during the day, when you can see everything clearly! There's no way I would be in the back country jumping around anything at night! You never know what you're going to step into, be attacked by or fall through in Yellowstone back country! I literally remember this beautiful area in the back country that I was taking a picture of. I turned to the side and this huge plume of gas rose from the ground out of nowhere. I backed up so quickly and went on my way. You have to be so careful in that park because there are many things that can kill you there, including the very ground you are walking on! Yellowstone is a super volcano! Period! It isn't Disneyland! And it gets SUPER dark in the back country at night! All you have are the stars and whatever light you bring in. There are no overhead lights! It's the wilderness. Only nuts go around in the back country at night.
Well said
Thank you, I remember hearing about this except it was being reported they jumped in thinking it was safe. I think its important that the reporting at the time was wrong.
Haven't gotten to that part of the video yet, but if memory serves, didn't they go hiking without flashlights?
Completely agree. These people probably also complain that... the government interferes too much in our lives, but they expect "safety warnings" in the most ridiculous places. Like, don't use a toaster in the bath‼️
@@d.l.dickerson5489 yes. there was no mention of cell phones.
That Mt. Ranier story is both incredible and sad. I can't imagine watching your friend plumet down a mountainside for even a second. And after that, to hear that one of those who were sent to rescue you had also passed in the incident. That must have been so difficult to recover from, emotionally
Edge of ya seat suff 😥😥
Hell ya, I’m gonna really appreciate being an early fan. Love seeing the hunger and channel uploads. I hope you don’t change to much when you start passing 1 mill then 2 mill. Don’t you change on us like well you know
City people need to research the area they want to visit, otherwise, you are a liability out there. Also, obey the rules. No selfies with wildlife, enjoy them at a safe distance. Clean up after yourselves, dont leave trash, pick that stuff up. Use bear proof contains to store your food and leftovers. Use common sense. Stay on the trail, no bush whacking unless you know what you are doing. Dress for the weather or bring a change clothes. Bring water! Invest in a GPS device so if you do get lost, so searchers can find you. Tell family where you are going and when you plan return. Think smarter not harder. Be safe.
This is why they have to put ugly railings and barriers destroying the natural beauty of these sites. Cuz some ppl ruin it for everyone else
Moral of the story, don’t go to the desert to Tripp
Ha right. But if you do, limit it to only 3 different types of hallucinogens.
@@rcking4084 Ideally have a 'straight' person who is experienced with it, so they can help keep a group of trippers 'safe' . {I have done that before when not wanting to 'trip' personally.
People out there trying to make sagas with repeat disasters!!
“Half Dome”
“Half Dome 2: Electric Boogaloo!!”
“Half Dome 3: And Now I Can’t Pee”
Half Dome 3? Do you there was a THIRD tragedy involving the cave at Half Dome?
Can’t even imagine the suffering & loss of hope you’d have to face to make that choice . Just imagine how bad it is for those folks who didn’t have a gun to end their suffering. Rip 💐
Even experienced well prepared hikers can find trouble in extreme heat - I know this from experience
I'm not a heat tolerant person {born and bred in Northern Europe} but my goodness, the amount of water/rehydration salts needed even at 40 degrees C is a lot to carry for a simple 3 hr hike in rocky places.
Suing the park for their son's lack of common sense was really a cheap move. Who goes hiking at night in Yellowstone with no flashlight? Who goes hiking at night in Yellowstone PERIOD. Yeah, I know they were returning to their car, but that shows even less common sense. If it was that late, stay put or get out earlier. Scaling water, bears, mountain lions are hunting. Even startling deer or buffalo can be fatal.
I enjoy this channel
Rachel and Joseph, I believe he killed her because she wasn’t interested in him romantically.
Didn’t the autopsy say her injuries were the gunshot wound.
If they were 2 miles from where they were parked, it makes no sense he would have gone for help in at dawn-cooler hours. Or shooting off all his bullets to get attention, not just three.
When I was a cop we were trained to always say a victim did not suffer when asked. Never give full details.
They were both severely dehydrated at the time of death- so badly neither of them would've been able to walk any longer. It was clear they had both gone without food or water for several days- and in a place like Joshua Tree- that's fatal. They both had injuries and blisters on their feet and legs. It was obvious that they had been lost, that they had tried to find their way out, and that they had eventually ran out of water or food. In fact, it was so obvious her own family thinks she was killed to end her suffering- forensics supports this, and so did a thorough investigation of the scene by detectives- don't you think any of these ppl would be in a much better place to understand what may have happened here than you- someone who watched a 15 min. TH-cam clip on it?
No, it said that she fell at some point, he carried her to a shaded spot, took care of her until they couldn't bear the elements and lack of food and water.
whatz up with the gun........ found buried in the sand? how? by whom ?
@@rcking4084 That was something that MIGHT have happened. Watch that part again. It was a hypothetical recreation of events. No one knows because both of them were dead.
But why would he shoot himself if that was his motive?
I know the survivors feel survivors guilt, but I DO get annoyed with some of these "adventurers" who are happy to go off without thinking of possible consequences ... like rescuers losing their lives. I KNOW the rescuers volunteer to do it, but none would truly expect to lose their own life while helping out. While volunteering for State Emergency Services, it was drummed into us... NEVER endanger YOURSELF. It's so unfortunate that accidents happen, but some are SO presentable. 😪
Thank you for your service. Much appreciated!
Respect nature or it will disrespect you in the most brutal ways 💯
I used to fantasize about me been on top of a mountain or trail with a beautiful scenery as a background and realized with these shows thay I have no business deep in the wilderness.
RIP Nick Hall ❤ sorry you had a psychopath as a dad, a bear hunter!?! Great show tfs #Live&LetLive
@@will.green. absolutely not! Been Vegan/ARA for over 18 years. Didn't mean to sound like a speciest.
parks are not the problem... city peoples in the park are...
Nah I don't believe the city folks are the problem, I've heard of mountain men and hunters, woodsman and they come up missing..why do women go hiking by themselves with no protection and most of them are from the country and they never come back from smthg weird happening 🤔💯
nahhh, its the lack of education and the feeling that they're invincible is the problem. Many experienced outdoors people get into trouble because they try to push their luck or don't prepare enough/don't have a contingency plan if things go south.
@BabyTheSkyIsBlue that's true, it's not unique to cities...
But...
Not just city people..... all people!
That's such a wild oversimplification, there's countless stories about "rugged woodsman" making dumb choices and doing things incredibly unsafe. Someone living in a city doesn't mean they've spent their whole lives there or have zero outdoor knowledge😂😂 the number of people I grew up with in the Midwest who are idiots about the outdoors is staggering lol
the joshua tree incident is sus.
why wouldn’t joseph try to find help if he was fully physically capable of doing so after rachel hit her head? they were 2 miles away from their car. why wouldn’t he desperately try to reach authorities if that became their only option to leave? even with no cell signal, 911 is still reachable, albeit not at all times, but if you keep trying chances are likely you can eventually reach a dispatcher. i’ve been to joshua tree and 2 miles out from the parking lot, we still had cell service.
it seems he made no attempt to save her life. and they keep saying he was prepared with weapons, why not be prepared with the basics before considering arming yourself…like enough water and food and medical supplies in case of an emergency!? the story of what they believe happened sounds even far fetched for a fairytale plot.
joseph was not a hero and rachel lost her beautiful life to another deranged man who desperately needed more help for his mental instability than rachel most likely needed for her physical injury. sad story, let’s at least honor the real turn of events.
LoL. Where did you get all that from? Joshua tree gets extremely hot in the summer. They were lost, they didn't know they were 2 miles away. If you're not accustomed to the heat, or not in good shape, heat exhaustion happens rapidly within a couple of hours. You can survive easily, but you need about 4 gallons of water a day. In an area like that, everything looks the same, so you get lost quickly and easily. Their actual pattern was probably very zig zag, so they probably covered a large distance. It's clear from the autopsy that rachel fell and had a severe head injury. He carried her to a shaded spot. They were both terrified and instead of being a deranged lunatic, he was probably overly-chivalrous and stayed by her side instead of leaving tto find help. Then water and food runs out, adding overwhelming terror. They likely decided it was better than dying a horrible one from dehydration. I've gotten temporarily lost in the desert, even within a known area. Disorientation happens quickly which is scary, but if you don't know how to handle the situation it easily gets bad
You still have to have cell service to reach 911. Your phone isn't a radio. 911 works when your minutes & data are all used up & you can't send or receive calls except for emergency calls. But cell phones need cell phone towers to receive the signal.
I think it's sus, too. But why would he shoot himself, too? I agree. People simply do not take enough water. And why no way to signal for help? No mirror, no whistle, no personal alarm (those things are loud), no map & compass, no flairs. But carry a heavy ass gun.
It is suspicious. The romantic picture painted by the narrator makes little sense. I'm guessing that she was the one who had broken up with him, and he decided that if he couldn't have her, no one could. Murder-suicide has become extremely common. For all we know he could have been the cause of her head injury. Nothing surprises me. I've seen it all.
Dum funks ignore weather warnings and get into trouble and somehow it becomes a poetic tale
Anything that has the name “rattle snake” in it is a hell to the NO for me! Can’t imagine what the torture that Raffi went through with his bff. I 100% do NOT consider him guilty of “M” in the sense of malice, however, I literally can’t imagine being faced with that decision! It overwhelms the mind😔
People walk on live lava steaming into the sea in Hawaii, fallin into lava🌋🔥⚰️⚰️
These Rescuers everytime risk theire own Lifes by helping the others........
Couldn't they post strong reflection lights so Helio could possibly see better?
whatz up with the gun........ found buried in the sand? how? by whom ?
I assume it was covered by the sand over the few months it had rested there by his leg, like the wind picked up the sand little by little day by day until it was partially covered rather than buried by someone.
@@samanthaquinlan4126 How did the gun end up by his leg if he shop himself in the head? I thought he was already laying down when he shot himself?
Umbrellas should also be a part of hiking equipment. I wish people would stop wanting such dangerous hikes. If your children are thinking about it send them a bunch of videos like this and ask them to find something smaller and easier.
I feel like I've seen all of this stuff before on your channel. Is this just a rehash of old stuff? Like a repeat on network TV?
Yes. Many people prefer the marathon format. Many channels in the genre do this.
@@outdoordisastersyes the marathon format is the best. Thanks!
It's a compilation vid.
although i have heard the story of the one friend killing his other friend in a bid to save him a long painful death. the statements the surviving friend came out with after the court case leave me a little perplexed. and make me want to haul his unsorry arse back in and chuck him back in prison. how can you still say you did the right thing. and when asked about his feelings on his prison sentence. he states that he will have a life sentence trying to justify justify his actions? when he clearly had already justified them when he said he still thinks he did the right thing. although really...why does he STILL say AFTER the event that he STILL feels like he did the RIGHT thing???? because now that he has his hindsight, he obviously didn't do the right thing. because his friend would have been rescued with his life still intact along with him if he hadn't have done the "RIGHT" thing.
unless of courses he had harboured a secret fetish all his life on how it would feel to take another human life. and now he had been given his opportunity? he was going to take it?? i just cant help but feel he was giving the answers that we wanted to hear? although he still got it wrong, and that he is a bit of a psychopath on the quiet.
I agree with you... four days in the wilderness is 'nothing' compared to what some have endured... I don't think it is natural to kill one's friend. Absolutely not.
He should never have done it.
people make stupid decisions, yes but that cave should also have a warning sign regarding lightening strikes....or people should be informed of the previous tragedy so it is not repeated.
*Lightning
The girl that got hurt so bad with Stacy's crew. How did she do?
Noel made a full recovery
Funny
Climbed mt rainier in 1979 at age 11 with my dad and brother with no problems at all. Guess we were lucky
I've just learned to never underestimate nature. When I was around 10 my parents and I went for a hike in one of the hills by my hometown in the Philippines (like its a hill how dangerous can it be????). It was supposed to be leisurely hike but we got hit with a surprise torrential downpour, a flashflood and a mudslide. Came back home cold miserable and shook up.
Your father was probably intelligent enough to check the forecast out before doing so.
I don't consider this adventure. It's stupidity.
Because of five extremely stupid people, they are responsible for the death of an innocent person. They should have been prosecuted!
Such flowery prose....
Why do you use scenes from "i shouldnt be alive"
Um... not buying the Joshua Tree Park story.🤔 Too many strange things and 🚩🚩🚩for me. HE was an ex and a second choice for the companion on the trip. WHY was he carrying?🤔 WHY the drugs?... to get her off guard and compliant or wasted? If they WERE hiking for enjoyment, why were they so ill-prepared? I suspect foul play.
That's fair. But how do you explain the evidence found that proved they were alive for days and surviving on minimal rations? If this was a crime of passion, why would he wait? Historically, these types of crimes are just done anywhere. If your gonna unalived yourself after you unalive your lover, why is there a need lure her away? I love the debate and appreciate your comment!
@@will.green. That's fair assessment. All I'm saying is that this was investigated by federal authorities since the crime was on federal lands. This was their conclusion after a thorough investigation by the best investigators we have. I'm sure they looked at this angle, but all the evidence pointed to them trying to survive. An autopsy can tell if the injury was a fall or a bash to the head. I'm sure they explained this to the family which is why the have no ill will towards Orbeso.
Please WE DO NOT NEED THE ANNOYING MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND. ITS BEYOND ANNOYING.
Hi, I think most background music is a distraction and makes it difficult to focus on what the narrator is saying, I agree with you.
People are so dumb.
i call bullshit on this tale 40 cal is a semi auto round ,fired from a pistol not a revolver couldnt be 3 "empty chambers " as the rounds ar fed from a magazine not a cylender made up crap by u tube
This is maybe the most ridiculous title for a video on YT.
I try lol
Interesting stories.....but had to stop watching because of the truly appalling narration.
What's wrong with the narration?