Georgia has been doing that to TN for years. Nothing new there, wasn't surprised. I think the TN v OSU game was more just that OSU is probably the best team in the country when they play to their talent level. I don't think Penn St or ND are anywhere near on the talent level with OSU, that's the difference between the 3 games.
6 NFL receivers huh..... why did the tightend and both running backs have more targets and catches than all of the wr's except the 2 starters??? Your backups got 1 target a peice. Outsids of Egbuka & Smith OSU receivers had 4 targets with 3 catches for 31 yards. The RB Henderson outperformed them by himself.
@@osulights4812 if you have 6 NFL receivers you throw to who the defense expects you to because college teams can't stop that. I know that likely won't help you but clear examples of this are Alabama with Ruggs, Smith, & Jeudy or LSU with Chase & Jefferson or Ohio St with Wilson, Olave, & Njigba. When did those back receivers get the throws??? Late 3rd quarter and 4th. The game was 28-10 before they even attempted passes to those backup receivers.
@@TheJasonJackson84 Why do that when what they were doing was working perfectly? You throw to the TEs and RBs in the flats because that gets you 8-10 yards every time, and then when they creep up to stop it you then take a deep shot to your receivers.
Rourke did not have a better passing game than Leonard. ND was up 27-3 with 1:30 left and rourke threw for 100 yds 2 TD against ND’s backups. When the game was in doubt he threw for 93 yds 0 TD 1 INT
They still had their starters in. The TD was thrown on Christian Gray, the weeker of the two corners. But the defense was clearly checked out. The game was done, it was cold, they were tired, and they didn't want to get hurt. So they weren't pushing it.
@josephmoya5098 they had backups on the front 7, the DC afterwards also said he started calling a vanilla game once it was over to not show anymore to future opponents. So there were backups in, they were just the guys rushing the QB.
Also, fellas most everyone who watch that game saw ND went Vanilla on offense. They are one of the better teams in the nation offensively. Secondary is one of the best in the nation
Never forget Daniel's comments in their PSU v. SMU preview video... “There is a world where SMU runs into this game and gets shocked and exposed…I don’t think that’s the world we live in…” Daniel’s comments at 17:36. I think we can all safely say SMU got shocked and exposed.
Understand the point of that comment is that Daniel is saying “this is a thing we both very much see as possible, but my gut is saying that’s not the version of the game we’ll get.” He was wrong but it’s not bad analysis - the issue is we had no way of knowing what SMU would look like vs a front like that.
Ohio State should of won that game 52-3. Garbage time TD, plus a pass interference miss that resulted in an interception that halted another scoring drive in the red zone. TN was ranked the #2 overall defense and offense in the SEC.
They played a ligtht SEC schedule. Schedules are imabalanced, so stats can deceive. OSU better get back down to earth and off cloud nine real fast. Will need edge and underdog mentality against Oregon.
Dudes, Indiana had like 65 yards passing until 3 mins left in the game. You’re seriously going to just list off Rourke’s stats without any mention of the 2 garbage time TDs against soft zone coverage?
Also, when listing off who could compete with OSU, they left out the team ranked above them in FPI (at the time). So, hating on ND is par for the course.
I think there is a little stat watching here. Drew Allar threw 1 pass in the 2nd half. Backup RBs had 7 carries for 13 yds. Penn St clearly called that game after it was 21-0 in a way that would make sure players stayed healthy.
Can't really hit Allar's stats or the run game yardages. After the two pick 6's, it was essentially over. PSU's defense really took over, and it changed the whole calculus of PSU's offense. Like, legitimately 3 qtrs of garbage time.
Yup. You know this if you watch the games and don't stat watch. Penn State could have won by at least 49 if they chose to, same for Ohio State. Those teams were getting 3s and 4s reps.
Right, OSU scored 42 points against their defense and sent in their subs in at the 10 minute mark of the 4th qtr! Pass blocking was exceptional. Howard had all day and only got pressured one time when he got the face mask penalty.
@@KeepChoppin There were some pass plays where Pierce and others beat the OSU oline. Howard was actually under pressure on almost half his throws. He just handled it really well and had surprising accuracy.
So what's the harm in having 12 teams/too many teams? Let it be decided on the field. I think 8-12 getting blown out shows that it's the right cutoff. No need to go larger. If we went say 8 teams, people would be saying some of those teams should have made it in. This settles it. If we were less than 8, then OSU wouldn't have made it. And obviously they have a case they could win it all. 12 feels perfect. And the on campus atmospheres were amazing! I loved it. :)
Did you watch the ND/IU game? Stop reading stats!!!!!!! Rourke was below 50% and had 0 TDs, 1 Int & 145 yards until 1:30 left in the game!!!! Then ND shut things down. Rourke did not outplay Leonard!
Disagree that Tennessee did a good job pressuring Howard. Plenty of times Howard was able to wait for dovers and seam routes to open up. Very little pressure on him in passing situations overall.
Tennessee's defensive line wasn't nearly as good as Michigan's was, that's the key. The team that beats these suckeyes will be a great defensive line that punches through that OL.
Josh, what are you talking about “just like we predicted” about every game being a blowout. The only game you actually predicted to be a blowout was the closest of the four games.
Does anyone know how to give one TH-cam video 10 thumbs down. Clemson scored 24 points NOT because y'all said the game wouldn't be close. Clemson scored late??? Their last touchdown came with 11:43 in the game, you may have gotten them confused with Indiana scoring late tds. Y'all did point out that Marah was out so their running game was not very effective, although Clemson hasn't ran the ball great all year, but they were down 2 scores for most of the game. What football team isn't going to attempt 43 passes with those circumstances??? Quin Ewers just had 46 attempts in the SEC championship game, not because they needed to throw that many times to score 19 points, because their rushing attack was not effective at all. Klubnik played really well, only interception was tipped high in the air at the line of scrimmage. Klubnik made some really nice throws in that 2nd half and the receiver Moore made some really nice catches. The Texas defense bailed Sarkisian out. Had Clemson scored on 3rd and goal or 4th and goal to make it 38-31 I'm afraid he would have made some bone headed calls to give Clemson a chance to tie that game at 38. Clemson played the best game of the losing playoff teams because their coaching staff had playoff experience and Klubnik played inspired ball. Also helped that they didn't have to deal with freezing temps.
Klubnic is not a mediocre QB. 36 passing touchdowns, 7 on the ground, and a ton of passing yards this year. Ya'll must be stuck on last year. It's apparent you haven't watched Clemson this year other than this game. He has been a good all year. He just threw for over three hundred yards on the best defense in college football. He will be a Heisman front-runner next year.
I gotta say this loud. Getting blown out on national television in a playoff game DOES NOT help with recruiting! It didn’t help Michigan state, Cincinnati, Washington, TCU, etc.
I don't know if it really hurts or helps, but making the playoffs probably improves the resources the school gets from the fans. TCU and UW are in the top 25 recruiting right now. That's not blowing anyone away, but maybe better than it would be otherwise.
Cincinnati's head coach got a better job and they were able to joina p4 conference. Wtf are you talking about? MSU'S all time winningest coach retired. Its a huge boost for these schools getting play in these games. Resources recruiting the whole thing.
@@ferg_life3841 Cincinnati is a product of conference realignment. If Texas and Oklahoma hadn’t announced they were leaving that barren wasteland back in ‘21, they wouldn’t have added all those G5 schools
@ True! Or maybe they should have left Allar in for a fourth quarter to beat SMU 50+ to 3… They put on the 2-3rd stringer for the end of third and fourth quarter where SMU scored their only touchdown.
We mainly cited to yards/attempt stats, and included the number of attempts when citing total passing yards, for this reason. He and Rourke threw just about the same number of passes.
Daniel was preaching!!! If we couldn't find 4 great teams in the 4-team playoffs, why would you expand to 12. Facts! This expansion was/is dumb and it's gonna get a lot of programs embarrassed and demoralized and could set back progress or program momentum. Indiana got a new, ambitious head coach and he did a fantastic job with that team, but it was obvious in the Ohio State game, they ain't got the players. Tennessee had a good year, but they ain't got the players yet. It's levels. I'm afraid for Boise State and Arizona State.
I disagree. I love the 12 team cfp. It's made the season better and raised teams prospects. NIL is bringing parity and this adds to greater possibilities for more teams. The Nerds are totally wrong on this one.
Ask any program if they are too demoralized to want to go to the playoff. Thats such a silly take. You are simply complaining about extra football, even if the teams you expect to win still win it. If we still had a 4 team playoff, ohio state would have been left out, after just showing they might be the favorite to win it all.
Ohio State was a great team last year and got left out of the playoffs. The problem is there's always a team or two just outside of the top 4 that are arguably better than some of the top 4. Ohio State absolutely was last year. A bowl game they felt was meaningless (QB left the team, star WR opted out, etc.) doesn't prove otherwise, either. Their resume leading up to the playoffs was a loss on the road to the #1 seed by a single score with a couple of good wins (Notre Dame, Penn State). Michigan beat the two teams they played in the playoffs worse than they beat Ohio State at home. Ohio State absolutely belonged in that playoff. 4 teams just isn't enough when a home vs. road game gets to decide who gets in the playoffs.
Not only did Ohio State play Nebraska after Oregon, but Ohio State had Penn State the next week (both on the road as well). It was the ultimate trap game.
Tell me you didn’t watch the Notre Dame game without telling me you didn’t watch it. Bragging about getting the score right given the way the game unfolded at the end is extremely ridiculous too. You’re not making ND fans mad by being right, you just get so many details wrong and that’s what makes them upset. Plenty to ding ND on if you’re actually paying attention.
My boys in the scarlet and gray look like they’re starting to peak at the right time. If they continue to run the offense through Jeremiah Smith and Emeka Egbuka alongside that elite defense then we’ll win the National Title. O-H!
@@thebiscuit7725the internet sort of baffles me. People constantly take what the loud goal minority online says, then applies it to literally tens of millions. No. We didn’t all want to fire Ryan day. Go outside.
I didn’t think the Ohio State Tennessee game was boring. I was there. I was dancing the whole time laughing having a good old time. I thought it was a blast.
I have a lot of negative comments about the CNN of football, ESPN. So I will mostly hold back except for social media. I did expect more fight from Tennessee.
ND fan and season ticket holder since 2017. I work at Ohio State and grew up in Ohio. You guys are one of my favorite TH-cam channels! Keep doing what you are doing. Regarding ND in the past. Those teams that made it to big games made it vs. some generational teams. 2012 Bama That Clemson Team, we played to a stalemate until our 1 corner went out with an injury, and Clemson picked on the replacement. We also played against some unreal QBs and did not have one ourselves. We are a really good program. Just not elite. We have closed the gap as far as depth. We need to hit on a QB to add an explosive element to the offense.
12 team format is the best option IMO. Guarantees the teams capable of winning it all get in. Rewards Cinderella seasons with a playoff spot. Allows a team that may have struggled a bit to play their way in by winning their conference championship. Add reseeding and your set.
Ohio State played like an elite team for the first time this year. Kudos. Im pretty sure they beat anyone if they perform that way again. Tennessee along with most other teams, lose in the same fashion if Ohio State plays that way.
Dude, you piss off ND and Penn State fans bc you only look at numbers and nothing else. It was 12• with 15-25mph winds at Beaver stadium and you mention none of that when it comes to the passing game
Tell me your didn’t watch the ND-Indiana game …. ND is in a tournament. Up 27-3 with 4 mins and change to go they played a prevent D, substituted and went as vanilla is possible with Georgia in the horizon. IU pass game did nothing to ND in the 56 minutes the were and actual game.
For what it’s worth: it would not have mattered when OSU played mich this year. The loss wasn’t a product of a letdown game after a big game. Day and co. just have a mental block when it comes to that game. The Nebraska game does prove your point tho. Granted, there was more to that than big game hangover. Breaking in several new offensive lineman against what was a good defensive line wasn’t exactly ideal.
This, if Day would have coached that game like he did Oregon or Indiana or Tennessee the outcome would have been wildly different, but he tried to run the ball down their throats and forgot about all the weapons they have on the outside.
Your theory is wrong. Because we are seeing a 7/8 seed that could win it all. Even if Ohio State was #5/6 they still get left out. The 12 team playoff allows for this exact situation where the best team started slow, lost a dumb game, and would get left out typically. The 12 team allows for a mulligan for that team to recalibrate and claim a championship.
@@BrianGlazeI respectively disagree. I think having 12 team playoff ensures that the best 8 teams get in the playoff. I would rather have blowouts then have one team being controversial left out
Curious question for everyone. Which postseason format would you prefer: A. One where zero non-elite teams get in, but elite teams occasionally get left out B. One where every elite team gets in, but some non-elite teams always get in too By "elite teams," I mean those capable of winning a national championship that year.
what's hard though is that if some of those elite teams have to play useless games and game changing players get hurt then you really don't end up with the best team winning at the end you end up with the deepest or luckiest elite team. It adds in variables that really shouldn't matter. If an elite Ohio State team gets left out of the playoffs because they lost to Michigan that's on them. Crush someone in a bowl game. The regular season should matter and it matters waayyyy less using the current format.
The issue is, I saw nothing that tells me that Tennessee is better than SMU, Indiana or Clemson. Because they beat a mediocre alabama team? In the end you couldve picked any SEC team to fill any of the losers spots and they wouldve got dog walked, just like TN. The reason this playoff works is because you get to see if OSU is the best team with two losses, in which your 6 team model would leave them out. The goal posts will shift again when ND beats Georgia, to what ifs about their QB situation. Explain FPI when Bama #4 lost to #26 OU by 21 points. This is why people say the SEC is undefeated in hypothetical situations.
Personally, I think that in the long run a 12 team field will make college football more competitive, especially combined with NIL and the transfer portal.
As an OSU fan I gotta pump the brakes a bit. Being up 21 made Tennessee throw the gameplan away offensively and defensively. Credit to OSU, but I would expect them to have to defend the run and pass all game from here on out. Tennessee needs the threat of run for the pass to work with their wide split offense. I am glad OSU flushed the UM game that was my biggest concern for a hangover.
Here's the thing: we see elite NFL teams with rosters all much closer than they are in CFB have one game where they blow out a good team, then get blown out themselves. Even on the best teams they can very often still have blowout losses. People trying to say if we narrow it to two or four we might get only "good games" or better match ups and less blowouts. That doesn't even factor into me. They might still happen. Two elite teams as you know, one with a weakness against the pass the other one with a pass threat can make that 30 points and suddenly you get arguments "they didn't belong", but it might still be possible that blowout loss was still the team that was the best all around that year, but they simply got seeded against the team that happens to have enough strengths just where they are weakest. Take for example the 2008-9 patriots. Are you going to say we think the Giants were the best team that year? Hell no, the Patriots came to the SB undefeated for a reason. Do I think it's bad that people undeserving compared to those who did "earn it" get a shot? I don't think so. I say 64 teams, and let it go mike leach style, and there's all your bowls. The bottom 32, the 16-32, and the 16 in the first round of games. It would make way better bowls, and brackets like that would make the games more compelling. But even if we were to get only 16 teams, I would take it.. because I'm looking for a different thing than I guess. And I think it's better that way. You're not going to make blowouts not happen even if it was only two. A look at bcs or before that national champions show us that.
19:45 The answer is simple. You need more teams to help ensure the best teams get in. We're just going to have to be ok with some additional blowouts. That's the tradeoff. A broader point for the overall discussion is that it's always about money. Always. PSU vs SMU as a playoff game generated more money than if it were a traditional bowl game. Being part of the playoff was the only interesting thing about it for casual viewers (the majority).
Stop with the non sense. Leonard was miles better than rourke when the game mattered. Rourke’s yardage and TDs came in garbage time after Al golden called off the dogs.
GIVE ME MORE!!! Expand these playoffs to 16 teams. No bye's, 1vs16, 2vs15, etc....8 home playoff games YES PLEASE!!! Your favorite overrated SEC team gets in and has to go to Autzen or Columbus or South Bend for game 1. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give me more. To speak a little more on the SEC snubs, look Oklahoma was 3-6 against power 5 teams and beat Bama by 21. The same would have happened in South Bend or Columbus (both have better defenses than Oklahoma) "we beat Georgia..." yes, you got the W, but after watching that game 3 different times now, Georgia was clearly the better team for 38 minutes. Bama played perfect football for about 22 minutes and got a ridiculously lucky catch from a phenom that he turned into 6 points...otherwise, that game would have been remembered as how Bama blew a 28-0 lead. By the way, that was the only 22 minutes of GREAT football that the Tide played the entire season (sans LSU). Moving on, Kentucky had 1 SEC win....ONE, ONE, ONE....Lane, sit down and win at home please. You have no excuses, you lost to a mediocre Florida team and a team thats only credible win was against the MAC champ. Here is the kicker, everybody respected your D and had you beaten Kentucky or Florida. YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN. Win the games, don't tell me how great you are, WIN THE EFFING GAMES!!! That makes you great, beat the guy in front of you. IDC about your greatest victory (very impressive 28-10), I care about your floor. And your floor is getting beat AT HOME by a team that couldn't beat anybody else in the SEC. The one guy i respect in all this is Shane Beamer, he manned up took personal accountability (are you listening Lane) and said we should have won. the Cocks also had a game stolen from them (LSU) so they have the biggest gripe and did the least amount of complaining. So yeah, i loved the first round, i predicted an tOSU blowout, just because Ryan day offense always scores 41+ in the first round of the playoffs (check the history books) and I didn't think the Vols could put up 14 against that D....my bad they got 17, just being transparent. I told my buddy, the 22' Georgia D had 8 NFL players and Day put up 41. And as good as Tennessee D was this year, they are not as good as the 22' Bulldogs team. So give me 16....i love March Madness and number one always beats number 64 (except Purdue) by 57...and I love watching it. Give me 16, 16, 16...The one caveat i would cut out in the 16.....would be conference champs (must be ranked in the top 16) get guaranteed homefield, but your stadium must seat 60,000. Or your home game is the closest stadium that can seat 60K....
I'm a huge notre dame fan and like your analysis quite a bit. Great not elite is a perfect way to describe ND. Their oline, running game and defense are almost always as good as any in the country. But, the deficiencies at QB and WR always hold them back
Might be enough to win it all this year. Everyone except Ohio State has pretty major flaws. Ohio State has some minor flaws (mainly the ability to kick field goals), too, but Henderson, Simon, Ransom, Tuimoloau, Sawyer, Tyleik, Egbuka, all easily NFL guys that returned to make this run, so it's no surprise they're loaded on both sides. And Ohio State has to play through Oregon and Texas to get to Notre Dame. One slip up and it's anyone's championship to win, imo.
If Ohio State plays like this each of the next few games nobody can beat them... that defense is legit. Great video guys.. Merry Christmas everyone!! 🎅🎄 ⭕️🙌🙏⭕️
I wouldn’t go as far as to say nobody can beat them, but I would say that they can beat anybody. I know that is semantics, and they looked as good or better than any team in the country against Tennessee, but the best version of Texas, Georgia (QB pending more data points), and Oregon would still be a challenge for the best version of the Ohio State team. I’m also, wondering if OSU can sustain that level of play. They have been fairly inconsistent throughout the year (play a poor half, then blow out the team in the second half) and as you said, their ceiling is national championship caliber, but the question is can they sustain that for four quarters through four games with the hardest bracket through the playoffs?
@@Ethandavisbakerthey did it in playoff 1 with cardale jones.. Think it can’t be replicated. Ohio state literally is the best example used for “level up”
What measure do you prefer for team talent? Is it overall (247 Team Composite)? Is it industry recruiting average for key positions (OL, DL, WRs, etc)?
ND fan here. This was a great video. A very even keeled examination of what happened, and what is likely, based on what is measurable, and what is observable. This video is why I keep coming back to hear from you fellas. Cheers.
No, we both actually thought SMU was a better team than they are. We thought the 1st half of Clemson was an anomaly. Just like one of us picking Indiana vs Notre Dame, the feeling was more good about SMU/Indiana than saying anything bad about PSU or ND.
@@CollegeFootballNerdsWhat really annoys us is that you appear to have not actually watched the games involving non-SEC teams. I.e. The Rourke stats despite him doubling his totals in the last 2 meaningless minutes of the game amd dumping on Allar's stats despite an environment that made throwing the ball down field extremely risky in a game that was won in the 1st quarter where he didn't have to push the downfield at all and sat the entire 4th quarter.
@@CollegeFootballNerdsYou also completely gloss over the fact that GA's offense, and Beck in particular, are much greater liabilities to a supposed title contender. You'll mention them in the same breath as Oregon and OSU as if they have actually done something against a mediocre defense, but then crush PSU and ND for coasting to 3 score leads without having to lift a finger and taking their foot off the gas. Texas, to me, is basically Tennessee with an easier schedule as well. What has Ewers and that offense done in a game that leads you to believe they can score 17 points on OSU, ND, or PSU? Context and apples to apples is what gets people worked up. Pretty pumped that this GA team you think is somehow a hair off of OSU and Oregon has to potentially go thru ND and PSU teams that you say are not on their level.
@@justinb6348It’s hard to take a James Franklin team seriously in big games and not take a Kirby Smart team seriously in big games given the 2 histories. One of them loses on every single big stage and the other has been money basically anytime they face anyone except Nick Saban.
@@justinb6348The other issue with Penn State (and Notre Dame), is they haven’t really beaten anybody while Georgia got through the toughest schedule in the country with an extremely flawed team by their own standards and still won the conference. Beat current title favorite Texas twice, smashed ACC champion Clemson, essentially gave Ohio State the blueprint for how to beat Tennessee. Penn State went 0-2 against the 2 remaining teams and outside of a fast start against Ohio State never looked like they’d win either game.
I will agree it was Allars worst game of the season. However, it was 10 degrees out with 20 to 30 mph winds. Kicking was abysmal and punting. I'll give Allar a pass for this game we've seen him against much better secondaries and defenses he's done well. It wasn't too long ago I Remeber Josh giving Ohio state a pass for terrible weather and extreme wind conditions against Northwestern a few years back. Josh Pate even sides with what my analysis is. 20 to 30mph winds absolutely affect the ball in the air. No way both of them looked meh. Even Jennings was affected. If Allar looks bad and throws for 127 against Josh I'll start admitting maybe you're on to something. Right now you have 1 game he genuinely looked terrible against a lesser opponent. Slow down a bit with the gotcha moment. Also PSU running backs both ran for nearly 6.5 yards per carry. Sacks accounted in we were just under 5 at 4.7 which isn't bad against SMU top 5 Rush Defense which was conveniently left out. You already know jm gonna comment.
@CollegeFootballNerds my bad so Only games you want to count. Not all the games matter? Why pick and choose? Let's see the rushing numbers for most of those games. Especially in their wins. There are alot of games where he was effective/efficient and PFF shows that. Psu is not a team that's trying to throw for 350 yards a game. They want to play ball control and not take shots even if they can. I've seen Michigan numerous times beat elite teams and win a natty playing ball control and not being amazing passing team or having elite WRs. PSU hasn't been a deep shot WR based offense since Mcsorley and Barkley. The reality is They don't have the caliber of WRs they did. Its not always on Allar. This game he was off. Let's see what he does against Boise State. Cause I know for fact if he goes off or has a good day. You'll make an excuse. It won't count. Doesn't matter. It's just boise state. There's never a middle ground. Whenever he does good it never counts. When he does bad You're absolutely right. Allar statistically and PFF wise is the best QB down in the bottom half bracket. My issue with you guys is you will leave out certain stats or disregard certain stats that disprove or challenge your points. I'm not an angry PSU fan I'm quite realistic. I think PSU, ND, UGA are quite the same team this year. Anyone of them make it will be hard for them to win the natty. Give Penn state. OSU WRs or Oregons i bet you they're the team to beat this year.
@@CollegeFootballNerds can you also explain why OSU was granted a pass in extreme weather conditions and PSU was not with winds up to 30mph? They don't get a pass too? That's interesting. I watch your videos. I have pretty good memory. This is my biggest issue is you'll make up rules for certain teams and won't apply it across the board.
@@CollegeFootballNerds These are facts! Apart from the stats the eye test does show Allar is improved with pocket presence to avoid sacks and using his feet to extend drives. Just wanting to see if the downfield passing can improve against the better teams next year. But for certain there was improvement is a few aspects of his game
@@larryizpr0 known, admitted, and accepted Penn State and Allar haters. Best to just open the video, downvote it, leave. They didn't say anything positive about Penn State.
Joel klatt made a great point about the blowouts. Even in the NFL last year the average margin of victory for the last round was 17.5 points. That doesn't mean there should be less playoff teams.
I think comparing the raw statistics of Leonard and Rourke as a way to indicate Rourke had a better game is incredibly dishonest analysis. If you watched the game, Rourke racked up about 110-120 yards and both of his touchdowns with less than two minutes left in the game. Al Golden stated after the game that at that point he didn’t see a need to show anymore exotic blitzes on film and ND went into essentially a prevent to burn the rest of the clock.
@@CollegeFootballNerdsit was 20 degrees with 20mph winds and he had a 3 score lead and only played 3 quarters. What OC in his right mind would send in ANY play calls for an aggressive passing attack? Context guys... this is what infuriates us. when you use simplistic stats like ypc or ypa to gauge the quality of a quarterback instead of taking into account clutch plays to keep a drive alive, conditions, play calling, or game situations
@@johnbochenek5526fuck, people would piss and moan and cry and complain and blowouts would still happen often. 8 made sense but we're at 12. Fucking let it be for a decade or so damn.
You guys would sound a lot more plausible if you had said some of these things BEFORE the games. Go back and review your preview of the ND/Indiana game. Where was there even a hint that Indiana didn’t belong in the tournament. Look at what your model predicted. Look at what YOU predicted. I’m an ND fan who has enjoyed getting your take on the previous big ND games you’ve covered. Your analysis of ND/Indiana has been the poorest I’ve seen you do. And getting defensive, instead of figuring out how you could have been so wrong, isn’t helping.
Also, will say, Jennings has an amazing arm and release..maybe with another year he can avoid a few more mistakes. He DID have a lot of pressure on him.
I agree with you both that the playoff shouldn’t have expanded but honestly this year it more of an indictment on the structure which caused incorrect seeding and matchups, there is no reasons why OSU should have been the 8 seed, matchups like SMU vs Arizona St, or Boise and Indiana would be really interesting in my opinion but the format force byes to worse teams and kicks out the better ones
Nah I think that we lost the Michigan game cause of a pre determined play calling that we were gonna do no matter what. But I do agree with your overall point
Its pretty obvious Day did not let Chip kelly be creative or up tempo in that Michigan game and it was disastrous. He wanted to "tough" He got psyop/baited by Sherrone Moore.
The problem is the CFP is not just for the most elite teams. It’s for most elite and most deserving. Florida State last year was the final straw. The AD’s / commissioners who created this system wanted to include the most deserving teams. Fans need to understand this is the system we have. We’re not going back to four teams
I'm impressed. You guys confirmed 1 of things I've been saying all along, the I'm impressed. You guys confirmed 1 of things I've been saying all along, the expanded playoff benefits high blue chip ratio teams that maybe had an off year like Ohio state this year More than any other teams
I disagree on that Ohio State A game would defeat Penn State worse than Tennessee due to the fact that OSU and Penn State play every year and it is usually a one score game. Data supports my argument more often than not. I’d argue that Penn State in general, when comparing against the same teams like the game against PSU that they are indeed a tier above Tennessee.
Guys tip of the hat for good work on this video. I watch so many different perspectives on college football. You are not always right, but you look at things even handedly without an overarching agenda . The same cannot be said for Joel Klatt . He is literally celebrating this past weekends results, when we all knew it could have been better. Blowouts yes will NOT be something that will cease in any scenario. But four bad games does tell me the work this committee put in was not good. Josh you were very justified in being angry at how inconsistent they were. And this next round we hope to have a couple good games right? There are folk with whom this is alright. I'm glad to know you guys think a lot differently. Unfortunately the comments devolve among fans focusing on Alabama. That is such a distraction from the larger issue. What a team looks like at the end of their schedule should be more defining that it was. As a Georgia fan I don't have a dog in this particular fight. But South Carolina was the team with three losses that should have gone in over SMU. They were the hot team. Ole Miss and Alabama both had recent losses. And besides this the LSU controversial loss should have been somewhat discounted. If we had had SC vs Penn St there is little doubt it would have been a more compelling game. Your views on SC might be different I don't know. But I do know that how teams finish has to matter. It is a much more reliable predictor than won loss record is . SMU looked bad against Clemson before the comeback. The ending of their season vs Penn State proved in no way were they surging at the end. The only reason they got there is the committee boxed themselves in with their statements.
Always great videos, thanks! One point I would make is that if you want more parity, then you need to keep the Playoffs as a possibility for more teams. It will help even out recruiting over time. In any case, I enjoyed the games in any case! (Of course, as a Penn State fan, I would.) The SMU fans COME WITH THE MONEY!! Whoo Boy, they actually exceeded the jet/plane parking spaces at the State College airport and late arrivals with private aircraft were diverted to Williamsport, about a 1.5 hour drive away! That kind of money WILL make a difference!
This argument has never panned out though. Teams like Michigan State, Washington, TCU, Cincinnati that reached up to the playoffs and got blown out saw zero statistical improvement in recruiting afterwards
Given the expansion, your argument about there only being 5-6 contenders/year kinda guts your conclusions. How does it hurt that point to have more teams and have first round “tune ups” for the elite teams? Again, if at the end of the day, it will only be the same 5-6, then expansion does absolutely nothing to undermine that. You’ll still get to same place by your logic. It’s literally one extra game. Unless this really is just a backdoor argument to include Ole Miss or Bama, “no animals were harmed in the making of this product”… (Fwiw, Diehard Buckeye. And okay with a 4 or 6 teamer. Not a fan of expansion even though we benefitted this year, I would trade it for the long term bc I don’t want watered down regular season.)
The seeding needs to be recalibrated, but the field should be expanded even more up to 16 so we can get rid of the byes and have two weeks of on-site games. The 1st round of any playoff is rarely competitive. Are you familiar with March Madness? Have you watched the Hornets get swept by the Celtics in the 1st round of the NBA Playoffs seemingly every year for the last twenty? The 1st round exists to give teams that earned it a very low-percentage shot at being a cinderella. Blowouts are to be expected.
One of the key phrases in this presentation: People are going to get mad or people are mad. A lot of defensive posturing. You guys know what you are doing. Don't apologize UNLESS you totally blow x or y point. I enjoy y'alls banter. Is there any way you can work in game video to illustrated the data. Like an O line that is constantly blowing a D line away. Don't only tell us, show us. Be more work, and maybe copyright prohibits. Thx for your show.
And if im not mistaken didnt you guys put out a tweet during the georgia and georgia tech game saying that neither georgia or alabama deserved to be in the playoffs?
@CollegeFootballNerds let me apologize if misconstrued this tweet "Thank goodness we expanded the playoffs to 12. I really needed to see this Georgia team or Alabama or Arizona State in a competition where they had a season worthy of competing for a championship at the end" You guys sound real confident in the team that won the best conference
Agree, OSU at their best is the best in the field, but they also play with a wider range than everyone else, specifially, on offense. Save a horrendous outing by Denzel Burke against Oregon, the defense has been consistently outstanding. The offensive coaching, o-line play (with injuries) and QB play, on the other hand, has had huge fluctuations in performance.
Appreciate you all always calling out that there are levels to this stuff. Fans of lesser programs that rarely/never make the playoffs don't understand that there are no Cinderella stories in college football. The only teams that win championships are the elite of the elite. SMU and Indiana had a 0% chance to win a Natty the moment week 1 kicked off. They can't win. They don't have the requisite trench talent/size. Even the "great but not elite" teams like Tenn and PSU have almost no chance. The best team in college football, by the end of the year (This matters), is often the best by a wide margin. If you're not the best by a wide margin, you're almost definitely not winning it all.
I think Daniel hit the nail on the head. 6 teams feels right based off years past in the sense of A.) teams that can actually win it, and B.) good enough teams that are deserving to be in the field. The first and last years of the 4 team playoff 2014 and 2023 would’ve been perfect for 6 teams (still salty about 2014 TCU). As a UGA fan I’d be biased and say the years we were good enough to win but got bounced in the SEC championship game so we dropped out of the four keeps us in the discussion. Unfortunately this sport is driven by people who are succumbed by money and ratings and we will never reduce the field
The problem with a 4 team playoff... last year Ohio State arguably beats Michigan on a neutral field. Ohio State was left out of the playoffs. People can say they didn't win in a meaningless bowl game to Mizzou so they didn't belong, but their starting QB left, their star WR opted out, their starting C didn't play, etc. OSU clearly didn't value that game like they would have a playoff game (or even a regular season game), so it's silly to judge them for it. They belonged in that playoff and Michigan beat everyone in the playoff worse than they beat OSU at home. If OSU had multiple losses, fine, but they didn't. One loss to #1 by a single score on the road was their resume. The playoffs should exist to allow teams with a resume like that a second chance so it doesn't just come down to who gets the home game in a rivalry game and they failed last year. Great show, guys!
Some bowl games are good indicators. But Ohio State vs Missouri was not. OSUs offense was non functional and it was largely do to not having a QB who took the first team reps all year. That certainly changes things. Don't hold that against OSU at all
Tennessee-Ohio State was basically Alabama-Tennessee, except they had a QB who could hit open receivers. OSU played the second toughest schedule in the playoff, after Georgia. Tennessee played the second easiest, after Indiana.
@ Texas’s schedule gets a boost by playing Michigan and Georgia twice. Tennessee played a horrible NC State and only played Georgia once. Bama is better than A&M but not by as much of a margin as Michigan vs NC State
Nearly all years there are only maybe 5 teams that can actually win it, same in basketball, but everyone needs to calm down its only the first year and the nil machine aint slowing down. The sport is still evolving
I agree that the talent gap between PSU and OSU is pretty great but the familiarity between the programs plays a lot into the match up. OSU can't blow out PSU and if PSU converts inside the 5 either time they got down there the conversation about PSU is completely different. I know they didn't so that validates dumping on PSU, but i honestly think they're a much more dangerous and complete team than GA, ND, or Texas
Agreed Josh. Some think that because Tennessee was destroyed by Ohio State, that means Tennessee is a bad team. I would argue that Tennessee, Notre Dame, and Penn State are a similar level. If Ohio State plays like they did yesterday against any of them....they beat them the same way. There is a difference between Elite - Great - Really Good. Ohio State played in an elite manner. Tennessee, ND, and PSU can not play like that.
SEC bias…when was the last time Ohio State blew out Penn State? These guys especially Josh lies and say Penn State gets blown out by OSU every year. Penn State is Always competitive against Ohio State. No way they get a beat down like mighty ole SEC Tennessee got
Back to the Drew Allar hate after playing in 20 degree weather 😂 these clowns are gonna die on this hill devoid of all context. They still assert he was bad in the Oregon game despite what your eyes are telling you and a mediocre WR core. They just throw a YPA stat out and act like that means u didn’t see what you saw.
Couldn't agree more.. they don't know ball.. they stare at a computer and numbers and think they can tell everyone how a game is going to go.. their mighty computer model had psu losing to SMU by 2... Tells ya all ya need to know about these guys
Instead of saying that we shouldn't have 12 teams because of these blowouts, wouldn't it make more sense to stop the top 4 conference champions from getting BYEs? I think more than anything, Boise State playing SMU/Tennessee/Clemson provides a closer first round game. Same with ASU against the 9-12 teams. If Ohio State ends up a top 4 team with a BYE, the team that makes it through the first round doesn't get blow out by OSU. Same for if Texas was top 4 playing the winner of the first round.
I'm an OSU season ticket holder and have been to every home game plus a few away games. There may be some recency bias here, but Tennessee appeared to be one of the worst teams Ohio State has played all year (including our weak out of conference schedule). On defense, their front was wildly overrated, and their back end was one of the slowest I've ever seen. On offense, that was easily one of the softest olines we have faced all year. Offensive lines at Iowa, Nebraska, and even Northwestern gave us a tougher time. Their receiving core was pathetic. Nico was the only player on that team who competed. It's too bad we don't get to play another middle of the pack SEC team in these playoffs, pretty clear that conference is not competitive outside of a couple teams.
Don’t think it would have changed the outcome but Sampson was a huge loss for Tennessee. Let the SEC in rushing and averaged 5.8 ypc. Definitely didn’t have the rb depth osu has. Which is probably the best 1-2 in the country.
@@SandyFlamingothis is what a lot of Ohioans said for years that cold weather DOES affect southern teams! Say all you want about Tenn got cold weathers too but clearly we saw how they reacted slow in the COLDer environment in Ohio Stadium!
These guys are talking about how Ohio State is elite and can win it all and that we only need 6 teams but don’t realize the elephant in the room that Ohio State technically was like 4th in the Big 10 and wouldn’t have gotten into the playoffs even with an 8 team playoff. We basically have to have a 12 team playoff in order for the Ohio States to get in, the teams we all know are good but fell for a couple of trap games. I’m happy we’re finally playing it out on the field instead of just having Ohio State crush Tennessee in a regular bowl game and then go home and an Oregon win in a 4 team playoff but never get a chance to really prove themselves. Or what would’ve happened to Notre Dame if it was a 6 team playoff and they got left out and say they crush Indiana but we never know if they would win over an elite school. I’m just saying I like this format with some tweaks. If there are blowouts that just hypes everyone up for the elite vs elite games.
The amount of SEC fans that attacked everyone because of the first 3 games being one sided only to have Tennessee look like a high school team 😂
Tennessee looked like a FCS team. It was extremely bad.
@Rivs5117 they really came out and tried to play single high press man 😂
Georgia has been doing that to TN for years. Nothing new there, wasn't surprised. I think the TN v OSU game was more just that OSU is probably the best team in the country when they play to their talent level.
I don't think Penn St or ND are anywhere near on the talent level with OSU, that's the difference between the 3 games.
@@JustN0pe3Sadly I don't think they can get past Oregon
This makes no sense because we all hate Tennessee we all were celebrating man
Chip Kelly looked over the roster and discovered he does still have 6 NFL receivers! 😂
It's amazing isn't it!? Lol GO BUCKS!!!
6 NFL receivers huh..... why did the tightend and both running backs have more targets and catches than all of the wr's except the 2 starters??? Your backups got 1 target a peice. Outsids of Egbuka & Smith OSU receivers had 4 targets with 3 catches for 31 yards. The RB Henderson outperformed them by himself.
@@TheJasonJackson84
Throw to the receivers = expected by the defense
Throw to the TEs and RBs = not quite as expected by the defense
Hope this helps!
@@osulights4812 if you have 6 NFL receivers you throw to who the defense expects you to because college teams can't stop that. I know that likely won't help you but clear examples of this are Alabama with Ruggs, Smith, & Jeudy or LSU with Chase & Jefferson or Ohio St with Wilson, Olave, & Njigba.
When did those back receivers get the throws??? Late 3rd quarter and 4th. The game was 28-10 before they even attempted passes to those backup receivers.
@@TheJasonJackson84 Why do that when what they were doing was working perfectly? You throw to the TEs and RBs in the flats because that gets you 8-10 yards every time, and then when they creep up to stop it you then take a deep shot to your receivers.
Rourke did not have a better passing game than Leonard. ND was up 27-3 with 1:30 left and rourke threw for 100 yds 2 TD against ND’s backups. When the game was in doubt he threw for 93 yds 0 TD 1 INT
They still had their starters in. The TD was thrown on Christian Gray, the weeker of the two corners. But the defense was clearly checked out. The game was done, it was cold, they were tired, and they didn't want to get hurt. So they weren't pushing it.
@josephmoya5098 they had backups on the front 7, the DC afterwards also said he started calling a vanilla game once it was over to not show anymore to future opponents. So there were backups in, they were just the guys rushing the QB.
Also, fellas most everyone who watch that game saw ND went Vanilla on offense. They are one of the better teams in the nation offensively. Secondary is one of the best in the nation
Gotta mention all the drops the WRs had too
Never forget Daniel's comments in their PSU v. SMU preview video...
“There is a world where SMU runs into this game and gets shocked and exposed…I don’t think that’s the world we live in…”
Daniel’s comments at 17:36.
I think we can all safely say SMU got shocked and exposed.
Understand the point of that comment is that Daniel is saying “this is a thing we both very much see as possible, but my gut is saying that’s not the version of the game we’ll get.” He was wrong but it’s not bad analysis - the issue is we had no way of knowing what SMU would look like vs a front like that.
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Buddy who cares about smu
Oh no they’re not right 100% of the time. You really showed them.
@@CollegeFootballNerds The trenches really determined every single playoff game. Big mismatches across the board.
Ohio State should of won that game 52-3. Garbage time TD, plus a pass interference miss that resulted in an interception that halted another scoring drive in the red zone. TN was ranked the #2 overall defense and offense in the SEC.
They played a ligtht SEC schedule. Schedules are imabalanced, so stats can deceive. OSU better get back down to earth and off cloud nine real fast. Will need edge and underdog mentality against Oregon.
Dudes, Indiana had like 65 yards passing until 3 mins left in the game. You’re seriously going to just list off Rourke’s stats without any mention of the 2 garbage time TDs against soft zone coverage?
Also, when listing off who could compete with OSU, they left out the team ranked above them in FPI (at the time). So, hating on ND is par for the course.
He likely is just looking at the stats without having watched the entire game.
@@TStew422this is what happens when the biggest game you’ve won in 30 years is against Indiana.
These guys suck make excuses for everything they really need to go to these games see with their eyes not just crunching numbers!
These dudes are complete hacks.
Guys for the PSU v SMU game it was like a real feel of 12 degrees with 20 mph winds. Passing and kicking was not going to be effective IMO.
Yep. Try kicking a football in that wind when your foot is going numb. Come up north and find out.
Yep
I know I was actually there unlike these 🤓
I think there is a little stat watching here. Drew Allar threw 1 pass in the 2nd half. Backup RBs had 7 carries for 13 yds. Penn St clearly called that game after it was 21-0 in a way that would make sure players stayed healthy.
Can't really hit Allar's stats or the run game yardages. After the two pick 6's, it was essentially over. PSU's defense really took over, and it changed the whole calculus of PSU's offense. Like, legitimately 3 qtrs of garbage time.
Yup. You know this if you watch the games and don't stat watch. Penn State could have won by at least 49 if they chose to, same for Ohio State. Those teams were getting 3s and 4s reps.
Daniel- what were you watching man? Ohio state absolutely manhandled tennessee in the trenches
Right, OSU scored 42 points against their defense and sent in their subs in at the 10 minute mark of the 4th qtr! Pass blocking was exceptional. Howard had all day and only got pressured one time when he got the face mask penalty.
The Tennessee DL was getting blown off the LOS 5 and 10 yards in some cases. Did SEC fans just close their eyes during that game? 🤣
They don't really watch only look at stats!
@@KeepChoppin There were some pass plays where Pierce and others beat the OSU oline. Howard was actually under pressure on almost half his throws. He just handled it really well and had surprising accuracy.
@@andrewmueller9986 you're wrong. Howard only got pressured about 25% of his throws
Half of Tennessees rush yards came after Ohio state put backups in. That’s rough
So what's the harm in having 12 teams/too many teams? Let it be decided on the field. I think 8-12 getting blown out shows that it's the right cutoff. No need to go larger. If we went say 8 teams, people would be saying some of those teams should have made it in. This settles it.
If we were less than 8, then OSU wouldn't have made it. And obviously they have a case they could win it all. 12 feels perfect.
And the on campus atmospheres were amazing! I loved it. :)
Didn’t expect Nebraska to be catching strays in the playoff discussion video 💔
Did you watch the ND/IU game?
Stop reading stats!!!!!!!
Rourke was below 50% and had 0 TDs, 1 Int & 145 yards until 1:30 left in the game!!!!
Then ND shut things down.
Rourke did not outplay Leonard!
They did not. Doesn’t fit their narrative
Zero mention of the freezing weather when talking about how unimpressed you were with Leonard and Allar. Not surprised.
Disagree that Tennessee did a good job pressuring Howard. Plenty of times Howard was able to wait for dovers and seam routes to open up. Very little pressure on him in passing situations overall.
Tennessee's defensive line wasn't nearly as good as Michigan's was, that's the key. The team that beats these suckeyes will be a great defensive line that punches through that OL.
Josh, what are you talking about “just like we predicted” about every game being a blowout. The only game you actually predicted to be a blowout was the closest of the four games.
Does anyone know how to give one TH-cam video 10 thumbs down.
Clemson scored 24 points NOT because y'all said the game wouldn't be close. Clemson scored late??? Their last touchdown came with 11:43 in the game, you may have gotten them confused with Indiana scoring late tds. Y'all did point out that Marah was out so their running game was not very effective, although Clemson hasn't ran the ball great all year, but they were down 2 scores for most of the game. What football team isn't going to attempt 43 passes with those circumstances??? Quin Ewers just had 46 attempts in the SEC championship game, not because they needed to throw that many times to score 19 points, because their rushing attack was not effective at all. Klubnik played really well, only interception was tipped high in the air at the line of scrimmage. Klubnik made some really nice throws in that 2nd half and the receiver Moore made some really nice catches.
The Texas defense bailed Sarkisian out. Had Clemson scored on 3rd and goal or 4th and goal to make it 38-31 I'm afraid he would have made some bone headed calls to give Clemson a chance to tie that game at 38. Clemson played the best game of the losing playoff teams because their coaching staff had playoff experience and Klubnik played inspired ball. Also helped that they didn't have to deal with freezing temps.
Klubnic is not a mediocre QB. 36 passing touchdowns, 7 on the ground, and a ton of passing yards this year. Ya'll must be stuck on last year. It's apparent you haven't watched Clemson this year other than this game. He has been a good all year. He just threw for over three hundred yards on the best defense in college football. He will be a Heisman front-runner next year.
I gotta say this loud. Getting blown out on national television in a playoff game DOES NOT help with recruiting! It didn’t help Michigan state, Cincinnati, Washington, TCU, etc.
Yep. Indiana started playing conservative to at least try to limit damage to recruiting and NIL-donations.
I don't know if it really hurts or helps, but making the playoffs probably improves the resources the school gets from the fans. TCU and UW are in the top 25 recruiting right now. That's not blowing anyone away, but maybe better than it would be otherwise.
If you think playing in these games doesn't help programs, you're delusional
Cincinnati's head coach got a better job and they were able to joina p4 conference. Wtf are you talking about? MSU'S all time winningest coach retired. Its a huge boost for these schools getting play in these games. Resources recruiting the whole thing.
@@ferg_life3841 Cincinnati is a product of conference realignment. If Texas and Oklahoma hadn’t announced they were leaving that barren wasteland back in ‘21, they wouldn’t have added all those G5 schools
It doesn't seem like y'all truly watched these games as much as y'all just read the boxscore
Keep in mind, PSU lost 2 first quarter offensive possessions from the pick sixes. That likely effected Allar’s stats significantly.
Yea. Took away his chances to screw it up! lol
@ True! Or maybe they should have left Allar in for a fourth quarter to beat SMU 50+ to 3… They put on the 2-3rd stringer for the end of third and fourth quarter where SMU scored their only touchdown.
The wind was bad during the game. It really effected both qbs
Good new for Penn State & Allar, the remaining games are all in domes which Allar does significantly better in (see Oregon game)
We mainly cited to yards/attempt stats, and included the number of attempts when citing total passing yards, for this reason. He and Rourke threw just about the same number of passes.
Daniel was preaching!!! If we couldn't find 4 great teams in the 4-team playoffs, why would you expand to 12. Facts! This expansion was/is dumb and it's gonna get a lot of programs embarrassed and demoralized and could set back progress or program momentum. Indiana got a new, ambitious head coach and he did a fantastic job with that team, but it was obvious in the Ohio State game, they ain't got the players. Tennessee had a good year, but they ain't got the players yet. It's levels. I'm afraid for Boise State and Arizona State.
I disagree. I love the 12 team cfp. It's made the season better and raised teams prospects. NIL is bringing parity and this adds to greater possibilities for more teams. The Nerds are totally wrong on this one.
Ask any program if they are too demoralized to want to go to the playoff. Thats such a silly take. You are simply complaining about extra football, even if the teams you expect to win still win it. If we still had a 4 team playoff, ohio state would have been left out, after just showing they might be the favorite to win it all.
Ohio State was a great team last year and got left out of the playoffs. The problem is there's always a team or two just outside of the top 4 that are arguably better than some of the top 4. Ohio State absolutely was last year. A bowl game they felt was meaningless (QB left the team, star WR opted out, etc.) doesn't prove otherwise, either. Their resume leading up to the playoffs was a loss on the road to the #1 seed by a single score with a couple of good wins (Notre Dame, Penn State). Michigan beat the two teams they played in the playoffs worse than they beat Ohio State at home. Ohio State absolutely belonged in that playoff. 4 teams just isn't enough when a home vs. road game gets to decide who gets in the playoffs.
So who should the 4 teams have been this year??
4 - not enough, 12 - too many... Will anyone use common sense and go to 8?
Not only did Ohio State play Nebraska after Oregon, but Ohio State had Penn State the next week (both on the road as well). It was the ultimate trap game.
Yeah but Chip Kelly had no brain in that game. Trap game or not its fair to criticize them for only scoring 20 on a mid defense.
I think Ohio State had the week off before the Nebraska game, but OSU always plays poorly after an off week.
Tell me you didn’t watch the Notre Dame game without telling me you didn’t watch it. Bragging about getting the score right given the way the game unfolded at the end is extremely ridiculous too. You’re not making ND fans mad by being right, you just get so many details wrong and that’s what makes them upset. Plenty to ding ND on if you’re actually paying attention.
This is the best video of the year from you guys. Y'all will catch some heat for these hot takes but your are spot on.
My boys in the scarlet and gray look like they’re starting to peak at the right time. If they continue to run the offense through Jeremiah Smith and Emeka Egbuka alongside that elite defense then we’ll win the National Title. O-H!
Yea 10 minutes ago you were wanting to fire your coach and the world was ending.
N-O! Go blue!
@@thebiscuit7725the internet sort of baffles me. People constantly take what the loud goal minority online says, then applies it to literally tens of millions. No. We didn’t all want to fire Ryan day. Go outside.
@@Evan-qb6vrwho you guys got on new years?
@@Ricey167 Bama
I didn’t think the Ohio State Tennessee game was boring. I was there. I was dancing the whole time laughing having a good old time. I thought it was a blast.
I have a lot of negative comments about the CNN of football, ESPN. So I will mostly hold back except for social media. I did expect more fight from Tennessee.
ND fan and season ticket holder since 2017. I work at Ohio State and grew up in Ohio. You guys are one of my favorite TH-cam channels! Keep doing what you are doing. Regarding ND in the past. Those teams that made it to big games made it vs. some generational teams. 2012 Bama That Clemson Team, we played to a stalemate until our 1 corner went out with an injury, and Clemson picked on the replacement. We also played against some unreal QBs and did not have one ourselves. We are a really good program. Just not elite. We have closed the gap as far as depth. We need to hit on a QB to add an explosive element to the offense.
12 team format is the best option IMO. Guarantees the teams capable of winning it all get in. Rewards Cinderella seasons with a playoff spot. Allows a team that may have struggled a bit to play their way in by winning their conference championship. Add reseeding and your set.
Ohio State played like an elite team for the first time this year. Kudos. Im pretty sure they beat anyone if they perform that way again. Tennessee along with most other teams, lose in the same fashion if Ohio State plays that way.
Good analysis guys.
Jumping ahead, give me semis of Texas v OSU and PSU v ND.
Dude, you piss off ND and Penn State fans bc you only look at numbers and nothing else. It was 12• with 15-25mph winds at Beaver stadium and you mention none of that when it comes to the passing game
They don't go to any of these games probably barely watch them just crunch numbers!
Tell me your didn’t watch the ND-Indiana game ….
ND is in a tournament. Up 27-3 with 4 mins and change to go they played a prevent D, substituted and went as vanilla is possible with Georgia in the horizon. IU pass game did nothing to ND in the 56 minutes the were and actual game.
I love y’all this is the best keep it up guys love the break downs
For what it’s worth: it would not have mattered when OSU played mich this year. The loss wasn’t a product of a letdown game after a big game. Day and co. just have a mental block when it comes to that game.
The Nebraska game does prove your point tho. Granted, there was more to that than big game hangover. Breaking in several new offensive lineman against what was a good defensive line wasn’t exactly ideal.
This, if Day would have coached that game like he did Oregon or Indiana or Tennessee the outcome would have been wildly different, but he tried to run the ball down their throats and forgot about all the weapons they have on the outside.
Your theory is wrong. Because we are seeing a 7/8 seed that could win it all. Even if Ohio State was #5/6 they still get left out. The 12 team playoff allows for this exact situation where the best team started slow, lost a dumb game, and would get left out typically. The 12 team allows for a mulligan for that team to recalibrate and claim a championship.
Ohio State being mis-seeded doesn't make an argument for 12 team CFP field.
@@CollegeFootballNerdsbut were they mis seeded?
Yes. 100% agree. 12 cfp is the best setup so far. Needs a tweak tho...but this is a fun year.
@@galvanaut7119 8 might be enough. Too much crying tho.
Why play a regular season?
Would y’all’s four be Oregon UGA OSU Tex or would you replace Tex with Penn state or Notre dame.
Two things are true:
The seeding was wrong this year and the expansion to 12 was unnecessary.
I think 8 teams would have been perfect
@CC-bm3wb I agree
@@BrianGlazeI respectively disagree. I think having 12 team playoff ensures that the best 8 teams get in the playoff. I would rather have blowouts then have one team being controversial left out
Curious question for everyone. Which postseason format would you prefer:
A. One where zero non-elite teams get in, but elite teams occasionally get left out
B. One where every elite team gets in, but some non-elite teams always get in too
By "elite teams," I mean those capable of winning a national championship that year.
what's hard though is that if some of those elite teams have to play useless games and game changing players get hurt then you really don't end up with the best team winning at the end you end up with the deepest or luckiest elite team. It adds in variables that really shouldn't matter.
If an elite Ohio State team gets left out of the playoffs because they lost to Michigan that's on them. Crush someone in a bowl game. The regular season should matter and it matters waayyyy less using the current format.
The issue is, I saw nothing that tells me that Tennessee is better than SMU, Indiana or Clemson. Because they beat a mediocre alabama team? In the end you couldve picked any SEC team to fill any of the losers spots and they wouldve got dog walked, just like TN. The reason this playoff works is because you get to see if OSU is the best team with two losses, in which your 6 team model would leave them out. The goal posts will shift again when ND beats Georgia, to what ifs about their QB situation. Explain FPI when Bama #4 lost to #26 OU by 21 points. This is why people say the SEC is undefeated in hypothetical situations.
Very good comment. I agreed with bama getting in playoffs last year and was happy these guys did but I see they are just biased towards the sec now.
Personally, I think that in the long run a 12 team field will make college football more competitive, especially combined with NIL and the transfer portal.
As an OSU fan I gotta pump the brakes a bit. Being up 21 made Tennessee throw the gameplan away offensively and defensively. Credit to OSU, but I would expect them to have to defend the run and pass all game from here on out. Tennessee needs the threat of run for the pass to work with their wide split offense. I am glad OSU flushed the UM game that was my biggest concern for a hangover.
Love you guys! Hope you have a Merry Christmas and especially Josh with baby’s first Christmas!
Here's the thing: we see elite NFL teams with rosters all much closer than they are in CFB have one game where they blow out a good team, then get blown out themselves. Even on the best teams they can very often still have blowout losses.
People trying to say if we narrow it to two or four we might get only "good games" or better match ups and less blowouts. That doesn't even factor into me. They might still happen. Two elite teams as you know, one with a weakness against the pass the other one with a pass threat can make that 30 points and suddenly you get arguments "they didn't belong", but it might still be possible that blowout loss was still the team that was the best all around that year, but they simply got seeded against the team that happens to have enough strengths just where they are weakest. Take for example the 2008-9 patriots. Are you going to say we think the Giants were the best team that year? Hell no, the Patriots came to the SB undefeated for a reason.
Do I think it's bad that people undeserving compared to those who did "earn it" get a shot? I don't think so. I say 64 teams, and let it go mike leach style, and there's all your bowls. The bottom 32, the 16-32, and the 16 in the first round of games. It would make way better bowls, and brackets like that would make the games more compelling. But even if we were to get only 16 teams, I would take it.. because I'm looking for a different thing than I guess. And I think it's better that way. You're not going to make blowouts not happen even if it was only two. A look at bcs or before that national champions show us that.
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The answer is simple. You need more teams to help ensure the best teams get in. We're just going to have to be ok with some additional blowouts. That's the tradeoff.
A broader point for the overall discussion is that it's always about money. Always. PSU vs SMU as a playoff game generated more money than if it were a traditional bowl game. Being part of the playoff was the only interesting thing about it for casual viewers (the majority).
Stop with the non sense. Leonard was miles better than rourke when the game mattered. Rourke’s yardage and TDs came in garbage time after Al golden called off the dogs.
They hate ND so much and I dont know why and I'm not a ND fan. That talk about brand bias in the preview video was weird.
Ohio state had four rushing touchdowns and ran for 150.
GIVE ME MORE!!! Expand these playoffs to 16 teams. No bye's, 1vs16, 2vs15, etc....8 home playoff games YES PLEASE!!! Your favorite overrated SEC team gets in and has to go to Autzen or Columbus or South Bend for game 1. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give me more. To speak a little more on the SEC snubs, look Oklahoma was 3-6 against power 5 teams and beat Bama by 21. The same would have happened in South Bend or Columbus (both have better defenses than Oklahoma) "we beat Georgia..." yes, you got the W, but after watching that game 3 different times now, Georgia was clearly the better team for 38 minutes. Bama played perfect football for about 22 minutes and got a ridiculously lucky catch from a phenom that he turned into 6 points...otherwise, that game would have been remembered as how Bama blew a 28-0 lead. By the way, that was the only 22 minutes of GREAT football that the Tide played the entire season (sans LSU). Moving on, Kentucky had 1 SEC win....ONE, ONE, ONE....Lane, sit down and win at home please. You have no excuses, you lost to a mediocre Florida team and a team thats only credible win was against the MAC champ. Here is the kicker, everybody respected your D and had you beaten Kentucky or Florida. YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN. Win the games, don't tell me how great you are, WIN THE EFFING GAMES!!! That makes you great, beat the guy in front of you. IDC about your greatest victory (very impressive 28-10), I care about your floor. And your floor is getting beat AT HOME by a team that couldn't beat anybody else in the SEC. The one guy i respect in all this is Shane Beamer, he manned up took personal accountability (are you listening Lane) and said we should have won. the Cocks also had a game stolen from them (LSU) so they have the biggest gripe and did the least amount of complaining. So yeah, i loved the first round, i predicted an tOSU blowout, just because Ryan day offense always scores 41+ in the first round of the playoffs (check the history books) and I didn't think the Vols could put up 14 against that D....my bad they got 17, just being transparent. I told my buddy, the 22' Georgia D had 8 NFL players and Day put up 41. And as good as Tennessee D was this year, they are not as good as the 22' Bulldogs team. So give me 16....i love March Madness and number one always beats number 64 (except Purdue) by 57...and I love watching it. Give me 16, 16, 16...The one caveat i would cut out in the 16.....would be conference champs (must be ranked in the top 16) get guaranteed homefield, but your stadium must seat 60,000. Or your home game is the closest stadium that can seat 60K....
I'm a huge notre dame fan and like your analysis quite a bit.
Great not elite is a perfect way to describe ND.
Their oline, running game and defense are almost always as good as any in the country. But, the deficiencies at QB and WR always hold them back
Might be enough to win it all this year. Everyone except Ohio State has pretty major flaws. Ohio State has some minor flaws (mainly the ability to kick field goals), too, but Henderson, Simon, Ransom, Tuimoloau, Sawyer, Tyleik, Egbuka, all easily NFL guys that returned to make this run, so it's no surprise they're loaded on both sides. And Ohio State has to play through Oregon and Texas to get to Notre Dame. One slip up and it's anyone's championship to win, imo.
I don’t think anyone this year is elite TBH l.
OSU did look elite in round one though
If Ohio State plays like this each of the next few games nobody can beat them... that defense is legit. Great video guys.. Merry Christmas everyone!! 🎅🎄
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I wouldn’t go as far as to say nobody can beat them, but I would say that they can beat anybody. I know that is semantics, and they looked as good or better than any team in the country against Tennessee, but the best version of Texas, Georgia (QB pending more data points), and Oregon would still be a challenge for the best version of the Ohio State team. I’m also, wondering if OSU can sustain that level of play. They have been fairly inconsistent throughout the year (play a poor half, then blow out the team in the second half) and as you said, their ceiling is national championship caliber, but the question is can they sustain that for four quarters through four games with the hardest bracket through the playoffs?
@@Ethandavisbakerthey did it in playoff 1 with cardale jones..
Think it can’t be replicated. Ohio state literally is the best example used for “level up”
Translation: If Ryan Day stays out of the way.
“If “ is a huge word.
@@tennisace40 whatever it takes to make you feel better from the couch... and knowing the world watched what we did to you.
What measure do you prefer for team talent? Is it overall (247 Team Composite)? Is it industry recruiting average for key positions (OL, DL, WRs, etc)?
Doesn't 247 account for positional value
ND fan here. This was a great video. A very even keeled examination of what happened, and what is likely, based on what is measurable, and what is observable. This video is why I keep coming back to hear from you fellas. Cheers.
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You people are SEC that’s why you all picked Penn st by only 3 Don’t talk Penn st football you don’t no shit!
No, we both actually thought SMU was a better team than they are. We thought the 1st half of Clemson was an anomaly. Just like one of us picking Indiana vs Notre Dame, the feeling was more good about SMU/Indiana than saying anything bad about PSU or ND.
@@CollegeFootballNerdsWhat really annoys us is that you appear to have not actually watched the games involving non-SEC teams. I.e. The Rourke stats despite him doubling his totals in the last 2 meaningless minutes of the game amd dumping on Allar's stats despite an environment that made throwing the ball down field extremely risky in a game that was won in the 1st quarter where he didn't have to push the downfield at all and sat the entire 4th quarter.
@@CollegeFootballNerdsYou also completely gloss over the fact that GA's offense, and Beck in particular, are much greater liabilities to a supposed title contender. You'll mention them in the same breath as Oregon and OSU as if they have actually done something against a mediocre defense, but then crush PSU and ND for coasting to 3 score leads without having to lift a finger and taking their foot off the gas. Texas, to me, is basically Tennessee with an easier schedule as well. What has Ewers and that offense done in a game that leads you to believe they can score 17 points on OSU, ND, or PSU? Context and apples to apples is what gets people worked up. Pretty pumped that this GA team you think is somehow a hair off of OSU and Oregon has to potentially go thru ND and PSU teams that you say are not on their level.
@@justinb6348It’s hard to take a James Franklin team seriously in big games and not take a Kirby Smart team seriously in big games given the 2 histories. One of them loses on every single big stage and the other has been money basically anytime they face anyone except Nick Saban.
@@justinb6348The other issue with Penn State (and Notre Dame), is they haven’t really beaten anybody while Georgia got through the toughest schedule in the country with an extremely flawed team by their own standards and still won the conference. Beat current title favorite Texas twice, smashed ACC champion Clemson, essentially gave Ohio State the blueprint for how to beat Tennessee. Penn State went 0-2 against the 2 remaining teams and outside of a fast start against Ohio State never looked like they’d win either game.
The wind really hurt the qbs in the Penn state SMU game. The crowd had Jennings rattled in the 2nd quarter
I will agree it was Allars worst game of the season. However, it was 10 degrees out with 20 to 30 mph winds. Kicking was abysmal and punting. I'll give Allar a pass for this game we've seen him against much better secondaries and defenses he's done well. It wasn't too long ago I Remeber Josh giving Ohio state a pass for terrible weather and extreme wind conditions against Northwestern a few years back. Josh Pate even sides with what my analysis is. 20 to 30mph winds absolutely affect the ball in the air. No way both of them looked meh. Even Jennings was affected. If Allar looks bad and throws for 127 against Josh I'll start admitting maybe you're on to something. Right now you have 1 game he genuinely looked terrible against a lesser opponent. Slow down a bit with the gotcha moment. Also PSU running backs both ran for nearly 6.5 yards per carry. Sacks accounted in we were just under 5 at 4.7 which isn't bad against SMU top 5 Rush Defense which was conveniently left out.
You already know jm gonna comment.
Here's Allar's games against ranked opponents (YPA)
- 7.6
- 3.1
- 4.5
- 4.5
- 5.8
- 5.4
- 7.3
- 6.4
@CollegeFootballNerds my bad so Only games you want to count. Not all the games matter? Why pick and choose? Let's see the rushing numbers for most of those games. Especially in their wins. There are alot of games where he was effective/efficient and PFF shows that. Psu is not a team that's trying to throw for 350 yards a game. They want to play ball control and not take shots even if they can. I've seen Michigan numerous times beat elite teams and win a natty playing ball control and not being amazing passing team or having elite WRs. PSU hasn't been a deep shot WR based offense since Mcsorley and Barkley. The reality is They don't have the caliber of WRs they did. Its not always on Allar. This game he was off. Let's see what he does against Boise State. Cause I know for fact if he goes off or has a good day. You'll make an excuse. It won't count. Doesn't matter. It's just boise state. There's never a middle ground. Whenever he does good it never counts. When he does bad You're absolutely right.
Allar statistically and PFF wise is the best QB down in the bottom half bracket.
My issue with you guys is you will leave out certain stats or disregard certain stats that disprove or challenge your points. I'm not an angry PSU fan I'm quite realistic. I think PSU, ND, UGA are quite the same team this year. Anyone of them make it will be hard for them to win the natty.
Give Penn state. OSU WRs or Oregons i bet you they're the team to beat this year.
@@CollegeFootballNerds can you also explain why OSU was granted a pass in extreme weather conditions and PSU was not with winds up to 30mph? They don't get a pass too? That's interesting. I watch your videos. I have pretty good memory. This is my biggest issue is you'll make up rules for certain teams and won't apply it across the board.
@@CollegeFootballNerds These are facts! Apart from the stats the eye test does show Allar is improved with pocket presence to avoid sacks and using his feet to extend drives. Just wanting to see if the downfield passing can improve against the better teams next year. But for certain there was improvement is a few aspects of his game
@@larryizpr0 known, admitted, and accepted Penn State and Allar haters. Best to just open the video, downvote it, leave. They didn't say anything positive about Penn State.
Great episode. The long ones are the best.
Joel klatt made a great point about the blowouts. Even in the NFL last year the average margin of victory for the last round was 17.5 points. That doesn't mean there should be less playoff teams.
I think comparing the raw statistics of Leonard and Rourke as a way to indicate Rourke had a better game is incredibly dishonest analysis. If you watched the game, Rourke racked up about 110-120 yards and both of his touchdowns with less than two minutes left in the game. Al Golden stated after the game that at that point he didn’t see a need to show anymore exotic blitzes on film and ND went into essentially a prevent to burn the rest of the clock.
This is a fair comment, but the greater point was that Allar just didn’t do much in the game
@@CollegeFootballNerdsit was 20 degrees with 20mph winds and he had a 3 score lead and only played 3 quarters. What OC in his right mind would send in ANY play calls for an aggressive passing attack? Context guys... this is what infuriates us. when you use simplistic stats like ypc or ypa to gauge the quality of a quarterback instead of taking into account clutch plays to keep a drive alive, conditions, play calling, or game situations
Well, this is how the 12-team playoffs are gonna start... Not a single fun game for neutral fans to watch...
It really needs to be 8
@@johnbochenek5526fuck, people would piss and moan and cry and complain and blowouts would still happen often. 8 made sense but we're at 12. Fucking let it be for a decade or so damn.
You guys would sound a lot more plausible if you had said some of these things BEFORE the games. Go back and review your preview of the ND/Indiana game. Where was there even a hint that Indiana didn’t belong in the tournament. Look at what your model predicted. Look at what YOU predicted.
I’m an ND fan who has enjoyed getting your take on the previous big ND games you’ve covered. Your analysis of ND/Indiana has been the poorest I’ve seen you do. And getting defensive, instead of figuring out how you could have been so wrong, isn’t helping.
Also, will say, Jennings has an amazing arm and release..maybe with another year he can avoid a few more mistakes. He DID have a lot of pressure on him.
Love the segment where Josh discussed why defenses are dropping pass rushers into the short passing lanes on RPOs. It doesnt get discussed enough.
I agree with you both that the playoff shouldn’t have expanded but honestly this year it more of an indictment on the structure which caused incorrect seeding and matchups, there is no reasons why OSU should have been the 8 seed, matchups like SMU vs Arizona St, or Boise and Indiana would be really interesting in my opinion but the format force byes to worse teams and kicks out the better ones
They should have more than four teams in the playoffs with players staying in the NCAA because of NIL.
Tennessee’s O-line clearly could not play with OSUs D-line
Did you two even watch the OSU vs TN game? Ffs, TN was manhandled and dominated
Nah I think that we lost the Michigan game cause of a pre determined play calling that we were gonna do no matter what. But I do agree with your overall point
Its pretty obvious Day did not let Chip kelly be creative or up tempo in that Michigan game and it was disastrous. He wanted to "tough" He got psyop/baited by Sherrone Moore.
It looked Kellys brain died or it was Day calling the plays.
The problem is the CFP is not just for the most elite teams. It’s for most elite and most deserving. Florida State last year was the final straw. The AD’s / commissioners who created this system wanted to include the most deserving teams. Fans need to understand this is the system we have. We’re not going back to four teams
I'm impressed. You guys confirmed 1 of things I've been saying all along, the I'm impressed. You guys confirmed 1 of things I've been saying all along, the expanded playoff benefits high blue chip ratio teams that maybe had an off year like Ohio state this year More than any other teams
I disagree on that Ohio State A game would defeat Penn State worse than Tennessee due to the fact that OSU and Penn State play every year and it is usually a one score game. Data supports my argument more often than not.
I’d argue that Penn State in general, when comparing against the same teams like the game against PSU that they are indeed a tier above Tennessee.
Guys tip of the hat for good work on this video. I watch so many different perspectives
on college football. You are not always right, but you look at things even handedly
without an overarching agenda . The same cannot be said for Joel Klatt .
He is literally celebrating this past weekends results, when we all knew it could
have been better. Blowouts yes will NOT be something that will cease in any scenario.
But four bad games does tell me the work this committee put in was not good.
Josh you were very justified in being angry at how inconsistent they were.
And this next round we hope to have a couple good games right? There are folk
with whom this is alright. I'm glad to know you guys think a lot differently.
Unfortunately the comments devolve among fans focusing on Alabama.
That is such a distraction from the larger issue. What a team looks like at the end
of their schedule should be more defining that it was. As a Georgia fan I don't have a
dog in this particular fight. But South Carolina was the team with three losses that
should have gone in over SMU. They were the hot team. Ole Miss and Alabama both
had recent losses. And besides this the LSU controversial loss should have been
somewhat discounted. If we had had SC vs Penn St there is little doubt it would have
been a more compelling game. Your views on SC might be different I don't know.
But I do know that how teams finish has to matter. It is a much more reliable predictor
than won loss record is . SMU looked bad against Clemson before the comeback.
The ending of their season vs Penn State proved in no way were they surging at the end.
The only reason they got there is the committee boxed themselves in with their statements.
How was Nebraska hanging with OSU?
I do think it should be 8 teams. Due to how realignment making schedules harder for teams. But before realignment yes I think 6 is good.
Always great videos, thanks! One point I would make is that if you want more parity, then you need to keep the Playoffs as a possibility for more teams. It will help even out recruiting over time. In any case, I enjoyed the games in any case! (Of course, as a Penn State fan, I would.) The SMU fans COME WITH THE MONEY!! Whoo Boy, they actually exceeded the jet/plane parking spaces at the State College airport and late arrivals with private aircraft were diverted to Williamsport, about a 1.5 hour drive away! That kind of money WILL make a difference!
This argument has never panned out though. Teams like Michigan State, Washington, TCU, Cincinnati that reached up to the playoffs and got blown out saw zero statistical improvement in recruiting afterwards
Given the expansion, your argument about there only being 5-6 contenders/year kinda guts your conclusions. How does it hurt that point to have more teams and have first round “tune ups” for the elite teams? Again, if at the end of the day, it will only be the same 5-6, then expansion does absolutely nothing to undermine that. You’ll still get to same place by your logic. It’s literally one extra game. Unless this really is just a backdoor argument to include Ole Miss or Bama, “no animals were harmed in the making of this product”…
(Fwiw, Diehard Buckeye. And okay with a 4 or 6 teamer. Not a fan of expansion even though we benefitted this year, I would trade it for the long term bc I don’t want watered down regular season.)
The seeding needs to be recalibrated, but the field should be expanded even more up to 16 so we can get rid of the byes and have two weeks of on-site games. The 1st round of any playoff is rarely competitive. Are you familiar with March Madness? Have you watched the Hornets get swept by the Celtics in the 1st round of the NBA Playoffs seemingly every year for the last twenty? The 1st round exists to give teams that earned it a very low-percentage shot at being a cinderella. Blowouts are to be expected.
One of the key phrases in this presentation: People are going to get mad or people are mad. A lot of defensive posturing. You guys know what you are doing. Don't apologize UNLESS you totally blow x or y point. I enjoy y'alls banter. Is there any way you can work in game video to illustrated the data. Like an O line that is constantly blowing a D line away. Don't only tell us, show us. Be more work, and maybe copyright prohibits. Thx for your show.
This gets back to the issue is point out after osu.. yes PSU has a Franklin problem.. but who do you get that could replace him and be an upgrade.
Guys, the nfl is the same. Look it up. Its just fun to have a playoff……..
And if im not mistaken didnt you guys put out a tweet during the georgia and georgia tech game saying that neither georgia or alabama deserved to be in the playoffs?
I seriously doubt that
@CollegeFootballNerds let me apologize if misconstrued this tweet
"Thank goodness we expanded the playoffs to 12. I really needed to see this Georgia team or Alabama or Arizona State in a competition where they had a season worthy of competing for a championship at the end"
You guys sound real confident in the team that won the best conference
Agree, OSU at their best is the best in the field, but they also play with a wider range than everyone else, specifially, on offense. Save a horrendous outing by Denzel Burke against Oregon, the defense has been consistently outstanding. The offensive coaching, o-line play (with injuries) and QB play, on the other hand, has had huge fluctuations in performance.
Love the rants!
Appreciate you all always calling out that there are levels to this stuff. Fans of lesser programs that rarely/never make the playoffs don't understand that there are no Cinderella stories in college football. The only teams that win championships are the elite of the elite. SMU and Indiana had a 0% chance to win a Natty the moment week 1 kicked off. They can't win. They don't have the requisite trench talent/size. Even the "great but not elite" teams like Tenn and PSU have almost no chance. The best team in college football, by the end of the year (This matters), is often the best by a wide margin. If you're not the best by a wide margin, you're almost definitely not winning it all.
You think Tennessee could play with Ohio state? Oh. God, go back and rewatch.
I think Daniel hit the nail on the head. 6 teams feels right based off years past in the sense of A.) teams that can actually win it, and B.) good enough teams that are deserving to be in the field. The first and last years of the 4 team playoff 2014 and 2023 would’ve been perfect for 6 teams (still salty about 2014 TCU). As a UGA fan I’d be biased and say the years we were good enough to win but got bounced in the SEC championship game so we dropped out of the four keeps us in the discussion. Unfortunately this sport is driven by people who are succumbed by money and ratings and we will never reduce the field
The problem with a 4 team playoff... last year Ohio State arguably beats Michigan on a neutral field. Ohio State was left out of the playoffs. People can say they didn't win in a meaningless bowl game to Mizzou so they didn't belong, but their starting QB left, their star WR opted out, their starting C didn't play, etc. OSU clearly didn't value that game like they would have a playoff game (or even a regular season game), so it's silly to judge them for it. They belonged in that playoff and Michigan beat everyone in the playoff worse than they beat OSU at home. If OSU had multiple losses, fine, but they didn't. One loss to #1 by a single score on the road was their resume. The playoffs should exist to allow teams with a resume like that a second chance so it doesn't just come down to who gets the home game in a rivalry game and they failed last year.
Great show, guys!
Some bowl games are good indicators. But Ohio State vs Missouri was not. OSUs offense was non functional and it was largely do to not having a QB who took the first team reps all year. That certainly changes things. Don't hold that against OSU at all
Tennessee-Ohio State was basically Alabama-Tennessee, except they had a QB who could hit open receivers. OSU played the second toughest schedule in the playoff, after Georgia. Tennessee played the second easiest, after Indiana.
I think you could make the case Tex was easier than Tenn. Tex played an identical conference slate but replaced Alabama with TAMU.
@ Texas’s schedule gets a boost by playing Michigan and Georgia twice. Tennessee played a horrible NC State and only played Georgia once. Bama is better than A&M but not by as much of a margin as Michigan vs NC State
Nearly all years there are only maybe 5 teams that can actually win it, same in basketball, but everyone needs to calm down its only the first year and the nil machine aint slowing down. The sport is still evolving
How does Tennessee’s D rank now?
I agree that the talent gap between PSU and OSU is pretty great but the familiarity between the programs plays a lot into the match up. OSU can't blow out PSU and if PSU converts inside the 5 either time they got down there the conversation about PSU is completely different. I know they didn't so that validates dumping on PSU, but i honestly think they're a much more dangerous and complete team than GA, ND, or Texas
Agreed Josh. Some think that because Tennessee was destroyed by Ohio State, that means Tennessee is a bad team. I would argue that Tennessee, Notre Dame, and Penn State are a similar level. If Ohio State plays like they did yesterday against any of them....they beat them the same way. There is a difference between Elite - Great - Really Good. Ohio State played in an elite manner. Tennessee, ND, and PSU can not play like that.
Penn state plays ohio state every year and hasn't lost that bad in over a decade but cope on brother
And this ohio state team is around middle of the road of their last 10 teams
SEC bias…when was the last time Ohio State blew out Penn State? These guys especially Josh lies and say Penn State gets blown out by OSU every year. Penn State is Always competitive against Ohio State. No way they get a beat down like mighty ole SEC Tennessee got
Back to the Drew Allar hate after playing in 20 degree weather 😂 these clowns are gonna die on this hill devoid of all context. They still assert he was bad in the Oregon game despite what your eyes are telling you and a mediocre WR core. They just throw a YPA stat out and act like that means u didn’t see what you saw.
Couldn't agree more.. they don't know ball.. they stare at a computer and numbers and think they can tell everyone how a game is going to go.. their mighty computer model had psu losing to SMU by 2... Tells ya all ya need to know about these guys
Come on, just say you didn’t watch the game. Rourke did NOT have a better game
Instead of saying that we shouldn't have 12 teams because of these blowouts, wouldn't it make more sense to stop the top 4 conference champions from getting BYEs? I think more than anything, Boise State playing SMU/Tennessee/Clemson provides a closer first round game. Same with ASU against the 9-12 teams. If Ohio State ends up a top 4 team with a BYE, the team that makes it through the first round doesn't get blow out by OSU. Same for if Texas was top 4 playing the winner of the first round.
Completely agree with your proposed model of 6 teams. It’s the most logical I’ve heard
I'm an OSU season ticket holder and have been to every home game plus a few away games. There may be some recency bias here, but Tennessee appeared to be one of the worst teams Ohio State has played all year (including our weak out of conference schedule). On defense, their front was wildly overrated, and their back end was one of the slowest I've ever seen. On offense, that was easily one of the softest olines we have faced all year. Offensive lines at Iowa, Nebraska, and even Northwestern gave us a tougher time. Their receiving core was pathetic. Nico was the only player on that team who competed. It's too bad we don't get to play another middle of the pack SEC team in these playoffs, pretty clear that conference is not competitive outside of a couple teams.
Don’t think it would have changed the outcome but Sampson was a huge loss for Tennessee. Let the SEC in rushing and averaged 5.8 ypc. Definitely didn’t have the rb depth osu has. Which is probably the best 1-2 in the country.
@@SandyFlamingothis is what a lot of Ohioans said for years that cold weather DOES affect southern teams! Say all you want about Tenn got cold weathers too but clearly we saw how they reacted slow in the COLDer environment in Ohio Stadium!
These guys are talking about how Ohio State is elite and can win it all and that we only need 6 teams but don’t realize the elephant in the room that Ohio State technically was like 4th in the Big 10 and wouldn’t have gotten into the playoffs even with an 8 team playoff. We basically have to have a 12 team playoff in order for the Ohio States to get in, the teams we all know are good but fell for a couple of trap games. I’m happy we’re finally playing it out on the field instead of just having Ohio State crush Tennessee in a regular bowl game and then go home and an Oregon win in a 4 team playoff but never get a chance to really prove themselves. Or what would’ve happened to Notre Dame if it was a 6 team playoff and they got left out and say they crush Indiana but we never know if they would win over an elite school. I’m just saying I like this format with some tweaks. If there are blowouts that just hypes everyone up for the elite vs elite games.
Seeding is the main issue but I do believe 12 teams is too many.
I think the natty comes down to the winner of Oregon and Ohio State and who ever beats texas after agaisnt Georgia