CONSCIOUSNESS - A conversation with Deepak Chopra and Stuart Hameroff
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Description: Deepak Chopra and Stuart Hameroff take an in-depth dive into the science of consciousness.*
Stuart Hameroff, MD is a physician, Professor of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona in Tucson. In medical school, Hameroff became interested in intelligent behavior of microtubules, protein lattices within brain neurons and other living cells. Hameroff developed theories of microtubules as self-organizing molecular computers, and teamed with Sir Roger Penrose on the controversial Penrose-Hameroff "Orch OR" model of consciousness. Based on quantum computing in brain microtubules, Orch OR connects brain activities to the most basic level of the universe -- fundamental spacetime geometry at the Planck scale. At that level, Penrose has proposed Platonic information guiding or influencing conscious choices and perceptions. Orch OR could be seen as providing a plausibility argument for non-locality and spirituality. Hameroff is also involved with clinical trials of transcranial ultrasound (TUS) for mood and cognitive dysfunction, and co-organizes the biennial interdisciplinary conference 'Toward a Science of Consciousness.'
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Wow one of the most thought provoking conversations I've ever heard! Explained so much but brought on so many more questions! Amazing...
Haha I love deepak he reminds me so much of my dad.
There is so much being said in this video! This needs to be taught in schools.
Absolutely amazing. I recognize so much from my own experience in consciousness. I love the way Hameroff explains things in scientific terms and how Chopra translates to both mystical terms and also to usual human experience. I think it is important to always relate these mind-boggling discoveries to the implications for our practical day to day reality. We can't continue to live as if everything is purely material and separate.
This conversation needs a slide-show of visual representations to illustrate what they're saying
Soo truee! Haha would sure help me to understand it beter
+Preliminimal Check out the images from the Orch-OR paper:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
th-cam.com/video/ZAVQjMf2fEQ/w-d-xo.html
This is what I say to those who believe that pure consciousness is a product of the brain (simply because that by tweaking the brain here and there, one can produce out-of-body experiences): Just because you can reproduce something in a laboratory (e.g., out-of-body experience), it doesn't necessarily disqualify the natural experience (e.g., NDE) making it false, in the same way that just because vitamin C can be synthesized in the laboratory doesn't necessarily make natural vitamin C to be false or unreal. If we consider the brain as a receptor of pure consciousness (much like a TV, for example) then tweaking certain parts of the brain can open the doors for consciousness to manifest itself in its full form. As scientists we must be open to all possibilities, especially considering that the study of consciousness is in its embryonic state right now. Actually, to believe that the brain is the seat of consciousness can be likened to the time when people believed that the Earth was the center of the Universe! Therefore, it is imperative that we keep an open mind until proven absolutely wrong. Who knows, we might have a definitive answer to the riddle of consciousness perhaps a few hundred years from now. Until then, we should be open to all possibilities.
+Maurice C. Muller-Quinhoneiro Brain is center of consciousness. And so is Heart. In the body, these two should come into alignment.
+inTubeHD Totally agree! In certain spiritual traditions the heart is considered the seat of consciousness and there is much to be said about that. However, for the sake of simplicity and to avoid instigating abusive remarks by non-believers, let's leave the brain as the main receiver of consciousness for now. That is a lot for some people to swallow already. Peace!
Haha.. lol..r on on FB?
All pure hogwash! Get real and get a brain at your local dispenser!
@@MauriceMuller-Q "let's leave the brain as the main receiver of consciousness for now."
The brain is not the receiver of consciousness! The part of the brain named the reticular formation is a structure of the brain in the brain stem and is largely the "producer" of consciousness. Extirpate this structure and the individual is comatose! No need for woo woo; it's neuro-biology!
As a fellow Indian, you make me darn proud Deepak!
The holistic nature of consciousness is a strong argument for Hamerhoff‘s theory. No matter what collapse criterion we use, there must be something that sinchronizes the wavefunction collapse.
33:00 beautiful explanation of the Bardo states from a scientific perspective. Great talk. Deepak is such a great interviewer.
Thank you for this video, giving scientific reasoning to age old truth of Hinduism.what our seers have articulated 5000 years ago.
Amazing conversation. What joy it is to experience. The "hard question" to me is about our awakening...from the walk as a zombie, unaware, lacking objective conscience...and the job of life in the awakening. This perceived life I've been blessed with has had subtle and dramatic leaps. Conversations like this take me just a bit further. Thanks guys.
Soooo AWesome!! So happy to be alive!
One of the best discussions on consciousness I've seen in a while...very good point about consciousness being different from the normal brain functions, and that one can work without the other...because a lot of people think that consciousness IS the brain, but it's so much more.
Sir Chopra to me you are a genius, thank you!!!
Good lord. It's the Emperor's new clothes all over again. He's not a "genius" he's an intellectual leech who feeds people horrible misinformation to his own wallets agenda.
Thank you for this reminder from a 2013 discussion..bravo!
Thanks for the enlightenment!Namaste
Thank you so very much for your mindful teachings ~
i love u deepak
This is AMAZING!!
Love it. Thank you!
We created the big bang, and the big bang created us. It's a circle. I Am created us, and we created I Am.
Hameroff´s claims are life-changing, specially from 10:00 --the scientific support to "after death" is mind boggling. Speculative but science-based.
Thanks for sharing. It is best understood if viewed at 0.75 speed reproduction and with subtitles.
One of the very most illuminating discussions I have ever seen on the subject of consciousness!
That was extraordinary and very enlightening. Thank you Deepak.... and Mr. Hameroff!
Love. These. Techy. Conversation. Science. And. The. Spiritual. 🍓
Conversations
Mind blowingly refreshing, Stuart & Deepak. Top notch. Thanks
truly informative & great teaching
Great stuff thank you!
9:02,, The big bang was that moment in a frequency that determines it
Great video by the way thank you so much
Thanks Deepak, I really hope we can bring the best scientists we've got to debate the skeptics. It's a necessary and constructive debate.
Thanks for sharing
I love this!
Well, the fastest supercomputer today computates about 120.000 TFLOPS..so those microtubules are "working" at a rate about 1 Quadrillion (10 to the power of 15) faster than this supercomputer..that´s simply awesome...
Fascinating discussion. The possiblities of what we are really experiencing when we allow ourselves to go into deeeper consciousness is quite intriquing!!
Brilliant work deepak sir, we expect a scientific explanation of Advaita Vedanta from you.
Deepak and Stuart....the ultimate Bromance!!!
Omg they are so cute with permanent smiles on their faces, they are free :)
oh my goodness...well, i listened intently and probably was able to comprehend maybe 1%...which made me wonder if i am conscious at all...probably a good thing...with gratitude and love
some of this is a lot of learnign but its also nice to know as well
thank you
What an amazing discussion. We are connected. And I, yes, it is "God" or whatever name you want to give "Cosmic wisdom-Divine" Thank you for this discussion!
Thanks.
Grateful for Hameroff because as much as I have learned from Dennet, he seems to be missing something of the utmost importance. I think Dennet is ultimately full of it.
Love these guys!
having trouble understanding quantum entanglement...fascinating theory. Also i think and like you say Dr.Deepak the consciousness is everywhere,and time is non-linear which we can exit and re-enter into could explain how fish swim away in anticipation from a diver or a person having a premonition or clairvoyance for example. Great topic.. i majored in math many yrs ago and am now fascinated by spirit today too
I can attest to Dr. Hammeroff's description of how a person involved in a perceived life-threatening event (in my case, spinning across 5 lanes of early morning traffic on the 405 Freeway, after dropping off my written final exam paper at UCLA; it had been drizzling, the road was wet, and I was driving too fast for the conditions when a mini van suddenly applied it's brakes). Time seemed to slow down, the radio sound was garbled like it was slowed down, my awareness/consciousness was moving faster than the external world around me.
wow. amazing
I made the same theory in my head. I called it Frames of reality.
amazing
fascinating!
Deepak is doing a very good job at making these relations. I'm very glad that he is stepping out to understand quantum physics to this extent. One time during meditation I've been able to step out into a different plane. So I can imagine that a Buddhist monk that are well practiced in meditation could have achieved these plans on a regular basis. This would have gave them the opportunity to explore these plans well before science was able too.
Excellent
Just so nice that some people can Think! To agree or not, isn't the point. The thinking process is what is missing from many lives.
Turn the TV off more often and the thinking ON.
I heard it said that we only use 5% of the brain, to which I disagree. I say we use 100% of the brain but only 5% of the time. The crazy world we have, is in an Hypnotic state.
Very good talk.
Top of science and philosophy, Hameroff and Penrose (Nobel price of physics 2020 ) . They are so powerful together , together with Indian mythologie, tremendous!
My near death experience supports the continuation of consciousness. In addition, there was a brief period of time where a gap occurred between my consciousness "seeing" my body and my clinical death. Very interesting research.
I just thought of the Tibetan Book of the Dead when these gentlemen began speaking of "disembodied consciousness" and possible rebirth. When Stuart spoke of the essence of the rose's pinkness and smell being rooted in Planck scale geometry, I immediately thought of Plato's Forms or Ideas.
THESE GUYS ROCK!!
Revolving into redundant , deepak got the master hammeroff , thank you
Good stuff mate!
Great Topic... Thanks very much! ;-)
Gravity always causes collapse of wavefunctions. We just don't take that possibility seriously enough because it's too weak to measure, yet we cannot rule it out as a decoherence mechanism.
If what Stuart is saying will be proved to be right, then he's just explained the moment when aware beings are born. I.e. when there's a moment of collapse in the mass of proto-consciousness.
This being Dr. Hameroff is a heavyweight .......he is very capable of putting this kind of wisdom and information into a form that is understandable / perceptible at the level that a normal science major in college can process.... how great would it have been to be able to have this person as a professor in undergrad classes.
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
HardRockMiner you are right as upanisad describe tat tyam asi (that thou art). You are that pure Consciousness(drasta)/ witness consciousness having worldly experience. You are different from what is seen or content of your consciousness.
I think we are the universe experiencing a person.....................
For over 4 minutes he kept talking without looking at Deepak.. the consciousness was some where else
The way that I understand Penrose's ideas is that as the universe continues to expand for a very long time (trillions of years) and as it expands the black holes all evaporate, and the remaining particles are only photons (light) .At light speed there is no space or time and the universe becomes a singularity, the starting point of the big bang.
Awesome. And perfect timing too, but we know how that works. ;)
i have been watching physics and actually astrophysics ..it all comes together ..
The coolest part, in my opinion, is when Hameroff said that we exist right on the edge of the quantum and classical worlds. Mind sufficiently blown.
But the neat thing is that both are "recreating" that rose from different perspectives
I love this theory so much, I wholeheartedly believe the universe is a super computer. This also why l think the hunt to build AI is waste of time lol. Its incredible hubris of us to think will ever be able to tap into such power. Nature is allowing us the grace this is as good as it will get.
Deepaks ground state theory is also something l love, its like ram ready to be reused.
Mr. Hameroff I think deprived us as well as himself of getting as much of this divine mans gift of sharing a understanding of consciousness that few in this world can actually express in words.
You're welcome :)
Cutting edge stuff, this is the new science
No one of us ever can experience consciousness but we consciousness can experience everything
I have always intuited that science and religion are only at odds in terms of being highly disparate languages for describing the same phenomenon - I don't identify as a religious person at all, but certainly, I possess religious mind. I happen to call my religion "science".
I am not sure what you mean by science however if you are referring to the 'scientific method' - no they are not the same, it may be worthwhile reading up on the scientific method.
Much respect to Roger Penrose.
I agree with regards to Dawkins and Shermer, to me they prove the fact that there are several lines of psychological development and that no matter how many higher education degrees that one has earned, that has absolutely "nothing" to do with "wisdom."
Is smooth muscle ultimately responsible for the frequency of micro tubules?
I am a 33 experiencer I have been seeing it for months now. Is there a reason why this ends at 33 minutes and I watched the whole thing and wasn't aware until it finished lol. I understand completely what they are both saying. Its hard to implement this way of view in society though because people are so ignorant
+Novae Terrae The majority of people, on a certain level, do not even know that they are "alive".
One can be alive. But one can be ALIVE! (imagine a burst of extroverted arm action)
I totally understand what these guys are saying as well. The truth is not concealable forever, eh? Especially considering that the proto-consciousness has started the accelerating process of interconnectedness and transparency, allowing us to propel our evolution immensely.
Interestingly, one can experience that proto-consciousness, very simply, within their subjective experience, if one pays close attention. Why hasn't Chopra talked to Hameroff about the method of simply experiencing the nothingness awareness by being aware of the thinker of thoughts, the "thing" which is there beyond thought, deeper than thought, behind thought.
This is remarkable stuff eh, we need to create a space for this stuff to proliferate! More organizations that can promote this stuff, the better!
How about ALivE? And sometimes I feel aliVe.
Consciousness still remains a mystery that goes beyond our understanding. There is no science that can explain it.
***** Maybe in a few centuries we will know more about the world and us. At this stage science doesn't answer fundamental questions.
This conversation reminds me of (from a story told by Susskind) the kind Feynman would dislike.
Interesting. I wonder what will be the view of this sort of thing in twenty years? It'll be interesting to see what turns out to be the case, sooner or later. c:
as an artist i started drawing this when i first put my pencil to paper . i like words too.
The steady state theory has been totally refuted. We now know the universe is finite and came into existence a finite time ago.
The beauty of Penrose-Hameroff's theory is that it's probably the only theory that's fully 'materialist' (Physical) and at the mean time is fully 'idealistic' (Platonic) and yet is NOT dualistic.
The univese, like life, exists in a stream of energy.
There is only one miracle but it is a fractal.
The past is material the future is possibility.
Tom Campbell's lectures are on TH-cam.
Deepak , physicist TOM CAMPBELL. elegantly and scientifically explains that the reality is virtual and copiousness fundamental. All weirdness of quantum physics and the 'hard problem are easily explained.
I believe that my personal consciousness is as likely to extend beyond the death of my material body, as is the personal consciousness of an alligator.
and it's as simple and as complex as that/this
Deepaks smile at 26:20 is a shared quantum smile :)
Deepak Chopra mystical woo woo 🤣🤣🤣
let's say i was under for 13 hours i came thru and can walk but i feel changed.... and we are changed each moment ..i am .
At school we thought we understood the model of an atom. Turns out is mostly empty space, information in plankt scale geometry. Same with neurons. We don't yet completely grasp quantum effects that occur in the cells microtubules, but promising breakthroughs in science recently in the area of consciousness studies suggests we are making a jump forward in cosmology. Don't get hung up on the linguistics. Keep an open mind.
reiterating what Jacob Bohme explained in the 16th century...only the technical jargon is different.
Conflating Quackery³.
Yes there is possibility horizon which is, tied to our realtiy, somewhat infinite. The next level might be the probability-horizon and then following in closer approximity, the certainty horizon which is further in the future than the "here and now".
In other words, unconsiously or sometimes revelead in dreams and remembered in "deja vue" the probability is established quiet in the future and with the appropriate action, in the "here and now".
The certainty increases up to the point of the manifestation in the "here and now". Of course this doesn't explain much except, that yes..... the book is written... But we are still writing in ouself.... :)
Hameroff gave reasonable explanations for inner connectedness (quantum entanglement), cosmic wisdom (stemming from the physics of Planck time), although he made a reach for the afterlife. Even if we ceded him that final argument, Deepak made a leap to call it God, which means such a variety of things to people, and in America at least is this ridiculously personal one that helps sports teams win, is against gay marriage, and causes/prevents world events.