Absolutely amazing. I recognize so much from my own experience in consciousness. I love the way Hameroff explains things in scientific terms and how Chopra translates to both mystical terms and also to usual human experience. I think it is important to always relate these mind-boggling discoveries to the implications for our practical day to day reality. We can't continue to live as if everything is purely material and separate.
This is what I say to those who believe that pure consciousness is a product of the brain (simply because that by tweaking the brain here and there, one can produce out-of-body experiences): Just because you can reproduce something in a laboratory (e.g., out-of-body experience), it doesn't necessarily disqualify the natural experience (e.g., NDE) making it false, in the same way that just because vitamin C can be synthesized in the laboratory doesn't necessarily make natural vitamin C to be false or unreal. If we consider the brain as a receptor of pure consciousness (much like a TV, for example) then tweaking certain parts of the brain can open the doors for consciousness to manifest itself in its full form. As scientists we must be open to all possibilities, especially considering that the study of consciousness is in its embryonic state right now. Actually, to believe that the brain is the seat of consciousness can be likened to the time when people believed that the Earth was the center of the Universe! Therefore, it is imperative that we keep an open mind until proven absolutely wrong. Who knows, we might have a definitive answer to the riddle of consciousness perhaps a few hundred years from now. Until then, we should be open to all possibilities.
+inTubeHD Totally agree! In certain spiritual traditions the heart is considered the seat of consciousness and there is much to be said about that. However, for the sake of simplicity and to avoid instigating abusive remarks by non-believers, let's leave the brain as the main receiver of consciousness for now. That is a lot for some people to swallow already. Peace!
@@MauriceMuller-Q "let's leave the brain as the main receiver of consciousness for now." The brain is not the receiver of consciousness! The part of the brain named the reticular formation is a structure of the brain in the brain stem and is largely the "producer" of consciousness. Extirpate this structure and the individual is comatose! No need for woo woo; it's neuro-biology!
The holistic nature of consciousness is a strong argument for Hamerhoff‘s theory. No matter what collapse criterion we use, there must be something that sinchronizes the wavefunction collapse.
Hameroff´s claims are life-changing, specially from 10:00 --the scientific support to "after death" is mind boggling. Speculative but science-based. Thanks for sharing. It is best understood if viewed at 0.75 speed reproduction and with subtitles.
Amazing conversation. What joy it is to experience. The "hard question" to me is about our awakening...from the walk as a zombie, unaware, lacking objective conscience...and the job of life in the awakening. This perceived life I've been blessed with has had subtle and dramatic leaps. Conversations like this take me just a bit further. Thanks guys.
Good lord. It's the Emperor's new clothes all over again. He's not a "genius" he's an intellectual leech who feeds people horrible misinformation to his own wallets agenda.
One of the best discussions on consciousness I've seen in a while...very good point about consciousness being different from the normal brain functions, and that one can work without the other...because a lot of people think that consciousness IS the brain, but it's so much more.
My near death experience supports the continuation of consciousness. In addition, there was a brief period of time where a gap occurred between my consciousness "seeing" my body and my clinical death. Very interesting research.
I am a 33 experiencer I have been seeing it for months now. Is there a reason why this ends at 33 minutes and I watched the whole thing and wasn't aware until it finished lol. I understand completely what they are both saying. Its hard to implement this way of view in society though because people are so ignorant
+Novae Terrae The majority of people, on a certain level, do not even know that they are "alive". One can be alive. But one can be ALIVE! (imagine a burst of extroverted arm action) I totally understand what these guys are saying as well. The truth is not concealable forever, eh? Especially considering that the proto-consciousness has started the accelerating process of interconnectedness and transparency, allowing us to propel our evolution immensely. Interestingly, one can experience that proto-consciousness, very simply, within their subjective experience, if one pays close attention. Why hasn't Chopra talked to Hameroff about the method of simply experiencing the nothingness awareness by being aware of the thinker of thoughts, the "thing" which is there beyond thought, deeper than thought, behind thought. This is remarkable stuff eh, we need to create a space for this stuff to proliferate! More organizations that can promote this stuff, the better!
I have been seeing 33 everywhere too. I actually stopped the video at 33:00 without even realizing. My microwave was 3:33 before I watched this. Definitely is some type of simulation.
It's really sad that scientific materialism and skepticism has produced its own doctrine to defend its own belief systems with a preconceived bias that has now next to religion become one of humanity's greatest barriers to a greater truth
What an amazing discussion. We are connected. And I, yes, it is "God" or whatever name you want to give "Cosmic wisdom-Divine" Thank you for this discussion!
HardRockMiner you are right as upanisad describe tat tyam asi (that thou art). You are that pure Consciousness(drasta)/ witness consciousness having worldly experience. You are different from what is seen or content of your consciousness.
Well, the fastest supercomputer today computates about 120.000 TFLOPS..so those microtubules are "working" at a rate about 1 Quadrillion (10 to the power of 15) faster than this supercomputer..that´s simply awesome...
If what Stuart is saying will be proved to be right, then he's just explained the moment when aware beings are born. I.e. when there's a moment of collapse in the mass of proto-consciousness.
Just so nice that some people can Think! To agree or not, isn't the point. The thinking process is what is missing from many lives. Turn the TV off more often and the thinking ON. I heard it said that we only use 5% of the brain, to which I disagree. I say we use 100% of the brain but only 5% of the time. The crazy world we have, is in an Hypnotic state.
Grateful for Hameroff because as much as I have learned from Dennet, he seems to be missing something of the utmost importance. I think Dennet is ultimately full of it.
having trouble understanding quantum entanglement...fascinating theory. Also i think and like you say Dr.Deepak the consciousness is everywhere,and time is non-linear which we can exit and re-enter into could explain how fish swim away in anticipation from a diver or a person having a premonition or clairvoyance for example. Great topic.. i majored in math many yrs ago and am now fascinated by spirit today too
Fascinating discussion. The possiblities of what we are really experiencing when we allow ourselves to go into deeeper consciousness is quite intriquing!!
This being Dr. Hameroff is a heavyweight .......he is very capable of putting this kind of wisdom and information into a form that is understandable / perceptible at the level that a normal science major in college can process.... how great would it have been to be able to have this person as a professor in undergrad classes.
Deepak is doing a very good job at making these relations. I'm very glad that he is stepping out to understand quantum physics to this extent. One time during meditation I've been able to step out into a different plane. So I can imagine that a Buddhist monk that are well practiced in meditation could have achieved these plans on a regular basis. This would have gave them the opportunity to explore these plans well before science was able too.
I don’t understand why people hate Deepk chopra so much, calling him a “charlatan”, as if he’s constantly and purposefully telling lies in order to get your money. True, I’ve heard that Deepak was known to have a temper and to mistreat some of his employees, that’s where his reputation as a charlatan began and it lives on until today, but this was back in the early 90’s! People change with age, at least most people do, especially those who practice meditation with the objective of spiritually improving themselves, which I am sure Deepak does. I am absolutely sure that Deepak did grow too, but to continuously and blindly call him a charlatan with no sound proof of any wrong doing on his part is not only mean, but pure ignorance.
way more than that. He talks of consciousness as if he's an expert (he's not), he talks of physics as if he's an expert (he's not). He makes up complete bullshit to sell oprah idiots books. No one in the scientific community with integrity gives him respect. Check out his many videos where he gets his ass continually handed to him. he's a piece of conscious shit.
Because they’re jealous that they never got to the point of having enough courage to bring their gifts and talents to the world. He’s a successful and spiritually conscious man. He couldn’t care less what losers say about him. The more haters you have, sometimes the more you are hitting a trigger in their own internal fears and inadequacies. I’m not talking about real corrupt politicians that breed anger and hate at their injustices here. I’m referring to people who are successful in the way they have influenced humanity and will leave a legacy to the world for an ideal. They have been able to expand their consciousness on a big level. And most people will never do that so they will resort to project their anger toward themselves to someone else who is living out their dreams.
I can attest to Dr. Hammeroff's description of how a person involved in a perceived life-threatening event (in my case, spinning across 5 lanes of early morning traffic on the 405 Freeway, after dropping off my written final exam paper at UCLA; it had been drizzling, the road was wet, and I was driving too fast for the conditions when a mini van suddenly applied it's brakes). Time seemed to slow down, the radio sound was garbled like it was slowed down, my awareness/consciousness was moving faster than the external world around me.
Top of science and philosophy, Hameroff and Penrose (Nobel price of physics 2020 ) . They are so powerful together , together with Indian mythologie, tremendous!
The way that I understand Penrose's ideas is that as the universe continues to expand for a very long time (trillions of years) and as it expands the black holes all evaporate, and the remaining particles are only photons (light) .At light speed there is no space or time and the universe becomes a singularity, the starting point of the big bang.
Gravity always causes collapse of wavefunctions. We just don't take that possibility seriously enough because it's too weak to measure, yet we cannot rule it out as a decoherence mechanism.
I just thought of the Tibetan Book of the Dead when these gentlemen began speaking of "disembodied consciousness" and possible rebirth. When Stuart spoke of the essence of the rose's pinkness and smell being rooted in Planck scale geometry, I immediately thought of Plato's Forms or Ideas.
Mr. Hameroff I think deprived us as well as himself of getting as much of this divine mans gift of sharing a understanding of consciousness that few in this world can actually express in words.
The beauty of Penrose-Hameroff's theory is that it's probably the only theory that's fully 'materialist' (Physical) and at the mean time is fully 'idealistic' (Platonic) and yet is NOT dualistic.
oh my goodness...well, i listened intently and probably was able to comprehend maybe 1%...which made me wonder if i am conscious at all...probably a good thing...with gratitude and love
Non-locality implies that due to this chance rendezvous, the two particles will instantaneously react to one another's change in quantum properties (automatically), no matter how great the local or cosmic distance between them. I don't know if this is of any help. But, for what it's worth!
15:18 "If consciousness is actually a quantum effect, quantum requires very little/almost no energy. Ambient heat from room temperature can drive it ..." Could this be why the temperature is said to drop when ghosts or disembodied spirits are around, i.e. they are utilising thermal energy in some way?
I have always intuited that science and religion are only at odds in terms of being highly disparate languages for describing the same phenomenon - I don't identify as a religious person at all, but certainly, I possess religious mind. I happen to call my religion "science".
I am not sure what you mean by science however if you are referring to the 'scientific method' - no they are not the same, it may be worthwhile reading up on the scientific method.
Hameroff (11:50): "Roger tends to shy away from anything in the spiritual or religious realm." That's smacks a little of scientific parochialism or superstition. Shy away? What, from Chopra's terminology that is admittedly freighted with religious lineage/ baggage? Use your own terms then. Don't dodge the phenomena for fear of being mistaken for being 'religious'.
I love this theory so much, I wholeheartedly believe the universe is a super computer. This also why l think the hunt to build AI is waste of time lol. Its incredible hubris of us to think will ever be able to tap into such power. Nature is allowing us the grace this is as good as it will get. Deepaks ground state theory is also something l love, its like ram ready to be reused.
I have noticed a number of people have figured out how to ask questions which can't be answered while using blaming tones or terms. This effectively spreads the conflicted statements into the aggregate where they are spread further. "Stupidity", for example, is a blaming term. If we were to remove the blaming term, we are left with: "Is this going out its way to present itself as intelligence?" This question is hardly more answerable than the first one, but at least one can start to see it's a bad question to ask to begin with.
The correct term for them is "pseudo-skeptics". Real skeptics would not behave so ignorantly. Azazel is a good example of a pesudo-skeptic. He can't help but resort to profanity because he's been so severely programmed by scientific materialism, that he feels he must curse all non-conformists to his doctrine.
I agree with regards to Dawkins and Shermer, to me they prove the fact that there are several lines of psychological development and that no matter how many higher education degrees that one has earned, that has absolutely "nothing" to do with "wisdom."
i think we are ancient spirit beings and our true minds are blocked off upon birth. To be born as a human causes all pre-memory to be blocked off in order to focus only on this life, we can't recall who we really are back in our true form, in spirit dimensions. i think we are in a sub-reality. The human form is like a cartoon compared to our real form. it will all make sense what happened when we return back to the spirit, which is much more real than all of this. The main purpose has to do with love and character, order and chaos, good and bad, the heart, the will, the attitude, the kindness and positive energy you generate, the conscience and the ego, laws of light and darkness, love and selfishness. i guess anything scientific we learn here is semi- irrelevant, because we know all that already back in our spirit form, despite the importance of it for progress here, i think the greatest progress is on an individual basis for souls to be corrected in places like earth, corrected of the heart, the very core of you is what learns, in a way that counts. People can speculate and analyze and theorize all they want, yet it boils down to a spiritual process.
Wouldn't souls learn and be corrected more -- of any wrongness or sin, in worlds that are not confusing or conflicted ? i don't understand, but i like what you're getting at.
+Shang Chi I was studying on this, and what I came up with, is How would we know, if we didn't have the opposites, part of our learning takes the opposites, good/bad, health/sick. wealth/poor. happy/sad. etc.. that's how we learn, with the opposites, that's how we know, we wouldn't know wealth without poor, know health without sickness, Joy without sadness, good without bad. Back in Eden all was good, so how would man learn more deeply without the opposites. God/Spirit/Creator/Light/Source said he made both, there is nothing made that was not made by Him. And He is in All things.
Lol what if this is jail? Just a fun little what if. I once had a shaman tell me that I am one of the strongest of the strong souls... I'll take that with a grain of salt.
At school we thought we understood the model of an atom. Turns out is mostly empty space, information in plankt scale geometry. Same with neurons. We don't yet completely grasp quantum effects that occur in the cells microtubules, but promising breakthroughs in science recently in the area of consciousness studies suggests we are making a jump forward in cosmology. Don't get hung up on the linguistics. Keep an open mind.
Hameroff gave reasonable explanations for inner connectedness (quantum entanglement), cosmic wisdom (stemming from the physics of Planck time), although he made a reach for the afterlife. Even if we ceded him that final argument, Deepak made a leap to call it God, which means such a variety of things to people, and in America at least is this ridiculously personal one that helps sports teams win, is against gay marriage, and causes/prevents world events.
...where as empirical, (the platform of scientific reality) can be defined as a common observation from a specific grouping within the overall group consciousness. As Deepak states, "there is no yellow@...but empirical evidence is 'yellow' to the scientific observers. This is why individual epiphanies within the scientific fraternity, are usually met with hostility/denial. The "group consciousness" also aims for homeostasis, the very essence of which, fuels the"individual" need for truth.
Deepak , physicist TOM CAMPBELL. elegantly and scientifically explains that the reality is virtual and copiousness fundamental. All weirdness of quantum physics and the 'hard problem are easily explained.
My understanding is: Our consciousness is our immortal self. As perceived by quantum physics, the physical material reality is a kind of illusion. Nothing is really solid. In the quantum level, all matters are made of atoms which are basically particles of energy vibrating in certain frequencies. Our bodies are not solid in the strictest sense of the word. Solidity is merely an illusion. What is real may be only consciousness manifesting itself like an energy in the quantum level. Consciousness may be viewed as the all pervading reality of the cosmos that exist like a medium as a whole but broken into infinite realms. We are part of that reality and manifesting in this physical realm. What makes this physical realm is its distinct vibrational frequency.
You said more that is clear and understandable than the speakers. But I'm saddened that the universities are getting grants which seem mostly to shore up materialism, which has caused all of the wars and problems of the world. We finally get a hard science which has proven that "there is NO MATTER as such" (Max Planck) and that OUR thoughts or observations create our reality, and it appears "science" can't deal with it but instead give all sorts of confusing theories that are all attached to matter. We need scientists who are unafraid of criticism and question, if we are not made of matter, what are we? If we are creating our reality, we need proof and there are people and scientists proving there's healing going on by simply knowing the Truth of our non material nature, which really could set us free, and be that Quantum Leap humanity has needed for thousands of years. But I love both of these men as they seem to be sincere seekers of the Truth.
The hard problem of consciousness has been solved a few years ago in a very elegant way. We are elastic holistic holograms embedded into our brains. And our Universe is also a hologram embedded into the higher dimensional space. We are living in the multidimensional holographic world. This is the only possible solution.
What you described in no way "solves" the hard problem of consciousness. How does a hologram in our brain or in higher dimensions result in our inner self-aware experience of qualia? The hard problem of consciousness goes away only when one realizes that consciousness is fundamental, and that everything else are merely objects within consciousness. These objects include, of course, brains, holograms, and higher dimensions (and space itself, for that matter).
I think the idea of who or what consciousness is... ...largely... ...depends on our knowledge, explanation, idea, speculation, theory or proof of... ...what happens to it ... when the body loses consciousness. Many humans lose consciousness every day under general anesthesia and due to other reasons. What really exists then, what happens to the consciousness then, what happens to the me (the consciousness)... I think... is the key to understanding what consciousness (me) really is.
I believe that my personal consciousness is as likely to extend beyond the death of my material body, as is the personal consciousness of an alligator.
I think the truth is coming out. God does exist, God is this ocean of consciousness that gives life to the various universes it has created. Our God is a creative God.
i just have a small question to what was said in the last segment of the video, that after death there may be a temporary consciousness and then it may be recycled as in reincarnation,, so what if , in case, ( i mean if made possible) , that if a person dies, and what if after his death, and after the temporary consciousness phase, when it is time for the consciousness to recycle, what is , there was no vacancy left on this earth, like no more child birth ever, so where would this consciousness go, and what would happen to it being recycled?? please do comment
+Mukesh Chhetri It is estimated that there are about two-to-three trillion planets just in our galaxy alone! In addition, it is estimated that there is an average of about 150 billion galaxies in this Universe, each galaxy with its own set of a trillion planets. It would be very naïve and egocentric to think that only the earth has intelligent life. We still don't know whether reincarnation is a fact or not. However, if hundreds of years from now reincarnation is found to be a fact, then it's easy to see that there are "plenty" of planets for the soul to reincarnate and continue its journey towards perfection when the Earth is no longer available. Oh, yes, and then there is String Theory with its Multiverse Theory that predicts that our Universe is not the only one out there. The Multiverse Theory predicts that there at least 10^700 (10 to the power of 700) Universes besides our own! Can you imagine the number of planets available for reincarnation? Peace!
i understand, what you've said, it answers a lot of it, thanks! but still, the presence of a habitable planet for human existence is yet to be found! till then we can be hopeful and have faith in our science!
Wow one of the most thought provoking conversations I've ever heard! Explained so much but brought on so many more questions! Amazing...
There is so much being said in this video! This needs to be taught in schools.
Absolutely amazing. I recognize so much from my own experience in consciousness. I love the way Hameroff explains things in scientific terms and how Chopra translates to both mystical terms and also to usual human experience. I think it is important to always relate these mind-boggling discoveries to the implications for our practical day to day reality. We can't continue to live as if everything is purely material and separate.
This is what I say to those who believe that pure consciousness is a product of the brain (simply because that by tweaking the brain here and there, one can produce out-of-body experiences): Just because you can reproduce something in a laboratory (e.g., out-of-body experience), it doesn't necessarily disqualify the natural experience (e.g., NDE) making it false, in the same way that just because vitamin C can be synthesized in the laboratory doesn't necessarily make natural vitamin C to be false or unreal. If we consider the brain as a receptor of pure consciousness (much like a TV, for example) then tweaking certain parts of the brain can open the doors for consciousness to manifest itself in its full form. As scientists we must be open to all possibilities, especially considering that the study of consciousness is in its embryonic state right now. Actually, to believe that the brain is the seat of consciousness can be likened to the time when people believed that the Earth was the center of the Universe! Therefore, it is imperative that we keep an open mind until proven absolutely wrong. Who knows, we might have a definitive answer to the riddle of consciousness perhaps a few hundred years from now. Until then, we should be open to all possibilities.
+Maurice C. Muller-Quinhoneiro Brain is center of consciousness. And so is Heart. In the body, these two should come into alignment.
+inTubeHD Totally agree! In certain spiritual traditions the heart is considered the seat of consciousness and there is much to be said about that. However, for the sake of simplicity and to avoid instigating abusive remarks by non-believers, let's leave the brain as the main receiver of consciousness for now. That is a lot for some people to swallow already. Peace!
Haha.. lol..r on on FB?
All pure hogwash! Get real and get a brain at your local dispenser!
@@MauriceMuller-Q "let's leave the brain as the main receiver of consciousness for now."
The brain is not the receiver of consciousness! The part of the brain named the reticular formation is a structure of the brain in the brain stem and is largely the "producer" of consciousness. Extirpate this structure and the individual is comatose! No need for woo woo; it's neuro-biology!
This conversation needs a slide-show of visual representations to illustrate what they're saying
Soo truee! Haha would sure help me to understand it beter
+Preliminimal Check out the images from the Orch-OR paper:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
th-cam.com/video/ZAVQjMf2fEQ/w-d-xo.html
Haha I love deepak he reminds me so much of my dad.
As a fellow Indian, you make me darn proud Deepak!
Thanks Deepak, I really hope we can bring the best scientists we've got to debate the skeptics. It's a necessary and constructive debate.
The holistic nature of consciousness is a strong argument for Hamerhoff‘s theory. No matter what collapse criterion we use, there must be something that sinchronizes the wavefunction collapse.
Thank you for this video, giving scientific reasoning to age old truth of Hinduism.what our seers have articulated 5000 years ago.
Hameroff´s claims are life-changing, specially from 10:00 --the scientific support to "after death" is mind boggling. Speculative but science-based.
Thanks for sharing. It is best understood if viewed at 0.75 speed reproduction and with subtitles.
Amazing conversation. What joy it is to experience. The "hard question" to me is about our awakening...from the walk as a zombie, unaware, lacking objective conscience...and the job of life in the awakening. This perceived life I've been blessed with has had subtle and dramatic leaps. Conversations like this take me just a bit further. Thanks guys.
Sir Chopra to me you are a genius, thank you!!!
Good lord. It's the Emperor's new clothes all over again. He's not a "genius" he's an intellectual leech who feeds people horrible misinformation to his own wallets agenda.
We created the big bang, and the big bang created us. It's a circle. I Am created us, and we created I Am.
One of the best discussions on consciousness I've seen in a while...very good point about consciousness being different from the normal brain functions, and that one can work without the other...because a lot of people think that consciousness IS the brain, but it's so much more.
My near death experience supports the continuation of consciousness. In addition, there was a brief period of time where a gap occurred between my consciousness "seeing" my body and my clinical death. Very interesting research.
33:00 beautiful explanation of the Bardo states from a scientific perspective. Great talk. Deepak is such a great interviewer.
I am a 33 experiencer I have been seeing it for months now. Is there a reason why this ends at 33 minutes and I watched the whole thing and wasn't aware until it finished lol. I understand completely what they are both saying. Its hard to implement this way of view in society though because people are so ignorant
+Novae Terrae The majority of people, on a certain level, do not even know that they are "alive".
One can be alive. But one can be ALIVE! (imagine a burst of extroverted arm action)
I totally understand what these guys are saying as well. The truth is not concealable forever, eh? Especially considering that the proto-consciousness has started the accelerating process of interconnectedness and transparency, allowing us to propel our evolution immensely.
Interestingly, one can experience that proto-consciousness, very simply, within their subjective experience, if one pays close attention. Why hasn't Chopra talked to Hameroff about the method of simply experiencing the nothingness awareness by being aware of the thinker of thoughts, the "thing" which is there beyond thought, deeper than thought, behind thought.
This is remarkable stuff eh, we need to create a space for this stuff to proliferate! More organizations that can promote this stuff, the better!
How about ALivE? And sometimes I feel aliVe.
I have been seeing 33 everywhere too. I actually stopped the video at 33:00 without even realizing. My microwave was 3:33 before I watched this. Definitely is some type of simulation.
It's really sad that scientific materialism and skepticism has produced its own doctrine to defend its own belief systems with a preconceived bias that has now next to religion become one of humanity's greatest barriers to a greater truth
Well Said.
What an amazing discussion. We are connected. And I, yes, it is "God" or whatever name you want to give "Cosmic wisdom-Divine" Thank you for this discussion!
Brilliant work deepak sir, we expect a scientific explanation of Advaita Vedanta from you.
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
HardRockMiner you are right as upanisad describe tat tyam asi (that thou art). You are that pure Consciousness(drasta)/ witness consciousness having worldly experience. You are different from what is seen or content of your consciousness.
I think we are the universe experiencing a person.....................
Well, the fastest supercomputer today computates about 120.000 TFLOPS..so those microtubules are "working" at a rate about 1 Quadrillion (10 to the power of 15) faster than this supercomputer..that´s simply awesome...
If what Stuart is saying will be proved to be right, then he's just explained the moment when aware beings are born. I.e. when there's a moment of collapse in the mass of proto-consciousness.
Just so nice that some people can Think! To agree or not, isn't the point. The thinking process is what is missing from many lives.
Turn the TV off more often and the thinking ON.
I heard it said that we only use 5% of the brain, to which I disagree. I say we use 100% of the brain but only 5% of the time. The crazy world we have, is in an Hypnotic state.
Grateful for Hameroff because as much as I have learned from Dennet, he seems to be missing something of the utmost importance. I think Dennet is ultimately full of it.
having trouble understanding quantum entanglement...fascinating theory. Also i think and like you say Dr.Deepak the consciousness is everywhere,and time is non-linear which we can exit and re-enter into could explain how fish swim away in anticipation from a diver or a person having a premonition or clairvoyance for example. Great topic.. i majored in math many yrs ago and am now fascinated by spirit today too
The coolest part, in my opinion, is when Hameroff said that we exist right on the edge of the quantum and classical worlds. Mind sufficiently blown.
Fascinating discussion. The possiblities of what we are really experiencing when we allow ourselves to go into deeeper consciousness is quite intriquing!!
One of the very most illuminating discussions I have ever seen on the subject of consciousness!
For over 4 minutes he kept talking without looking at Deepak.. the consciousness was some where else
This being Dr. Hameroff is a heavyweight .......he is very capable of putting this kind of wisdom and information into a form that is understandable / perceptible at the level that a normal science major in college can process.... how great would it have been to be able to have this person as a professor in undergrad classes.
Deepak is doing a very good job at making these relations. I'm very glad that he is stepping out to understand quantum physics to this extent. One time during meditation I've been able to step out into a different plane. So I can imagine that a Buddhist monk that are well practiced in meditation could have achieved these plans on a regular basis. This would have gave them the opportunity to explore these plans well before science was able too.
I don’t understand why people hate Deepk chopra so much,
calling him a “charlatan”, as if he’s constantly and purposefully telling lies in order to get
your money. True, I’ve heard that Deepak was known to have a temper and to mistreat
some of his employees, that’s where his reputation as a charlatan began and it
lives on until today, but this was back in the early 90’s! People change with
age, at least most people do, especially those who practice meditation with the
objective of spiritually improving themselves, which I am sure Deepak does. I am
absolutely sure that Deepak did grow too, but to continuously and blindly call
him a charlatan with no sound proof of any wrong doing on his part is not only
mean, but pure ignorance.
way more than that. He talks of consciousness as if he's an expert (he's not), he talks of physics as if he's an expert (he's not). He makes up complete bullshit to sell oprah idiots books. No one in the scientific community with integrity gives him respect. Check out his many videos where he gets his ass continually handed to him. he's a piece of conscious shit.
Because they’re jealous that they never got to the point of having enough courage to bring their gifts and talents to the world.
He’s a successful and spiritually conscious man.
He couldn’t care less what losers say about him.
The more haters you have, sometimes the more you are hitting a trigger in their own internal fears and inadequacies.
I’m not talking about real corrupt politicians that breed anger and hate at their injustices here.
I’m referring to people who are successful in the way they have influenced humanity and will leave a legacy to the world for an ideal. They have been able to expand their consciousness on a big level.
And most people will never do that so they will resort to project their anger toward themselves to someone else who is living out their dreams.
It's because he does nothing but make claims without any evidence. a "Charlatan" is someone who sells baloney. and Chopra is in the Baloney bussiness.
I can attest to Dr. Hammeroff's description of how a person involved in a perceived life-threatening event (in my case, spinning across 5 lanes of early morning traffic on the 405 Freeway, after dropping off my written final exam paper at UCLA; it had been drizzling, the road was wet, and I was driving too fast for the conditions when a mini van suddenly applied it's brakes). Time seemed to slow down, the radio sound was garbled like it was slowed down, my awareness/consciousness was moving faster than the external world around me.
Top of science and philosophy, Hameroff and Penrose (Nobel price of physics 2020 ) . They are so powerful together , together with Indian mythologie, tremendous!
The way that I understand Penrose's ideas is that as the universe continues to expand for a very long time (trillions of years) and as it expands the black holes all evaporate, and the remaining particles are only photons (light) .At light speed there is no space or time and the universe becomes a singularity, the starting point of the big bang.
Gravity always causes collapse of wavefunctions. We just don't take that possibility seriously enough because it's too weak to measure, yet we cannot rule it out as a decoherence mechanism.
Love. These. Techy. Conversation. Science. And. The. Spiritual. 🍓
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I just thought of the Tibetan Book of the Dead when these gentlemen began speaking of "disembodied consciousness" and possible rebirth. When Stuart spoke of the essence of the rose's pinkness and smell being rooted in Planck scale geometry, I immediately thought of Plato's Forms or Ideas.
Mr. Hameroff I think deprived us as well as himself of getting as much of this divine mans gift of sharing a understanding of consciousness that few in this world can actually express in words.
Mind blowingly refreshing, Stuart & Deepak. Top notch. Thanks
i love u deepak
How can I increase my conscious moments per second ?
meditate
***** Chi energy and consciousness are as one.
you can't, stop listening to new age bullshit
Pay attention.
psychedelics for a short term glimpse, yoga, pranayama and meditation to truly understand and be a part of it
No one of us ever can experience consciousness but we consciousness can experience everything
Revolving into redundant , deepak got the master hammeroff , thank you
Soooo AWesome!! So happy to be alive!
Omg they are so cute with permanent smiles on their faces, they are free :)
The beauty of Penrose-Hameroff's theory is that it's probably the only theory that's fully 'materialist' (Physical) and at the mean time is fully 'idealistic' (Platonic) and yet is NOT dualistic.
oh my goodness...well, i listened intently and probably was able to comprehend maybe 1%...which made me wonder if i am conscious at all...probably a good thing...with gratitude and love
9:02,, The big bang was that moment in a frequency that determines it
second camera keeps jumping up and down...so annoying!!!
THESE GUYS ROCK!!
Deepak and Stuart....the ultimate Bromance!!!
That was extraordinary and very enlightening. Thank you Deepak.... and Mr. Hameroff!
Sres.En los videos SUBTÍTULOS EN ESPAÑOL cómo mínimo.No estamos ni en u.s.a. ni en Inglaterra.
Non-locality implies that due to this chance rendezvous, the two particles will instantaneously react to one another's change in quantum properties (automatically), no matter how great the local or cosmic distance between them. I don't know if this is of any help. But, for what it's worth!
15:18 "If consciousness is actually a quantum effect, quantum requires very little/almost no energy. Ambient heat from room temperature can drive it ..." Could this be why the temperature is said to drop when ghosts or disembodied spirits are around, i.e. they are utilising thermal energy in some way?
This is AMAZING!!
I have always intuited that science and religion are only at odds in terms of being highly disparate languages for describing the same phenomenon - I don't identify as a religious person at all, but certainly, I possess religious mind. I happen to call my religion "science".
I am not sure what you mean by science however if you are referring to the 'scientific method' - no they are not the same, it may be worthwhile reading up on the scientific method.
18:59 ,resident frequency,if there was a goal post, at what frequency would the immune system have to be to meet the viruses frequency
can you please elaborate on what it is that "these guys" do not understand so that we can be enlightened by your wisdom.
Consciousness still remains a mystery that goes beyond our understanding. There is no science that can explain it.
***** Maybe in a few centuries we will know more about the world and us. At this stage science doesn't answer fundamental questions.
let's say i was under for 13 hours i came thru and can walk but i feel changed.... and we are changed each moment ..i am .
Hameroff (11:50): "Roger tends to shy away from anything in the spiritual or religious realm."
That's smacks a little of scientific parochialism or superstition. Shy away? What, from Chopra's terminology that is admittedly freighted with religious lineage/ baggage? Use your own terms then. Don't dodge the phenomena for fear of being mistaken for being 'religious'.
Thank you for this reminder from a 2013 discussion..bravo!
thank you
I love this theory so much, I wholeheartedly believe the universe is a super computer. This also why l think the hunt to build AI is waste of time lol. Its incredible hubris of us to think will ever be able to tap into such power. Nature is allowing us the grace this is as good as it will get.
Deepaks ground state theory is also something l love, its like ram ready to be reused.
Anyone notice how it's the Skeptics that are resorting to calling names in the comments. Wonder why that is. Hmm....
No sabes hablar SIN INSULTAR...... TE DELATAS TÚ MISMO....... "NO TIENES ARGUMENTO RACIONAL ALGUNO".
I have noticed a number of people have figured out how to ask questions which can't be answered while using blaming tones or terms. This effectively spreads the conflicted statements into the aggregate where they are spread further.
"Stupidity", for example, is a blaming term. If we were to remove the blaming term, we are left with: "Is this going out its way to present itself as intelligence?" This question is hardly more answerable than the first one, but at least one can start to see it's a bad question to ask to begin with.
The correct term for them is "pseudo-skeptics". Real skeptics would not behave so ignorantly. Azazel is a good example of a pesudo-skeptic. He can't help but resort to profanity because he's been so severely programmed by scientific materialism, that he feels he must curse all non-conformists to his doctrine.
I agree with regards to Dawkins and Shermer, to me they prove the fact that there are several lines of psychological development and that no matter how many higher education degrees that one has earned, that has absolutely "nothing" to do with "wisdom."
truly informative & great teaching
I made the same theory in my head. I called it Frames of reality.
reiterating what Jacob Bohme explained in the 16th century...only the technical jargon is different.
some of this is a lot of learnign but its also nice to know as well
i think we are ancient spirit beings and our true minds are blocked off upon birth.
To be born as a human causes all pre-memory to be blocked off in order to focus only on this life, we can't recall who we really are back in our true form, in spirit dimensions. i think we are in a sub-reality. The human form is like a cartoon compared to our real form. it will all make sense what happened when we return back to the spirit, which is much more real than all of this. The main purpose has to do with love and character, order and chaos, good and bad, the heart, the will, the attitude, the kindness and positive energy you generate, the conscience and the ego, laws of light and darkness, love and selfishness. i guess anything scientific we learn here is semi- irrelevant, because we know all that already back in our spirit form, despite the importance of it for progress here, i think the greatest progress is on an individual basis for souls to be corrected in places like earth, corrected of the heart, the very core of you is what learns, in a way that counts. People can speculate and analyze and theorize all they want, yet it boils down to a spiritual process.
Wouldn't souls learn and be corrected more -- of any wrongness or sin, in worlds that are not confusing or conflicted ?
i don't understand, but i like what you're getting at.
+Shang Chi I was studying on this, and what I came up with, is How would we know, if we didn't have the opposites, part of our learning takes the opposites, good/bad, health/sick. wealth/poor. happy/sad. etc.. that's how we learn, with the opposites, that's how we know, we wouldn't know wealth without poor, know health without sickness, Joy without sadness, good without bad. Back in Eden all was good, so how would man learn more deeply without the opposites. God/Spirit/Creator/Light/Source said he made both, there is nothing made that was not made by Him. And He is in All things.
Scientists have said that maybe we are in a holographic computer Universe
we are reminded that one came to us 2000 years ago to reveal /remind us of who we are...that the kingdom is within us and among us
Lol what if this is jail? Just a fun little what if.
I once had a shaman tell me that I am one of the strongest of the strong souls... I'll take that with a grain of salt.
Thank you so very much for your mindful teachings ~
At school we thought we understood the model of an atom. Turns out is mostly empty space, information in plankt scale geometry. Same with neurons. We don't yet completely grasp quantum effects that occur in the cells microtubules, but promising breakthroughs in science recently in the area of consciousness studies suggests we are making a jump forward in cosmology. Don't get hung up on the linguistics. Keep an open mind.
Also interesting is when Deepak said - From nothingness, we came; from nothingness, we return.
Hameroff gave reasonable explanations for inner connectedness (quantum entanglement), cosmic wisdom (stemming from the physics of Planck time), although he made a reach for the afterlife. Even if we ceded him that final argument, Deepak made a leap to call it God, which means such a variety of things to people, and in America at least is this ridiculously personal one that helps sports teams win, is against gay marriage, and causes/prevents world events.
...where as empirical, (the platform of scientific reality) can be defined as a common observation from a specific grouping within the overall group consciousness. As Deepak states, "there is no yellow@...but empirical evidence is 'yellow' to the scientific observers.
This is why individual epiphanies within the scientific fraternity, are usually met with hostility/denial. The "group consciousness" also aims for homeostasis, the very essence of which, fuels the"individual" need for truth.
Deepak , physicist TOM CAMPBELL. elegantly and scientifically explains that the reality is virtual and copiousness fundamental. All weirdness of quantum physics and the 'hard problem are easily explained.
i have been watching physics and actually astrophysics ..it all comes together ..
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the enlightenment!Namaste
My understanding is: Our consciousness is our immortal self. As perceived by quantum physics, the physical material reality is a kind of illusion. Nothing is really solid. In the quantum level, all matters are made of atoms which are basically particles of energy vibrating in certain frequencies. Our bodies are not solid in the strictest sense of the word. Solidity is merely an illusion. What is real may be only consciousness manifesting itself like an energy in the quantum level. Consciousness may be viewed as the all pervading reality of the cosmos that exist like a medium as a whole but broken into infinite realms. We are part of that reality and manifesting in this physical realm. What makes this physical realm is its distinct vibrational frequency.
Excellent comment, thank you.
Guys, al magallanes has it in a nutshell.... bravo! :))
You said more that is clear and understandable than the speakers. But I'm saddened that the universities are getting grants which seem mostly to shore up materialism, which has caused all of the wars and problems of the world. We finally get a hard science which has proven that "there is NO MATTER as such" (Max Planck) and that OUR thoughts or observations create our reality, and it appears "science" can't deal with it but instead give all sorts of confusing theories that are all attached to matter. We need scientists who are unafraid of criticism and question, if we are not made of matter, what are we? If we are creating our reality, we need proof and there are people and scientists proving there's healing going on by simply knowing the Truth of our non material nature, which really could set us free, and be that Quantum Leap humanity has needed for thousands of years. But I love both of these men as they seem to be sincere seekers of the Truth.
The answer is that consciousness is not in the "mind", consciousness is located in the heart
Thanks.
The hard problem of consciousness has been solved a few years ago in a very elegant way. We are elastic holistic holograms embedded into our brains. And our Universe is also a hologram embedded into the higher dimensional space. We are living in the multidimensional holographic world. This is the only possible solution.
What you described in no way "solves" the hard problem of consciousness. How does a hologram in our brain or in higher dimensions result in our inner self-aware experience of qualia? The hard problem of consciousness goes away only when one realizes that consciousness is fundamental, and that everything else are merely objects within consciousness. These objects include, of course, brains, holograms, and higher dimensions (and space itself, for that matter).
They are discussing with each other but what is this video for?
The univese, like life, exists in a stream of energy.
There is only one miracle but it is a fractal.
The past is material the future is possibility.
I think the idea of who or what consciousness is... ...largely... ...depends on our knowledge, explanation, idea, speculation, theory or proof of... ...what happens to it ... when the body loses consciousness.
Many humans lose consciousness every day under general anesthesia and due to other reasons.
What really exists then, what happens to the consciousness then, what happens to the me (the consciousness)... I think... is the key to understanding what consciousness (me) really is.
I believe that my personal consciousness is as likely to extend beyond the death of my material body, as is the personal consciousness of an alligator.
Very good talk.
Lord Ram (an incarnation of God) touching the feet of the rishi/sage (20:11 - 20:54) reminds me of Jesus washing the feet of his disciples.
It doesn't really matter where consciousness comes from.
It only matters that you are.
I think the truth is coming out. God does exist, God is this ocean of consciousness that gives life to the various universes it has created. Our God is a creative God.
The steady state theory has been totally refuted. We now know the universe is finite and came into existence a finite time ago.
Tom Campbell's lectures are on TH-cam.
But the neat thing is that both are "recreating" that rose from different perspectives
i just have a small question to what was said in the last segment of the video, that after death there may be a temporary consciousness and then it may be recycled as in reincarnation,, so what if , in case, ( i mean if made possible) , that if a person dies, and what if after his death, and after the temporary consciousness phase, when it is time for the consciousness to recycle, what is , there was no vacancy left on this earth, like no more child birth ever, so where would this consciousness go, and what would happen to it being recycled?? please do comment
+Mukesh Chhetri It is estimated that there are about two-to-three trillion planets just in our galaxy alone! In addition, it is estimated that there is an average of about 150 billion galaxies in this Universe, each galaxy with its own set of a trillion planets. It would be very naïve and egocentric to think that only the earth has intelligent life. We still don't know whether reincarnation is a fact or not. However, if hundreds of years from now reincarnation is found to be a fact, then it's easy to see that there are "plenty" of planets for the soul to reincarnate and continue its journey towards perfection when the Earth is no longer available. Oh, yes, and then there is String Theory with its Multiverse Theory that predicts that our Universe is not the only one out there. The Multiverse Theory predicts that there at least 10^700 (10 to the power of 700) Universes besides our own! Can you imagine the number of planets available for reincarnation? Peace!
i understand, what you've said, it answers a lot of it, thanks! but still, the presence of a habitable planet for human existence is yet to be found! till then we can be hopeful and have faith in our science!