Just ask them to show it from the Scriptures. They cannot. Yet they preach it as truth. It's all based on a gross perversion of Daniel 9, where they take the actual Messiah prophecy of the 70th week, and apply it to antichrist instead. Raw blasphemy.
At one time I went through the same thing. Have them watch the TH-cam video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" to show them the original source of the doctrine in black and white. It came from Edward Irving's English translation of a book written by a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza. Irving taught doctrine from the book at the Albury Prophetic conference about 1826. John Nelson Darby taught the doctrine at the Powerscourt Prophetic conference a few years later. Darby became the chief promoter of the doctrine after Irving died during 1834. New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the three questions below? Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Dispensationalism has led to the erroneous, bifurcated belief for the people of God, that the church isn't the visible people of God, and mistakenly makes🇮🇱 the visible people of God (a new Replacement Theology).
The major problem about dispensationalism is a lot of evangelicals embrace it but don't know about its origins nor its errors nor the theology itself. Sad. It took me 20 years to unlearn this heresy.
Thank you for calling it heresy. I know a lot of Christian people who won't go that far and call it that, and I think they should because it is heretical.
Better late than never. Some refuse to see the light. You investigated and found truth .Amen. Now we need to expose it to the world to glorify God and slap the devil.
@@langleybeliever7789 True, but most don't STUDY it for themselves. They take the word of their favorite rock star preacher, who also didn't study for himself, but was taught dispensational heresy at SEMINARY which sourced it from the corrupt Scofield Bible, which was sourced ultimately from.the jesuit order, which fabricated futurism and preterism to protect their beloved man of sin, the POPE.
@@langleybeliever7789It would speak for itself if you were the original audience which you aren't. It was written to other people but also for our benefit. Not the same thing. That's why we have methods of hermeneutics; we should try to learn the surroundings historical influenced, cultural influences, linguistic influences, etc. You, as a presumably, Western Christian 2000yrs later does not understand Scripture the same way the first few centuries of the church would.
@dfkuz paul called the rapture a mystery, it goes with several other mysteries. To know the truth you must receive revelation. Majority with miss what God gives eyes to see and ears to hear
@@TedMyrrh He called it a mystery but he didn't call it a rapture. During Acts, the kingdom was being offered to the nation of Judah if she would accept the proposal of marriage from the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. If she had accepted it, he would have celebrated "the marriage supper of the Lamb" with her, and make good on his promise to give her "many mansions." Alas,the bride said no and that's the end of the sad story for her because, like Joseph was counseled to do when Mary was found with child, God quietly put his runaway bride away and gave her a divorce in Acts 28:28-31 KJV. Everything in Acts was focused on that subject, would the chosen nation of Judah accept her Messiah and receive her kingdom. Nothing else was as important as that, and seeing as we are not citizens of that nation (and we can't be; it's completely gone), we are not the ones being offered marriage with the Son of God. It is pure spiritual larceny or perhaps just ignorance to insert our pagan Gentile, non-first-century-Jew selves into a scenario that never had anything to do with us in the first place. Let that sad story sin into the sunset - God does not want to be reminded of it any more than a human suitor wants to be reminded of the girl that said no. Pagan Gentiles not keeping any laws or ordinances and eating as much bloody pork and slimy shellfish as they desired were never allowed salvation since the Hebrews were led through the wilderness in the Exodus and God gave his children the law of Moses. The only possible way a pagan could join himself to the twelve tribes of Israel was to go through an arduous and painful (circumcision) conversion process. No one that wasn't a circumcised kosher Jew could get anywhere near the Hebrews or the temple when it was built, and that continued right through the Acts period! You and I would have been told to leave the doorstep if we had asked entrance into any of the Acts churches which were usually held in synagogues. It was not until Acts ended in failure for the Jews to receive a kingdom and a Messiah that God revealed the mystery that for the first time allowed anyone anywhere to receive eternal life without any requirements to keep the law of Moses. Yes, Paul called the glorious second coming of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, a mystery, and he spoke of that great hope of meeting their Lord in the air and accompanying him back to the earth for the wedding and the conquest of their enemies - and that is the subject of both 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4! The second coming of the Messiah just as he had promised in Matthew 16:28, and 10:23. Trumpets were a huge part of Israel's feasts and celebrations so it's no surprise there are trumpets mentioned. Trumpets have nothing to do with the revelation of the mystery and Jesus will appear probably very quietly when he returns, Colossians 3:4; yes, Christ returns TO THE EARTH TO STAY during the mystery by which we pagans were saved (and every unsaved human is a pagan today and ever since Acts ended); and there is no return to Israel's or Judah's prophecy. That was their final chance back in Acts. There is no "rapture" of any humans to heaven; we are not created to dwell in that realm. John Darby really messed up the evangelical churches across the U.S. and Europe when he let a possibly demon-possessed Scottish girl draw him into her delusion and now many Christians are deluded also. That myth has caused even studious Bible scholars to twist and misinterpret scripture just to protect the fairy tale that draws people in and keeps them in the pews filling the collection plates! Their pocketbooks and church coffers won't let them even attempt to think this through in a truly dispensational manner!
Recognizing everything that can be said about Gary Demar, his description of "clearing the theological chessboard" with regard to dispensationalism is 100% accurate. The system requires certain pieces glued to certain spots that they could not reach on their own, and everything else has to move around them. You cannot start from scratch and derive dispensationalism from the Bible without presupposing it
I would like an example or two. If God is on His King square, I will not be the one to move Him. Do you resent that He is glued there? What does God say in the Bible that you don't like? Where does Dispensationalism voice dislike with what God has declared? What pieces do we glue to spots that they would not get to on their own? I do not understand what your chess analogy wants to say. I fought against dispensationalism when it was new to me. I had to start from scratch fighting it point by point. I became one. Covenant Theology, needs to be taught because it is fictional. For example the covenant of works with Adam is supposed to be in Genesis 2:16-17. But WHERE is the law? Where is the promise of righteousness and eternal life for Adam and his descendants if he obeyed? And please explain how "that law continued to be perfect rule of righteousness" for his descendants? Difficult when the Garden was locked and guarded and access to that tree was impossible. All made up. Fiction.
@@JosephBoxmeyer It's not my analogy, and the analogy is about how we do hermeneutics and derive theology. The analogy isn't as deep as pinning specific theologies to a specific piece. The point is that things like "the rapture", "the Antichrist", the Church not yet being part of the New Covenant, etc are assumed and can't be questioned. It's **like** the C1 Bishop (white, left side) being glued to C4 and we then have to play (interpret the Bible) without moving it
@@JosephBoxmeyer He cannot explain it because it is a figment of his imagination. The truly deception is that of those who fail to hear the whole counsel of God's Word.
@@davidcooper1201I fear that the Lord has imposed a blindness and a hardness upon much of His Church because the outright reject His word. I can see no other explanation for the degree of obstinacy in twisting the Bible. I have lately become depressed over the insistence that God cannot save Jews, that Israel must mean Gentiles.
More than this, I think the popularization of dispensationalism has played a huge role in the shifting of Christian thinking that has allowed the decline of Western civilization. It's not the sole culprit, by any means, but it's one side of the larger problem that I think far too few people recognize as part of the problem. Many of the implications of dispensationalism incentivize a very insular and defeatist mindset about the world and the Christian's role in it which has caused much of Christianity to neglect its essential role as salt and light, which has created a cultural vacuum that has been filled by a lot of nefarious, destructive, and subversive secular ideologies, especially since the 1960s and 70s. I grew up in this sort of environment, and I love many of the people that often unconsciously subscribe to it (and many who are diehard proponents), but I have really grown to despise a lot about this worldview and what it has done to society, and I'm still trying to learn about other Christian perspectives to find areas in which I still need to reform my own thinking. The fact that I discovered that there was so much more beyond the confines of what I knew played a big role in saving my faith.
Sounds like you could be J.W., R.C., LDS, SDA they are all grace rejecting. You are BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS , PART OF HIS BODY. The bible says your faith is counted for righteousness.
Exactly. It has people blessing antichrist synagogue of satan over in the occupied state of Palestine. If it weren't for dispensationalists rooting for the people falsely called Isreal, they wouldn't be stealing all our money, weapons and they wouldn't be allowed to commit genocide!
A defeatist mindset. Probably communism too. You really seem to be clueless about dispensationalism. But that is understandable if you learn what you know from teachers such as this.
@@JosephBoxmeyerSure. You believe in the anti-christ as a man from a european BUT of roman background who will sit on a newly built temple in Israel. Where there will be a rapture, angels fighting against demons, 4 horse men, and 7 years of tribulation…
It will take generations for this to fade if it ever does.. I started questioning this theology at 9 years old and because of the blow back I got from the adults in my life, I learned early not to trust in men. It did not shake my faith in God, but no one was teaching anything different to me. I gave up on trying to understand the Bible many times when I was younger. Praise God I was being raised in a Christian home at least! My mother had the really great habit of praying for her children ceaselessly, I found my way out of confusion and to an understanding of how to rightfully digest the word of God. We still debate eschatology sometimes when I don't watch what I say. She's 90, and it's never good to argue with your mother especially when she's this old.. I understand her reluctance to part with the theology, as it is a large part of her identity. It's the same for many others too. The men who started this, the men who fully understand the theological implications behind what they are teaching are going to be held accountable I believe. I would not want to be in the shoe's of anyone who rejects understanding and truth for self willed sensationalism.
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 I try to stay away from labeling myself.. Often these dividing distinctions in doctrines revolve around eschatology. Jesus gave us several parables about being ready, he was also clear that even he doesn't know when that last day will be.. It's pretty clear where we are to focus our attention in life according to Jesus. Doctrines of dubious distinction, and it's division are discouraged definitively throughout the entire bible. I'm just trying to stick with Jesus. I encourage everyone to do the same, and to examine the ideas of all men with a spiritual 'ten foot pole'.
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 it might not be God drawing you toward Covenental Theology. First examine Genesis to see where God promised Adam eternal life for success in a trial period of obedience. The Covenant of Works is based on this. But there is no such promise. And basic also is to equate Adam's "law" with the Mosaic law. Supposedly the same! And then Jesus was obligated to obey the law to earn righteousness for us and to earn eternal life for us by law obedience. This is why they need to make up the covenant of works with Adam, with him having both the law and the eternal life promise. And please read Romans three. Righteousness without the law! Righteousness without the works of the law. But the Jesuit Roman Catholic Covenant Theology system denies Romans three and demands that Jesus earn righteousness and eternal life for us BY LAW WORKS! They reject "righteousness without the law". Jesuits. Anti-Christ theology.
I was raised with this heretical belief and I just assumed it was the standard in most sects and denoms which really pushed me away from considering going to any Church by the time I was 19 for years. Only the last few months years later have I started taking things seriously and have gotten this far in learning it's completely new and man-made uninspired origins. God's mercy is truly infinite, I never thought I'd get specific info on this and would forever be shunned as a conspiracy theorist by family.
@Yellow_Fish7 it's not heresy it's mystery revealed to paul in this present age for gentiles. Study pauls mysteries instead of propagandizing, straw man arguments, prooftexting,pride, judgements and ad hominim attacks. Pride deceives everyone who thinks they are right and smart, but they can't learn or see. This is why the Bible says " let him with ears hear what the spirit says"
I watch a video from people who believe in dispensationalism and I get scripture after scripture proving their point. I watch videos refuting dispensationalism and it’s all, “trust me bro, church fathers bro, indulgences and crusades bro, church history bro.” No scripture. What am I to make of that?
@@johno8886 Heresy is dangerous. You're basically saying that everyone can believe different things and some of them might be right, idk, but it's probably fine anyway, right? cuz all ya gotta do is "believe" in Jesus. The early Church was of one mind. If you tried to say that some other doctrine was true, you were excommunicated and no longer a part of the Church. You can come back into the Church if you repent of your heresy and submit yourself to the teachings of the Church, which are the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. The seven ecumenical councils are infallible and must be believed by Christians. There is only ONE second coming of Christ, not a secret second coming, and then a "real" second coming, and the Old Covenant has passed away and is no longer valid.
Read Acts 1.....Jesus preached to the disciples on the Kingdm of God for 40 days....it is obvious because of their question that the diciples expect the Kingdom of Israel to be restored. You should be careful to hear the whole counsel of God's Word. It is part of God's overall plan which your unbelief cannot eradicate.
@@davidcooper1201 with all due respect, the kingdom the disciples were looking for and inquiring about did not come to fruition because their Messiah was rejected and cut off. I think it would be really nice if supposed brothers and sisters in Christ could allow iron to sharpen iron with the spirit of love, wouldn’t you agree? Let us strive for that in Jesus name. Blessings
Do you believe that Jesus is currently King and that He has all authority in heaven and on the earth? The Bible sure indicates it so. Revelation 1:5-6 says that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on earth" and that He has "made us a kingdom". Are these verses said in the past, present, or future tense? What about all of these verses about Jesus reigning as King? are they in the past, present, or future tense? Colossians 3:1--"If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." Hebrews 1:3--"After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrews 8:1--"we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven" Hebrews 10:12--"But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God," Hebrews 12:2--"looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." Revelation 3:31--Jesus is telling the believers/church to "conquer" in order to receive the same reward as He has received--"as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne."
Well done. When I was in evangelicalism, I was given the impression that this was the only eschatological position the Scriptures taught. Now, as a confessional Lutheran, I know better.
Sure thing, as soon as you can prove to me that dispensational pre-millennialism was taught by somebody before Darby or Schofield. As soon as you show me who did, show me their charts, and show me that it was a prevalent belief in the early church, then we’ll talk.
@@Outrider74 silly. Just silly. Your logic is aligned with this video. Explain to me why it is important for a theology to be old. Satan has a theology older than any human's. Is that what you want? Dispensationalism is more recent because they took the time to read the Bible first. That is why the prophecies fit. Because what God put in the Bible was the priority, not trying to agree with Roman Catholic Theology.
@@JosephBoxmeyer Truthfully, this is a very obtuse and intellectually stinted comment. A theology's age has a LOT to do with bearing witness to its truth. If a doctrinal position cannot be found in the early church, or in Scripture itself, we have very, VERY good reason to, at the very least, be suspicious of it.
Nowhere in Rev 20 does it say that Christ is going to reign on earth! According to Matt 28:18, Eph 1:20-23 and more he is already reigning. Hallelujah!
Thank you so much for this video, and the others I have not yet watched. I'm sharing with many friends, in hopes they will continue to share with others, so the truth will spread more rapidly than the lie of dispensationalism did. I am in full agreement with what you've said, and have given the same reasons for my viewpoint when trying to explain why I'm not a pretrib/premil believer. Too often, I'm brushed off as being one who has not read my bible! There are some, though, that at least listen, and I've tried to find videos that aren't too lengthy to share with them, as I'm not the best teacher...so thank you for filling that need! I look forward to watching all of your videos, and I pray your viewership grows. God bless you, your family, and your mission to teach truth!
Thank you, Mary. My eschatology playlist will be the easiest way to find my other videos dealing with this area of theology. May we all continue to grow into a greater unity for the sake of Christ our Lord! Blessings to you!
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy. It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn. It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled. I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders. It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now. Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video. For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse. That's been my experience thus far. So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind Lord help us W
@@wulfclaw4921 I have had these same experiences brother. It's so disheartening at times. I'm in the rural southern US and the only type of churches around me are ones that are dispensational. I can't go to a church that holds to those beliefs because they are obsessed with it, obsessed with modern day Israel being "God's chosen people". They say I don't read my Bible, or don't understand it. Or that I'm anti-Semitic, or a racist. They call me divisive and that I need to get right with God because I am not a dispensationalist. It's all so bizarre. May the Lord open their blind eyes.
I unlearned all that in the early 90s, by reading the bible. What a joy to be able to read and learn Gods word with the Holy Spirit guiding me ! Darby fooled a lot of people. The way out of false teaching is to read the bible.
Make sure you test that spirit. if it’s leading you towards an allegorical hermeneutic id be concerned of being on a path towards making God into your own image and calling God a liar. Spoiler: the church is different than Israel, read Romans 11 again. Millenium means 1000 years The time of Jacob’s trouble is specific for a reason
@@Jilly85Amen. I might quit dispensationalism. I just found out that Darby and Scofield were sinners! Next they will be accused of being Roman Catholic priests.
I first heard about the rapture in the Charismatic Renewal of the late seventies. This was the heyday of Tim LaHey and Hal Lindsey. I kept quiet about not buying it for twenty years until I came across a book “The Blessed Hope.” I stayed on the down-low, but down deep I always thought that rapture theology is “too cute by half.” There were too many flow charts and white boards for me. This error has spawned an increase in Christian Zionism and Christian Zionism that further muddies the water of sound doctrine. I’m much relived to attend an Orthodox Church without all the drama.
Great video Jonah, I love what you are doing with your channel and I am so thankful that I do not consider myself a dispensationalist anymore as I used to, I am now more partial preterist, post millennialist, and whatever else one might label my view of eschatology.
I don’t need to see what early church “fathers” believed to figure out where I stand in matters of faith. I have a complete Bible in my language, the Word of God and I am told to rightly divide the word. This video is useless.
"I don't need anyone to tell me anything, I know better than 2,000 years of collective wisdom of Christians all around the world, I've got the Holy Spirit guiding me and you don't, I'm the sole authority of what the Bible actually says, I, I, I, me, me, me!!!"
@@sakamotosan1887 don’t put your faith in men, put your faith in the word of God itself. We have direct access to God, the veil has been torn, stop believing men. Lean not on your own understanding.
Correct conclusion. Incorrect reasons for coming to the conclusion. Dispensationalism is false because God’s Word doesn’t teach it. Not because of “orthodoxy”, church fathers or creeds. The church fathers are the Apostles, and their teachings are the New Testament.
I think galatians 2 might disagree that they all fathered the church and that the entire New Testament is directed towards the church. All apostles weren't to the church. Also see Romans 11 especially verse 25. All apostles weren't dedicated to the church and neither were their messages all for the church. I agree that we don't follow the early church traditions but don't necessarily agree that this man has come to any correct conclusions. He also never actually used the Bible to back up any of his claims and refuted it by his claims more than once.
Your arguments don't invalidate the arguments you took issue with in the video. The only one I take issue with is the "it's a modern innovation" argument. While that might add to the case for its invalidity, it's not an argument in and of itself. Just because an idea is older or newer does not make it inherently better or worse. Time is relative, and the second Temple Jews basically made the same argument against the early Christians because relative to when they lived, Christianity was a "modern" innovation. It's just not a good argument, but everything else he said was completely valid.
Ah, God's Word doesn't teach anything about a systematic theology. There is nothing false about dispensationalism except in the minds of those who prefer their own systematic study of Scripture. So show me what I believe that is not taught in God's Word and I will be glad to use the Word of God to square away your "doctrine, and reprove you and help you understand more clearly correction in righteousness" (II Timothy 3:16).
@@davidcooper1201well said. One cannot objectively read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and come to the conclusion that dispensationalism is false. I mean the word is literally written in the texts.
To believe in dispensations is to believe the gospel itself. "What is, what was, what will be again" the "alpha and the omega". . But the doctrine of dispensationalism the way its taught is the latter days doctrine of demons spoken about in the book of Timothy. Because what it does is make two paths. One for the Jew, one for the church. It turns the church into the "side chick" for God, and focuses everything on the Jewish law, calendars, feasts, ect. Because the doctrine itself agrees with the pharisee that Jesus spoke with 2000 years ago. . "We have Abraham as our Father". So i argue that to follow the doctrine of dispensationalism as it is mainstream taught, one cannot be a Christian as they deny the first coming of Jesus by agreeing with the pharisee that the blood of Abraham is sufficient. "Believe in Jesus and be saved" but also "claim to be a Jew living in Israel by flesh and God is going to save you anyway". It's a denial of the free will, the loosened chains that Christ purchased on the cross. The denial that it is his blood shed which made children of Abraham, not nepotism of flesh. They cannot be a Christian, because they deny Jesus and his first coming. They are actually by their deeds and understanding. . Jews themselves. As they deny Christ was the messiah. "Their lips speak of his name but their hearts are far from him"
I grew up hearing this theology in church even though I could easily tell that it is not scriptural. I could never follow their stupid charts in the books and the books by Hal Lindsey that I bought out of curiosity were all thrown out with the recyclable newspapers because that is where they belonged.
I have not read lindsay. Don't care. But non dispensationalists don't like charts because they require accountability. You can't hide. Imagine a chart produced by people who believe that the thousand years all happened in 70 AD ! Funny. So then where was the tribulation? So the chart would show how Satan was prevented from deception during the destruction of Jerusalem. And Jesus was reigning in peace and justice as Christians were being massacred. I understand why your theology is allergic to charts.
@@davidcooper1201 l do not know how ANY born again believers can say that dispensations ARE NOT biblical.. it's a wonderful truth of God's timetables and plans
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation. Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time? Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
@noway5378 couldn't be more anti biblical We are most definitely not living in the Kingdom of God. Physical Kingdoms have a physical King His name is Jesus. He is coming soon. The prayer, thy kingdom COME thy will be done on EARTH. This is a FUTURE event. Do you really think God's will is being done? The 1000 year reign is REAL and accurate to the second. It is NOT a figure of speech. It starts SOON.
@@boldbeliever52 Dude, nobody here believes that mess any longer. We've been delivered from that deception & heresy. I know you mean well, but you are believing false man-made doctrine. Research the origins of it.
@@boldbeliever52 So you are saying that Jesus has to be physically on this earth in order to be King even though He already declared that He has ALL authority in heaven and on the earth? Was God physically present when He declared that He was Israel's king in Exodus 19:5-6--"IF you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant (then) you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples...and you shall be to me a KINGDOM of priests and a holy nation." (Note--a conditional covenant--"if, then") In the Exodus passage above, the Israelites were only 3 months out from leaving Egypt and they were still wandering around in the desert. So, God made them a KINGDOM even though they had no "official" land boundaries. In the NT, Peter declared those who are obedient to King Jesus' commands "are a chosen race, a ROYAL (as pertaining to a King) priesthood, a holy nation..." Notice that this is in the present tense, not a future tense. It's also similar to what God declared back in Exodus above but applying it to the Church. John, after declaring that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on the earth" (Rev 1:5), goes on to say to the King's followers that He "made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father..." (Rev 1:6). What tense is this--past, present, or future?
Explain to me how you read this part of Romans 11: Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; 27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[e] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. 33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! 34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?” 35 “Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?”
@@Jilly85 Thanks I will reply as soon as I have a bit of time. However I probably see it the same as you do. God is going to have mercy on Israel. Many is going to turn to Christ.
Bingo. God’s chosen are not actually chosen, but he who chooses to believe and obey the word of God, and ye shall be called the children of God. It is not about ethnicity as that was proven when God asked Esau first if he would obey the Torah and be His ppl, he rejected. Abraham decided to accept. The new covenant supersedes the old covenant which the Jewish ppl rejected as explained in the book of Malachi.
The following proves you are correct. Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the word “remnant” in Romans 9:27, with the word “nation”? 6. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 7. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 8. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 9. Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 10. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 11. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? (See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.) Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
The Bible teaches that this world is darkness and corrupt and rejected by God. My kingdom is not of this world is a direct quote. They that are in the flesh cannot please God is another quote. The children of the flesh are not the children of God a quote. God is a Spirit are all reality.
The problem is that everyone needs a "system" or label. Why not just call yourself a Christian and be done with labels such as "reformed" or "Calvinist"?
Consider it shorthand for Beliefs. Calvinism is merely a codification of the nature of God as revealed through scripture. And Theology is important to ensure various doctrines are coherent
Mr. Cathlocity, I agree the teaching of dispensationalism is bad theology. Speaking as a protestant and Reformed. There are several Reformed teachers who also are dispensationists: John MacArthur and Irwin Lutzer, to name two. But then you have whole other groups in the Arminian side who are wholeheartedly dispensationists and, in my opinion, wrong on both counts.
@devothebot3008 P.s. I would also say you can't be Roman Catholic and be a Christian if your beliefs are in line with the pope in Rome and Alphonso Ligouri.
@@blchamblisscscp8476I'm very much not a Roman Catholic and would have a hard time bending the knee to papal rule for a lot of reasons, but to say that Roman Catholics aren't Christian in the core sense of the word is completely absurd.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by Bob George, and David H.J. Gay. ===================== Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy. It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn. It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled. I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders. It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now. Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video. For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse. That's been my experience thus far. So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind Lord help us W
I wouldn't say that you're an unbeliever or anything like that. Just that you're a bit dramatic. I mean it's denominational theology. It wasn't exactly pretty between the apostles themselves in galatians chapter 2. Why would you expect it to be different now?
There are lots of lies told about dispensationalism. For example, they say that Darby got his pre-trib lation rapture from a crazy girl's dream.. Actually that cannot be true because the dream that she saw was an ANTI- pre trib rapture. And they talk about dispensationalism being invented by a Jesuit. Another lie. I have read most of that book myself, I have challenged these guys. They cannot show me ANYTHING in the book that is dispensational. NOTHING!! I suspect that all of those stories are equally slander. Lies.
@@paulwise6856 sure, just stuff it into 70 AD.. nobody will hold you accountable for something silly like that. Covenant Theology has always been reckless, irresponsible. Immature theologies are allowed to do such things with the Bible.After all, it's not as though God wrote it !
I agree with you, brother. I would recommend using scripture rather than creeds to prove your thesis. This is considered one of the weaknesses of our position among dispensationalists. Otherwise, fantastic presentation!
What John Nelson Darby, the inventor of Dispensationalism, was trying to do is create some distance between Catholic and Protestant theologies. I think there is sufficient distance but apparently he did not think so. Nevertheless, after cooking up this philosophy of history he tried to get the Catholic Church to adopt it and cause Catholicism and Protestantism to become more unlike each other. Apparently the actual wars between Catholics and Protestants in the past did not catch his attention. The various Catholic churches he presented this idea rejected it. He travelled to the United States and the Protestant churches he visited swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Dispensationalism has several problems, many covered by numerous and insightful theologians, but my favorites are: (1) the unfolding of this system requires not only the first Second Coming of Jesus but at least a second Second Coming and if the system is understood in a particular manner the result requires a third Second Coming of Jesus; (2) the system's claim that men are saved in different ways at different times is an outright contradiction of Hebrews 11:6; (3) dispensationalism's claim that certain prophetic events are yet to be fulfilled in the future implies that Jesus cannot return at this very moment because these so-called events have not yet taken place, a concept the Apostle Paul would vigorously disagree with. Also, the fact that this system did not exist before 1850 should have been a warning, but most of the spiritually weak and blind are not concerned with facts.
Hi Jonah. New subscriber here and just saw this post from last year. I completely 💯 percent agree with your take on this topic. I also wants to note that if this is not a christian theology then in my opinion the traching of Thai system of dispensationalism is blasphemy. It is a system that try to add to what the scripture already telling us. Looking forward to hear more of your discussion on Christianity. God bless.
Dispensational thinking's so unscriptural because, summarily it removes the Christology from the very namesake of Christianity itself. It constrains God to be cursory or material. Why'd he default back to the other covenants (Keep in mind, they're all overarchingly horizontal extensions of the Messianic Covenant in that of grace between what both the Covenants of Redemption and Works underline. And much of Dispensationalism suggests that soteriology wasn't always through Jesus, but in as their literal name implies multifaceted "promises" of God. The Church as God's real Israel was the assembly of the Old Testament Saints that was fully actualized residually with the apostolic succession and wasn't this randomly Plan B kind of mysterious parenthesis in God's masterplan. Also, God divorced ethnic Israel as Jeremiah recorded) when the completed work of the cross was for both one and all times? The only way humans can remotely know God's in that of Jesus as with hermeneutics. The Old Testament's interpreted in the contextual light of the New through Jesus' lens. That's the greatest comfort we have with Covenant Theology in the Reformed way's that as long as one has the love of Jesus in them, they're ALL EQUALLY 'part of God's truly spiritual Israel in that of the Church and Jesus'll ALWAYS BE THE VERY HEAD as Paul wrote under the guidance of the Spirit in the epistle to the Colossians. We're all with both the same visceral DNA and citizenship because of our faith in Jesus Christ no matter what fleshly categories we have anyway proving how perfectly just our Heavenly Father's always going to be. There's no kind of legalism or forms of classism by status. If it was the other way around, it'd read, "By faith through grace" as opposed to "BY grace THROUGH faith." Pretribuational measures to Eschatology in my estimation're to assigns inconsistent forms of fluidity to God when, we know his nature's PERFECTLY CONSISTENT forever. "Jesus Christ's the same yesterday, today and forever." -Hebrews 13:8, ESV.
Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: Collosians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
We're all going to find out pretty soon I think. J.N. Darby..., oh my. Schofield and a few others. Flawed men to be sure, but that's all of us to one degree or another. However, even a broken clock is right twice a day. A few factors, nevertheless, need some consideration. The only information that has come to us in modern times from the early Church has been filtered through a thousand years of the Catholic Church, and just as with the scriptures, we really don't have any of their original manuscripts, nor do we have all of their complete works so far as we know. In addition, after the RCC, Aquinas, Augustine, and a few others were done finalizing their Amillennialism, and altering or burning any documentation or people that didn't agree with their theology right up until they couldn't get away with it anymore; it's not surprising that that the RCC and most of the groups that splintered off from them hold similar positions, and have lost interest in the prophetic aspects of the Bible. The scriptures do strongly indicate that there are things that will not be understood until the latter days. And many aspects of prophecy were ignored in the past because they didn't really have a way to make it fit into their theology. Do I think that Dispensational Hermeneutics and pre-tribulation eschatology are the only correct interpretation of the Bible? No, however, I also think it should not be dismissed out of hand merely because many others say it should be. Darby didn't originate Dispensational Hermeneutics. There were others that held similar views; and Darby and Schofield were more like popularizers that spread it around so that others could examine the scriptures and build upon it. Perhaps this is a bad thing, but so long as the basic Gospel message is kept, I think the Lord Jesus Christ allows for a bit of goofy theology. And I feel certain that every branch of Christianity has some of that. The Lord Jesus in His infinite wisdom DIDN'T (except for the Gospel) write down and chisel in stone a complete and detailed system of theology that was to be rigorously followed without deviation or development. We were given the Gospel, the Lord's supper, baptism, and a bit of guidance from the Apostles, and the Bible; which is all we really need. So, given that, and the tendency of people to mess with things that are working just fine, and the possibility that Jesus wants us to search the scriptures for better understanding. (But not development) It's not surprising that some people have seen some things in the scriptures that were discarded or passed over in the past. Does that mean they are thereby wrong? Probably only time will tell. But you might want to keep an open mind, read your Bible, study it, and keep an eye on the news, because things are happening that are very interesting in the light of prophecy and eschatology. Going up?! 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
The IFB church i attend has never said this to my knowledge. But....they do teach dispensationalism and rapture, the confusing distinction between Israel and the church, etc. I'm sure there might be others who do teach it though. Point is, dispensationalism is nothing but confusion! And God is not the Author of confusion. So the conclusion would be that man has once again butchered the Word of God to suit his delusional mind and it has spread like fire. May the Lord keep us sharp and able to discern truth from lies. 🙏
Religious groups in Israel have been planning on rebuilding the Temple and offering sacrifice. This may not be Christian teaching, yet it's what Jews believe.
To be clear I don't categorize myself as a dispensationalist or covenant theorist. I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and I believe that God is outside of time who does things in the fullness of time, is a covenant making and Covenant keeping God. I do want to note some verses for you to investigate. Ephesians 1:10 that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ both which are in heaven and which are on the earth even in him. 3:2 if you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward. ... it's just a funny but dispensation is actually found there :) A literal catching away of the saints is biblical or John 14;1-3 would have to be false...Jesus is promising in that scripture that if he goes away that he will come again and (receive) us unto himself... that where he is that we may also be. That's 1. Coming again 2. To receive us 3. Unto Himself 4. That (where He is) 5. We may also be. Those are the words of Jesus and some of us take those words to Heart :) Isaiah 26:19-21 your dead men shall live together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing you that dwell in the dust for your dew is as the dew of the herbs and the Earth shall cast out the Dead. Come my people enter into your Chambers and shut your doors, hide yourself as it were for a little moment until the indignation be overpast. For behold the Lord comes out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity the Earth also shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain. This passage of scripture clearly parallels with 1st Thessalonians chapter 4:15-18 and 1st Corinthians chapter 15:50-57 Revelation 3:10 So it's no secret :) Revelation 20:4 and I saw Thrones and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God and which had not worship the Beast neither his image neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they LIVED and REIGNED WITH CHRIST FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. I don't think I need to add anything to that that's pretty clear but there is a rule and reign of Christ for 1000 years immediately following the tribulation. Just listening to your teaching it's apparent to me that you need to re-read Romans chapter 1 to understand that there are consequences that are going to be the match and judgement will be executed through the Lord Jesus Christ Rev 5:9-10 Also please read 2nd Peter 3 again and re-evaluate what "reserved for fire" just might be implying. Thanks
Martin Luther compounded the dispensationalist error. First of all, he taught that anything we might do to add to faith was " works. Not realizing that it is our faith in action through obedience that saves us. When Martun Luther realized that Jewry as a whole rejected his doctrine he turned against them. This bred antisemetism. Time and time again Jesus had people do acts of obedience in order prove their faith. As a result, He told them " Your faith has healed you.". Being saved is being born again and just as natural childbirth is the end result of a process, so is spiritual rebirth. Acts 2:38 is that process.
All of these videos use the same misrepresentation of dispensationalism to make their point using little or no scripture. And by scripture I mean the Old and New Testament, not creeds or tradition.
No where does the NT teach that the church is spiritual Israel. I used to believe that and am familiar with the proofs texts but none of those texts actually teach it.
The millennial temple as described in Ezekiel 40-48 teaches sacrifices which are for forgiveness of sins which is a theocratic forgiveness. It’s not to secure one’s standing before God and justification. It’s not blasphemy at all any more than the sacrifices in the OC accomplished such forgiveness. The real problem is for people who reject disp theology and have to explain what this temple is. This temple has never existed and God desires its existence. So it is a big allegory of the church? One must have a wild imagination to try and make sense of all the intricate details in those chapters to apply them to the body of Christ.
The True Israel of God. ....... Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: . Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. . Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. ....... Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. ....... Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. . Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. . Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. ....... Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. ....... Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. ....... Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. . "if ye be Christ's"
"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Galatians 3:7. "For they are not all Israel which are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children… but the children of promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:6-8. "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29. "For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh." Philippians 3:3, Spiritual and not physical
@@rhondaweber5638 Apples and oranges. Paul is reasoning that true spiritual Israel is SMALLER than physical Israel. Paul is not opening up Israel for Gentiles. Smaller not bigger. Specified, not opened. We are sons of Abraham by faith, not sons of Jacob. Paul would have needed to call us sons of Jacob if he was calling us Spiritual Israel. But he called us sons of Abraham by faith. Not sons of Abraham by Ishmael not sons of Abraham by Isaac. But sons of Abraham BY FAITH.
You "cannot question an ecumenical council"? I can. I do. I have my Bible. That was also the decision of the Reformers. The councils, creeds, and confessions are as important to me as saying the Rosary. Not.
What makes your understanding of the Bible more correct than that of the bishops of the ecumencial councils? What makes you think you're so smart? All I hear from people like you is "I, I, I, me, me, me!!!" "I'm enough on my own! I don't need anyone else's wisdom or guidance! I'm the authority of what the Bible really says! "ME! ME! ME!" Sounds like you're leaning on your own understanding to me. You are full of pride. Pride is the root of all sins. Pride is the sin of the devil. Even the devil can quote Scripture, and every heretic got their theology from Scripture. What makes you think you're so special?
@@sakamotosan1887 it is healthy to be on the watch for prideful interpretation. But as I stated, the Reformers set an an example of questioning Church traditions, councils, and confessions. So here we have two good principles. But balance is not the answer. Pride is always wrong and questioning like a Berean is always correct. I have examined Covenant Theology and have found it to be purely fictitious.
The Bible is Gods word. It says lean not on your own understanding. That also goes for other men’s understanding. Why can’t y’all just read the Bible and believe it?
His kingdom will have no end BUT it must be shorter than one thousand years? The millennium is not in tradition, and therefore the eternal endless reign must be shorter than one thousand years?
You did a beautiful and precise job explaining the prob with dispensionalism. The last 1/3 of the video you lost me a little bit. I’m still reading scripture as pointing towards historic pre-milleniumism and a post tribulation rapture.
Dispensationalists often say that Darby didn’t come up with it. That it was the early church fathers who came up with it. I believe they are in grave error. If you know our Lord, you know His character. A rapture is not of His character. We are to suffer and TRUST and LOVE Him through it all. He suffered for us!!! My goodness there is so much division in the body. Lord in Heaven, if it is your will and for your Glory only, please speed up the days as the crevice gets wider by the day in your body. In the end, we shall be trusting Him. That one day, He will return. The saints are called to suffer for Him. Holy Spirit will give us strength to endure and persevere. Trust in Him. Rest in Him who loves you.
The apostle Paul was a dispensationalist. As soon as one makes a distinction between Law and Grace (OT vs NT) pre cross and after the cross, you become a dispensationalist. Dispensationalism is not a system interpretation, it is the result of a literal interpretation.
I tend to process like a child, so #1 can you in one sentence tell me what is the main problem with a dispensationlism view; one sentence please. #2 do they reject that the bible carries mankind through various dispensations beginning with adam in the garden and ending with Jesus and an age of grace? Thanks
The main problem is--Dispensationalists reject that Jesus is King now and those who obey His commands comprise His kingdom which is expanding all across the earth currently. But according to Dispy's, Jesus must wait until some "future" time to be King and have His kingdom, making the prophet Daniel a false prophet as Dan 2:34-35,44-45 was not fulfilled. Expanding on that--Jesus' first recorded ministry words are about the Kingdom (Mk 1:15). Jesus spoke about the Kingdom of God more than any other subject (125 times in the 4 Gospels). Just prior to His ascension, He continued to speak about the Kingdom (Acts 1:3). The word "Christ" has the concept/meaning of "king" (Lk 23:2). The Apostles spoke about Jesus as King and about His Kingdom (Rev 1:5-6; 1 Pet 2:9), including Paul (Acts 17:7; 28:30-31). The risen King, who has all authority in heaven and on the earth, is seated on His throne which will never be shaken. That is the Good News (i.e. Gospel). Come, enter into the Kingdom.
Also where is "age of grace" found in Scripture? Now, you may say but Paul preached the gospel of grace as Acts 20:24 says "But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD." But I would respond by asking you to just read the very next verse to see what Paul preached (Acts 20:25), "And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I HAVE GONE ABOUT PROCLAIMING THE KINGDOM will see my face again."
@@1754Me I'm not following your line of thinking. Clearly Paul is talking about his message being about the grace of God and that he is likely not going to visit these people again either because the road is leading far away or maybe due to his eventual death.
@@gordonbrownlee2775 You will not find anywhere in the New Testament (or Old for that matter) that says that we are in "the age of grace". Many times, at least the Dispy's I've talked with, will say that we must preach the "gospel of grace" since we are in "the age of grace." Grace, along with salvation, mercy, faithfulness, peace, joy, righteousness, etc. are all characteristics of the Kingdom. Paul says in Rm 14:17 that "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." Has the Holy Spirit been given? Sure. And if you notice, peace and joy are listed as fruits of the Spirit in Gal 5:22 which is for now. I would add that the "fruit of righteousness" as found in Phil 1:11 is also evidence that the Kingdom is now, not an "event" yet future.
For some reason my first original comment isn't showing at times. Hopefully you can see it, but if not, I will post it again. I'll send it in 2 parts so it's not as lengthy. Part 1--The main problem is--Dispensationalists reject that Jesus is King now and those who obey His commands comprise His kingdom which is expanding all across the earth currently. But according to Dispy's, Jesus must wait until some "future" time to be King and have His kingdom, making the prophet Daniel a false prophet as Dan 2:34-35,44-45 was not fulfilled.
Part 1/2 I can appreciate people's various opinions on Eschatology. What I don't particularly like is when someone who is ignorant of the things they claim, then comes to a conclusion like this video does. I am not here to attack this person. I have no clue who he is, but he clearly doesn't understand the topic, which makes it problematic. He's also convinced while not understanding the topic that he's right. We can disagree but he's not well educated on the topic. Just because we have questions that we struggle with doesn't mean that something is false. So did the early Christians talk about dispensational topics? Yes. Now whether or not they are true these ideas did NOT begin with Darby. A rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem AFTER 70AD Barnabas - (First Century) “You can perceive that their hope is vain. Furthermore, the Lord said, ‘Behold, they who destroy this temple, even they will again build it up once more.’ This prophecy was fulfilled because the Jews went to war against their enemy. But even though they are now no more than servants to Rome, they will return and rebuild the temple. It was revealed that the city of Jerusalem, the temple, and the people of Israel were to be given up.” Epistle of Barnabas 16:5-7 Irenaeus (about 180 AD) wrote his 5 volume work called “Against Heresies” “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 Hippolytus (170-235AD): On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "...And after that he (Antichrist) will build the temple in Jerusalem (notice a literal building), and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away." Notice in the references to the 70th week of the final 7 years. Irenaeus- The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months..." Against Heresies 5:25 Hippolytus- For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away." Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist" "Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week (7 years), therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half (1,260 days = 3.5 years). For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8 Thousand-year reign of Jesus, Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81 Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6 The Rapture- Church father Irenaeus 180AD wrote “Against Heresies”: “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” Irenaeus “Against Heresies 5.29 Ephrem 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD Lactantius in the second century between 100-200AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 is when "the Church shall be taken away” Victorinus a bishop who lived in 240AD (martyred 304AD) also wrote "And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up, for the heaven to be rolled away, that is, the Church shall be taken away. And the mountain and the islands removed from their places..." So as you can see whether we disagree or not these ideas were NOT invented by Darby. (Continued in Part 2).
The Temple was for perpetual ceremonial animal sacrifices performed by the priests. The Temple itself served its temporal service and was destroyed in 70 A. D. In connection with His Parousia.
The title is appropriate and accurate. How did this abomination become biblical doctrine to millions of people, yet they cannot show it from the Bible?
The crowning achievement of dispensationalism is to reverse anything, Jesus said. But Jesus did say that the heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall by no means pass away , in 21 verse 33.
There are too many TH-camrs who speak as authorities but lack comprehensive knowledge. Broad knowledge does not equate to comprehensive knowledge. Trivial arguments ensue and Christ is relegated to the back row of the faith.
2:26 Justin Martyr preaching the pre-millenial reign of Christ. That's pretty much half-way home to a biblical eschatology. Now, when was the last time you and your friends preached I Thessalonians 4:17 for the purpose of comforting as Paul commanded you. Got that? He commanded YOU to preach the Rapture/Resurrection. When are you going to place that Rapture (harmadzo)? Try these: Revelation 20:6: "...they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years." Revelation 5:10: "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." So you think Christ is going to leave the faithful dead (not the Grateful Dead) moldering in the ground during the Millennium, hmm? Seems that Rapture has to be at least Pre-Mil. And since the paragraphs immediately following after the Rapture passage in I Thessalonians 4:17 describe the Tribulation period and state: "We are not appointed to wrath!", don't you think that some dispensationalist ideas are pretty well founded (not to say all). You can apologize to the dispensationalists now. They are fairly certain they will be "kept from the hour."
Roman Catholicism, the merging of the Babylonian, pagan Roman Empire with the true Church found in the New Testament isn't biblical. The entirety of Scripture from Genesis through Revelation teaches salvation through God's grace ( mercy, love) without repentance ( God doesn't take it back at anytime) which is completely contrary to what the RCC teaches.
How do you think we got the canon of scripture in the first place? All of the early church writings had to be scrutinized to determine whether or not it was God breathed. They had a method, (hermeneutical process) to verify it was. As a matter of fact, historical record, Polycarp, bishop of SMYRNA, (1 of the 7 in Revelation) and a disciple of John, the revealtor did not accept the book of Revelation as part of the canon of scripture. Do your homework.
I've heard some bad attempts to refute dispensationalism, but this one might be the worst. Have you ever read the Bible? Have you ever studied church history outside of either the Catholic church perspective or the reformed perspective? If not, I would recommend it. Many works have been produced showing that many in the early church and throughout church history held to forms of what we call dispensationalism. And don't let the word "forms" throw you off. All "Christian" beliefs are seen in forms in the early church. Theology has developed over the centuries to bring us to where we are today.
I was a dispensationalist for over 20 years. It was the theological ethos I was brought up in and nurtured in. I'm sorry you feel this was a poor refutation. I have read the early church fathers and councils thoroughly - I also studied at a dispensational institution - and it is quite clear that *nothing* close to modern dispensationalism was present in the early church. Anyone who believes it was present has a poor grasp of historical theology and the context surrounding such a study. In the least, I would hope that if you truly believe dispensationalism (in forms) was taught in the early church, you would also acknowledge the universal teaching of Christ's real presence in the Eucharist, baptismal regeneration, and the essential structure of the Church as bishops, priests, and deacons. If you reject these universal teachings, I have no reason to believe you are a serious student of the early church.
@@merecatholicity almost everything that is taught today was taught in the early church in some form. Just because it was taught in the early church doesn't mean that it was correct. Anyone who bases their beliefs on the early church fathers are greatly mistaken. The Bible is our final authority. And if the Bible says one thing and the early fathers say something different, then I'm going with the Bible.
@merecatholicity Lee Brainard has done a phenomenal job in researching the early church fathers and their teachings. He has found multiple sources, some of which had not been translated before now, that taught the pretrib rapture of the church. It's a great find that's been almost completely ignored by too many. Now, it's coming to the forefront that those who deny that the pretrib rapture was taught in the early church are completely wrong. As we suspected all along. However, I don't need the early church fathers to decide what correct theology is. I have the Bible.
The Bible that was complied and canonized by the Church led by the Spirit… ironic that you trust that the Spirit led the Church to put together the right books of Scripture, but ignore their authority on everything else.
The early Church? I will follow the Bible, not the early, middle or anytime Church. What Jesus said to those churches early in the Revelation does not promote learning our doctrine form the churches or from church tradition. Bible. Bible. Bible.
Part 2/2 The problem with Christians today and many factions in the past is that they are under the false impression the world revolves around them. Yes, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus, but we are also very sinful and our sins have caused immense problems including biblical ignorance around the world. The biggest error is that Christians read Scripture as if it all pertains to them, instead of the world. Christians claim Jesus was the final sacrifice, yes if you receive Him as Lord and Savior. If you are His because of faith in Jesus then there is no need for another sacrifice, but most of the world is not saved and so when things begin to unfold people will come to Jerusalem to worship the GOD of Israel still ignorant that it's Jesus. Revelation 11:1-2 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. ...11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And [e]they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven. Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people- 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” Very few Christians can ever give me an answer of why Scripture says that the everlasting Gospel is "“Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” No mention of Jesus, or forgiveness of sins, etc. Sacrifices will be instituted again because the world will worship the GOD of Israel. Ezekiel 37:21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God. Ezekiel 38:18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great [e]earthquake in the land of Israel, 20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’ 21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.” ’ Will the sacrifices save them? No. But it will cover their sins and as things move along in the timeline the knowledge of Jesus will enter the global human consciousness. First, there is a belief in GOD and then there will be a belief in Jesus. This same principle applies to all in the millennial kingdom who don't believe by faith. Zechariah 14: 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. When Jesus comes back people will have kids and those kids will grow into adults over the 1000 years to where there will be many who don't believe in who Jesus is. Rev 20: 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. So after Jesus has reigned for 1000 years with a population of people who are believers needing no sacrifice and non-believers needing a sacrifice to cover their sins. Satan will be released to gather the non-believers who want to go to war against the LORD. Then He will wipe them out and commence Judgment Day. Rev 20: 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. Another mistake Christians have made is that the LORD owns the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem. Genesis 15:18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants, I have given this land,..." (Ownership) Leviticus 25:1-2 And the Lord spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give you,..." (Ownership) Verse 23 ‘The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me." ("The land is Mine"- Ownership) The word "Sojourners" means guest, visitor, someone who has no claim of ownership. 2 Chronicles 6:5-6 5 ‘Since the day that I brought My people out of the land of Egypt, I have chosen no city from any tribe of Israel in which to build a house, that My name might be there, nor did I choose any man to be a ruler over My people Israel. 6 Yet I have chosen Jerusalem, that My name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel.’ (My Name may be there"- Ownership) Joel 3:1-2 “For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. ("My Land"- Ownership) Isaiah 45:3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me. 5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me," Psalm 121:4 Behold, He who keeps Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The question as Christians we need to ask ourselves isn't whether we agree with all of Israel's decisions or not. We need to ask "When did the LORD relinquish His claim of ownership over the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem?" Answer: NEVER. The second question is why after 1800+ years has the LORD (Owner of the land and Jerusalem) allowed the Jewish people back into the Land? Simple, He said He would. Ezekiel 37:21-23, Jeremiah 24:3-8, Mark 13:28-30. Everything is right on schedule according to Scripture. "All these things must come to pass". It's sad to me how biblically illiterate Christians have become that even before they understand the biblical narrative that is playing out in front of us in real-time, they call it heresy out of ignorance.
I see a post Trib rapture at the coming of our Lord Jesus. Hebrews 9:28 makes that clear. And we must leave this world for a while as it gets cleansed by fire.
If you actually read the Bible you will find it to be a fact. Hebrews is a good example and it's found in Genesis and exodus. The bible interprets it self quite well.
The Bible indeed is often it’s best interpreter…which is why, after I began to actually read scripture in context and then compared Scripture with scripture, I abandoned dispensationalism years ago.
Dispensationalism is nothing more the the literal gramatical understanding of the prophecies. The argument that it is new is not a strong one. Because the traditional Church lost the basic teaching of salvation by grace for most of its history.
My question to you is this, you said you know some people who are Christian and believe this dispensationalism. But then you said this doctrine is blasphemous. So how can a person believe this stuff that is blasphemous and still be considered a Christian??
I agree on Dispensationalism and Pre-Tribulation Rapture, or "Secret Coming"..however I find the the idea of God becoming Man so Man can become God very...strange, I would say if not blasphemous so close to it...I wonder what Scripture lies as foundation for such a statement. God's Peace
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” (1 Timothy 3:16)
@@JonathanEngblom You should learn to read. I said sons of God. 1 John 3:2- Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Here is a telling question. The way you answer it will help me understand if you really know the Word of God. How many resurrections are there in the New Testament?
Well to start, I am a Christian who is only recently in the past year or so gotten what I would consider "adequately" serious. So I'll answer you with genuine curiosity of your message and my own understanding to the best of my ability but i may say something stupid, as this stuff has gotten quite confusing lately. As I understand it (depending on your definition of resurrection) there were two, right? When Jesus was resurrected on the third day and when Jesus brought the girl back from the dead?
If you mean resurrection of Christ, then there is one. I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion. There is one incarnation, one resurrection, and one second coming.
I'm largely with you--especially as touching the modern heresy of the pre-trib rapture--but you seem to deny the literal earthly physical thousand-year reign of Christ, so clearly laid out in substance and sequence in Revelation 20 (and 21). My standard and protocol is simple: Scripture always takes precedence, even over Orthodoxy, where it departs from Scripture.
Gee I guess the apostle Paul didn't know what he was talking about. Ephesians 1;10 That in the DISPENSATION of the fullness of times.... !Co.9;17 a DISPENSATION of the gospel committed.... Col1;25 according to the DISPENSATION of GOD. Who do I believe you or Paul. The word of God
But wait. Are you telling me that dispensationalists didn't add those words? But did they write that thousand years in the Revelation? Dispensationalism came late because they took the time to read the Bible first.
Couldn’t get past your first argument. You are essentially saying that the idea isn’t old enough and it doesn’t have enough advocates long enough ago in order to be credible. I’m still trying to understand what dispensationalism is. But this was not helpful and actually has me questioning the opposite of your opinion because your first argument was so weak. Hope this helps.
Dispensationalism was late in coming. But that is because those who started dispensationalism first took the time to read the Bible. That makes the difference. Other theological systems don't have room for a rapture or a millennium because they formulated their systems from ignorant traditions or from Aristotelian philosophy, and not from reading the Bible. Covenant Theology is based on the Roman Catholic scholastics concept of one simple thing in history, based on Aristotle's theory. That is why dispensations won't fit. If only they had read the Bible first!!!
One reason that this is significant is that Dispensationalism describes a very specific path to salvation, a path not described by Christ nor promulgated by His Apostles. What can it mean if God has so ordered the world that for eighteen centuries millions lived and died believing they were good Christians but in fact they had been deceived by the Adversary and are burning in hell. Can we put our trust in a God who reveals Himself fully only centuries after His incarnation, and then only to a small population? I dare not presume to judge in this matter, but surely it could be argued that such an arrangement is unfair. Rather one would expect that Christ himself would provide simple terms of salvation available to anyone -- to be immersed in water and so reborn, to to break bread and drink with Him and thereby to digest and imbibe His being (you are what you eat!), and most of all to have faith, even the smallest degree of faith. By this practice one gives room to the Holy Spirit to operate, hopefully changing one's ways.o
The good news is that YOU ARE A SAINT IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. so if you are right about your theology or wrong...Jesus died for you that you might be saved. amen.
You say that you’re concerned with a ‘theology’ that violates ‘orthodox’. I’m learning a lot about you from this statement. You should be concerned with any ‘council of orthodoxy’ that violates ‘scripture’. Any and all creeds or quotes from any man, is in subjection to the written word of God. I noticed that you failed to appeal to scripture throughout this video
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Thank you. I feel I'm being shunned at my church for not marching in lock step with this stuff!!!!
I hear you. They treat you like you have gone apostate when you even question it let alone reject it!
Same
Just ask them to show it from the Scriptures. They cannot. Yet they preach it as truth.
It's all based on a gross perversion of Daniel 9, where they take the actual Messiah prophecy of the 70th week, and apply it to antichrist instead. Raw blasphemy.
At one time I went through the same thing. Have them watch the TH-cam video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" to show them the original source of the doctrine in black and white. It came from Edward Irving's English translation of a book written by a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza. Irving taught doctrine from the book at the Albury Prophetic conference about 1826. John Nelson Darby taught the doctrine at the Powerscourt Prophetic conference a few years later. Darby became the chief promoter of the doctrine after Irving died during 1834.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the three questions below?
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Dispensationalism has led to the erroneous, bifurcated belief for the people of God, that the church isn't the visible people of God, and mistakenly makes🇮🇱 the visible people of God (a new Replacement Theology).
The major problem about dispensationalism is a lot of evangelicals embrace it but don't know about its origins nor its errors nor the theology itself. Sad. It took me 20 years to unlearn this heresy.
Thank you for calling it heresy. I know a lot of Christian people who won't go that far and call it that, and I think they should because it is heretical.
Better late than never. Some refuse to see the light. You investigated and found truth .Amen. Now we need to expose it to the world to glorify God and slap the devil.
Why? The bible speaks for itself.
@@langleybeliever7789 True, but most don't STUDY it for themselves. They take the word of their favorite rock star preacher, who also didn't study for himself, but was taught dispensational heresy at SEMINARY which sourced it from the corrupt Scofield Bible, which was sourced ultimately from.the jesuit order, which fabricated futurism and preterism to protect their beloved man of sin, the POPE.
@@langleybeliever7789It would speak for itself if you were the original audience which you aren't. It was written to other people but also for our benefit. Not the same thing. That's why we have methods of hermeneutics; we should try to learn the surroundings historical influenced, cultural influences, linguistic influences, etc. You, as a presumably, Western Christian 2000yrs later does not understand Scripture the same way the first few centuries of the church would.
I am a recovering "rapture" believer that even wrote a book about it that got published in 2007, but like E.W. Bullinger before me, I recant!
It would be good to follow AA and have "rapture recovery" groups worldwide!
Dispensationalism can get along fine without the pre-trib rapture.
@@JosephBoxmeyer Amen, my brother!
@dfkuz paul called the rapture a mystery, it goes with several other mysteries. To know the truth you must receive revelation. Majority with miss what God gives eyes to see and ears to hear
@@TedMyrrh He called it a mystery but he didn't call it a rapture. During Acts, the kingdom was being offered to the nation of Judah if she would accept the proposal of marriage from the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. If she had accepted it, he would have celebrated "the marriage supper of the Lamb" with her, and make good on his promise to give her "many mansions." Alas,the bride said no and that's the end of the sad story for her because, like Joseph was counseled to do when Mary was found with child, God quietly put his runaway bride away and gave her a divorce in Acts 28:28-31 KJV.
Everything in Acts was focused on that subject, would the chosen nation of Judah accept her Messiah and receive her kingdom. Nothing else was as important as that, and seeing as we are not citizens of that nation (and we can't be; it's completely gone), we are not the ones being offered marriage with the Son of God. It is pure spiritual larceny or perhaps just ignorance to insert our pagan Gentile, non-first-century-Jew selves into a scenario that never had anything to do with us in the first place. Let that sad story sin into the sunset - God does not want to be reminded of it any more than a human suitor wants to be reminded of the girl that said no.
Pagan Gentiles not keeping any laws or ordinances and eating as much bloody pork and slimy shellfish as they desired were never allowed salvation since the Hebrews were led through the wilderness in the Exodus and God gave his children the law of Moses. The only possible way a pagan could join himself to the twelve tribes of Israel was to go through an arduous and painful (circumcision) conversion process. No one that wasn't a circumcised kosher Jew could get anywhere near the Hebrews or the temple when it was built, and that continued right through the Acts period! You and I would have been told to leave the doorstep if we had asked entrance into any of the Acts churches which were usually held in synagogues.
It was not until Acts ended in failure for the Jews to receive a kingdom and a Messiah that God revealed the mystery that for the first time allowed anyone anywhere to receive eternal life without any requirements to keep the law of Moses.
Yes, Paul called the glorious second coming of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, a mystery, and he spoke of that great hope of meeting their Lord in the air and accompanying him back to the earth for the wedding and the conquest of their enemies - and that is the subject of both 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4! The second coming of the Messiah just as he had promised in Matthew 16:28, and 10:23. Trumpets were a huge part of Israel's feasts and celebrations so it's no surprise there are trumpets mentioned. Trumpets have nothing to do with the revelation of the mystery and Jesus will appear probably very quietly when he returns, Colossians 3:4; yes, Christ returns TO THE EARTH TO STAY during the mystery by which we pagans were saved (and every unsaved human is a pagan today and ever since Acts ended); and there is no return to Israel's or Judah's prophecy. That was their final chance back in Acts.
There is no "rapture" of any humans to heaven; we are not created to dwell in that realm. John Darby really messed up the evangelical churches across the U.S. and Europe when he let a possibly demon-possessed Scottish girl draw him into her delusion and now many Christians are deluded also. That myth has caused even studious Bible scholars to twist and misinterpret scripture just to protect the fairy tale that draws people in and keeps them in the pews filling the collection plates! Their pocketbooks and church coffers won't let them even attempt to think this through in a truly dispensational manner!
Recognizing everything that can be said about Gary Demar, his description of "clearing the theological chessboard" with regard to dispensationalism is 100% accurate. The system requires certain pieces glued to certain spots that they could not reach on their own, and everything else has to move around them. You cannot start from scratch and derive dispensationalism from the Bible without presupposing it
So true.
I would like an example or two. If God is on His King square, I will not be the one to move Him. Do you resent that He is glued there? What does God say in the Bible that you don't like? Where does Dispensationalism voice dislike with what God has declared? What pieces do we glue to spots that they would not get to on their own? I do not understand what your chess analogy wants to say. I fought against dispensationalism when it was new to me. I had to start from scratch fighting it point by point. I became one. Covenant Theology, needs to be taught because it is fictional. For example the covenant of works with Adam is supposed to be in Genesis 2:16-17. But WHERE is the law? Where is the promise of righteousness and eternal life for Adam and his descendants if he obeyed? And please explain how "that law continued to be perfect rule of righteousness" for his descendants? Difficult when the Garden was locked and guarded and access to that tree was impossible. All made up. Fiction.
@@JosephBoxmeyer It's not my analogy, and the analogy is about how we do hermeneutics and derive theology. The analogy isn't as deep as pinning specific theologies to a specific piece. The point is that things like "the rapture", "the Antichrist", the Church not yet being part of the New Covenant, etc are assumed and can't be questioned. It's **like** the C1 Bishop (white, left side) being glued to C4 and we then have to play (interpret the Bible) without moving it
This novel Judeo-centric dispensational movement is perhaps the greatest and most subtle deception of our time. ✔️
What deception? Please explain.
Agreed
Yes, explain what the deception is.
@@JosephBoxmeyer He cannot explain it because it is a figment of his imagination. The truly deception is that of those who fail to hear the whole counsel of God's Word.
@@davidcooper1201I fear that the Lord has imposed a blindness and a hardness upon much of His Church because the outright reject His word. I can see no other explanation for the degree of obstinacy in twisting the Bible. I have lately become depressed over the insistence that God cannot save Jews, that Israel must mean Gentiles.
More than this, I think the popularization of dispensationalism has played a huge role in the shifting of Christian thinking that has allowed the decline of Western civilization. It's not the sole culprit, by any means, but it's one side of the larger problem that I think far too few people recognize as part of the problem. Many of the implications of dispensationalism incentivize a very insular and defeatist mindset about the world and the Christian's role in it which has caused much of Christianity to neglect its essential role as salt and light, which has created a cultural vacuum that has been filled by a lot of nefarious, destructive, and subversive secular ideologies, especially since the 1960s and 70s. I grew up in this sort of environment, and I love many of the people that often unconsciously subscribe to it (and many who are diehard proponents), but I have really grown to despise a lot about this worldview and what it has done to society, and I'm still trying to learn about other Christian perspectives to find areas in which I still need to reform my own thinking. The fact that I discovered that there was so much more beyond the confines of what I knew played a big role in saving my faith.
Yeah it lends itself to “I can sin cause o grace”
Sounds like you could be J.W., R.C., LDS, SDA they are all grace rejecting. You are BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS , PART OF HIS BODY.
The bible says your faith is counted for righteousness.
Exactly. It has people blessing antichrist synagogue of satan over in the occupied state of Palestine. If it weren't for dispensationalists rooting for the people falsely called Isreal, they wouldn't be stealing all our money, weapons and they wouldn't be allowed to commit genocide!
A defeatist mindset. Probably communism too. You really seem to be clueless about dispensationalism. But that is understandable if you learn what you know from teachers such as this.
@@JosephBoxmeyerSure. You believe in the anti-christ as a man from a european BUT of roman background who will sit on a newly built temple in Israel. Where there will be a rapture, angels fighting against demons, 4 horse men, and 7 years of tribulation…
It will take generations for this to fade if it ever does.. I started questioning this theology at 9 years old and because of the blow back I got from the adults in my life, I learned early not to trust in men. It did not shake my faith in God, but no one was teaching anything different to me. I gave up on trying to understand the Bible many times when I was younger. Praise God I was being raised in a Christian home at least!
My mother had the really great habit of praying for her children ceaselessly, I found my way out of confusion and to an understanding of how to rightfully digest the word of God. We still debate eschatology sometimes when I don't watch what I say. She's 90, and it's never good to argue with your mother especially when she's this old.. I understand her reluctance to part with the theology, as it is a large part of her identity. It's the same for many others too.
The men who started this, the men who fully understand the theological implications behind what they are teaching are going to be held accountable I believe. I would not want to be in the shoe's of anyone who rejects understanding and truth for self willed sensationalism.
So you believe in covenant theology? I Feel Gods drawing me to learn about this
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 I try to stay away from labeling myself.. Often these dividing distinctions in doctrines revolve around eschatology. Jesus gave us several parables about being ready, he was also clear that even he doesn't know when that last day will be.. It's pretty clear where we are to focus our attention in life according to Jesus. Doctrines of dubious distinction, and it's division are discouraged definitively throughout the entire bible. I'm just trying to stick with Jesus. I encourage everyone to do the same, and to examine the ideas of all men with a spiritual 'ten foot pole'.
Please tell me in short of "the theological implications" of dispensationalism.
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 it might not be God drawing you toward Covenental Theology. First examine Genesis to see where God promised Adam eternal life for success in a trial period of obedience. The Covenant of Works is based on this. But there is no such promise. And basic also is to equate Adam's "law" with the Mosaic law. Supposedly the same! And then Jesus was obligated to obey the law to earn righteousness for us and to earn eternal life for us by law obedience. This is why they need to make up the covenant of works with Adam, with him having both the law and the eternal life promise. And please read Romans three. Righteousness without the law! Righteousness without the works of the law. But the Jesuit Roman Catholic Covenant Theology system denies Romans three and demands that Jesus earn righteousness and eternal life for us BY LAW WORKS! They reject "righteousness without the law". Jesuits. Anti-Christ theology.
I was raised with this heretical belief and I just assumed it was the standard in most sects and denoms which really pushed me away from considering going to any Church by the time I was 19 for years. Only the last few months years later have I started taking things seriously and have gotten this far in learning it's completely new and man-made uninspired origins. God's mercy is truly infinite, I never thought I'd get specific info on this and would forever be shunned as a conspiracy theorist by family.
@Yellow_Fish7 it's not heresy it's mystery revealed to paul in this present age for gentiles. Study pauls mysteries instead of propagandizing, straw man arguments, prooftexting,pride, judgements and ad hominim attacks. Pride deceives everyone who thinks they are right and smart, but they can't learn or see. This is why the Bible says " let him with ears hear what the spirit says"
I watch a video from people who believe in dispensationalism and I get scripture after scripture proving their point. I watch videos refuting dispensationalism and it’s all, “trust me bro, church fathers bro, indulgences and crusades bro, church history bro.” No scripture. What am I to make of that?
Great video brother. I agree, Dispensationalism is a dangerous position to hold and actually devalues the Gospel.
Dangerous. Really?
@@johno8886 Heresy is dangerous. You're basically saying that everyone can believe different things and some of them might be right, idk, but it's probably fine anyway, right? cuz all ya gotta do is "believe" in Jesus.
The early Church was of one mind. If you tried to say that some other doctrine was true, you were excommunicated and no longer a part of the Church. You can come back into the Church if you repent of your heresy and submit yourself to the teachings of the Church, which are the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. The seven ecumenical councils are infallible and must be believed by Christians. There is only ONE second coming of Christ, not a secret second coming, and then a "real" second coming, and the Old Covenant has passed away and is no longer valid.
How does disp.devalue the gospel? You must be a covenantalist, because you like fiction.
Didn’t Jesus say “My Kingdom is not of this world”?
Read Acts 1.....Jesus preached to the disciples on the Kingdm of God for 40 days....it is obvious because of their question that the diciples expect the Kingdom of Israel to be restored. You should be careful to hear the whole counsel of God's Word. It is part of God's overall plan which your unbelief cannot eradicate.
@@davidcooper1201 with all due respect, the kingdom the disciples were looking for and inquiring about did not come to fruition because their Messiah was rejected and cut off. I think it would be really nice if supposed brothers and sisters in Christ could allow iron to sharpen iron with the spirit of love, wouldn’t you agree? Let us strive for that in Jesus name. Blessings
Do you believe that Jesus is currently King and that He has all authority in heaven and on the earth? The Bible sure indicates it so. Revelation 1:5-6 says that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on earth" and that He has "made us a kingdom". Are these verses said in the past, present, or future tense?
What about all of these verses about Jesus reigning as King? are they in the past, present, or future tense?
Colossians 3:1--"If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God."
Hebrews 1:3--"After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high"
Hebrews 8:1--"we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven"
Hebrews 10:12--"But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,"
Hebrews 12:2--"looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God."
Revelation 3:31--Jesus is telling the believers/church to "conquer" in order to receive the same reward as He has received--"as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne."
Well done. When I was in evangelicalism, I was given the impression that this was the only eschatological position the Scriptures taught. Now, as a confessional Lutheran, I know better.
Really? Prove it to me in God's Word.
Sure thing, as soon as you can prove to me that dispensational pre-millennialism was taught by somebody before Darby or Schofield. As soon as you show me who did, show me their charts, and show me that it was a prevalent belief in the early church, then we’ll talk.
Congratulations for joining the true Church
@@Outrider74 silly. Just silly. Your logic is aligned with this video. Explain to me why it is important for a theology to be old. Satan has a theology older than any human's. Is that what you want? Dispensationalism is more recent because they took the time to read the Bible first. That is why the prophecies fit. Because what God put in the Bible was the priority, not trying to agree with Roman Catholic Theology.
@@JosephBoxmeyer Truthfully, this is a very obtuse and intellectually stinted comment. A theology's age has a LOT to do with bearing witness to its truth. If a doctrinal position cannot be found in the early church, or in Scripture itself, we have very, VERY good reason to, at the very least, be suspicious of it.
Nowhere in Rev 20 does it say that Christ is going to reign on earth! According to Matt 28:18, Eph 1:20-23 and more he is already reigning. Hallelujah!
Thank you so much for this video, and the others I have not yet watched. I'm sharing with many friends, in hopes they will continue to share with others, so the truth will spread more rapidly than the lie of dispensationalism did. I am in full agreement with what you've said, and have given the same reasons for my viewpoint when trying to explain why I'm not a pretrib/premil believer. Too often, I'm brushed off as being one who has not read my bible! There are some, though, that at least listen, and I've tried to find videos that aren't too lengthy to share with them, as I'm not the best teacher...so thank you for filling that need! I look forward to watching all of your videos, and I pray your viewership grows. God bless you, your family, and your mission to teach truth!
Thank you, Mary. My eschatology playlist will be the easiest way to find my other videos dealing with this area of theology.
May we all continue to grow into a greater unity for the sake of Christ our Lord! Blessings to you!
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy.
It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn.
It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled.
I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders.
It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now.
Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video.
For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse.
That's been my experience thus far.
So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind
Lord help us
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@@wulfclaw4921 I have had these same experiences brother. It's so disheartening at times. I'm in the rural southern US and the only type of churches around me are ones that are dispensational. I can't go to a church that holds to those beliefs because they are obsessed with it, obsessed with modern day Israel being "God's chosen people". They say I don't read my Bible, or don't understand it. Or that I'm anti-Semitic, or a racist. They call me divisive and that I need to get right with God because I am not a dispensationalist. It's all so bizarre. May the Lord open their blind eyes.
I unlearned all that in the early 90s, by reading the bible. What a joy to be able to read and learn Gods word with the Holy Spirit guiding me ! Darby fooled a lot of people. The way out of false teaching is to read the bible.
Darby didn't fool and had no intentions of fooling anyone....the "fooled" are those who refuse to be under the whole counsel of God's Word.
Yes , he did. There was Malicious intent for sure
Make sure you test that spirit. if it’s leading you towards an allegorical hermeneutic id be concerned of being on a path towards making God into your own image and calling God a liar.
Spoiler: the church is different than Israel, read Romans 11 again.
Millenium means 1000 years
The time of Jacob’s trouble is specific for a reason
@@Jilly85Amen. I might quit dispensationalism. I just found out that Darby and Scofield were sinners! Next they will be accused of being Roman Catholic priests.
@@JosephBoxmeyer Spoiler alert: We were all sinners.
I first heard about the rapture in the Charismatic Renewal of the late seventies. This was the heyday of Tim LaHey and Hal Lindsey. I kept quiet about not buying it for twenty years until I came across a book “The Blessed Hope.” I stayed on the down-low, but down deep I always thought that rapture theology is “too cute by half.” There were too many flow charts and white boards for me. This error has spawned an increase in Christian Zionism and Christian Zionism that further muddies the water of sound doctrine. I’m much relived to attend an Orthodox Church without all the drama.
Yes agreed, dispensationalism is pure heresy. It has done much to damage the Church in modern times.
You can't differentiate between the gospel of kingdom and the gospel of grace. Jesus and his disciples were sent to the Jews and Paul to gentiles.
@@krishnaswami3362 Yes and were made into ONE new man in Christ.
Wrong! Matthew 28:18-20
Christ sends his 11 remaining disciples to ALL the nations
@@kylec8950And Paul was the agent chosen by God to make one body out of two.
@@williamcarr3976Lack of knowledge. The disciples never went out in the whole world. Rather it was Paul who took the Gospel (of grace) in the world.
Great video Jonah, I love what you are doing with your channel and I am so thankful that I do not consider myself a dispensationalist anymore as I used to, I am now more partial preterist, post millennialist, and whatever else one might label my view of eschatology.
YES AND AMEN!! THE CHURCH NEEDS A REFORMATION!!
I don’t need to see what early church “fathers” believed to figure out where I stand in matters of faith. I have a complete Bible in my language, the Word of God and I am told to rightly divide the word. This video is useless.
"I don't need anyone to tell me anything, I know better than 2,000 years of collective wisdom of Christians all around the world, I've got the Holy Spirit guiding me and you don't, I'm the sole authority of what the Bible actually says, I, I, I, me, me, me!!!"
So much arrogance in your comment. Sad.
@@sakamotosan1887 don’t put your faith in men, put your faith in the word of God itself.
We have direct access to God, the veil has been torn, stop believing men. Lean not on your own understanding.
@@shinyadino1926 arrogance is to place man's traditions above God's Word. What is really sad is that you cannot discern this distinction.
Correct conclusion. Incorrect reasons for coming to the conclusion. Dispensationalism is false because God’s Word doesn’t teach it. Not because of “orthodoxy”, church fathers or creeds. The church fathers are the Apostles, and their teachings are the New Testament.
I think galatians 2 might disagree that they all fathered the church and that the entire New Testament is directed towards the church. All apostles weren't to the church. Also see Romans 11 especially verse 25.
All apostles weren't dedicated to the church and neither were their messages all for the church.
I agree that we don't follow the early church traditions but don't necessarily agree that this man has come to any correct conclusions.
He also never actually used the Bible to back up any of his claims and refuted it by his claims more than once.
Amen
Your arguments don't invalidate the arguments you took issue with in the video. The only one I take issue with is the "it's a modern innovation" argument. While that might add to the case for its invalidity, it's not an argument in and of itself. Just because an idea is older or newer does not make it inherently better or worse. Time is relative, and the second Temple Jews basically made the same argument against the early Christians because relative to when they lived, Christianity was a "modern" innovation. It's just not a good argument, but everything else he said was completely valid.
Ah, God's Word doesn't teach anything about a systematic theology. There is nothing false about dispensationalism except in the minds of those who prefer their own systematic study of Scripture. So show me what I believe that is not taught in God's Word and I will be glad to use the Word of God to square away your "doctrine, and reprove you and help you understand more clearly correction in righteousness" (II Timothy 3:16).
@@davidcooper1201well said. One cannot objectively read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and come to the conclusion that dispensationalism is false. I mean the word is literally written in the texts.
To believe in dispensations is to believe the gospel itself. "What is, what was, what will be again" the "alpha and the omega". .
But the doctrine of dispensationalism the way its taught is the latter days doctrine of demons spoken about in the book of Timothy. Because what it does is make two paths. One for the Jew, one for the church. It turns the church into the "side chick" for God, and focuses everything on the Jewish law, calendars, feasts, ect. Because the doctrine itself agrees with the pharisee that Jesus spoke with 2000 years ago. . "We have Abraham as our Father". So i argue that to follow the doctrine of dispensationalism as it is mainstream taught, one cannot be a Christian as they deny the first coming of Jesus by agreeing with the pharisee that the blood of Abraham is sufficient. "Believe in Jesus and be saved" but also "claim to be a Jew living in Israel by flesh and God is going to save you anyway". It's a denial of the free will, the loosened chains that Christ purchased on the cross. The denial that it is his blood shed which made children of Abraham, not nepotism of flesh. They cannot be a Christian, because they deny Jesus and his first coming. They are actually by their deeds and understanding. . Jews themselves. As they deny Christ was the messiah.
"Their lips speak of his name but their hearts are far from him"
Exactly. They have Christian idolizing "Israel," an antichrist state. And they don't even realize THEY, as believers, are God's Israel.
I grew up hearing this theology in church even though I could easily tell that it is not scriptural. I could never follow their stupid charts in the books and the books by Hal Lindsey that I bought out of curiosity were all thrown out with the recyclable newspapers because that is where they belonged.
Prove to me that it is not Scriptural. You can't.
I have not read lindsay. Don't care. But non dispensationalists don't like charts because they require accountability. You can't hide. Imagine a chart produced by people who believe that the thousand years all happened in 70 AD ! Funny. So then where was the tribulation? So the chart would show how Satan was prevented from deception during the destruction of Jerusalem. And Jesus was reigning in peace and justice as Christians were being massacred. I understand why your theology is allergic to charts.
@@davidcooper1201 l do not know how ANY born again believers can say that dispensations ARE NOT biblical.. it's a wonderful truth of God's timetables and plans
So what about the thousand year reign of Jesus in Revelation 20;
Present church age. Time between advents.
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
@noway5378 couldn't be more anti biblical
We are most definitely not living in the Kingdom of God.
Physical Kingdoms have a physical King
His name is Jesus. He is coming soon.
The prayer, thy kingdom COME thy will be done on EARTH.
This is a FUTURE event. Do you really think God's will is being done?
The 1000 year reign is REAL and accurate to the second. It is NOT a figure of speech.
It starts SOON.
@@boldbeliever52 Dude, nobody here believes that mess any longer. We've been delivered from that deception & heresy. I know you mean well, but you are believing false man-made doctrine. Research the origins of it.
@@boldbeliever52 So you are saying that Jesus has to be physically on this earth in order to be King even though He already declared that He has ALL authority in heaven and on the earth? Was God physically present when He declared that He was Israel's king in Exodus 19:5-6--"IF you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant (then) you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples...and you shall be to me a KINGDOM of priests and a holy nation." (Note--a conditional covenant--"if, then")
In the Exodus passage above, the Israelites were only 3 months out from leaving Egypt and they were still wandering around in the desert. So, God made them a KINGDOM even though they had no "official" land boundaries.
In the NT, Peter declared those who are obedient to King Jesus' commands "are a chosen race, a ROYAL (as pertaining to a King) priesthood, a holy nation..." Notice that this is in the present tense, not a future tense. It's also similar to what God declared back in Exodus above but applying it to the Church. John, after declaring that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on the earth" (Rev 1:5), goes on to say to the King's followers that He "made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father..." (Rev 1:6). What tense is this--past, present, or future?
I cannot more agree. Dispensationalism should be resisted with all that we got. It is another gospel.
Explain to me how you read this part of Romans 11:
Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[e] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!
34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”
@@Jilly85 Thanks I will reply as soon as I have a bit of time. However I probably see it the same as you do. God is going to have mercy on Israel. Many is going to turn to Christ.
@@AlbertGlover-mh5su until the fullness of the gentiles comes in… what does that phrase mean?
@@Jilly85 After the rapture God will go back to HIS promises and everlasting covenant with HIS chosen remnant of Israel
Dispensationalism leads to the denial of the New Covenant.
Bingo. God’s chosen are not actually chosen, but he who chooses to believe and obey the word of God, and ye shall be called the children of God. It is not about ethnicity as that was proven when God asked Esau first if he would obey the Torah and be His ppl, he rejected. Abraham decided to accept. The new covenant supersedes the old covenant which the Jewish ppl rejected as explained in the book of Malachi.
Absolutely! ✔️
The following proves you are correct.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the word “remnant” in Romans 9:27, with the word “nation”?
6. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
7. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
8. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
9. Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
10. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
11. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
stupid. I am a dispensationalist and I do not deny the New Covenant. You misrepresent what Dispensationalism is all about.
How true!
The Bible teaches that this world is darkness and corrupt and rejected by God. My kingdom is not of this world is a direct quote. They that are in the flesh cannot please God is another quote. The children of the flesh are not the children of God a quote. God is a Spirit are all reality.
The problem is that everyone needs a "system" or label. Why not just call yourself a Christian and be done with labels such as "reformed" or "Calvinist"?
Consider it shorthand for Beliefs.
Calvinism is merely a codification of the nature of God as revealed through scripture.
And Theology is important to ensure various doctrines are coherent
So there is no 'time of the Gentiles' or the 'time of Jacob's trouble'?
70ad Israel was trampled and nearly all the Jews were killed or starved except the Christian Jews that fled to the mountains
That occurred during the sack of Rome in 70 AD
@@toolegittoquit_001 Well then, it's going to happen all over again.
Amen brother a thousand times and thank you and again thank you
Mr. Cathlocity, I agree the teaching of dispensationalism is bad theology. Speaking as a protestant and Reformed. There are several Reformed teachers who also are dispensationists: John MacArthur and Irwin Lutzer, to name two. But then you have whole other groups in the Arminian side who are wholeheartedly dispensationists and, in my opinion, wrong on both counts.
You can’t be reformed and dispensationalist
@devothebot3008 P.s. I would also say you can't be Roman Catholic and be a Christian if your beliefs are in line with the pope in Rome and Alphonso Ligouri.
@@blchamblisscscp8476I'm very much not a Roman Catholic and would have a hard time bending the knee to papal rule for a lot of reasons, but to say that Roman Catholics aren't Christian in the core sense of the word is completely absurd.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
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Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy.
It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn.
It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled.
I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders.
It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now.
Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video.
For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse.
That's been my experience thus far.
So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind
Lord help us
W
I wouldn't say that you're an unbeliever or anything like that. Just that you're a bit dramatic.
I mean it's denominational theology. It wasn't exactly pretty between the apostles themselves in galatians chapter 2. Why would you expect it to be different now?
There are lots of lies told about dispensationalism. For example, they say that Darby got his pre-trib lation rapture from a crazy girl's dream.. Actually that cannot be true because the dream that she saw was an ANTI- pre trib rapture. And they talk about dispensationalism being invented by a Jesuit. Another lie. I have read most of that book myself, I have challenged these guys. They cannot show me ANYTHING in the book that is dispensational. NOTHING!! I suspect that all of those stories are equally slander. Lies.
you speak without referring to scripture
Thank God for HIS absolute sovereignty and perfect plans ALL through time .
9:13 "Christ has one coming and that's the second coming" Bahahahahahaha!!!!
Should we take 1 st thes 4:13-18, the catching up out of scripture?
I got caught up with what I was doing
Rapture was probably 70ad or possibly around 1070ad
@@paulwise6856 sure, just stuff it into 70 AD.. nobody will hold you accountable for something silly like that. Covenant Theology has always been reckless, irresponsible. Immature theologies are allowed to do such things with the Bible.After all, it's not as though God wrote it !
I agree with you, brother. I would recommend using scripture rather than creeds to prove your thesis. This is considered one of the weaknesses of our position among dispensationalists. Otherwise, fantastic presentation!
What John Nelson Darby, the inventor of Dispensationalism, was trying to do is create some distance between Catholic and Protestant theologies. I think there is sufficient distance but apparently he did not think so. Nevertheless, after cooking up this philosophy of history he tried to get the Catholic Church to adopt it and cause Catholicism and Protestantism to become more unlike each other. Apparently the actual wars between Catholics and Protestants in the past did not catch his attention. The various Catholic churches he presented this idea rejected it. He travelled to the United States and the Protestant churches he visited swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Dispensationalism has several problems, many covered by numerous and insightful theologians, but my favorites are: (1) the unfolding of this system requires not only the first Second Coming of Jesus but at least a second Second Coming and if the system is understood in a particular manner the result requires a third Second Coming of Jesus; (2) the system's claim that men are saved in different ways at different times is an outright contradiction of Hebrews 11:6; (3) dispensationalism's claim that certain prophetic events are yet to be fulfilled in the future implies that Jesus cannot return at this very moment because these so-called events have not yet taken place, a concept the Apostle Paul would vigorously disagree with. Also, the fact that this system did not exist before 1850 should have been a warning, but most of the spiritually weak and blind are not concerned with facts.
Hi Jonah. New subscriber here and just saw this post from last year. I completely 💯 percent agree with your take on this topic. I also wants to note that if this is not a christian theology then in my opinion the traching of Thai system of dispensationalism is blasphemy. It is a system that try to add to what the scripture already telling us. Looking forward to hear more of your discussion on Christianity. God bless.
Memorial for who? God is alive :D
Hello, Jonah. What is your doctrinal statement?
Dispensational thinking's so unscriptural because, summarily it removes the Christology from the very namesake of Christianity itself. It constrains God to be cursory or material. Why'd he default back to the other covenants (Keep in mind, they're all overarchingly horizontal extensions of the Messianic Covenant in that of grace between what both the Covenants of Redemption and Works underline. And much of Dispensationalism suggests that soteriology wasn't always through Jesus, but in as their literal name implies multifaceted "promises" of God. The Church as God's real Israel was the assembly of the Old Testament Saints that was fully actualized residually with the apostolic succession and wasn't this randomly Plan B kind of mysterious parenthesis in God's masterplan. Also, God divorced ethnic Israel as Jeremiah recorded) when the completed work of the cross was for both one and all times? The only way humans can remotely know God's in that of Jesus as with hermeneutics. The Old Testament's interpreted in the contextual light of the New through Jesus' lens. That's the greatest comfort we have with Covenant Theology in the Reformed way's that as long as one has the love of Jesus in them, they're ALL EQUALLY 'part of God's truly spiritual Israel in that of the Church and Jesus'll ALWAYS BE THE VERY HEAD as Paul wrote under the guidance of the Spirit in the epistle to the Colossians. We're all with both the same visceral DNA and citizenship because of our faith in Jesus Christ no matter what fleshly categories we have anyway proving how perfectly just our Heavenly Father's always going to be. There's no kind of legalism or forms of classism by status. If it was the other way around, it'd read, "By faith through grace" as opposed to "BY grace THROUGH faith." Pretribuational measures to Eschatology in my estimation're to assigns inconsistent forms of fluidity to God when, we know his nature's PERFECTLY CONSISTENT forever. "Jesus Christ's the same yesterday, today and forever." -Hebrews 13:8, ESV.
It took me awhile, but I agree! Thank you!
Thank you! Praise the Lord, God will expose these corruption
Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Collosians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
We're all going to find out pretty soon I think.
J.N. Darby..., oh my. Schofield and a few others. Flawed men to be sure, but that's all of us to one degree or another.
However, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
A few factors, nevertheless, need some consideration. The only information that has come to us in modern times from the early Church has been filtered through a thousand years of the Catholic Church, and just as with the scriptures, we really don't have any of their original manuscripts, nor do we have all of their complete works so far as we know.
In addition, after the RCC, Aquinas, Augustine, and a few others were done finalizing their Amillennialism, and altering or burning any documentation or people that didn't agree with their theology right up until they couldn't get away with it anymore; it's not surprising that that the RCC and most of the groups that splintered off from them hold similar positions, and have lost interest in the prophetic aspects of the Bible. The scriptures do strongly indicate that there are things that will not be understood until the latter days. And many aspects of prophecy were ignored in the past because they didn't really have a way to make it fit into their theology.
Do I think that Dispensational Hermeneutics and pre-tribulation eschatology are the only correct interpretation of the Bible? No, however, I also think it should not be dismissed out of hand merely because many others say it should be.
Darby didn't originate Dispensational Hermeneutics. There were others that held similar views; and Darby and Schofield were more like popularizers that spread it around so that others could examine the scriptures and build upon it. Perhaps this is a bad thing, but so long as the basic Gospel message is kept, I think the Lord Jesus Christ allows for a bit of goofy theology. And I feel certain that every branch of Christianity has some of that.
The Lord Jesus in His infinite wisdom DIDN'T (except for the Gospel) write down and chisel in stone a complete and detailed system of theology that was to be rigorously followed without deviation or development. We were given the Gospel, the Lord's supper, baptism, and a bit of guidance from the Apostles, and the Bible; which is all we really need.
So, given that, and the tendency of people to mess with things that are working just fine, and the possibility that Jesus wants us to search the scriptures for better understanding. (But not development) It's not surprising that some people have seen some things in the scriptures that were discarded or passed over in the past. Does that mean they are thereby wrong? Probably only time will tell. But you might want to keep an open mind, read your Bible, study it, and keep an eye on the news, because things are happening that are very interesting in the light of prophecy and eschatology.
Going up?! 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
Tell me what is flawed in their teaching and I will correct your flawed judgment of the intepretation of God's Word.
This is the kind of love and humility a born again believer exhibits. Shalom friend. May the Lord Jesus bless you in all things.
Great video.
Yes, we are currently in the Millennium
Never heard or Seen ANYONE say that there will be any Sacrifices in the millennial kingdom.
The IFB church i attend has never said this to my knowledge. But....they do teach dispensationalism and rapture, the confusing distinction between Israel and the church, etc. I'm sure there might be others who do teach it though. Point is, dispensationalism is nothing but confusion! And God is not the Author of confusion. So the conclusion would be that man has once again butchered the Word of God to suit his delusional mind and it has spread like fire. May the Lord keep us sharp and able to discern truth from lies. 🙏
Religious groups in Israel have been planning on rebuilding the Temple and offering sacrifice.
This may not be Christian teaching, yet it's what Jews believe.
Thanks for your analysis.
To be clear I don't categorize myself as a dispensationalist or covenant theorist. I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and I believe that God is outside of time who does things in the fullness of time, is a covenant making and Covenant keeping God.
I do want to note some verses for you to investigate. Ephesians 1:10 that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ both which are in heaven and which are on the earth even in him. 3:2 if you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward. ... it's just a funny but dispensation is actually found there :)
A literal catching away of the saints is biblical or John 14;1-3 would have to be false...Jesus is promising in that scripture that if he goes away that he will come again and (receive) us unto himself... that where he is that we may also be. That's 1. Coming again 2. To receive us 3. Unto Himself 4. That (where He is) 5. We may also be. Those are the words of Jesus and some of us take those words to Heart :)
Isaiah 26:19-21 your dead men shall live together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing you that dwell in the dust for your dew is as the dew of the herbs and the Earth shall cast out the Dead. Come my people enter into your Chambers and shut your doors, hide yourself as it were for a little moment until the indignation be overpast. For behold the Lord comes out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity the Earth also shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain. This passage of scripture clearly parallels with 1st Thessalonians chapter 4:15-18 and 1st Corinthians chapter 15:50-57 Revelation 3:10
So it's no secret :)
Revelation 20:4 and I saw Thrones and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God and which had not worship the Beast neither his image neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they LIVED and REIGNED WITH CHRIST FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED.
I don't think I need to add anything to that that's pretty clear but there is a rule and reign of Christ for 1000 years immediately following the tribulation.
Just listening to your teaching it's apparent to me that you need to re-read Romans chapter 1 to understand that there are consequences that are going to be the match and judgement will be executed through the Lord Jesus Christ Rev 5:9-10 Also please read 2nd Peter 3 again and re-evaluate what "reserved for fire" just might be implying.
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Martin Luther compounded the dispensationalist error. First of all, he taught that anything we might do to add to faith was " works. Not realizing that it is our faith in action through obedience that saves us.
When Martun Luther realized that Jewry as a whole rejected his doctrine he turned against them.
This bred antisemetism. Time and time again Jesus had people do acts of obedience in order prove their faith.
As a result, He told them " Your faith has healed you.".
Being saved is being born again and just as natural childbirth is the end result of a process, so is spiritual rebirth. Acts 2:38 is that process.
Dispensationalism before Darby: Seventeenth-Century and Eighteenth-Century English Apocalypticism
by William C. Watson
All of these videos use the same misrepresentation of dispensationalism to make their point using little or no scripture. And by scripture I mean the Old and New Testament, not creeds or tradition.
Exactly
So what would be the correct representation of dispensationalism then? Please inform. Thanks!😊
No where does the NT teach that the church is spiritual Israel. I used to believe that and am familiar with the proofs texts but none of those texts actually teach it.
The millennial temple as described in Ezekiel 40-48 teaches sacrifices which are for forgiveness of sins which is a theocratic forgiveness. It’s not to secure one’s standing before God and justification. It’s not blasphemy at all any more than the sacrifices in the OC accomplished such forgiveness.
The real problem is for people who reject disp theology and have to explain what this temple is. This temple has never existed and God desires its existence. So it is a big allegory of the church? One must have a wild imagination to try and make sense of all the intricate details in those chapters to apply them to the body of Christ.
The True Israel of God.
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Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
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Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
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Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
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Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
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Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
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Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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"if ye be Christ's"
"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Galatians 3:7.
"For they are not all Israel which are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children… but the children of promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:6-8.
"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29.
"For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh." Philippians 3:3,
Spiritual and not physical
@@rhondaweber5638 Apples and oranges. Paul is reasoning that true spiritual Israel is SMALLER than physical Israel. Paul is not opening up Israel for Gentiles. Smaller not bigger. Specified, not opened. We are sons of Abraham by faith, not sons of Jacob. Paul would have needed to call us sons of Jacob if he was calling us Spiritual Israel. But he called us sons of Abraham by faith. Not sons of Abraham by Ishmael not sons of Abraham by Isaac. But sons of Abraham BY FAITH.
I wonder why believers don't sense unsettlement from that teaching. A man's heart is so rough and insensitive. 😮😢
You "cannot question an ecumenical council"? I can. I do. I have my Bible. That was also the decision of the Reformers. The councils, creeds, and confessions are as important to me as saying the Rosary. Not.
What makes your understanding of the Bible more correct than that of the bishops of the ecumencial councils? What makes you think you're so smart? All I hear from people like you is "I, I, I, me, me, me!!!" "I'm enough on my own! I don't need anyone else's wisdom or guidance! I'm the authority of what the Bible really says! "ME! ME! ME!"
Sounds like you're leaning on your own understanding to me. You are full of pride. Pride is the root of all sins. Pride is the sin of the devil. Even the devil can quote Scripture, and every heretic got their theology from Scripture. What makes you think you're so special?
@@sakamotosan1887 it is healthy to be on the watch for prideful interpretation. But as I stated, the Reformers set an an example of questioning Church traditions, councils, and confessions. So here we have two good principles. But balance is not the answer. Pride is always wrong and questioning like a Berean is always correct. I have examined Covenant Theology and have found it to be purely fictitious.
The Bible is Gods word. It says lean not on your own understanding. That also goes for other men’s understanding. Why can’t y’all just read the Bible and believe it?
His kingdom will have no end BUT it must be shorter than one thousand years? The millennium is not in tradition, and therefore the eternal endless reign must be shorter than one thousand years?
You did a beautiful and precise job explaining the prob with dispensionalism. The last 1/3 of the video you lost me a little bit. I’m still reading scripture as pointing towards historic pre-milleniumism and a post tribulation rapture.
Dispensationalists often say that Darby didn’t come up with it. That it was the early church fathers who came up with it. I believe they are in grave error. If you know our Lord, you know His character. A rapture is not of His character. We are to suffer and TRUST and LOVE Him through it all. He suffered for us!!!
My goodness there is so much division in the body. Lord in Heaven, if it is your will and for your Glory only, please speed up the days as the crevice gets wider by the day in your body.
In the end, we shall be trusting Him. That one day, He will return. The saints are called to suffer for Him. Holy Spirit will give us strength to endure and persevere. Trust in Him. Rest in Him who loves you.
Did Noah go into the flood or rise above it? Thanks
The apostle Paul was a dispensationalist. As soon as one makes a distinction between Law and Grace (OT vs NT) pre cross and after the cross, you become a dispensationalist. Dispensationalism is not a system interpretation, it is the result of a literal interpretation.
I tend to process like a child, so
#1 can you in one sentence tell me what is the main problem with a dispensationlism view; one sentence please.
#2 do they reject that the bible carries mankind through various dispensations beginning with adam in the garden and ending with Jesus and an age of grace?
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The main problem is--Dispensationalists reject that Jesus is King now and those who obey His commands comprise His kingdom which is expanding all across the earth currently. But according to Dispy's, Jesus must wait until some "future" time to be King and have His kingdom, making the prophet Daniel a false prophet as Dan 2:34-35,44-45 was not fulfilled.
Expanding on that--Jesus' first recorded ministry words are about the Kingdom (Mk 1:15). Jesus spoke about the Kingdom of God more than any other subject (125 times in the 4 Gospels). Just prior to His ascension, He continued to speak about the Kingdom (Acts 1:3). The word "Christ" has the concept/meaning of "king" (Lk 23:2). The Apostles spoke about Jesus as King and about His Kingdom (Rev 1:5-6; 1 Pet 2:9), including Paul (Acts 17:7; 28:30-31). The risen King, who has all authority in heaven and on the earth, is seated on His throne which will never be shaken. That is the Good News (i.e. Gospel). Come, enter into the Kingdom.
Also where is "age of grace" found in Scripture? Now, you may say but Paul preached the gospel of grace as Acts 20:24 says "But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD." But I would respond by asking you to just read the very next verse to see what Paul preached (Acts 20:25), "And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I HAVE GONE ABOUT PROCLAIMING THE KINGDOM will see my face again."
@@1754Me I'm not following your line of thinking. Clearly Paul is talking about his message being about the grace of God and that he is likely not going to visit these people again either because the road is leading far away or maybe due to his eventual death.
@@gordonbrownlee2775 You will not find anywhere in the New Testament (or Old for that matter) that says that we are in "the age of grace". Many times, at least the Dispy's I've talked with, will say that we must preach the "gospel of grace" since we are in "the age of grace." Grace, along with salvation, mercy, faithfulness, peace, joy, righteousness, etc. are all characteristics of the Kingdom. Paul says in Rm 14:17 that "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." Has the Holy Spirit been given? Sure. And if you notice, peace and joy are listed as fruits of the Spirit in Gal 5:22 which is for now. I would add that the "fruit of righteousness" as found in Phil 1:11 is also evidence that the Kingdom is now, not an "event" yet future.
For some reason my first original comment isn't showing at times. Hopefully you can see it, but if not, I will post it again. I'll send it in 2 parts so it's not as lengthy.
Part 1--The main problem is--Dispensationalists reject that Jesus is King now and those who obey His commands comprise His kingdom which is expanding all across the earth currently. But according to Dispy's, Jesus must wait until some "future" time to be King and have His kingdom, making the prophet Daniel a false prophet as Dan 2:34-35,44-45 was not fulfilled.
Well said, brother!
Part 1/2 I can appreciate people's various opinions on Eschatology. What I don't particularly like is when someone who is ignorant of the things they claim, then comes to a conclusion like this video does.
I am not here to attack this person. I have no clue who he is, but he clearly doesn't understand the topic, which makes it problematic. He's also convinced while not understanding the topic that he's right. We can disagree but he's not well educated on the topic.
Just because we have questions that we struggle with doesn't mean that something is false.
So did the early Christians talk about dispensational topics? Yes. Now whether or not they are true these ideas did NOT begin with Darby.
A rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem AFTER 70AD
Barnabas - (First Century) “You can perceive that their hope is vain. Furthermore, the Lord said, ‘Behold, they who destroy this temple, even they will again build it up once more.’ This prophecy was fulfilled because the Jews went to war against their enemy. But even though they are now no more than servants to Rome, they will return and rebuild the temple. It was revealed that the city of Jerusalem, the temple, and the people of Israel were to be given up.” Epistle of Barnabas 16:5-7
Irenaeus (about 180 AD) wrote his 5 volume work called “Against Heresies” “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25
Hippolytus (170-235AD): On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "...And after that he (Antichrist) will build the temple in Jerusalem (notice a literal building), and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away."
Notice in the references to the 70th week of the final 7 years.
Irenaeus- The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months..." Against Heresies 5:25
Hippolytus- For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away."
Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist"
"Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week (7 years), therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half (1,260 days = 3.5 years). For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8
Thousand-year reign of Jesus,
Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9
Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28
Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80
Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1
Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81
Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6
The Rapture-
Church father Irenaeus 180AD wrote “Against Heresies”: “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” Irenaeus “Against Heresies 5.29
Ephrem 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD
Lactantius in the second century between 100-200AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 is when "the Church shall be taken away”
Victorinus a bishop who lived in 240AD (martyred 304AD) also wrote "And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up, for the heaven to be rolled away, that is, the Church shall be taken away. And the mountain and the islands removed from their places..."
So as you can see whether we disagree or not these ideas were NOT invented by Darby.
(Continued in Part 2).
Great video! Praise God.
The Temple was for perpetual ceremonial animal sacrifices performed by the priests.
The Temple itself served its temporal service and was destroyed in 70 A. D. In connection with His Parousia.
the only theology that matters is whether or not the Creator has revealed himself to you.
The title is appropriate and accurate. How did this abomination become biblical doctrine to millions of people, yet they cannot show it from the Bible?
The crowning achievement of dispensationalism is to reverse anything, Jesus said.
But Jesus did say that the heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall by no means pass away , in 21 verse 33.
There are too many TH-camrs who speak as authorities but lack comprehensive knowledge. Broad knowledge does not equate to comprehensive knowledge. Trivial arguments ensue and Christ is relegated to the back row of the faith.
His first statement makes me wonder if he really knows what it means to be a "Christian."
What statement was that?
2:26 Justin Martyr preaching the pre-millenial reign of Christ. That's pretty much half-way home to a biblical eschatology. Now, when was the last time you and your friends preached I Thessalonians 4:17 for the purpose of comforting as Paul commanded you. Got that? He commanded YOU to preach the Rapture/Resurrection. When are you going to place that Rapture (harmadzo)? Try these: Revelation 20:6: "...they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."
Revelation 5:10: "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." So you think Christ is going to leave the faithful dead (not the Grateful Dead) moldering in the ground during the Millennium, hmm? Seems that Rapture has to be at least Pre-Mil. And since the paragraphs immediately following after the Rapture passage in I Thessalonians 4:17 describe the Tribulation period and state: "We are not appointed to wrath!", don't you think that some dispensationalist ideas are pretty well founded (not to say all). You can apologize to the dispensationalists now. They are fairly certain they will be "kept from the hour."
Amen and amen my brother
Spot on
Roman Catholicism, the merging of the Babylonian, pagan Roman Empire with the true Church found in the New Testament isn't biblical. The entirety of Scripture from Genesis through Revelation teaches salvation through God's grace ( mercy, love) without repentance ( God doesn't take it back at anytime) which is completely contrary to what the RCC teaches.
Good thing this isn't an RCC channel then :D
How do you think we got the canon of scripture in the first place? All of the early church writings had to be scrutinized to determine whether or not it was God breathed. They had a method, (hermeneutical process) to verify it was. As a matter of fact, historical record, Polycarp, bishop of SMYRNA, (1 of the 7 in Revelation) and a disciple of John, the revealtor did not accept the book of Revelation as part of the canon of scripture. Do your homework.
The canonization was left in the hands of churches like the seven that Jesus chewed out in the Rev.
You could Google it. I find people that don't believe in dispensation just happen to be in the dispensation of grace.?
Well done! Scripture interprets scripture. One ant ignore how GODS WORD is connected. Thank you!
I've heard some bad attempts to refute dispensationalism, but this one might be the worst. Have you ever read the Bible? Have you ever studied church history outside of either the Catholic church perspective or the reformed perspective? If not, I would recommend it. Many works have been produced showing that many in the early church and throughout church history held to forms of what we call dispensationalism. And don't let the word "forms" throw you off. All "Christian" beliefs are seen in forms in the early church. Theology has developed over the centuries to bring us to where we are today.
I was a dispensationalist for over 20 years. It was the theological ethos I was brought up in and nurtured in.
I'm sorry you feel this was a poor refutation. I have read the early church fathers and councils thoroughly - I also studied at a dispensational institution - and it is quite clear that *nothing* close to modern dispensationalism was present in the early church. Anyone who believes it was present has a poor grasp of historical theology and the context surrounding such a study.
In the least, I would hope that if you truly believe dispensationalism (in forms) was taught in the early church, you would also acknowledge the universal teaching of Christ's real presence in the Eucharist, baptismal regeneration, and the essential structure of the Church as bishops, priests, and deacons. If you reject these universal teachings, I have no reason to believe you are a serious student of the early church.
@@merecatholicity almost everything that is taught today was taught in the early church in some form. Just because it was taught in the early church doesn't mean that it was correct. Anyone who bases their beliefs on the early church fathers are greatly mistaken. The Bible is our final authority. And if the Bible says one thing and the early fathers say something different, then I'm going with the Bible.
@merecatholicity Lee Brainard has done a phenomenal job in researching the early church fathers and their teachings. He has found multiple sources, some of which had not been translated before now, that taught the pretrib rapture of the church. It's a great find that's been almost completely ignored by too many. Now, it's coming to the forefront that those who deny that the pretrib rapture was taught in the early church are completely wrong. As we suspected all along.
However, I don't need the early church fathers to decide what correct theology is. I have the Bible.
The Bible that was complied and canonized by the Church led by the Spirit… ironic that you trust that the Spirit led the Church to put together the right books of Scripture, but ignore their authority on everything else.
The early Church? I will follow the Bible, not the early, middle or anytime Church. What Jesus said to those churches early in the Revelation does not promote learning our doctrine form the churches or from church tradition. Bible. Bible. Bible.
thank you so much brother
Ah a Catholic talking about false teachings
He is Anglican. He means catholic in the lower case c sense
Part 2/2 The problem with Christians today and many factions in the past is that they are under the false impression the world revolves around them. Yes, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus, but we are also very sinful and our sins have caused immense problems including biblical ignorance around the world.
The biggest error is that Christians read Scripture as if it all pertains to them, instead of the world. Christians claim Jesus was the final sacrifice, yes if you receive Him as Lord and Savior. If you are His because of faith in Jesus then there is no need for another sacrifice, but most of the world is not saved and so when things begin to unfold people will come to Jerusalem to worship the GOD of Israel still ignorant that it's Jesus.
Revelation 11:1-2 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
...11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And [e]they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people- 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
Very few Christians can ever give me an answer of why Scripture says that the everlasting Gospel is "“Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
No mention of Jesus, or forgiveness of sins, etc.
Sacrifices will be instituted again because the world will worship the GOD of Israel.
Ezekiel 37:21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 38:18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great [e]earthquake in the land of Israel, 20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’ 21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.” ’
Will the sacrifices save them? No. But it will cover their sins and as things move along in the timeline the knowledge of Jesus will enter the global human consciousness.
First, there is a belief in GOD and then there will be a belief in Jesus. This same principle applies to all in the millennial kingdom who don't believe by faith.
Zechariah 14: 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.
When Jesus comes back people will have kids and those kids will grow into adults over the 1000 years to where there will be many who don't believe in who Jesus is.
Rev 20: 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
So after Jesus has reigned for 1000 years with a population of people who are believers needing no sacrifice and non-believers needing a sacrifice to cover their sins. Satan will be released to gather the non-believers who want to go to war against the LORD. Then He will wipe them out and commence Judgment Day.
Rev 20: 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
Another mistake Christians have made is that the LORD owns the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem.
Genesis 15:18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants, I have given this land,..." (Ownership)
Leviticus 25:1-2 And the Lord spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give you,..." (Ownership) Verse 23 ‘The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me." ("The land is Mine"- Ownership) The word "Sojourners" means guest, visitor, someone who has no claim of ownership.
2 Chronicles 6:5-6 5 ‘Since the day that I brought My people out of the land of Egypt, I have chosen no city from any tribe of Israel in which to build a house, that My name might be there, nor did I choose any man to be a ruler over My people Israel. 6 Yet I have chosen Jerusalem, that My name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel.’ (My Name may be there"- Ownership)
Joel 3:1-2 “For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. ("My Land"- Ownership)
Isaiah 45:3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me. 5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me,"
Psalm 121:4 Behold, He who keeps Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
The question as Christians we need to ask ourselves isn't whether we agree with all of Israel's decisions or not. We need to ask "When did the LORD relinquish His claim of ownership over the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem?" Answer: NEVER. The second question is why after 1800+ years has the LORD (Owner of the land and Jerusalem) allowed the Jewish people back into the Land? Simple, He said He would. Ezekiel 37:21-23, Jeremiah 24:3-8, Mark 13:28-30.
Everything is right on schedule according to Scripture. "All these things must come to pass". It's sad to me how biblically illiterate Christians have become that even before they understand the biblical narrative that is playing out in front of us in real-time, they call it heresy out of ignorance.
I see a post Trib rapture at the coming of our Lord Jesus. Hebrews 9:28 makes that clear. And we must leave this world for a while as it gets cleansed by fire.
If you actually read the Bible you will find it to be a fact. Hebrews is a good example and it's found in Genesis and exodus. The bible interprets it self quite well.
The Bible indeed is often it’s best interpreter…which is why, after I began to actually read scripture in context and then compared Scripture with scripture, I abandoned dispensationalism years ago.
Then you didn't read it properly. The bible would make no sense. Are you under the law? Are you from the 12 tribes? No
We live in the Dispensation of Grace!!
It’s always been grace. Read ur Bible.
It’s always been grace. Read ur Bible.
Dispensationalism is nothing more the the literal gramatical understanding of the prophecies. The argument that it is new is not a strong one. Because the traditional Church lost the basic teaching of salvation by grace for most of its history.
So you're saying there's no old or new testament? You have no idea how to rightly divide.
who is a Christian?
My question to you is this, you said you know some people who are Christian and believe this dispensationalism. But then you said this doctrine is blasphemous.
So how can a person believe this stuff that is blasphemous and still be considered a Christian??
I agree on Dispensationalism and Pre-Tribulation Rapture, or "Secret Coming"..however I find the the idea of God becoming Man so Man can become God very...strange, I would say if not blasphemous so close to it...I wonder what Scripture lies as foundation for such a statement. God's Peace
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” (1 Timothy 3:16)
Idk about man becoming God I never heard anyone teach that part but God did become a man
Why , we are refered to as sons of God in the bible. Saved people.
nowhere does it say in the Bible, "man can become God." Where do you get that?00000000.
@@JonathanEngblom You should learn to read. I said sons of God.
1 John 3:2- Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Here is a telling question. The way you answer it will help me understand if you really know the Word of God. How many resurrections are there in the New Testament?
Interesting that no one answered my question.
Well to start, I am a Christian who is only recently in the past year or so gotten what I would consider "adequately" serious. So I'll answer you with genuine curiosity of your message and my own understanding to the best of my ability but i may say something stupid, as this stuff has gotten quite confusing lately.
As I understand it (depending on your definition of resurrection) there were two, right? When Jesus was resurrected on the third day and when Jesus brought the girl back from the dead?
If you mean resurrection of Christ, then there is one. I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion. There is one incarnation, one resurrection, and one second coming.
I'm largely with you--especially as touching the modern heresy of the pre-trib rapture--but you seem to deny the literal earthly physical thousand-year reign of Christ, so clearly laid out in substance and sequence in Revelation 20 (and 21).
My standard and protocol is simple: Scripture always takes precedence, even over Orthodoxy, where it departs from Scripture.
Gee I guess the apostle Paul didn't know what he was talking about. Ephesians 1;10 That in the DISPENSATION of the fullness of times.... !Co.9;17 a DISPENSATION of the gospel committed.... Col1;25 according to the DISPENSATION of GOD. Who do I believe you or Paul. The word of God
I agree. I will accept the Word of God over these radical thinkers that are captured by the thinking of men over the Word of God.
But wait. Are you telling me that dispensationalists didn't add those words? But did they write that thousand years in the Revelation? Dispensationalism came late because they took the time to read the Bible first.
If despensations are not Christian theology why is it mentioned 4 times in your KJV Bible?
The presence of the word dies not indicate the presence of the doctrine of dispansationalism
Couldn’t get past your first argument.
You are essentially saying that the idea isn’t old enough and it doesn’t have enough advocates long enough ago in order to be credible.
I’m still trying to understand what dispensationalism is. But this was not helpful and actually has me questioning the opposite of your opinion because your first argument was so weak.
Hope this helps.
Dispensationalism was late in coming. But that is because those who started dispensationalism first took the time to read the Bible. That makes the difference. Other theological systems don't have room for a rapture or a millennium because they formulated their systems from ignorant traditions or from Aristotelian philosophy, and not from reading the Bible. Covenant Theology is based on the Roman Catholic scholastics concept of one simple thing in history, based on Aristotle's theory. That is why dispensations won't fit. If only they had read the Bible first!!!
One reason that this is significant is that Dispensationalism describes a very specific path to salvation, a path not described by Christ nor promulgated by His Apostles. What can it mean if God has so ordered the world that for eighteen centuries millions lived and died believing they were good Christians but in fact they had been deceived by the Adversary and are burning in hell. Can we put our trust in a God who reveals Himself fully only centuries after His incarnation, and then only to a small population? I dare not presume to judge in this matter, but surely it could be argued that such an arrangement is unfair.
Rather one would expect that Christ himself would provide simple terms of salvation available to anyone -- to be immersed in water and so reborn, to to break bread and drink with Him and thereby to digest and imbibe His being (you are what you eat!), and most of all to have faith, even the smallest degree of faith. By this practice one gives room to the Holy Spirit to operate, hopefully changing one's ways.o
@@JosephBoxmeyerthat's the dumbest argument ever. Pre mil dispensationalism is absolutely unbiblical.
The good news is that YOU ARE A SAINT IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. so if you are right about your theology or wrong...Jesus died for you that you might be saved. amen.
Amen !
You say that you’re concerned with a ‘theology’ that violates ‘orthodox’.
I’m learning a lot about you from this statement. You should be concerned with any ‘council of orthodoxy’ that violates ‘scripture’.
Any and all creeds or quotes from any man, is in subjection to the written word of God.
I noticed that you failed to appeal to scripture throughout this video
"Scripture"? What's that? He has tradition. He has historical Church theology. You know, like those bad doctrines in those seven churches.
Great job - third temple is SO offensive…
Well the Jews are trying to build it... sooo...
The literal, physical re-crucifixion of Christ at every Mass, & the doctrine of Purgatory are both heresy.
Good thing no church has ever taught the former. And I'd agree with you regarding certain forms of the latter.