Well done. When I was in evangelicalism, I was given the impression that this was the only eschatological position the Scriptures taught. Now, as a confessional Lutheran, I know better.
Sure thing, as soon as you can prove to me that dispensational pre-millennialism was taught by somebody before Darby or Schofield. As soon as you show me who did, show me their charts, and show me that it was a prevalent belief in the early church, then we’ll talk.
@@Outrider74 silly. Just silly. Your logic is aligned with this video. Explain to me why it is important for a theology to be old. Satan has a theology older than any human's. Is that what you want? Dispensationalism is more recent because they took the time to read the Bible first. That is why the prophecies fit. Because what God put in the Bible was the priority, not trying to agree with Roman Catholic Theology.
@@JosephBoxmeyer Truthfully, this is a very obtuse and intellectually stinted comment. A theology's age has a LOT to do with bearing witness to its truth. If a doctrinal position cannot be found in the early church, or in Scripture itself, we have very, VERY good reason to, at the very least, be suspicious of it.
Couldn’t get past your first argument. You are essentially saying that the idea isn’t old enough and it doesn’t have enough advocates long enough ago in order to be credible. I’m still trying to understand what dispensationalism is. But this was not helpful and actually has me questioning the opposite of your opinion because your first argument was so weak. Hope this helps.
Dispensationalism was late in coming. But that is because those who started dispensationalism first took the time to read the Bible. That makes the difference. Other theological systems don't have room for a rapture or a millennium because they formulated their systems from ignorant traditions or from Aristotelian philosophy, and not from reading the Bible. Covenant Theology is based on the Roman Catholic scholastics concept of one simple thing in history, based on Aristotle's theory. That is why dispensations won't fit. If only they had read the Bible first!!!
One reason that this is significant is that Dispensationalism describes a very specific path to salvation, a path not described by Christ nor promulgated by His Apostles. What can it mean if God has so ordered the world that for eighteen centuries millions lived and died believing they were good Christians but in fact they had been deceived by the Adversary and are burning in hell. Can we put our trust in a God who reveals Himself fully only centuries after His incarnation, and then only to a small population? I dare not presume to judge in this matter, but surely it could be argued that such an arrangement is unfair. Rather one would expect that Christ himself would provide simple terms of salvation available to anyone -- to be immersed in water and so reborn, to to break bread and drink with Him and thereby to digest and imbibe His being (you are what you eat!), and most of all to have faith, even the smallest degree of faith. By this practice one gives room to the Holy Spirit to operate, hopefully changing one's ways.o
This is basically a sound demolition job on the theology of pre-millennialism/dispensationalism, so well done. BUT... 1. Darby was *not* the originator of dispensationalism. The true originator of modern dispensationalism was the Jesuit, Manuel Lacunza, who around 1785 wrote "The Coming of the Messiah in Glory". The book was initially banned by the Papacy, then unbanned, then translated into several languages. Someone called Edward Irving got fascinated with the book, and translated it in 1827. He then developed Lacunza's ideas at the Albury Conferences, 1830, which Darby attended. When Edward Irving died of stress and overwork in 1834, the ambitious Darby took over the theory, refined it here and there, then promoted it in many countries. 2. You mis-spoke when you said that as believers we will 'become God' in Heaven. NO, we will be exactly as we are now: sons and daughters of God, with resurrection bodies, no more, no less. 3. You have given the impression you are a Catholic with the images of Christ and Mary behind you. I hope you are not a Roman Catholic, which is far worse than being a dispensationalist!
Pre-millenianism, post-millenialism, and a-millenialism are concepts that find their origin in a particular method of biblical interpretation of the book of Revelation that occured in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. Dispensationalism as we know it today is the invention of Darby. Perhaps Lacunza had something to say about this before Darby, but if you read the history of Darby you will discover that he was an extremely cantankerous individual that excommunicated hundreds from his church at the slightest suggestion of disagreement. For this reason Lacunza's theology would necessarily have to match Darby's, and I would be surprised if it did, but it could, but if not Darby would dismiss it out of hand.
Icons and a cross aren't wrong. Andnthey don't make you Roman Catholic. He could be orthodox or Lutheran as well. Maybe Anglican. My guess is not Orthodox.
@@JosephBoxmeyer He cannot explain it because it is a figment of his imagination. The truly deception is that of those who fail to hear the whole counsel of God's Word.
@@davidcooper1201I fear that the Lord has imposed a blindness and a hardness upon much of His Church because the outright reject His word. I can see no other explanation for the degree of obstinacy in twisting the Bible. I have lately become depressed over the insistence that God cannot save Jews, that Israel must mean Gentiles.
I unlearned all that in the early 90s, by reading the bible. What a joy to be able to read and learn Gods word with the Holy Spirit guiding me ! Darby fooled a lot of people. The way out of false teaching is to read the bible.
Make sure you test that spirit. if it’s leading you towards an allegorical hermeneutic id be concerned of being on a path towards making God into your own image and calling God a liar. Spoiler: the church is different than Israel, read Romans 11 again. Millenium means 1000 years The time of Jacob’s trouble is specific for a reason
@@Jilly85Amen. I might quit dispensationalism. I just found out that Darby and Scofield were sinners! Next they will be accused of being Roman Catholic priests.
Just ask them to show it from the Scriptures. They cannot. Yet they preach it as truth. It's all based on a gross perversion of Daniel 9, where they take the actual Messiah prophecy of the 70th week, and apply it to antichrist instead. Raw blasphemy.
At one time I went through the same thing. Have them watch the TH-cam video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" to show them the original source of the doctrine in black and white. It came from Edward Irving's English translation of a book written by a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza. Irving taught doctrine from the book at the Albury Prophetic conference about 1826. John Nelson Darby taught the doctrine at the Powerscourt Prophetic conference a few years later. Darby became the chief promoter of the doctrine after Irving died during 1834. New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the three questions below? Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Dispensationalism has led to the erroneous, bifurcated belief for the people of God, that the church isn't the visible people of God, and mistakenly makes🇮🇱 the visible people of God (a new Replacement Theology).
The major problem about dispensationalism is a lot of evangelicals embrace it but don't know about its origins nor its errors nor the theology itself. Sad. It took me 20 years to unlearn this heresy.
Thank you for calling it heresy. I know a lot of Christian people who won't go that far and call it that, and I think they should because it is heretical.
Better late than never. Some refuse to see the light. You investigated and found truth .Amen. Now we need to expose it to the world to glorify God and slap the devil.
@@langleybeliever7789 True, but most don't STUDY it for themselves. They take the word of their favorite rock star preacher, who also didn't study for himself, but was taught dispensational heresy at SEMINARY which sourced it from the corrupt Scofield Bible, which was sourced ultimately from.the jesuit order, which fabricated futurism and preterism to protect their beloved man of sin, the POPE.
@@langleybeliever7789It would speak for itself if you were the original audience which you aren't. It was written to other people but also for our benefit. Not the same thing. That's why we have methods of hermeneutics; we should try to learn the surroundings historical influenced, cultural influences, linguistic influences, etc. You, as a presumably, Western Christian 2000yrs later does not understand Scripture the same way the first few centuries of the church would.
@@johno8886 Heresy is dangerous. You're basically saying that everyone can believe different things and some of them might be right, idk, but it's probably fine anyway, right? cuz all ya gotta do is "believe" in Jesus. The early Church was of one mind. If you tried to say that some other doctrine was true, you were excommunicated and no longer a part of the Church. You can come back into the Church if you repent of your heresy and submit yourself to the teachings of the Church, which are the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. The seven ecumenical councils are infallible and must be believed by Christians. There is only ONE second coming of Christ, not a secret second coming, and then a "real" second coming, and the Old Covenant has passed away and is no longer valid.
I was raised with this heretical belief and I just assumed it was the standard in most sects and denoms which really pushed me away from considering going to any Church by the time I was 19 for years. Only the last few months years later have I started taking things seriously and have gotten this far in learning it's completely new and man-made uninspired origins. God's mercy is truly infinite, I never thought I'd get specific info on this and would forever be shunned as a conspiracy theorist by family.
2:26 Justin Martyr preaching the pre-millenial reign of Christ. That's pretty much half-way home to a biblical eschatology. Now, when was the last time you and your friends preached I Thessalonians 4:17 for the purpose of comforting as Paul commanded you. Got that? He commanded YOU to preach the Rapture/Resurrection. When are you going to place that Rapture (harmadzo)? Try these: Revelation 20:6: "...they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years." Revelation 5:10: "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." So you think Christ is going to leave the faithful dead (not the Grateful Dead) moldering in the ground during the Millennium, hmm? Seems that Rapture has to be at least Pre-Mil. And since the paragraphs immediately following after the Rapture passage in I Thessalonians 4:17 describe the Tribulation period and state: "We are not appointed to wrath!", don't you think that some dispensationalist ideas are pretty well founded (not to say all). You can apologize to the dispensationalists now. They are fairly certain they will be "kept from the hour."
Correct conclusion. Incorrect reasons for coming to the conclusion. Dispensationalism is false because God’s Word doesn’t teach it. Not because of “orthodoxy”, church fathers or creeds. The church fathers are the Apostles, and their teachings are the New Testament.
I think galatians 2 might disagree that they all fathered the church and that the entire New Testament is directed towards the church. All apostles weren't to the church. Also see Romans 11 especially verse 25. All apostles weren't dedicated to the church and neither were their messages all for the church. I agree that we don't follow the early church traditions but don't necessarily agree that this man has come to any correct conclusions. He also never actually used the Bible to back up any of his claims and refuted it by his claims more than once.
@@JP-ec9rlAll apostles weren't to the church." Ephesians 4:11-16 11And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ- 16from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. - The Body is the church (Colossians 1:24). - Unless I've misunderstood, it makes it sound like you are referring to an entirely Gentile church. Before responding to that I'll wait for clarification, but if that is what your'e saying that is false and it is easily shown otherwise.
Your arguments don't invalidate the arguments you took issue with in the video. The only one I take issue with is the "it's a modern innovation" argument. While that might add to the case for its invalidity, it's not an argument in and of itself. Just because an idea is older or newer does not make it inherently better or worse. Time is relative, and the second Temple Jews basically made the same argument against the early Christians because relative to when they lived, Christianity was a "modern" innovation. It's just not a good argument, but everything else he said was completely valid.
Ah, God's Word doesn't teach anything about a systematic theology. There is nothing false about dispensationalism except in the minds of those who prefer their own systematic study of Scripture. So show me what I believe that is not taught in God's Word and I will be glad to use the Word of God to square away your "doctrine, and reprove you and help you understand more clearly correction in righteousness" (II Timothy 3:16).
Thank you so much for this video, and the others I have not yet watched. I'm sharing with many friends, in hopes they will continue to share with others, so the truth will spread more rapidly than the lie of dispensationalism did. I am in full agreement with what you've said, and have given the same reasons for my viewpoint when trying to explain why I'm not a pretrib/premil believer. Too often, I'm brushed off as being one who has not read my bible! There are some, though, that at least listen, and I've tried to find videos that aren't too lengthy to share with them, as I'm not the best teacher...so thank you for filling that need! I look forward to watching all of your videos, and I pray your viewership grows. God bless you, your family, and your mission to teach truth!
Thank you, Mary. My eschatology playlist will be the easiest way to find my other videos dealing with this area of theology. May we all continue to grow into a greater unity for the sake of Christ our Lord! Blessings to you!
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy. It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn. It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled. I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders. It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now. Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video. For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse. That's been my experience thus far. So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind Lord help us W
@@wulfclaw4921 I have had these same experiences brother. It's so disheartening at times. I'm in the rural southern US and the only type of churches around me are ones that are dispensational. I can't go to a church that holds to those beliefs because they are obsessed with it, obsessed with modern day Israel being "God's chosen people". They say I don't read my Bible, or don't understand it. Or that I'm anti-Semitic, or a racist. They call me divisive and that I need to get right with God because I am not a dispensationalist. It's all so bizarre. May the Lord open their blind eyes.
I grew up hearing this theology in church even though I could easily tell that it is not scriptural. I could never follow their stupid charts in the books and the books by Hal Lindsey that I bought out of curiosity were all thrown out with the recyclable newspapers because that is where they belonged.
I have not read lindsay. Don't care. But non dispensationalists don't like charts because they require accountability. You can't hide. Imagine a chart produced by people who believe that the thousand years all happened in 70 AD ! Funny. So then where was the tribulation? So the chart would show how Satan was prevented from deception during the destruction of Jerusalem. And Jesus was reigning in peace and justice as Christians were being massacred. I understand why your theology is allergic to charts.
Explain to me how you read this part of Romans 11: Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; 27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[e] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. 33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! 34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?” 35 “Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?”
@@Jilly85 Thanks I will reply as soon as I have a bit of time. However I probably see it the same as you do. God is going to have mercy on Israel. Many is going to turn to Christ.
Please watch the video again. Dispensationalism is heresy and leads people astray just like it did to you. Don't fall for it. Look at the cross and Jesus finished work. Not at a 19th century heresy
No where does the NT teach that the church is spiritual Israel. I used to believe that and am familiar with the proofs texts but none of those texts actually teach it.
The millennial temple as described in Ezekiel 40-48 teaches sacrifices which are for forgiveness of sins which is a theocratic forgiveness. It’s not to secure one’s standing before God and justification. It’s not blasphemy at all any more than the sacrifices in the OC accomplished such forgiveness. The real problem is for people who reject disp theology and have to explain what this temple is. This temple has never existed and God desires its existence. So it is a big allegory of the church? One must have a wild imagination to try and make sense of all the intricate details in those chapters to apply them to the body of Christ.
The True Israel of God. ....... Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: . Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. . Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. ....... Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. ....... Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. . Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. . Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. ....... Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. ....... Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. ....... Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. . "if ye be Christ's"
"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Galatians 3:7. "For they are not all Israel which are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children… but the children of promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:6-8. "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29. "For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh." Philippians 3:3, Spiritual and not physical
@@rhondaweber5638 Apples and oranges. Paul is reasoning that true spiritual Israel is SMALLER than physical Israel. Paul is not opening up Israel for Gentiles. Smaller not bigger. Specified, not opened. We are sons of Abraham by faith, not sons of Jacob. Paul would have needed to call us sons of Jacob if he was calling us Spiritual Israel. But he called us sons of Abraham by faith. Not sons of Abraham by Ishmael not sons of Abraham by Isaac. But sons of Abraham BY FAITH.
I don’t need to see what early church “fathers” believed to figure out where I stand in matters of faith. I have a complete Bible in my language, the Word of God and I am told to rightly divide the word. This video is useless.
"I don't need anyone to tell me anything, I know better than 2,000 years of collective wisdom of Christians all around the world, I've got the Holy Spirit guiding me and you don't, I'm the sole authority of what the Bible actually says, I, I, I, me, me, me!!!"
@@sakamotosan1887 don’t put your faith in men, put your faith in the word of God itself. We have direct access to God, the veil has been torn, stop believing men. Lean not on your own understanding.
It will take generations for this to fade if it ever does.. I started questioning this theology at 9 years old and because of the blow back I got from the adults in my life, I learned early not to trust in men. It did not shake my faith in God, but no one was teaching anything different to me. I gave up on trying to understand the Bible many times when I was younger. Praise God I was being raised in a Christian home at least! My mother had the really great habit of praying for her children ceaselessly, I found my way out of confusion and to an understanding of how to rightfully digest the word of God. We still debate eschatology sometimes when I don't watch what I say. She's 90, and it's never good to argue with your mother especially when she's this old.. I understand her reluctance to part with the theology, as it is a large part of her identity. It's the same for many others too. The men who started this, the men who fully understand the theological implications behind what they are teaching are going to be held accountable I believe. I would not want to be in the shoe's of anyone who rejects understanding and truth for self willed sensationalism.
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 I try to stay away from labeling myself.. Often these dividing distinctions in doctrines revolve around eschatology. Jesus gave us several parables about being ready, he was also clear that even he doesn't know when that last day will be.. It's pretty clear where we are to focus our attention in life according to Jesus. Doctrines of dubious distinction, and it's division are discouraged definitively throughout the entire bible. I'm just trying to stick with Jesus. I encourage everyone to do the same, and to examine the ideas of all men with a spiritual 'ten foot pole'.
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 it might not be God drawing you toward Covenental Theology. First examine Genesis to see where God promised Adam eternal life for success in a trial period of obedience. The Covenant of Works is based on this. But there is no such promise. And basic also is to equate Adam's "law" with the Mosaic law. Supposedly the same! And then Jesus was obligated to obey the law to earn righteousness for us and to earn eternal life for us by law obedience. This is why they need to make up the covenant of works with Adam, with him having both the law and the eternal life promise. And please read Romans three. Righteousness without the law! Righteousness without the works of the law. But the Jesuit Roman Catholic Covenant Theology system denies Romans three and demands that Jesus earn righteousness and eternal life for us BY LAW WORKS! They reject "righteousness without the law". Jesuits. Anti-Christ theology.
To believe in dispensations is to believe the gospel itself. "What is, what was, what will be again" the "alpha and the omega". . But the doctrine of dispensationalism the way its taught is the latter days doctrine of demons spoken about in the book of Timothy. Because what it does is make two paths. One for the Jew, one for the church. It turns the church into the "side chick" for God, and focuses everything on the Jewish law, calendars, feasts, ect. Because the doctrine itself agrees with the pharisee that Jesus spoke with 2000 years ago. . "We have Abraham as our Father". So i argue that to follow the doctrine of dispensationalism as it is mainstream taught, one cannot be a Christian as they deny the first coming of Jesus by agreeing with the pharisee that the blood of Abraham is sufficient. "Believe in Jesus and be saved" but also "claim to be a Jew living in Israel by flesh and God is going to save you anyway". It's a denial of the free will, the loosened chains that Christ purchased on the cross. The denial that it is his blood shed which made children of Abraham, not nepotism of flesh. They cannot be a Christian, because they deny Jesus and his first coming. They are actually by their deeds and understanding. . Jews themselves. As they deny Christ was the messiah. "Their lips speak of his name but their hearts are far from him"
Recognizing everything that can be said about Gary Demar, his description of "clearing the theological chessboard" with regard to dispensationalism is 100% accurate. The system requires certain pieces glued to certain spots that they could not reach on their own, and everything else has to move around them. You cannot start from scratch and derive dispensationalism from the Bible without presupposing it
I would like an example or two. If God is on His King square, I will not be the one to move Him. Do you resent that He is glued there? What does God say in the Bible that you don't like? Where does Dispensationalism voice dislike with what God has declared? What pieces do we glue to spots that they would not get to on their own? I do not understand what your chess analogy wants to say. I fought against dispensationalism when it was new to me. I had to start from scratch fighting it point by point. I became one. Covenant Theology, needs to be taught because it is fictional. For example the covenant of works with Adam is supposed to be in Genesis 2:16-17. But WHERE is the law? Where is the promise of righteousness and eternal life for Adam and his descendants if he obeyed? And please explain how "that law continued to be perfect rule of righteousness" for his descendants? Difficult when the Garden was locked and guarded and access to that tree was impossible. All made up. Fiction.
@@JosephBoxmeyer It's not my analogy, and the analogy is about how we do hermeneutics and derive theology. The analogy isn't as deep as pinning specific theologies to a specific piece. The point is that things like "the rapture", "the Antichrist", the Church not yet being part of the New Covenant, etc are assumed and can't be questioned. It's **like** the C1 Bishop (white, left side) being glued to C4 and we then have to play (interpret the Bible) without moving it
Great video Jonah, I love what you are doing with your channel and I am so thankful that I do not consider myself a dispensationalist anymore as I used to, I am now more partial preterist, post millennialist, and whatever else one might label my view of eschatology.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by Bob George, and David H.J. Gay. ===================== Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
Bingo. God’s chosen are not actually chosen, but he who chooses to believe and obey the word of God, and ye shall be called the children of God. It is not about ethnicity as that was proven when God asked Esau first if he would obey the Torah and be His ppl, he rejected. Abraham decided to accept. The new covenant supersedes the old covenant which the Jewish ppl rejected as explained in the book of Malachi.
The following proves you are correct. Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the word “remnant” in Romans 9:27, with the word “nation”? 6. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 7. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 8. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 9. Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 10. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 11. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? (See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.) Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
More than this, I think the popularization of dispensationalism has played a huge role in the shifting of Christian thinking that has allowed the decline of Western civilization. It's not the sole culprit, by any means, but it's one side of the larger problem that I think far too few people recognize as part of the problem. Many of the implications of dispensationalism incentivize a very insular and defeatist mindset about the world and the Christian's role in it which has caused much of Christianity to neglect its essential role as salt and light, which has created a cultural vacuum that has been filled by a lot of nefarious, destructive, and subversive secular ideologies, especially since the 1960s and 70s. I grew up in this sort of environment, and I love many of the people that often unconsciously subscribe to it (and many who are diehard proponents), but I have really grown to despise a lot about this worldview and what it has done to society, and I'm still trying to learn about other Christian perspectives to find areas in which I still need to reform my own thinking. The fact that I discovered that there was so much more beyond the confines of what I knew played a big role in saving my faith.
Sounds like you could be J.W., R.C., LDS, SDA they are all grace rejecting. You are BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS , PART OF HIS BODY. The bible says your faith is counted for righteousness.
Exactly. It has people blessing antichrist synagogue of satan over in the occupied state of Palestine. If it weren't for dispensationalists rooting for the people falsely called Isreal, they wouldn't be stealing all our money, weapons and they wouldn't be allowed to commit genocide!
A defeatist mindset. Probably communism too. You really seem to be clueless about dispensationalism. But that is understandable if you learn what you know from teachers such as this.
One thing I noticed about this video is that you aren't arguing against the ideas of dispensational hermeneutics ( not once did you argue against it using scripture but just said because this elite group (encumenical councils) denies literal interpretation and allegorical interpretation thus its not Christian. Its weak argumentation. Its an appeal to authority. Its fallacious. Do better
Good insights. Another disturbing phenomenon that arose in the late 20th century is the Ruckmanite sect of King James Onlyism, who piggybacked onto this by taking 2 Tim. 2:15 (rightly 'dividing') as THE key to unlocking a proper understanding of "dispensations", without which they claim that we'll make a mess of so much of scripture. It's quite a sectarian "special knowledge" position. They belittle anyone who disagrees with them.
🤓The death knell of Dispensationalism is inter alia located in the 1917 Scofield "Bible" at Scofield's commentary on John 1:17, to wit: "...As a dispensation, grace begins with the death and resurrection of Christ ... The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ..." but what does God say in Romans 4:8 "...for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness..." hence Abraham was saved by the grace of God through the faith of Jesus Christ [Romans 3:22 LXX] - for the Law was not only given to Moses AFTER Abraham's death [except if you take the 1st law as obedience to God, Gen 2:16&17] but alas there is no salvation but through Jesus Christ - Acts 4:12. And we all know Abe was a sinner; lying and scheming.
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy. It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn. It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled. I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders. It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now. Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video. For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse. That's been my experience thus far. So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind Lord help us W
I wouldn't say that you're an unbeliever or anything like that. Just that you're a bit dramatic. I mean it's denominational theology. It wasn't exactly pretty between the apostles themselves in galatians chapter 2. Why would you expect it to be different now?
There are lots of lies told about dispensationalism. For example, they say that Darby got his pre-trib lation rapture from a crazy girl's dream.. Actually that cannot be true because the dream that she saw was an ANTI- pre trib rapture. And they talk about dispensationalism being invented by a Jesuit. Another lie. I have read most of that book myself, I have challenged these guys. They cannot show me ANYTHING in the book that is dispensational. NOTHING!! I suspect that all of those stories are equally slander. Lies.
Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: Collosians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
You are right, Dispensationalism is not a theology. It is just acknowledging God worked in man differently throughout the course of history. I am open to criticism, but the things you say about dispensationalism in the first minute and a half are not true, just repeating talking points that have been corrected a long time ago. Those in this comment thread who call it heresy might want to consider the true definition of heresy: is acknowledging God had differnt economies throughout scripture leading people away from the gospel? Is having a differnt end time beleif leading people into unbelief? Are John MacArthur, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, J Vernon Mcgee and the majority of conservative radio preachers throughout the last hundred years all heretics? Are they going to hell? Is your theology 100% true? Does everyone in your theology camp beleive exactly the same or are they heretics too when they disagree with you? Be careful. 1 Corinthians 1 and 2 has a stark warning against that rhetoric. Paul says you are being carnal.
@11 min. That man might BECOME GOD?? Oh, well sure. If SAINT Athananasius says so. Hey, maybe we are Mormons. I don't give a hoot what SAINTS or councils have said. I have my Bible. And we do NOT ever BECOME GOD.
I'm largely with you--especially as touching the modern heresy of the pre-trib rapture--but you seem to deny the literal earthly physical thousand-year reign of Christ, so clearly laid out in substance and sequence in Revelation 20 (and 21). My standard and protocol is simple: Scripture always takes precedence, even over Orthodoxy, where it departs from Scripture.
Careful - it is not a salvation issue - Isnt there enough division in the Body of Christ without adding to it. The Lord commands the blessing where there is unity with the brethren. Division = no blessing. Pre, Mid Post Trib, Pre Mid post rapture, amillenialism, preterist + - take your pic. Again not salvation issues.
Nicene creed vs the Bible. Who wins? Don’t trust the “wisdom” of men! Rapture is the harpazo. It’s Biblical!! By “Orthodoxy” you mean what men think… lean not on your own understanding. Gnosticism is a secret knowledge not whatever you just described. Dispensation have a very reasonable view for the rapture, rapture in the Latin and Harpazo in the Greek it means to be snatched up it also goes back to the details of a Galilean wedding, which is what Jesus is describing when he’s telling the disciples about this actual thing And to do with Enoch and how he was raptured before the flood where Noah was preserved through it. How lot was ruptured from Sodom before its destruction. And Daniel was raptured from the picture before his friends were preserved through the fire. Not to mention that the book of revelation says very clearly in ch 4 what happens after the bema seat (Christians) in heaven occurs. it clearly lays out a before and after. But covenant theology, churches just don’t read that book very closely or at all. The only book to offer up a blessing to the reader who understands it and the primary message I got from my covenant theology friends is - “There’s no use spending time there. You can’t really understand it.” Sad..
Here's a thought. Jesus came as the Jewish Messiah .. yet, the Jewish hierarchy rejected him. If there is no future for Israel, then Jesus failed at His mission. Yet, it is impossible for God to fail at anything. No, God is not finished with the Jewish people. Oh, the 3rd temple will be a house of prayer (as Jesus stated) ... "sacrificial prayer" in its ability to do as Jesus did, that is the perfect demonstration of obedience. Thank you, your video is earnest and well-stated. God bless you, brother.
I agree. Dispensationalism is not an exegetically valid doctrine, and is often defended by its adherents through disingenuous arguments and gaslighting. @josephboxmyer. Since I am either blocked from responding to you directly, or TH-cam is censoring me, I will have to amend my OP. Red herrings and trying to put words in my mouth are dishonest attempts at gaslighting. Or, do you not know what dispensationalism is? A person doesn't have to be a dispensationalist to believe in a literal thousand years reign of Christ. Your attempt to use that as a proof is irrelevant since the difference there is about whether a person is an amillenialist, or a postmillenialist, or a premillennialist. You demonstrate your ignorance by trying to use a straw man fallacy here and put words in my mouth, as well as equivocating on what dispensationalism actually teaches. You also avoid the gap theories I mentioned and equivocate on what I am referring to as "esoteric," as well as equivocating on when I said, "In some instances it is not even literal," by somehow assuming that I said in all instances. I would agree with a literal interpretation of the millennial reign, and a literal reading of 1 Thess. 4. The disagreement on 1 Thess. 4, is about when it occurs, and that it is not the pre-trib rapture of dispensationalism. It is a secret if it is an unexpected surprise as taught by dispensationalists. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Left Behind Books and movie where people just suddenly disappear from the earth? 1 Thess. 4 (there is no rapture in ch. 2) is the rapture at the second coming of Christ after the tribulation. The secret rapture of dispensationalism is the pre-trib rapture. There is nothing in 1 Thess. 4, that says it occurs before the tribulation. On the contrary, it says, "we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord." If you believe in a pre-trib rapture you don't "remain unto the coming of the Lord" when the resurrection occurs. Instead, in the pre-trib rapture you are raptured out before the coming of the Lord and before the resurrection of the dead in Christ. Rev. 14. 1 has Jesus on mount Sinai with the 144,000, "the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb." who were raised with him in Matt. 27. 52, and who are the first fruits because Jesus is the first fruits in 1 Cor. 15. 23. If you are raptured after the resurrection of Jesus, you are not the first fruits of the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel. 1 Cor. 15. 23, "Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." After what? After the firstfruits. When? At his coming to reign on earth for a thousand years. (Even if you disagree with me about when the 144,000 are/were resurrected, if anyone gets raptured or resurrected before the tribulation it is the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel because they are the first fruits, and as first fruits they precede the gentile church. There is only one 2nd "coming" of Christ. With a pre-trib rapture occurring before the tribulation you are being raptured out before the 2nd coming when the millennial reign begins. Thus, the pre-trib rapture is not a "remaining unto the coming of the Lord." You haven't endured to the end. In 1 Thess. 4. 14, Jesus brings the dead with him, because they shall rise first, v. 16. For this to be a pre-trib rapture the first resurrection in Rev. 20. 5-6, would have to be a second resurrection, and the pre-trib rapture would be a 2nd coming with Jesus coming before the millennial reign being a 3rd coming. There are the "first fruits" that took place when Jesus resurrected. Then the first resurrection of believers when Jesus returns. Rev. 20. 6. Then the second resurrection where those who are judged according to their works and whose names are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, Rev. 20. 12-15. If 1 Thess. 4, is a "coming of the Lord" and a resurrection and rapture that precedes the tribulation, then there must be two of these events, one before the tribulation and one after the tribulation when Jesus returns to resurrect the dead and transform the living, 1 Cor. 15:51-2, and begin his millennial reign. The wrath of God begins with the 7 bowl/vial judgements. The period before that is the tribulation. The gap theory used by dispensationalists between Dan. 9. 26 and Dan. 9. 27, to explain the church age and then a return to the Mosaic law for the last 7 years of the tribulation is also "esoteric" since it is not literally there in Dan. 9. 26-27. The dispensationalist's claim that the tribulation is a 7 year period relies upon the esoteric gap between Dan. 9. 26 and 27, since the only period of time mentioned in Revelation are 3 1/2 year periods that dispensationalists assume are two different 3 1/2 year periods to make it conform to their interpretation of Dan. 9. 26-27. But there is no mention of a 7 year period in Revelation. Nor any mention of the events in Revelation being the last week, or 70th week of Daniel. If you are a Scofield dispensationalist, then there is also a mythological, or "esoteric" gap between Gen. 1. 1, and Gen. 1. 2, that is not literally there. As for the chosen people, I don't need a wizard unless you consider Paul a wizard. Gal. 3. 16, "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." ... (29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Jesus is the heir of Abraham. Jesus is the "true vine." John 15. 1. And, "No man cometh to the Father, but by me." John 14. 6. Not even the genetic descendants of Abraham. John 8. 37, "I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you." Their salvation is through Jesus Christ just like it is for everyone else. John 8. 47, "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not God's." Paul is explaining in Rom. 11. 20, that they were broken off because of "unbelief." But, they can be graffed back in if they accept Jesus Christ as their savior. Rom. 11. 23, "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again." Their presence in the land was always conditional. Only Jesus Christ is the true heir of the promises given to Abraham. Deut. 28. 63, "And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whether thou goest to possess it. And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from one end of the earth unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone." Matt. 21. 43, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof." Matt. 23. 38, "Behold, your house is left to you desolate." Isaiah 65. 15, "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name." 1 Thess. 2. 14-16, "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the dg*ews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." Ignatius A.D. 30-107, Epistle to the Magnesians, ch. 10: "Let us therefore prove ourselves worthy of that name which we have received. For whosoever is called by any other name besides this, he is not of God; for he has not received the prophecy which speaks thus concerning us: "The people shall be called by a new name, which the Lord shall name them, and shall be a holy people. This was first fulfilled in Syria; for "the disciples were called Christians at Antioch," when Paul and Peter were laying the foundations of the Church." Isaiah 66. 7-8, "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child (Rev. 12. 5-6). Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children." 1 Peter 2. 9-10, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shee forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy." The people calling themselves Israel are apostates in rebellion against God. Ask any true Orthodox dg*ew. They oppose the modern state of Israel and protest against it. If God did not allow the Hebrews to enter the promised land because of their unbelief, so that they wandered in the wilderness for forty years; and promised root them out of the land in Deut. 28. 63-64; Deut. 29. 27-28; then why would he allow the descendants of these same hardnecked people to enter the land as a secular, apostate, people? Is God a double-minded hypocrite? I think not. Even if they are the genetic descendants of Abraham, they are imposters and not the chosen people of God as long as they are in unbelief. They are the people of the antichrist. Not all. Many are deceived like Christian Zionists are deceived, as Jesus prophesied in Matt. 24. 10-12, 24. Lastly, your reference to Catholicism is just another straw man fallacy.
Yes I agree that the Pre tribulation rapture is a Darby fantasy. But it is not as blasphemous as the more the 30 + heresies and man created myths of the Roman Catholic Church. For example:- purgatory, transubstantiation, Mary worship [i.e. goddess worship.] If you reject Christ's rule on earth or Satan's imprisonment and eventual short release you might as well throw Revelations and much of Paul's teaching and writings in the garbage bin.
The good news is that YOU ARE A SAINT IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. so if you are right about your theology or wrong...Jesus died for you that you might be saved. amen.
Pretty disingenuous assessment of dispensationalism followed by some heavy condemnation. Still trying to find my way theologically, but definitely sensing a theological echo chamber in this video. What does saving faith have to do with our eschatological views/interpretations? My view is that anyone who teaches the last things with certainty is caught up in their own pride.
To get to the truth one must listen to both sides and the Scriptures they use to support their view- and i do mean a thorough study and comparison of scripture. One view always sounds convincing until its cross- examined by another but it's the one that is backed up and supported by Gods Word. Be careful what you deem as being heretical- you just might be wrong.
His kingdom will have no end. But His kingdom is shorter than one thousand years. So you insist on the inerrancy of the councils, creeds, and confessions? But all of the confessions? Do you believe in the Divine authorship and inerrancy of the Westminster Confession? I do not believe in this for any of the confessions or creeds. And, be honest, do you see the necessity for the Reformation? If yes, then wouldn't the councils, creeds, and confessions have solved all of the issues? Perhaps there are many doctrinal issues which official Church declarations never spoke to. Is truth limited to what has been declared officially? Was the Trinity not true until a Church council declared it to be true? Any Bible text which was Holy Spirit inspired, was it not in God's Bible until officially recognized by "canonization" by a Church council? True truth is true regardless of whether officially recognized.
Thank you for sharing your insight. The resurrection of “sacrificial” practices sounds like a reintroduction of occult practices. They will start with animals and then move to “people” to atone your/their corporeal sins. I hope two things are revealed about these occultist/deceivers: 1) they practice human sacrifices to a demonic god, and 2) Zionists are descendants of Canaan who are known for human sacrifices. 3) the deceivers hijacked the interpretation of the “end times” to suit their perverse needs.
The crowning achievement of dispensationalism is to reverse anything, Jesus said. But Jesus did say that the heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall by no means pass away , in 21 verse 33.
If you want to see dispensationalism at its peak, go watch Hope For Our Times and Wretched Watchman, I used to follow these guys religiously until I discovered the Catholic Church and did just the slightest bit of research. Now those two guys are nothing more than a good update on the news that’s going on around the world lol
Beware of Paganism in Christianity that leads the real believers away from the truth. The truth is in Jeremiah, new covenant is Torah on our heats. What is Torah? Ask Yeshua and He already answered.
Dispensationalism is nothing more the the literal gramatical understanding of the prophecies. The argument that it is new is not a strong one. Because the traditional Church lost the basic teaching of salvation by grace for most of its history.
The problem is that everyone needs a "system" or label. Why not just call yourself a Christian and be done with labels such as "reformed" or "Calvinist"?
I just want to understand !! do you believe the gospel preached before anyone on this earth knew about the death burial and resurrection is the exact same as the gospel that includes and centers around the death burial and resurrection ? is that what your telling me ! ? matt 4:23 and matt 9:35 are the exact same as romans 10:9 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 , hmmmmm trust in the resurrection , or no resurrection ! same ??different??? get real !!!! saved by the blood before the blood was shed ! same??? covered and washed in the blood before any one knew he was going to die !!! your better than that!! its your pride and ego that cant grasp this!!!
Part 1/2 I can appreciate people's various opinions on Eschatology. What I don't particularly like is when someone who is ignorant of the things they claim, then comes to a conclusion like this video does. I am not here to attack this person. I have no clue who he is, but he clearly doesn't understand the topic, which makes it problematic. He's also convinced while not understanding the topic that he's right. We can disagree but he's not well educated on the topic. Just because we have questions that we struggle with doesn't mean that something is false. So did the early Christians talk about dispensational topics? Yes. Now whether or not they are true these ideas did NOT begin with Darby. A rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem AFTER 70AD Barnabas - (First Century) “You can perceive that their hope is vain. Furthermore, the Lord said, ‘Behold, they who destroy this temple, even they will again build it up once more.’ This prophecy was fulfilled because the Jews went to war against their enemy. But even though they are now no more than servants to Rome, they will return and rebuild the temple. It was revealed that the city of Jerusalem, the temple, and the people of Israel were to be given up.” Epistle of Barnabas 16:5-7 Irenaeus (about 180 AD) wrote his 5 volume work called “Against Heresies” “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 Hippolytus (170-235AD): On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "...And after that he (Antichrist) will build the temple in Jerusalem (notice a literal building), and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away." Notice in the references to the 70th week of the final 7 years. Irenaeus- The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months..." Against Heresies 5:25 Hippolytus- For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away." Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist" "Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week (7 years), therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half (1,260 days = 3.5 years). For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8 Thousand-year reign of Jesus, Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81 Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6 The Rapture- Church father Irenaeus 180AD wrote “Against Heresies”: “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” Irenaeus “Against Heresies 5.29 Ephrem 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD Lactantius in the second century between 100-200AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 is when "the Church shall be taken away” Victorinus a bishop who lived in 240AD (martyred 304AD) also wrote "And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up, for the heaven to be rolled away, that is, the Church shall be taken away. And the mountain and the islands removed from their places..." So as you can see whether we disagree or not these ideas were NOT invented by Darby. (Continued in Part 2).
Part 2/2 The problem with Christians today and many factions in the past is that they are under the false impression the world revolves around them. Yes, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus, but we are also very sinful and our sins have caused immense problems including biblical ignorance around the world. The biggest error is that Christians read Scripture as if it all pertains to them, instead of the world. Christians claim Jesus was the final sacrifice, yes if you receive Him as Lord and Savior. If you are His because of faith in Jesus then there is no need for another sacrifice, but most of the world is not saved and so when things begin to unfold people will come to Jerusalem to worship the GOD of Israel still ignorant that it's Jesus. Revelation 11:1-2 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. ...11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And [e]they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven. Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people- 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” Very few Christians can ever give me an answer of why Scripture says that the everlasting Gospel is "“Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” No mention of Jesus, or forgiveness of sins, etc. Sacrifices will be instituted again because the world will worship the GOD of Israel. Ezekiel 37:21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God. Ezekiel 38:18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great [e]earthquake in the land of Israel, 20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’ 21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.” ’ Will the sacrifices save them? No. But it will cover their sins and as things move along in the timeline the knowledge of Jesus will enter the global human consciousness. First, there is a belief in GOD and then there will be a belief in Jesus. This same principle applies to all in the millennial kingdom who don't believe by faith. Zechariah 14: 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. When Jesus comes back people will have kids and those kids will grow into adults over the 1000 years to where there will be many who don't believe in who Jesus is. Rev 20: 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. So after Jesus has reigned for 1000 years with a population of people who are believers needing no sacrifice and non-believers needing a sacrifice to cover their sins. Satan will be released to gather the non-believers who want to go to war against the LORD. Then He will wipe them out and commence Judgment Day. Rev 20: 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. Another mistake Christians have made is that the LORD owns the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem. Genesis 15:18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants, I have given this land,..." (Ownership) Leviticus 25:1-2 And the Lord spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give you,..." (Ownership) Verse 23 ‘The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me." ("The land is Mine"- Ownership) The word "Sojourners" means guest, visitor, someone who has no claim of ownership. 2 Chronicles 6:5-6 5 ‘Since the day that I brought My people out of the land of Egypt, I have chosen no city from any tribe of Israel in which to build a house, that My name might be there, nor did I choose any man to be a ruler over My people Israel. 6 Yet I have chosen Jerusalem, that My name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel.’ (My Name may be there"- Ownership) Joel 3:1-2 “For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. ("My Land"- Ownership) Isaiah 45:3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me. 5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me," Psalm 121:4 Behold, He who keeps Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The question as Christians we need to ask ourselves isn't whether we agree with all of Israel's decisions or not. We need to ask "When did the LORD relinquish His claim of ownership over the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem?" Answer: NEVER. The second question is why after 1800+ years has the LORD (Owner of the land and Jerusalem) allowed the Jewish people back into the Land? Simple, He said He would. Ezekiel 37:21-23, Jeremiah 24:3-8, Mark 13:28-30. Everything is right on schedule according to Scripture. "All these things must come to pass". It's sad to me how biblically illiterate Christians have become that even before they understand the biblical narrative that is playing out in front of us in real-time, they call it heresy out of ignorance.
You seem to be very passionate. But you spend a lot of time talking about orthodoxy.And creeds rather than points of scripture that you disagree with. You also say that you would never get dispensationalism by simply reading this text. But I could equally say that of coven intelligent which is the main opposite view. So far all I get is that since it's new it must be wrong. If that is correct then the church's condemnation of slavery which is also a very recent is also wrong. You see we're using ancient views as restandered is a problem. The standard is scripture itself. And the plain reading of scripture without inserting antitematism or ancient orthodoxy would not arrive at covenant theology but would arrive at something else. My suggestion is that you would come up with some version of dispensationalism but not necessarily all of you that you seem to have a problem with.
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation. Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time? Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
@noway5378 couldn't be more anti biblical We are most definitely not living in the Kingdom of God. Physical Kingdoms have a physical King His name is Jesus. He is coming soon. The prayer, thy kingdom COME thy will be done on EARTH. This is a FUTURE event. Do you really think God's will is being done? The 1000 year reign is REAL and accurate to the second. It is NOT a figure of speech. It starts SOON.
@@boldbeliever52 Dude, nobody here believes that mess any longer. We've been delivered from that deception & heresy. I know you mean well, but you are believing false man-made doctrine. Research the origins of it.
@@boldbeliever52 So you are saying that Jesus has to be physically on this earth in order to be King even though He already declared that He has ALL authority in heaven and on the earth? Was God physically present when He declared that He was Israel's king in Exodus 19:5-6--"IF you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant (then) you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples...and you shall be to me a KINGDOM of priests and a holy nation." (Note--a conditional covenant--"if, then") In the Exodus passage above, the Israelites were only 3 months out from leaving Egypt and they were still wandering around in the desert. So, God made them a KINGDOM even though they had no "official" land boundaries. In the NT, Peter declared those who are obedient to King Jesus' commands "are a chosen race, a ROYAL (as pertaining to a King) priesthood, a holy nation..." Notice that this is in the present tense, not a future tense. It's also similar to what God declared back in Exodus above but applying it to the Church. John, after declaring that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on the earth" (Rev 1:5), goes on to say to the King's followers that He "made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father..." (Rev 1:6). What tense is this--past, present, or future?
The Bible teaches that this world is darkness and corrupt and rejected by God. My kingdom is not of this world is a direct quote. They that are in the flesh cannot please God is another quote. The children of the flesh are not the children of God a quote. God is a Spirit are all reality.
With all due respect, Brother, I don’t think you are being fully honest here. Please correct me if I’m wrong. At just past the 6:00 mark, you claim that “All of the scriptures that they appeal to, that they think teach a millennium temple, a millennial kingdom temple, all speak of sacrifices as an atonement.” Yet, strangely enough, the words “atone” or “atonement” don’t appear in Ezekiel 40 through 48. In fact, those words aren’t in the entire book of Ezekiel at all. So neither dispensationalists nor the Bible speak of these offerings as atoning or atonement. So did you misspeak there? THEN, following that, you claim dispensationalists have to change, allegorize or deny the language of the text to come up with the idea they are memorial sacrifices. But we just saw the words “atone” or “atonement” aren’t in there. So dispensationalists don’t change, allegorize or deny anything here, do they? FINALLY, you go on to claim, “We have to take the animal sacrifices in there as atonement.” YOU - YOU - YOU are the one that changes or denies the scripture by inserting the word “atonement.” So you do EXACTLY what you falsely accuse the dispensationalists of doing. Help me out here: Is that called irony or hypocrisy? ; )
When I referred to atonement, I was speaking of the word חַטָּאת used throughout chapters 40-48 to speak of animals offered as "sin offerings." The word חַטָּאת means expiation or atonement. When seeking to critique someone's exegesis of a passage, it is always good to look at the original language and not just the English translation. If you had done that, you would note that the word atonement is present as I pointed out above. That being said, I do appreciate the comment and your desire to hold people to what it is they are communicating about Scripture!
Thank you for that very quick response. While “sin offering” and other offerings are mentioned in Ezekiel 40 through 48, it still does not explicitly say it is for an “atonement,” as it does in many other places, i.e., Ex 29:33, Ex 29:36, Lev 1:4, and dozens of others. So while the offering is mentioned, it does not “all speak of sacrifices as an atonement,” as you claimed. See the examples just given, where they actually DO speak of sacrifices as an atonement. But that is a minor issue compared to 1) when you think Ezekiel 40 - 48 actually happens, or, if you allegorize or spiritualize it away, as I suspect, what it does refer to (I mean, there’s a LOT of detail given in there for just a spiritual teaching); and 2) your willingness to accept and follow political creeds and Roman Catholic “orthodoxy” over the Bible. By following creeds and confessions instead of studying and rightly dividing the word of truth, as commanded in II Timothy, “have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” (Matt 15:6) Why would someone settle for mere traditions, like the Pharisees in Matt 15, when they could read and study God’s actual word? Maranatha. : )
@@hereticus40 Seems you are simply trying to avoid the actual definition of the word. I clearly pointed out that the English words "sin offering" are translated from the Hebrew word which means "atonement" or "expiation." English translations do not reveal the depth of the biblical language. You can push back on this all you want, but scholars from all sides of the debate are in agreement with me-including dispensational ones! Who said Ezekiel 40-48 is a "spiritual" teaching? What a shallow way to understand and engage Old Testament prophecy! One does not have to believe that God's plan of redemption must regress back to a sacrificial system in a temple to take Ezekiel very very seriously. Finally, your last point is a strawman. I don't follow the Creeds of the Church (all Protestants historically believe them too) over and against Scripture. I hold them as affirmations regarding the truth of Scripture. The Church is, afterall, the pillar and foundation of truth, according to Scripture! It seems you have an incredibly shallow understanding of the Church and its authority, opting instead for your own authority as the supreme Pope. You do realize that if you ignore the Church-which you clearly say you do-trading instead for the Bible, what you are really doing is trading the community to which God gave the Scriptures, and opting to instead elevate yourself as the sole source of authority-since you are the one interpreting Scripture.
@@merecatholicity the veil has been torn, we have direct access to God. We can read the scriptures and they make sense. God is a god of clarity. Look at how messed up the Catholic Church has been for centuries, why not trust them? Do you critique Martin Luther in the same way? The church is all believers everywhere, the bride of Christ. It’s not the 501x3 tax exempt organization you’re thinking of. There is no pope or prophet giving us new scripture revelation today. We have plenty of false prophets though..
Israel is the synagogue of Satan best case scenario, the actual real Jews 2000 years ago were that and the fake Jew Rothschild banker deep state military industrial complex are probably even worse
To be clear I don't categorize myself as a dispensationalist or covenant theorist. I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and I believe that God is outside of time who does things in the fullness of time, is a covenant making and Covenant keeping God. I do want to note some verses for you to investigate. Ephesians 1:10 that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ both which are in heaven and which are on the earth even in him. 3:2 if you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward. ... it's just a funny but dispensation is actually found there :) A literal catching away of the saints is biblical or John 14;1-3 would have to be false...Jesus is promising in that scripture that if he goes away that he will come again and (receive) us unto himself... that where he is that we may also be. That's 1. Coming again 2. To receive us 3. Unto Himself 4. That (where He is) 5. We may also be. Those are the words of Jesus and some of us take those words to Heart :) Isaiah 26:19-21 your dead men shall live together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing you that dwell in the dust for your dew is as the dew of the herbs and the Earth shall cast out the Dead. Come my people enter into your Chambers and shut your doors, hide yourself as it were for a little moment until the indignation be overpast. For behold the Lord comes out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity the Earth also shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain. This passage of scripture clearly parallels with 1st Thessalonians chapter 4:15-18 and 1st Corinthians chapter 15:50-57 Revelation 3:10 So it's no secret :) Revelation 20:4 and I saw Thrones and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God and which had not worship the Beast neither his image neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they LIVED and REIGNED WITH CHRIST FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. I don't think I need to add anything to that that's pretty clear but there is a rule and reign of Christ for 1000 years immediately following the tribulation. Just listening to your teaching it's apparent to me that you need to re-read Romans chapter 1 to understand that there are consequences that are going to be the match and judgement will be executed through the Lord Jesus Christ Rev 5:9-10 Also please read 2nd Peter 3 again and re-evaluate what "reserved for fire" just might be implying. Thanks
Read Acts 1.....Jesus preached to the disciples on the Kingdm of God for 40 days....it is obvious because of their question that the diciples expect the Kingdom of Israel to be restored. You should be careful to hear the whole counsel of God's Word. It is part of God's overall plan which your unbelief cannot eradicate.
@@davidcooper1201 with all due respect, the kingdom the disciples were looking for and inquiring about did not come to fruition because their Messiah was rejected and cut off. I think it would be really nice if supposed brothers and sisters in Christ could allow iron to sharpen iron with the spirit of love, wouldn’t you agree? Let us strive for that in Jesus name. Blessings
Do you believe that Jesus is currently King and that He has all authority in heaven and on the earth? The Bible sure indicates it so. Revelation 1:5-6 says that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on earth" and that He has "made us a kingdom". Are these verses said in the past, present, or future tense? What about all of these verses about Jesus reigning as King? are they in the past, present, or future tense? Colossians 3:1--"If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." Hebrews 1:3--"After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrews 8:1--"we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven" Hebrews 10:12--"But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God," Hebrews 12:2--"looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." Revelation 3:31--Jesus is telling the believers/church to "conquer" in order to receive the same reward as He has received--"as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne."
We're all going to find out pretty soon I think. J.N. Darby..., oh my. Schofield and a few others. Flawed men to be sure, but that's all of us to one degree or another. However, even a broken clock is right twice a day. A few factors, nevertheless, need some consideration. The only information that has come to us in modern times from the early Church has been filtered through a thousand years of the Catholic Church, and just as with the scriptures, we really don't have any of their original manuscripts, nor do we have all of their complete works so far as we know. In addition, after the RCC, Aquinas, Augustine, and a few others were done finalizing their Amillennialism, and altering or burning any documentation or people that didn't agree with their theology right up until they couldn't get away with it anymore; it's not surprising that that the RCC and most of the groups that splintered off from them hold similar positions, and have lost interest in the prophetic aspects of the Bible. The scriptures do strongly indicate that there are things that will not be understood until the latter days. And many aspects of prophecy were ignored in the past because they didn't really have a way to make it fit into their theology. Do I think that Dispensational Hermeneutics and pre-tribulation eschatology are the only correct interpretation of the Bible? No, however, I also think it should not be dismissed out of hand merely because many others say it should be. Darby didn't originate Dispensational Hermeneutics. There were others that held similar views; and Darby and Schofield were more like popularizers that spread it around so that others could examine the scriptures and build upon it. Perhaps this is a bad thing, but so long as the basic Gospel message is kept, I think the Lord Jesus Christ allows for a bit of goofy theology. And I feel certain that every branch of Christianity has some of that. The Lord Jesus in His infinite wisdom DIDN'T (except for the Gospel) write down and chisel in stone a complete and detailed system of theology that was to be rigorously followed without deviation or development. We were given the Gospel, the Lord's supper, baptism, and a bit of guidance from the Apostles, and the Bible; which is all we really need. So, given that, and the tendency of people to mess with things that are working just fine, and the possibility that Jesus wants us to search the scriptures for better understanding. (But not development) It's not surprising that some people have seen some things in the scriptures that were discarded or passed over in the past. Does that mean they are thereby wrong? Probably only time will tell. But you might want to keep an open mind, read your Bible, study it, and keep an eye on the news, because things are happening that are very interesting in the light of prophecy and eschatology. Going up?! 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
You do see it in history. And how long did the Catholic Church have terrible theology before the reformation? 2 different plans!? You don’t understand the theology. It’s only by Jesus that we are saved. You reformed guys think everything is about soteriology. Milk faith. It’s what the Bible teaches. Why is it that all of the covenant theology churches stick to a beaten path within the Bible? Why won’t they read Romans 11? Why not the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, revelation? Why do all of the disp churches tend to teach the entire Bible? There are 10 X the qty of seminaries that focus on your hermeneutic. By no means is that proof for this being made up. Sacrifices will be atoning for sins? You really don’t get the hermeneutic at all. That’s the difference, it was always Jesus in the past present and in the future. The animal sacrifices never did it. The irony is that your view actually makes two different systems by being saved.. old and new. dispensation think has always been one, Jesus. Perhaps you guys are so scared of going to hell that you think everything in the Bible is about soteriology. How do you explain the 70th week of Daniel? How do you explain the time of Jacob’s trouble? Why is it not the time of Abraham’s trouble? Do you understand the difference? Thankfully, I found a more dispensational viewpoint on the Bible and it has changed my walk incredibly. The Bible has come to life and u cannot unsee it once you’ve seen it. I noticed a massive trend where covenant theology people just absolutely cannot re-create the hermeneutic. Try to steel man the viewpoint rather than taking the absolute worst line. What happened to the ever lasting covenant of land for the Jews? Did God make a mistake? Did he not see the future? Did he repurpose the Land for the church? Or did he do exactly what he said and provide the land for the Jews, which they now live in again after 1900 years? Don’t you think God would’ve seen how confusing this would be in advance? In the same way that the Jews did sacrifices for 37 years after the death of Christ, they will do these again in the future And in the same way, they will be for the same purpose. Remember “in their affliction, they will seek me” at the end of the tribulation they will finally seek Jesus himself when they realize that he’s the one that they pierced. The Jews will be pursuing God and Jesus will be pursuing the Jews in the end, the Jews will accept Jesus as their savior
Thanks, well said. I want to expand on one point. Dispensationalism is accused of teaching that there will be temple sacrifices in the millennial kingdom. True. But WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT? Dispensationalism is a mature adult theology. If they read it in the Bible then it needs a place in Disp. Theo. We don't put our hands over our eyes and hope that the thousand years will go away or pretend that it already happened. Those sacrifices are prophecies in several places. Mature Bible students don't overlook what they don't like. But since we insist that the sacrifices never took away sin, why do slanderers claim that Disp. teach that the sacrifices will replace Jesus'death in the future? It is probably too much to hope that you will grow up.
Mr. Cathlocity, I agree the teaching of dispensationalism is bad theology. Speaking as a protestant and Reformed. There are several Reformed teachers who also are dispensationists: John MacArthur and Irwin Lutzer, to name two. But then you have whole other groups in the Arminian side who are wholeheartedly dispensationists and, in my opinion, wrong on both counts.
@devothebot3008 P.s. I would also say you can't be Roman Catholic and be a Christian if your beliefs are in line with the pope in Rome and Alphonso Ligouri.
@@blchamblisscscp8476I'm very much not a Roman Catholic and would have a hard time bending the knee to papal rule for a lot of reasons, but to say that Roman Catholics aren't Christian in the core sense of the word is completely absurd.
Dispensation is literally written in the Scriptures. 1Co 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God... Heb 1:1 God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.
Roman Catholicism, the merging of the Babylonian, pagan Roman Empire with the true Church found in the New Testament isn't biblical. The entirety of Scripture from Genesis through Revelation teaches salvation through God's grace ( mercy, love) without repentance ( God doesn't take it back at anytime) which is completely contrary to what the RCC teaches.
At 2:30, you say the church is the fullness of what Israel pointed towards. This is false. Romans 11:12 "Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?" The fall of Israel, not their fullness, is the cause of the current dispensation of grace given to Paul (Ephesians 3), until the fullness of the Gentiles become in (Romans 11:25), then after God will save Israel and bring about their fullness (Romans 11:26), in accordance with the scriptures of the prophets to make them a nation above the nations (Isaiah 2, Isaiah 60, Isaiah 66, etc). Dispensationalism explains the fall of Israel, the fullness of the Gentiles into the Body of Christ, and the fullness of Israel into the nation above the nations, in the correct order.
Ok so the jews will repent and acknowlege Christ? thats in ro.11:23? so the terms are set? isnt that the point of the video? we are grafted in, we dont do the setting,,,,,,ro.11.28 As concerning the gospel, indeed, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are most dear for the sake of the fathers. Sounds like we are supposed to stay out of it, are they the enemies we are supposed to love? i understand this as they will return to the tree before christ's second coming.
@@joetookmyvideo The Jews as a nation rejected Christ, thus they fell and diminished (Romans 11:11), but that is in contrast to their fullness (Romans 11:12). The fullness of Israel is when the nation repents and receives Jesus as their Messiah, after all, Jesus came to redeem His nation and save Israel as it is written. However, it was revealed to Paul that God interrupted that program until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (Romans 11:25), and only then will God save Israel (Romans 11:26). So the correct sequence is, Israel fell, the Gentiles were grafted in, the Body of Christ is removed from the Earth, the Gentiles who are not taken in the gathering are then cut off from God's grace and enter the time of wrath, and God returns to saving Israel. This is the events of Revelation, the Day of the Lord (Revelation 1:10), where God pour's out wrath upon a world that rejected the free offer of grace.
@@VFXShawn the body of christ was left on earth, that has been aknowleged from the time of Christ in the last supper , what do you think the church is? the repenting jews are regrafted back into the root, with the people of christ, God, Israel
@@joetookmyvideo There was no mention of "the Body of Christ" as a group of believers until Paul. Paul explicitly says the body was a mystery (Ephesians 3), hid in God, but now revealed to us through Paul. The church that Christ left on earth at the Last Supper was the little flock, the kingdom of Israel church, which was to inherit the earth as a nation of priests. That group's mission was to convert their nation back to God to usher in the earthly kingdom, but the nations leaders did not repent. So, at the stoning of Stephen, Israel fell and diminished, and God called a new apostle, Paul, with a mystery; that Paul calls "my gospel" (Romans 16:25), which was not made known in previous ages or to the prophets of Israel; how that through Israel's fall, salvation has now come to the Gentiles (Romans 11:11-12). Once the fullness of the Gentiles comes into this body (Romans 11:25), then God shall return to saving Israel as it was written (Romans 11:26).
There are always wrong/false teachings regardjng a doctrine/subject. Please do not throw away the baby together with the dirty water. E.g. please do not throw away the doctrine of grace just because there are erroneous/heretical teachings about grace.
What is "the doctrine of grace"? Isn't grace just one of the many characteristics of the Kingdom of God (just like mercy, righteousness, faithfulness, peace, joy, love, etc)?
Yes, we do. And that is very clearly taught in God's Word. VERY CLEAR, except from those who want to rob Israel and the prophets of their proclamations.
How do you think we got the canon of scripture in the first place? All of the early church writings had to be scrutinized to determine whether or not it was God breathed. They had a method, (hermeneutical process) to verify it was. As a matter of fact, historical record, Polycarp, bishop of SMYRNA, (1 of the 7 in Revelation) and a disciple of John, the revealtor did not accept the book of Revelation as part of the canon of scripture. Do your homework.
I've heard some bad attempts to refute dispensationalism, but this one might be the worst. Have you ever read the Bible? Have you ever studied church history outside of either the Catholic church perspective or the reformed perspective? If not, I would recommend it. Many works have been produced showing that many in the early church and throughout church history held to forms of what we call dispensationalism. And don't let the word "forms" throw you off. All "Christian" beliefs are seen in forms in the early church. Theology has developed over the centuries to bring us to where we are today.
I was a dispensationalist for over 20 years. It was the theological ethos I was brought up in and nurtured in. I'm sorry you feel this was a poor refutation. I have read the early church fathers and councils thoroughly - I also studied at a dispensational institution - and it is quite clear that *nothing* close to modern dispensationalism was present in the early church. Anyone who believes it was present has a poor grasp of historical theology and the context surrounding such a study. In the least, I would hope that if you truly believe dispensationalism (in forms) was taught in the early church, you would also acknowledge the universal teaching of Christ's real presence in the Eucharist, baptismal regeneration, and the essential structure of the Church as bishops, priests, and deacons. If you reject these universal teachings, I have no reason to believe you are a serious student of the early church.
@@merecatholicity almost everything that is taught today was taught in the early church in some form. Just because it was taught in the early church doesn't mean that it was correct. Anyone who bases their beliefs on the early church fathers are greatly mistaken. The Bible is our final authority. And if the Bible says one thing and the early fathers say something different, then I'm going with the Bible.
@merecatholicity Lee Brainard has done a phenomenal job in researching the early church fathers and their teachings. He has found multiple sources, some of which had not been translated before now, that taught the pretrib rapture of the church. It's a great find that's been almost completely ignored by too many. Now, it's coming to the forefront that those who deny that the pretrib rapture was taught in the early church are completely wrong. As we suspected all along. However, I don't need the early church fathers to decide what correct theology is. I have the Bible.
The Bible that was complied and canonized by the Church led by the Spirit… ironic that you trust that the Spirit led the Church to put together the right books of Scripture, but ignore their authority on everything else.
The early Church? I will follow the Bible, not the early, middle or anytime Church. What Jesus said to those churches early in the Revelation does not promote learning our doctrine form the churches or from church tradition. Bible. Bible. Bible.
Hi Jonah. New subscriber here and just saw this post from last year. I completely 💯 percent agree with your take on this topic. I also wants to note that if this is not a christian theology then in my opinion the traching of Thai system of dispensationalism is blasphemy. It is a system that try to add to what the scripture already telling us. Looking forward to hear more of your discussion on Christianity. God bless.
The IFB church i attend has never said this to my knowledge. But....they do teach dispensationalism and rapture, the confusing distinction between Israel and the church, etc. I'm sure there might be others who do teach it though. Point is, dispensationalism is nothing but confusion! And God is not the Author of confusion. So the conclusion would be that man has once again butchered the Word of God to suit his delusional mind and it has spread like fire. May the Lord keep us sharp and able to discern truth from lies. 🙏
All of these videos use the same misrepresentation of dispensationalism to make their point using little or no scripture. And by scripture I mean the Old and New Testament, not creeds or tradition.
Christianity is so messed up. So many additions made to the Textus Receptus; So many named as Apostles who Jesus says are not. So much dependence on traditions and "orthodoxy" instead of proven and comparative manuscripts. No attempt to undo the modifications made to the Masoretic Text nor any major attempts to stop basing English translations around these corrupted documents. Dispensationalism is just one of many heresies. Get in line.
Wow, so much said and yet you surely must know that most of what you say is absolutely not true. Corrupted documents?....prove it. You can't. As a student of textual criticism your claims are totally baseless but could cause some to doubt.
If you actually read the Bible you will find it to be a fact. Hebrews is a good example and it's found in Genesis and exodus. The bible interprets it self quite well.
The Bible indeed is often it’s best interpreter…which is why, after I began to actually read scripture in context and then compared Scripture with scripture, I abandoned dispensationalism years ago.
I agree with you, brother. I would recommend using scripture rather than creeds to prove your thesis. This is considered one of the weaknesses of our position among dispensationalists. Otherwise, fantastic presentation!
They summarise the faith. And they are biblical (maybe not the filioque). Or does someone read the whole Bible every time someone asks a question about the faith?
@@Dilley_G45”summarize” implies truth. The creeds contradict one another and even themselves at times. People quote them as authoritative. That’s an issue
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So there is no 'time of the Gentiles' or the 'time of Jacob's trouble'?
70ad Israel was trampled and nearly all the Jews were killed or starved except the Christian Jews that fled to the mountains
Well done. When I was in evangelicalism, I was given the impression that this was the only eschatological position the Scriptures taught. Now, as a confessional Lutheran, I know better.
Really? Prove it to me in God's Word.
Sure thing, as soon as you can prove to me that dispensational pre-millennialism was taught by somebody before Darby or Schofield. As soon as you show me who did, show me their charts, and show me that it was a prevalent belief in the early church, then we’ll talk.
Congratulations for joining the true Church
@@Outrider74 silly. Just silly. Your logic is aligned with this video. Explain to me why it is important for a theology to be old. Satan has a theology older than any human's. Is that what you want? Dispensationalism is more recent because they took the time to read the Bible first. That is why the prophecies fit. Because what God put in the Bible was the priority, not trying to agree with Roman Catholic Theology.
@@JosephBoxmeyer Truthfully, this is a very obtuse and intellectually stinted comment. A theology's age has a LOT to do with bearing witness to its truth. If a doctrinal position cannot be found in the early church, or in Scripture itself, we have very, VERY good reason to, at the very least, be suspicious of it.
Couldn’t get past your first argument.
You are essentially saying that the idea isn’t old enough and it doesn’t have enough advocates long enough ago in order to be credible.
I’m still trying to understand what dispensationalism is. But this was not helpful and actually has me questioning the opposite of your opinion because your first argument was so weak.
Hope this helps.
Dispensationalism was late in coming. But that is because those who started dispensationalism first took the time to read the Bible. That makes the difference. Other theological systems don't have room for a rapture or a millennium because they formulated their systems from ignorant traditions or from Aristotelian philosophy, and not from reading the Bible. Covenant Theology is based on the Roman Catholic scholastics concept of one simple thing in history, based on Aristotle's theory. That is why dispensations won't fit. If only they had read the Bible first!!!
One reason that this is significant is that Dispensationalism describes a very specific path to salvation, a path not described by Christ nor promulgated by His Apostles. What can it mean if God has so ordered the world that for eighteen centuries millions lived and died believing they were good Christians but in fact they had been deceived by the Adversary and are burning in hell. Can we put our trust in a God who reveals Himself fully only centuries after His incarnation, and then only to a small population? I dare not presume to judge in this matter, but surely it could be argued that such an arrangement is unfair.
Rather one would expect that Christ himself would provide simple terms of salvation available to anyone -- to be immersed in water and so reborn, to to break bread and drink with Him and thereby to digest and imbibe His being (you are what you eat!), and most of all to have faith, even the smallest degree of faith. By this practice one gives room to the Holy Spirit to operate, hopefully changing one's ways.o
@@JosephBoxmeyerthat's the dumbest argument ever. Pre mil dispensationalism is absolutely unbiblical.
This is basically a sound demolition job on the theology of pre-millennialism/dispensationalism, so well done. BUT...
1. Darby was *not* the originator of dispensationalism. The true originator of modern dispensationalism was the Jesuit, Manuel Lacunza, who around 1785 wrote "The Coming of the Messiah in Glory". The book was initially banned by the Papacy, then unbanned, then translated into several languages. Someone called Edward Irving got fascinated with the book, and translated it in 1827. He then developed Lacunza's ideas at the Albury Conferences, 1830, which Darby attended. When Edward Irving died of stress and overwork in 1834, the ambitious Darby took over the theory, refined it here and there, then promoted it in many countries.
2. You mis-spoke when you said that as believers we will 'become God' in Heaven. NO, we will be exactly as we are now: sons and daughters of God, with resurrection bodies, no more, no less.
3. You have given the impression you are a Catholic with the images of Christ and Mary behind you. I hope you are not a Roman Catholic, which is far worse than being a dispensationalist!
Pre-millenianism, post-millenialism, and a-millenialism are concepts that find their origin in a particular method of biblical interpretation of the book of Revelation that occured in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. Dispensationalism as we know it today is the invention of Darby. Perhaps Lacunza had something to say about this before Darby, but if you read the history of Darby you will discover that he was an extremely cantankerous individual that excommunicated hundreds from his church at the slightest suggestion of disagreement. For this reason Lacunza's theology would necessarily have to match Darby's, and I would be surprised if it did, but it could, but if not Darby would dismiss it out of hand.
You can't demolish God's Word and that is what my dispensation teachings center on....not the irrational stupidity and doubts of men.
A M E N Good research Anthony . Darby was anything but a Christian .
Not at all. Catholic is still way better than any modern heresy.
Icons and a cross aren't wrong. Andnthey don't make you Roman Catholic. He could be orthodox or Lutheran as well. Maybe Anglican. My guess is not Orthodox.
This novel Judeo-centric dispensational movement is perhaps the greatest and most subtle deception of our time. ✔️
What deception? Please explain.
Agreed
Yes, explain what the deception is.
@@JosephBoxmeyer He cannot explain it because it is a figment of his imagination. The truly deception is that of those who fail to hear the whole counsel of God's Word.
@@davidcooper1201I fear that the Lord has imposed a blindness and a hardness upon much of His Church because the outright reject His word. I can see no other explanation for the degree of obstinacy in twisting the Bible. I have lately become depressed over the insistence that God cannot save Jews, that Israel must mean Gentiles.
Yes agreed, dispensationalism is pure heresy. It has done much to damage the Church in modern times.
You can't differentiate between the gospel of kingdom and the gospel of grace. Jesus and his disciples were sent to the Jews and Paul to gentiles.
@@krishnaswami3362 Yes and were made into ONE new man in Christ.
Wrong! Matthew 28:18-20
Christ sends his 11 remaining disciples to ALL the nations
@@kylec8950And Paul was the agent chosen by God to make one body out of two.
@@williamcarr3976Lack of knowledge. The disciples never went out in the whole world. Rather it was Paul who took the Gospel (of grace) in the world.
I unlearned all that in the early 90s, by reading the bible. What a joy to be able to read and learn Gods word with the Holy Spirit guiding me ! Darby fooled a lot of people. The way out of false teaching is to read the bible.
Darby didn't fool and had no intentions of fooling anyone....the "fooled" are those who refuse to be under the whole counsel of God's Word.
Yes , he did. There was Malicious intent for sure
Make sure you test that spirit. if it’s leading you towards an allegorical hermeneutic id be concerned of being on a path towards making God into your own image and calling God a liar.
Spoiler: the church is different than Israel, read Romans 11 again.
Millenium means 1000 years
The time of Jacob’s trouble is specific for a reason
@@Jilly85Amen. I might quit dispensationalism. I just found out that Darby and Scofield were sinners! Next they will be accused of being Roman Catholic priests.
@@JosephBoxmeyer Spoiler alert: We were all sinners.
Thank you. I feel I'm being shunned at my church for not marching in lock step with this stuff!!!!
I hear you. They treat you like you have gone apostate when you even question it let alone reject it!
Same
Just ask them to show it from the Scriptures. They cannot. Yet they preach it as truth.
It's all based on a gross perversion of Daniel 9, where they take the actual Messiah prophecy of the 70th week, and apply it to antichrist instead. Raw blasphemy.
At one time I went through the same thing. Have them watch the TH-cam video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" to show them the original source of the doctrine in black and white. It came from Edward Irving's English translation of a book written by a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza. Irving taught doctrine from the book at the Albury Prophetic conference about 1826. John Nelson Darby taught the doctrine at the Powerscourt Prophetic conference a few years later. Darby became the chief promoter of the doctrine after Irving died during 1834.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the three questions below?
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Dispensationalism has led to the erroneous, bifurcated belief for the people of God, that the church isn't the visible people of God, and mistakenly makes🇮🇱 the visible people of God (a new Replacement Theology).
The major problem about dispensationalism is a lot of evangelicals embrace it but don't know about its origins nor its errors nor the theology itself. Sad. It took me 20 years to unlearn this heresy.
Thank you for calling it heresy. I know a lot of Christian people who won't go that far and call it that, and I think they should because it is heretical.
Better late than never. Some refuse to see the light. You investigated and found truth .Amen. Now we need to expose it to the world to glorify God and slap the devil.
Why? The bible speaks for itself.
@@langleybeliever7789 True, but most don't STUDY it for themselves. They take the word of their favorite rock star preacher, who also didn't study for himself, but was taught dispensational heresy at SEMINARY which sourced it from the corrupt Scofield Bible, which was sourced ultimately from.the jesuit order, which fabricated futurism and preterism to protect their beloved man of sin, the POPE.
@@langleybeliever7789It would speak for itself if you were the original audience which you aren't. It was written to other people but also for our benefit. Not the same thing. That's why we have methods of hermeneutics; we should try to learn the surroundings historical influenced, cultural influences, linguistic influences, etc. You, as a presumably, Western Christian 2000yrs later does not understand Scripture the same way the first few centuries of the church would.
Great video brother. I agree, Dispensationalism is a dangerous position to hold and actually devalues the Gospel.
Dangerous. Really?
@@johno8886 Heresy is dangerous. You're basically saying that everyone can believe different things and some of them might be right, idk, but it's probably fine anyway, right? cuz all ya gotta do is "believe" in Jesus.
The early Church was of one mind. If you tried to say that some other doctrine was true, you were excommunicated and no longer a part of the Church. You can come back into the Church if you repent of your heresy and submit yourself to the teachings of the Church, which are the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. The seven ecumenical councils are infallible and must be believed by Christians. There is only ONE second coming of Christ, not a secret second coming, and then a "real" second coming, and the Old Covenant has passed away and is no longer valid.
How does disp.devalue the gospel? You must be a covenantalist, because you like fiction.
I was raised with this heretical belief and I just assumed it was the standard in most sects and denoms which really pushed me away from considering going to any Church by the time I was 19 for years. Only the last few months years later have I started taking things seriously and have gotten this far in learning it's completely new and man-made uninspired origins. God's mercy is truly infinite, I never thought I'd get specific info on this and would forever be shunned as a conspiracy theorist by family.
2:26 Justin Martyr preaching the pre-millenial reign of Christ. That's pretty much half-way home to a biblical eschatology. Now, when was the last time you and your friends preached I Thessalonians 4:17 for the purpose of comforting as Paul commanded you. Got that? He commanded YOU to preach the Rapture/Resurrection. When are you going to place that Rapture (harmadzo)? Try these: Revelation 20:6: "...they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."
Revelation 5:10: "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." So you think Christ is going to leave the faithful dead (not the Grateful Dead) moldering in the ground during the Millennium, hmm? Seems that Rapture has to be at least Pre-Mil. And since the paragraphs immediately following after the Rapture passage in I Thessalonians 4:17 describe the Tribulation period and state: "We are not appointed to wrath!", don't you think that some dispensationalist ideas are pretty well founded (not to say all). You can apologize to the dispensationalists now. They are fairly certain they will be "kept from the hour."
Correct conclusion. Incorrect reasons for coming to the conclusion. Dispensationalism is false because God’s Word doesn’t teach it. Not because of “orthodoxy”, church fathers or creeds. The church fathers are the Apostles, and their teachings are the New Testament.
I think galatians 2 might disagree that they all fathered the church and that the entire New Testament is directed towards the church. All apostles weren't to the church. Also see Romans 11 especially verse 25.
All apostles weren't dedicated to the church and neither were their messages all for the church.
I agree that we don't follow the early church traditions but don't necessarily agree that this man has come to any correct conclusions.
He also never actually used the Bible to back up any of his claims and refuted it by his claims more than once.
@@JP-ec9rlAll apostles weren't to the church."
Ephesians 4:11-16
11And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ- 16from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
- The Body is the church (Colossians 1:24).
- Unless I've misunderstood, it makes it sound like you are referring to an entirely Gentile church. Before responding to that I'll wait for clarification, but if that is what your'e saying that is false and it is easily shown otherwise.
Amen
Your arguments don't invalidate the arguments you took issue with in the video. The only one I take issue with is the "it's a modern innovation" argument. While that might add to the case for its invalidity, it's not an argument in and of itself. Just because an idea is older or newer does not make it inherently better or worse. Time is relative, and the second Temple Jews basically made the same argument against the early Christians because relative to when they lived, Christianity was a "modern" innovation. It's just not a good argument, but everything else he said was completely valid.
Ah, God's Word doesn't teach anything about a systematic theology. There is nothing false about dispensationalism except in the minds of those who prefer their own systematic study of Scripture. So show me what I believe that is not taught in God's Word and I will be glad to use the Word of God to square away your "doctrine, and reprove you and help you understand more clearly correction in righteousness" (II Timothy 3:16).
Thank you so much for this video, and the others I have not yet watched. I'm sharing with many friends, in hopes they will continue to share with others, so the truth will spread more rapidly than the lie of dispensationalism did. I am in full agreement with what you've said, and have given the same reasons for my viewpoint when trying to explain why I'm not a pretrib/premil believer. Too often, I'm brushed off as being one who has not read my bible! There are some, though, that at least listen, and I've tried to find videos that aren't too lengthy to share with them, as I'm not the best teacher...so thank you for filling that need! I look forward to watching all of your videos, and I pray your viewership grows. God bless you, your family, and your mission to teach truth!
Thank you, Mary. My eschatology playlist will be the easiest way to find my other videos dealing with this area of theology.
May we all continue to grow into a greater unity for the sake of Christ our Lord! Blessings to you!
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy.
It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn.
It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled.
I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders.
It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now.
Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video.
For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse.
That's been my experience thus far.
So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind
Lord help us
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@@wulfclaw4921 I have had these same experiences brother. It's so disheartening at times. I'm in the rural southern US and the only type of churches around me are ones that are dispensational. I can't go to a church that holds to those beliefs because they are obsessed with it, obsessed with modern day Israel being "God's chosen people". They say I don't read my Bible, or don't understand it. Or that I'm anti-Semitic, or a racist. They call me divisive and that I need to get right with God because I am not a dispensationalist. It's all so bizarre. May the Lord open their blind eyes.
I am a recovering "rapture" believer that even wrote a book about it that got published in 2007, but like E.W. Bullinger before me, I recant!
It would be good to follow AA and have "rapture recovery" groups worldwide!
Dispensationalism can get along fine without the pre-trib rapture.
@@JosephBoxmeyer Amen, my brother!
I grew up hearing this theology in church even though I could easily tell that it is not scriptural. I could never follow their stupid charts in the books and the books by Hal Lindsey that I bought out of curiosity were all thrown out with the recyclable newspapers because that is where they belonged.
Prove to me that it is not Scriptural. You can't.
I have not read lindsay. Don't care. But non dispensationalists don't like charts because they require accountability. You can't hide. Imagine a chart produced by people who believe that the thousand years all happened in 70 AD ! Funny. So then where was the tribulation? So the chart would show how Satan was prevented from deception during the destruction of Jerusalem. And Jesus was reigning in peace and justice as Christians were being massacred. I understand why your theology is allergic to charts.
I cannot more agree. Dispensationalism should be resisted with all that we got. It is another gospel.
Explain to me how you read this part of Romans 11:
Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[e] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!
34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”
@@Jilly85 Thanks I will reply as soon as I have a bit of time. However I probably see it the same as you do. God is going to have mercy on Israel. Many is going to turn to Christ.
@@AlbertGlover-mh5su until the fullness of the gentiles comes in… what does that phrase mean?
Dispensationalism is a true biblical Theology. Please read and divide your Bible righthly. 2.Timothy 2,15 !!!
Please watch the video again. Dispensationalism is heresy and leads people astray just like it did to you. Don't fall for it. Look at the cross and Jesus finished work. Not at a 19th century heresy
No where does the NT teach that the church is spiritual Israel. I used to believe that and am familiar with the proofs texts but none of those texts actually teach it.
The millennial temple as described in Ezekiel 40-48 teaches sacrifices which are for forgiveness of sins which is a theocratic forgiveness. It’s not to secure one’s standing before God and justification. It’s not blasphemy at all any more than the sacrifices in the OC accomplished such forgiveness.
The real problem is for people who reject disp theology and have to explain what this temple is. This temple has never existed and God desires its existence. So it is a big allegory of the church? One must have a wild imagination to try and make sense of all the intricate details in those chapters to apply them to the body of Christ.
The True Israel of God.
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Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
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Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
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Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
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Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
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Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
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Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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"if ye be Christ's"
"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Galatians 3:7.
"For they are not all Israel which are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children… but the children of promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:6-8.
"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" Galatians 3:29.
"For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh." Philippians 3:3,
Spiritual and not physical
@@rhondaweber5638 Apples and oranges. Paul is reasoning that true spiritual Israel is SMALLER than physical Israel. Paul is not opening up Israel for Gentiles. Smaller not bigger. Specified, not opened. We are sons of Abraham by faith, not sons of Jacob. Paul would have needed to call us sons of Jacob if he was calling us Spiritual Israel. But he called us sons of Abraham by faith. Not sons of Abraham by Ishmael not sons of Abraham by Isaac. But sons of Abraham BY FAITH.
I don’t need to see what early church “fathers” believed to figure out where I stand in matters of faith. I have a complete Bible in my language, the Word of God and I am told to rightly divide the word. This video is useless.
"I don't need anyone to tell me anything, I know better than 2,000 years of collective wisdom of Christians all around the world, I've got the Holy Spirit guiding me and you don't, I'm the sole authority of what the Bible actually says, I, I, I, me, me, me!!!"
So much arrogance in your comment. Sad.
@@sakamotosan1887 don’t put your faith in men, put your faith in the word of God itself.
We have direct access to God, the veil has been torn, stop believing men. Lean not on your own understanding.
@@shinyadino1926 arrogance is to place man's traditions above God's Word. What is really sad is that you cannot discern this distinction.
It will take generations for this to fade if it ever does.. I started questioning this theology at 9 years old and because of the blow back I got from the adults in my life, I learned early not to trust in men. It did not shake my faith in God, but no one was teaching anything different to me. I gave up on trying to understand the Bible many times when I was younger. Praise God I was being raised in a Christian home at least!
My mother had the really great habit of praying for her children ceaselessly, I found my way out of confusion and to an understanding of how to rightfully digest the word of God. We still debate eschatology sometimes when I don't watch what I say. She's 90, and it's never good to argue with your mother especially when she's this old.. I understand her reluctance to part with the theology, as it is a large part of her identity. It's the same for many others too.
The men who started this, the men who fully understand the theological implications behind what they are teaching are going to be held accountable I believe. I would not want to be in the shoe's of anyone who rejects understanding and truth for self willed sensationalism.
So you believe in covenant theology? I Feel Gods drawing me to learn about this
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 I try to stay away from labeling myself.. Often these dividing distinctions in doctrines revolve around eschatology. Jesus gave us several parables about being ready, he was also clear that even he doesn't know when that last day will be.. It's pretty clear where we are to focus our attention in life according to Jesus. Doctrines of dubious distinction, and it's division are discouraged definitively throughout the entire bible. I'm just trying to stick with Jesus. I encourage everyone to do the same, and to examine the ideas of all men with a spiritual 'ten foot pole'.
Please tell me in short of "the theological implications" of dispensationalism.
@@heatherambassadorforjesusc5072 it might not be God drawing you toward Covenental Theology. First examine Genesis to see where God promised Adam eternal life for success in a trial period of obedience. The Covenant of Works is based on this. But there is no such promise. And basic also is to equate Adam's "law" with the Mosaic law. Supposedly the same! And then Jesus was obligated to obey the law to earn righteousness for us and to earn eternal life for us by law obedience. This is why they need to make up the covenant of works with Adam, with him having both the law and the eternal life promise. And please read Romans three. Righteousness without the law! Righteousness without the works of the law. But the Jesuit Roman Catholic Covenant Theology system denies Romans three and demands that Jesus earn righteousness and eternal life for us BY LAW WORKS! They reject "righteousness without the law". Jesuits. Anti-Christ theology.
To believe in dispensations is to believe the gospel itself. "What is, what was, what will be again" the "alpha and the omega". .
But the doctrine of dispensationalism the way its taught is the latter days doctrine of demons spoken about in the book of Timothy. Because what it does is make two paths. One for the Jew, one for the church. It turns the church into the "side chick" for God, and focuses everything on the Jewish law, calendars, feasts, ect. Because the doctrine itself agrees with the pharisee that Jesus spoke with 2000 years ago. . "We have Abraham as our Father". So i argue that to follow the doctrine of dispensationalism as it is mainstream taught, one cannot be a Christian as they deny the first coming of Jesus by agreeing with the pharisee that the blood of Abraham is sufficient. "Believe in Jesus and be saved" but also "claim to be a Jew living in Israel by flesh and God is going to save you anyway". It's a denial of the free will, the loosened chains that Christ purchased on the cross. The denial that it is his blood shed which made children of Abraham, not nepotism of flesh. They cannot be a Christian, because they deny Jesus and his first coming. They are actually by their deeds and understanding. . Jews themselves. As they deny Christ was the messiah.
"Their lips speak of his name but their hearts are far from him"
Exactly. They have Christian idolizing "Israel," an antichrist state. And they don't even realize THEY, as believers, are God's Israel.
Recognizing everything that can be said about Gary Demar, his description of "clearing the theological chessboard" with regard to dispensationalism is 100% accurate. The system requires certain pieces glued to certain spots that they could not reach on their own, and everything else has to move around them. You cannot start from scratch and derive dispensationalism from the Bible without presupposing it
So true.
I would like an example or two. If God is on His King square, I will not be the one to move Him. Do you resent that He is glued there? What does God say in the Bible that you don't like? Where does Dispensationalism voice dislike with what God has declared? What pieces do we glue to spots that they would not get to on their own? I do not understand what your chess analogy wants to say. I fought against dispensationalism when it was new to me. I had to start from scratch fighting it point by point. I became one. Covenant Theology, needs to be taught because it is fictional. For example the covenant of works with Adam is supposed to be in Genesis 2:16-17. But WHERE is the law? Where is the promise of righteousness and eternal life for Adam and his descendants if he obeyed? And please explain how "that law continued to be perfect rule of righteousness" for his descendants? Difficult when the Garden was locked and guarded and access to that tree was impossible. All made up. Fiction.
@@JosephBoxmeyer It's not my analogy, and the analogy is about how we do hermeneutics and derive theology. The analogy isn't as deep as pinning specific theologies to a specific piece. The point is that things like "the rapture", "the Antichrist", the Church not yet being part of the New Covenant, etc are assumed and can't be questioned. It's **like** the C1 Bishop (white, left side) being glued to C4 and we then have to play (interpret the Bible) without moving it
Great video Jonah, I love what you are doing with your channel and I am so thankful that I do not consider myself a dispensationalist anymore as I used to, I am now more partial preterist, post millennialist, and whatever else one might label my view of eschatology.
Nonsense lol
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
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Amen brother a thousand times and thank you and again thank you
Dispensationalism leads to the denial of the New Covenant.
Bingo. God’s chosen are not actually chosen, but he who chooses to believe and obey the word of God, and ye shall be called the children of God. It is not about ethnicity as that was proven when God asked Esau first if he would obey the Torah and be His ppl, he rejected. Abraham decided to accept. The new covenant supersedes the old covenant which the Jewish ppl rejected as explained in the book of Malachi.
Absolutely! ✔️
The following proves you are correct.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8, 3:16.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the word “remnant” in Romans 9:27, with the word “nation”?
6. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
7. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
8. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
9. Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
10. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
11. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
stupid. I am a dispensationalist and I do not deny the New Covenant. You misrepresent what Dispensationalism is all about.
How true!
More than this, I think the popularization of dispensationalism has played a huge role in the shifting of Christian thinking that has allowed the decline of Western civilization. It's not the sole culprit, by any means, but it's one side of the larger problem that I think far too few people recognize as part of the problem. Many of the implications of dispensationalism incentivize a very insular and defeatist mindset about the world and the Christian's role in it which has caused much of Christianity to neglect its essential role as salt and light, which has created a cultural vacuum that has been filled by a lot of nefarious, destructive, and subversive secular ideologies, especially since the 1960s and 70s. I grew up in this sort of environment, and I love many of the people that often unconsciously subscribe to it (and many who are diehard proponents), but I have really grown to despise a lot about this worldview and what it has done to society, and I'm still trying to learn about other Christian perspectives to find areas in which I still need to reform my own thinking. The fact that I discovered that there was so much more beyond the confines of what I knew played a big role in saving my faith.
Yeah it lends itself to “I can sin cause o grace”
Sounds like you could be J.W., R.C., LDS, SDA they are all grace rejecting. You are BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS , PART OF HIS BODY.
The bible says your faith is counted for righteousness.
Exactly. It has people blessing antichrist synagogue of satan over in the occupied state of Palestine. If it weren't for dispensationalists rooting for the people falsely called Isreal, they wouldn't be stealing all our money, weapons and they wouldn't be allowed to commit genocide!
A defeatist mindset. Probably communism too. You really seem to be clueless about dispensationalism. But that is understandable if you learn what you know from teachers such as this.
you speak without referring to scripture
One thing I noticed about this video is that you aren't arguing against the ideas of dispensational hermeneutics ( not once did you argue against it using scripture but just said because this elite group (encumenical councils) denies literal interpretation and allegorical interpretation thus its not Christian.
Its weak argumentation.
Its an appeal to authority.
Its fallacious.
Do better
Good insights. Another disturbing phenomenon that arose in the late 20th century is the Ruckmanite sect of King James Onlyism, who piggybacked onto this by taking 2 Tim. 2:15 (rightly 'dividing') as THE key to unlocking a proper understanding of "dispensations", without which they claim that we'll make a mess of so much of scripture. It's quite a sectarian "special knowledge" position. They belittle anyone who disagrees with them.
🤓The death knell of Dispensationalism is inter alia located in the 1917 Scofield "Bible" at Scofield's commentary on John 1:17, to wit:
"...As a dispensation, grace begins with the death and resurrection of Christ ... The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ..."
but what does God say in Romans 4:8 "...for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness..." hence Abraham was saved by the grace of God through the faith of Jesus Christ [Romans 3:22 LXX] - for the Law was not only given to Moses AFTER Abraham's death [except if you take the 1st law as obedience to God, Gen 2:16&17] but alas there is no salvation but through Jesus Christ - Acts 4:12. And we all know Abe was a sinner; lying and scheming.
Wow. I am brushed off as if I don't read my bible also. I have known salvation through Jesus since I was a young boy.
It is not a kind way I have been treated by those who claim dispensationalism. In Christ we are to love one another, not seek to condemn.
It has gotten so bad that I was looked on as a heathen or non believer, even called demon ruled.
I researched the back ground of these men who derived the theology from a woman who supposedly spoke in tongues yet she had no interpreter and from there it grew. Further the criminal and occultic back grounds of several of the men who built it up was very disturbing to me. Seances, ocult practices, the most haunted place in the country was one of the see mens familys home. Apptox 260 human sketons removed from the walls. Ties to the free masons. Criminal records of another of the founders.
It just seems that there is so much evidence against this being Gods will, but the most bothersome to me, is the equation of Paul to Jesus Christ and a second gospel believed to be the gospel of Paul. The seperation of 7 time applications throuhout the Bible. It is as if what Paul wrote was the main purpose of the Bible and pertains particularly to right now.
Sadly, I have exhausted even attempting to try and be heard, including asking them to view videos like this one. Yet a double standard arises when I am expected to " keep an open mind" and view a pro Disp. Video.
For now, it has caused an unequal yoke. I am met with arrogance and worse.
That's been my experience thus far.
So, I leave it to God in prayer. I recall the words that some will be left to reprobate mind
Lord help us
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I wouldn't say that you're an unbeliever or anything like that. Just that you're a bit dramatic.
I mean it's denominational theology. It wasn't exactly pretty between the apostles themselves in galatians chapter 2. Why would you expect it to be different now?
There are lots of lies told about dispensationalism. For example, they say that Darby got his pre-trib lation rapture from a crazy girl's dream.. Actually that cannot be true because the dream that she saw was an ANTI- pre trib rapture. And they talk about dispensationalism being invented by a Jesuit. Another lie. I have read most of that book myself, I have challenged these guys. They cannot show me ANYTHING in the book that is dispensational. NOTHING!! I suspect that all of those stories are equally slander. Lies.
Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Collosians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
You are right, Dispensationalism is not a theology. It is just acknowledging God worked in man differently throughout the course of history. I am open to criticism, but the things you say about dispensationalism in the first minute and a half are not true, just repeating talking points that have been corrected a long time ago. Those in this comment thread who call it heresy might want to consider the true definition of heresy: is acknowledging God had differnt economies throughout scripture leading people away from the gospel? Is having a differnt end time beleif leading people into unbelief? Are John MacArthur, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, J Vernon Mcgee and the majority of conservative radio preachers throughout the last hundred years all heretics? Are they going to hell? Is your theology 100% true? Does everyone in your theology camp beleive exactly the same or are they heretics too when they disagree with you? Be careful. 1 Corinthians 1 and 2 has a stark warning against that rhetoric. Paul says you are being carnal.
@11 min. That man might BECOME GOD?? Oh, well sure. If SAINT Athananasius says so. Hey, maybe we are Mormons. I don't give a hoot what SAINTS or councils have said. I have my Bible. And we do NOT ever BECOME GOD.
I'm largely with you--especially as touching the modern heresy of the pre-trib rapture--but you seem to deny the literal earthly physical thousand-year reign of Christ, so clearly laid out in substance and sequence in Revelation 20 (and 21).
My standard and protocol is simple: Scripture always takes precedence, even over Orthodoxy, where it departs from Scripture.
Careful - it is not a salvation issue - Isnt there enough division in the Body of Christ without adding to it. The Lord commands the blessing where there is unity with the brethren. Division = no blessing. Pre, Mid Post Trib, Pre Mid post rapture, amillenialism, preterist + - take your pic. Again not salvation issues.
Nicene creed vs the Bible. Who wins?
Don’t trust the “wisdom” of men!
Rapture is the harpazo. It’s Biblical!!
By “Orthodoxy” you mean what men think… lean not on your own understanding.
Gnosticism is a secret knowledge not whatever you just described. Dispensation have a very reasonable view for the rapture, rapture in the Latin and Harpazo in the Greek it means to be snatched up it also goes back to the details of a Galilean wedding, which is what Jesus is describing when he’s telling the disciples about this actual thing And to do with Enoch and how he was raptured before the flood where Noah was preserved through it. How lot was ruptured from Sodom before its destruction. And Daniel was raptured from the picture before his friends were preserved through the fire. Not to mention that the book of revelation says very clearly in ch 4 what happens after the bema seat (Christians) in heaven occurs. it clearly lays out a before and after. But covenant theology, churches just don’t read that book very closely or at all.
The only book to offer up a blessing to the reader who understands it and the primary message I got from my covenant theology friends is - “There’s no use spending time there. You can’t really understand it.” Sad..
Here's a thought. Jesus came as the Jewish Messiah .. yet, the Jewish hierarchy rejected him. If there is no future for Israel, then Jesus failed at His mission. Yet, it is impossible for God to fail at anything. No, God is not finished with the Jewish people. Oh, the 3rd temple will be a house of prayer (as Jesus stated) ... "sacrificial prayer" in its ability to do as Jesus did, that is the perfect demonstration of obedience. Thank you, your video is earnest and well-stated. God bless you, brother.
I agree. Dispensationalism is not an exegetically valid doctrine, and is often defended by its adherents through disingenuous arguments and gaslighting.
@josephboxmyer. Since I am either blocked from responding to you directly, or TH-cam is censoring me, I will have to amend my OP.
Red herrings and trying to put words in my mouth are dishonest attempts at gaslighting. Or, do you not know what dispensationalism is? A person doesn't have to be a dispensationalist to believe in a literal thousand years reign of Christ. Your attempt to use that as a proof is irrelevant since the difference there is about whether a person is an amillenialist, or a postmillenialist, or a premillennialist. You demonstrate your ignorance by trying to use a straw man fallacy here and put words in my mouth, as well as equivocating on what dispensationalism actually teaches.
You also avoid the gap theories I mentioned and equivocate on what I am referring to as "esoteric," as well as equivocating on when I said, "In some instances it is not even literal," by somehow assuming that I said in all instances. I would agree with a literal interpretation of the millennial reign, and a literal reading of 1 Thess. 4. The disagreement on 1 Thess. 4, is about when it occurs, and that it is not the pre-trib rapture of dispensationalism.
It is a secret if it is an unexpected surprise as taught by dispensationalists. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Left Behind Books and movie where people just suddenly disappear from the earth?
1 Thess. 4 (there is no rapture in ch. 2) is the rapture at the second coming of Christ after the tribulation. The secret rapture of dispensationalism is the pre-trib rapture. There is nothing in 1 Thess. 4, that says it occurs before the tribulation. On the contrary, it says, "we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord." If you believe in a pre-trib rapture you don't "remain unto the coming of the Lord" when the resurrection occurs. Instead, in the pre-trib rapture you are raptured out before the coming of the Lord and before the resurrection of the dead in Christ.
Rev. 14. 1 has Jesus on mount Sinai with the 144,000, "the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb." who were raised with him in Matt. 27. 52, and who are the first fruits because Jesus is the first fruits in 1 Cor. 15. 23. If you are raptured after the resurrection of Jesus, you are not the first fruits of the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel. 1 Cor. 15. 23, "Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." After what? After the firstfruits. When? At his coming to reign on earth for a thousand years. (Even if you disagree with me about when the 144,000 are/were resurrected, if anyone gets raptured or resurrected before the tribulation it is the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel because they are the first fruits, and as first fruits they precede the gentile church.
There is only one 2nd "coming" of Christ. With a pre-trib rapture occurring before the tribulation you are being raptured out before the 2nd coming when the millennial reign begins. Thus, the pre-trib rapture is not a "remaining unto the coming of the Lord." You haven't endured to the end. In 1 Thess. 4. 14, Jesus brings the dead with him, because they shall rise first, v. 16. For this to be a pre-trib rapture the first resurrection in Rev. 20. 5-6, would have to be a second resurrection, and the pre-trib rapture would be a 2nd coming with Jesus coming before the millennial reign being a 3rd coming. There are the "first fruits" that took place when Jesus resurrected. Then the first resurrection of believers when Jesus returns. Rev. 20. 6. Then the second resurrection where those who are judged according to their works and whose names are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, Rev. 20. 12-15. If 1 Thess. 4, is a "coming of the Lord" and a resurrection and rapture that precedes the tribulation, then there must be two of these events, one before the tribulation and one after the tribulation when Jesus returns to resurrect the dead and transform the living, 1 Cor. 15:51-2, and begin his millennial reign. The wrath of God begins with the 7 bowl/vial judgements. The period before that is the tribulation.
The gap theory used by dispensationalists between Dan. 9. 26 and Dan. 9. 27, to explain the church age and then a return to the Mosaic law for the last 7 years of the tribulation is also "esoteric" since it is not literally there in Dan. 9. 26-27. The dispensationalist's claim that the tribulation is a 7 year period relies upon the esoteric gap between Dan. 9. 26 and 27, since the only period of time mentioned in Revelation are 3 1/2 year periods that dispensationalists assume are two different 3 1/2 year periods to make it conform to their interpretation of Dan. 9. 26-27. But there is no mention of a 7 year period in Revelation. Nor any mention of the events in Revelation being the last week, or 70th week of Daniel.
If you are a Scofield dispensationalist, then there is also a mythological, or "esoteric" gap between Gen. 1. 1, and Gen. 1. 2, that is not literally there.
As for the chosen people, I don't need a wizard unless you consider Paul a wizard. Gal. 3. 16, "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." ... (29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Jesus is the heir of Abraham. Jesus is the "true vine." John 15. 1. And, "No man cometh to the Father, but by me." John 14. 6. Not even the genetic descendants of Abraham. John 8. 37, "I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you." Their salvation is through Jesus Christ just like it is for everyone else. John 8. 47, "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not God's."
Paul is explaining in Rom. 11. 20, that they were broken off because of "unbelief." But, they can be graffed back in if they accept Jesus Christ as their savior. Rom. 11. 23, "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."
Their presence in the land was always conditional. Only Jesus Christ is the true heir of the promises given to Abraham.
Deut. 28. 63, "And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whether thou goest to possess it. And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from one end of the earth unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone."
Matt. 21. 43, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof."
Matt. 23. 38, "Behold, your house is left to you desolate."
Isaiah 65. 15, "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name."
1 Thess. 2. 14-16, "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the dg*ews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost."
Ignatius A.D. 30-107, Epistle to the Magnesians, ch. 10: "Let us therefore prove ourselves worthy of that name which we have received. For whosoever is called by any other name besides this, he is not of God; for he has not received the prophecy which speaks thus concerning us: "The people shall be called by a new name, which the Lord shall name them, and shall be a holy people. This was first fulfilled in Syria; for "the disciples were called Christians at Antioch," when Paul and Peter were laying the foundations of the Church."
Isaiah 66. 7-8, "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child (Rev. 12. 5-6). Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."
1 Peter 2. 9-10, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shee forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."
The people calling themselves Israel are apostates in rebellion against God. Ask any true Orthodox dg*ew. They oppose the modern state of Israel and protest against it.
If God did not allow the Hebrews to enter the promised land because of their unbelief, so that they wandered in the wilderness for forty years; and promised root them out of the land in Deut. 28. 63-64; Deut. 29. 27-28; then why would he allow the descendants of these same hardnecked people to enter the land as a secular, apostate, people? Is God a double-minded hypocrite? I think not. Even if they are the genetic descendants of Abraham, they are imposters and not the chosen people of God as long as they are in unbelief. They are the people of the antichrist. Not all. Many are deceived like Christian Zionists are deceived, as Jesus prophesied in Matt. 24. 10-12, 24.
Lastly, your reference to Catholicism is just another straw man fallacy.
Dispensationalism before Darby: Seventeenth-Century and Eighteenth-Century English Apocalypticism
by William C. Watson
Yes I agree that the Pre tribulation rapture is a Darby fantasy. But it is not as blasphemous as the more the 30 + heresies and man created myths of the Roman Catholic Church. For example:- purgatory, transubstantiation, Mary worship [i.e. goddess worship.] If you reject Christ's rule on earth or Satan's imprisonment and eventual short release you might as well throw Revelations and much of Paul's teaching and writings in the garbage bin.
The good news is that YOU ARE A SAINT IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. so if you are right about your theology or wrong...Jesus died for you that you might be saved. amen.
Pretty disingenuous assessment of dispensationalism followed by some heavy condemnation. Still trying to find my way theologically, but definitely sensing a theological echo chamber in this video.
What does saving faith have to do with our eschatological views/interpretations?
My view is that anyone who teaches the last things with certainty is caught up in their own pride.
“…So that man might become God?” Seriously? Mormon/Satan much?
Jesus didn’t make us God. He made us sons and daughters, kings and priests.
To get to the truth one must listen to both sides and the Scriptures they use to support their view- and i do mean a thorough study and comparison of scripture. One view always sounds convincing until its cross- examined by another but it's the one that is backed up and supported by Gods Word. Be careful what you deem as being heretical- you just might be wrong.
His kingdom will have no end. But His kingdom is shorter than one thousand years. So you insist on the inerrancy of the councils, creeds, and confessions? But all of the confessions? Do you believe in the Divine authorship and inerrancy of the Westminster Confession? I do not believe in this for any of the confessions or creeds. And, be honest, do you see the necessity for the Reformation? If yes, then wouldn't the councils, creeds, and confessions have solved all of the issues? Perhaps there are many doctrinal issues which official Church declarations never spoke to. Is truth limited to what has been declared officially? Was the Trinity not true until a Church council declared it to be true? Any Bible text which was Holy Spirit inspired, was it not in God's Bible until officially recognized by "canonization" by a Church council? True truth is true regardless of whether officially recognized.
Thank you for sharing your insight. The resurrection of “sacrificial” practices sounds like a reintroduction of occult practices. They will start with animals and then move to “people” to atone your/their corporeal sins. I hope two things are revealed about these occultist/deceivers: 1) they practice human sacrifices to a demonic god, and 2) Zionists are descendants of Canaan who are known for human sacrifices. 3) the deceivers hijacked the interpretation of the “end times” to suit their perverse needs.
The crowning achievement of dispensationalism is to reverse anything, Jesus said.
But Jesus did say that the heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall by no means pass away , in 21 verse 33.
If you want to see dispensationalism at its peak, go watch Hope For Our Times and Wretched Watchman, I used to follow these guys religiously until I discovered the Catholic Church and did just the slightest bit of research. Now those two guys are nothing more than a good update on the news that’s going on around the world lol
Beware of Paganism in Christianity that leads the real believers away from the truth. The truth is in Jeremiah, new covenant is Torah on our heats. What is Torah? Ask Yeshua and He already answered.
Dispensationalism is nothing more the the literal gramatical understanding of the prophecies. The argument that it is new is not a strong one. Because the traditional Church lost the basic teaching of salvation by grace for most of its history.
The problem is that everyone needs a "system" or label. Why not just call yourself a Christian and be done with labels such as "reformed" or "Calvinist"?
I just want to understand !! do you believe the gospel preached before anyone on this earth knew about the death burial and resurrection is the exact same as the gospel that includes and centers around the death burial and resurrection ? is that what your telling me ! ? matt 4:23 and matt 9:35 are the exact same as romans 10:9 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ,
hmmmmm trust in the resurrection , or no resurrection ! same ??different??? get real !!!! saved by the blood before the blood was shed ! same??? covered and washed in the blood before any one knew he was going to die !!! your better than that!! its your pride and ego that cant grasp this!!!
Part 1/2 I can appreciate people's various opinions on Eschatology. What I don't particularly like is when someone who is ignorant of the things they claim, then comes to a conclusion like this video does.
I am not here to attack this person. I have no clue who he is, but he clearly doesn't understand the topic, which makes it problematic. He's also convinced while not understanding the topic that he's right. We can disagree but he's not well educated on the topic.
Just because we have questions that we struggle with doesn't mean that something is false.
So did the early Christians talk about dispensational topics? Yes. Now whether or not they are true these ideas did NOT begin with Darby.
A rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem AFTER 70AD
Barnabas - (First Century) “You can perceive that their hope is vain. Furthermore, the Lord said, ‘Behold, they who destroy this temple, even they will again build it up once more.’ This prophecy was fulfilled because the Jews went to war against their enemy. But even though they are now no more than servants to Rome, they will return and rebuild the temple. It was revealed that the city of Jerusalem, the temple, and the people of Israel were to be given up.” Epistle of Barnabas 16:5-7
Irenaeus (about 180 AD) wrote his 5 volume work called “Against Heresies” “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25
Hippolytus (170-235AD): On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "...And after that he (Antichrist) will build the temple in Jerusalem (notice a literal building), and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away."
Notice in the references to the 70th week of the final 7 years.
Irenaeus- The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months..." Against Heresies 5:25
Hippolytus- For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away."
Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist"
"Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week (7 years), therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half (1,260 days = 3.5 years). For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8
Thousand-year reign of Jesus,
Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9
Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28
Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80
Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1
Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81
Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6
The Rapture-
Church father Irenaeus 180AD wrote “Against Heresies”: “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” Irenaeus “Against Heresies 5.29
Ephrem 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD
Lactantius in the second century between 100-200AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 is when "the Church shall be taken away”
Victorinus a bishop who lived in 240AD (martyred 304AD) also wrote "And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up, for the heaven to be rolled away, that is, the Church shall be taken away. And the mountain and the islands removed from their places..."
So as you can see whether we disagree or not these ideas were NOT invented by Darby.
(Continued in Part 2).
Part 2/2 The problem with Christians today and many factions in the past is that they are under the false impression the world revolves around them. Yes, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus, but we are also very sinful and our sins have caused immense problems including biblical ignorance around the world.
The biggest error is that Christians read Scripture as if it all pertains to them, instead of the world. Christians claim Jesus was the final sacrifice, yes if you receive Him as Lord and Savior. If you are His because of faith in Jesus then there is no need for another sacrifice, but most of the world is not saved and so when things begin to unfold people will come to Jerusalem to worship the GOD of Israel still ignorant that it's Jesus.
Revelation 11:1-2 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
...11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And [e]they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people- 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
Very few Christians can ever give me an answer of why Scripture says that the everlasting Gospel is "“Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
No mention of Jesus, or forgiveness of sins, etc.
Sacrifices will be instituted again because the world will worship the GOD of Israel.
Ezekiel 37:21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 38:18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great [e]earthquake in the land of Israel, 20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’ 21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.” ’
Will the sacrifices save them? No. But it will cover their sins and as things move along in the timeline the knowledge of Jesus will enter the global human consciousness.
First, there is a belief in GOD and then there will be a belief in Jesus. This same principle applies to all in the millennial kingdom who don't believe by faith.
Zechariah 14: 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.
When Jesus comes back people will have kids and those kids will grow into adults over the 1000 years to where there will be many who don't believe in who Jesus is.
Rev 20: 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
So after Jesus has reigned for 1000 years with a population of people who are believers needing no sacrifice and non-believers needing a sacrifice to cover their sins. Satan will be released to gather the non-believers who want to go to war against the LORD. Then He will wipe them out and commence Judgment Day.
Rev 20: 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
Another mistake Christians have made is that the LORD owns the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem.
Genesis 15:18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants, I have given this land,..." (Ownership)
Leviticus 25:1-2 And the Lord spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give you,..." (Ownership) Verse 23 ‘The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me." ("The land is Mine"- Ownership) The word "Sojourners" means guest, visitor, someone who has no claim of ownership.
2 Chronicles 6:5-6 5 ‘Since the day that I brought My people out of the land of Egypt, I have chosen no city from any tribe of Israel in which to build a house, that My name might be there, nor did I choose any man to be a ruler over My people Israel. 6 Yet I have chosen Jerusalem, that My name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel.’ (My Name may be there"- Ownership)
Joel 3:1-2 “For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. ("My Land"- Ownership)
Isaiah 45:3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me. 5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me,"
Psalm 121:4 Behold, He who keeps Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
The question as Christians we need to ask ourselves isn't whether we agree with all of Israel's decisions or not. We need to ask "When did the LORD relinquish His claim of ownership over the Land of Israel and the City of Jerusalem?" Answer: NEVER. The second question is why after 1800+ years has the LORD (Owner of the land and Jerusalem) allowed the Jewish people back into the Land? Simple, He said He would. Ezekiel 37:21-23, Jeremiah 24:3-8, Mark 13:28-30.
Everything is right on schedule according to Scripture. "All these things must come to pass". It's sad to me how biblically illiterate Christians have become that even before they understand the biblical narrative that is playing out in front of us in real-time, they call it heresy out of ignorance.
You seem to be very passionate. But you spend a lot of time talking about orthodoxy.And creeds rather than points of scripture that you disagree with. You also say that you would never get dispensationalism by simply reading this text. But I could equally say that of coven intelligent which is the main opposite view. So far all I get is that since it's new it must be wrong. If that is correct then the church's condemnation of slavery which is also a very recent is also wrong. You see we're using ancient views as restandered is a problem. The standard is scripture itself. And the plain reading of scripture without inserting antitematism or ancient orthodoxy would not arrive at covenant theology but would arrive at something else. My suggestion is that you would come up with some version of dispensationalism but not necessarily all of you that you seem to have a problem with.
So what about the thousand year reign of Jesus in Revelation 20;
Present church age. Time between advents.
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
@noway5378 couldn't be more anti biblical
We are most definitely not living in the Kingdom of God.
Physical Kingdoms have a physical King
His name is Jesus. He is coming soon.
The prayer, thy kingdom COME thy will be done on EARTH.
This is a FUTURE event. Do you really think God's will is being done?
The 1000 year reign is REAL and accurate to the second. It is NOT a figure of speech.
It starts SOON.
@@boldbeliever52 Dude, nobody here believes that mess any longer. We've been delivered from that deception & heresy. I know you mean well, but you are believing false man-made doctrine. Research the origins of it.
@@boldbeliever52 So you are saying that Jesus has to be physically on this earth in order to be King even though He already declared that He has ALL authority in heaven and on the earth? Was God physically present when He declared that He was Israel's king in Exodus 19:5-6--"IF you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant (then) you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples...and you shall be to me a KINGDOM of priests and a holy nation." (Note--a conditional covenant--"if, then")
In the Exodus passage above, the Israelites were only 3 months out from leaving Egypt and they were still wandering around in the desert. So, God made them a KINGDOM even though they had no "official" land boundaries.
In the NT, Peter declared those who are obedient to King Jesus' commands "are a chosen race, a ROYAL (as pertaining to a King) priesthood, a holy nation..." Notice that this is in the present tense, not a future tense. It's also similar to what God declared back in Exodus above but applying it to the Church. John, after declaring that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on the earth" (Rev 1:5), goes on to say to the King's followers that He "made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father..." (Rev 1:6). What tense is this--past, present, or future?
If despensations are not Christian theology why is it mentioned 4 times in your KJV Bible?
The Bible teaches that this world is darkness and corrupt and rejected by God. My kingdom is not of this world is a direct quote. They that are in the flesh cannot please God is another quote. The children of the flesh are not the children of God a quote. God is a Spirit are all reality.
With all due respect, Brother, I don’t think you are being fully honest here. Please correct me if I’m wrong. At just past the 6:00 mark, you claim that “All of the scriptures that they appeal to, that they think teach a millennium temple, a millennial kingdom temple, all speak of sacrifices as an atonement.” Yet, strangely enough, the words “atone” or “atonement” don’t appear in Ezekiel 40 through 48. In fact, those words aren’t in the entire book of Ezekiel at all. So neither dispensationalists nor the Bible speak of these offerings as atoning or atonement. So did you misspeak there?
THEN, following that, you claim dispensationalists have to change, allegorize or deny the language of the text to come up with the idea they are memorial sacrifices. But we just saw the words “atone” or “atonement” aren’t in there. So dispensationalists don’t change, allegorize or deny anything here, do they?
FINALLY, you go on to claim, “We have to take the animal sacrifices in there as atonement.” YOU - YOU - YOU are the one that changes or denies the scripture by inserting the word “atonement.” So you do EXACTLY what you falsely accuse the dispensationalists of doing. Help me out here: Is that called irony or hypocrisy? ; )
When I referred to atonement, I was speaking of the word חַטָּאת used throughout chapters 40-48 to speak of animals offered as "sin offerings." The word חַטָּאת means expiation or atonement.
When seeking to critique someone's exegesis of a passage, it is always good to look at the original language and not just the English translation. If you had done that, you would note that the word atonement is present as I pointed out above.
That being said, I do appreciate the comment and your desire to hold people to what it is they are communicating about Scripture!
Thank you for that very quick response.
While “sin offering” and other offerings are mentioned in Ezekiel 40 through 48, it still does not explicitly say it is for an “atonement,” as it does in many other places, i.e., Ex 29:33, Ex 29:36, Lev 1:4, and dozens of others. So while the offering is mentioned, it does not “all speak of sacrifices as an atonement,” as you claimed. See the examples just given, where they actually DO speak of sacrifices as an atonement.
But that is a minor issue compared to 1) when you think Ezekiel 40 - 48 actually happens, or, if you allegorize or spiritualize it away, as I suspect, what it does refer to (I mean, there’s a LOT of detail given in there for just a spiritual teaching); and 2) your willingness to accept and follow political creeds and Roman Catholic “orthodoxy” over the Bible. By following creeds and confessions instead of studying and rightly dividing the word of truth, as commanded in II Timothy, “have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.” (Matt 15:6) Why would someone settle for mere traditions, like the Pharisees in Matt 15, when they could read and study God’s actual word?
Maranatha. : )
@@hereticus40 Seems you are simply trying to avoid the actual definition of the word. I clearly pointed out that the English words "sin offering" are translated from the Hebrew word which means "atonement" or "expiation." English translations do not reveal the depth of the biblical language. You can push back on this all you want, but scholars from all sides of the debate are in agreement with me-including dispensational ones!
Who said Ezekiel 40-48 is a "spiritual" teaching? What a shallow way to understand and engage Old Testament prophecy! One does not have to believe that God's plan of redemption must regress back to a sacrificial system in a temple to take Ezekiel very very seriously.
Finally, your last point is a strawman. I don't follow the Creeds of the Church (all Protestants historically believe them too) over and against Scripture. I hold them as affirmations regarding the truth of Scripture. The Church is, afterall, the pillar and foundation of truth, according to Scripture!
It seems you have an incredibly shallow understanding of the Church and its authority, opting instead for your own authority as the supreme Pope. You do realize that if you ignore the Church-which you clearly say you do-trading instead for the Bible, what you are really doing is trading the community to which God gave the Scriptures, and opting to instead elevate yourself as the sole source of authority-since you are the one interpreting Scripture.
@@merecatholicity the veil has been torn, we have direct access to God. We can read the scriptures and they make sense. God is a god of clarity. Look at how messed up the Catholic Church has been for centuries, why not trust them? Do you critique Martin Luther in the same way? The church is all believers everywhere, the bride of Christ. It’s not the 501x3 tax exempt organization you’re thinking of. There is no pope or prophet giving us new scripture revelation today. We have plenty of false prophets though..
Israel is the synagogue of Satan best case scenario, the actual real Jews 2000 years ago were that and the fake Jew Rothschild banker deep state military industrial complex are probably even worse
To be clear I don't categorize myself as a dispensationalist or covenant theorist. I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and I believe that God is outside of time who does things in the fullness of time, is a covenant making and Covenant keeping God.
I do want to note some verses for you to investigate. Ephesians 1:10 that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ both which are in heaven and which are on the earth even in him. 3:2 if you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward. ... it's just a funny but dispensation is actually found there :)
A literal catching away of the saints is biblical or John 14;1-3 would have to be false...Jesus is promising in that scripture that if he goes away that he will come again and (receive) us unto himself... that where he is that we may also be. That's 1. Coming again 2. To receive us 3. Unto Himself 4. That (where He is) 5. We may also be. Those are the words of Jesus and some of us take those words to Heart :)
Isaiah 26:19-21 your dead men shall live together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing you that dwell in the dust for your dew is as the dew of the herbs and the Earth shall cast out the Dead. Come my people enter into your Chambers and shut your doors, hide yourself as it were for a little moment until the indignation be overpast. For behold the Lord comes out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity the Earth also shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain. This passage of scripture clearly parallels with 1st Thessalonians chapter 4:15-18 and 1st Corinthians chapter 15:50-57 Revelation 3:10
So it's no secret :)
Revelation 20:4 and I saw Thrones and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God and which had not worship the Beast neither his image neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they LIVED and REIGNED WITH CHRIST FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED.
I don't think I need to add anything to that that's pretty clear but there is a rule and reign of Christ for 1000 years immediately following the tribulation.
Just listening to your teaching it's apparent to me that you need to re-read Romans chapter 1 to understand that there are consequences that are going to be the match and judgement will be executed through the Lord Jesus Christ Rev 5:9-10 Also please read 2nd Peter 3 again and re-evaluate what "reserved for fire" just might be implying.
Thanks
Didn’t Jesus say “My Kingdom is not of this world”?
Read Acts 1.....Jesus preached to the disciples on the Kingdm of God for 40 days....it is obvious because of their question that the diciples expect the Kingdom of Israel to be restored. You should be careful to hear the whole counsel of God's Word. It is part of God's overall plan which your unbelief cannot eradicate.
@@davidcooper1201 with all due respect, the kingdom the disciples were looking for and inquiring about did not come to fruition because their Messiah was rejected and cut off. I think it would be really nice if supposed brothers and sisters in Christ could allow iron to sharpen iron with the spirit of love, wouldn’t you agree? Let us strive for that in Jesus name. Blessings
Do you believe that Jesus is currently King and that He has all authority in heaven and on the earth? The Bible sure indicates it so. Revelation 1:5-6 says that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on earth" and that He has "made us a kingdom". Are these verses said in the past, present, or future tense?
What about all of these verses about Jesus reigning as King? are they in the past, present, or future tense?
Colossians 3:1--"If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God."
Hebrews 1:3--"After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high"
Hebrews 8:1--"we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven"
Hebrews 10:12--"But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,"
Hebrews 12:2--"looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God."
Revelation 3:31--Jesus is telling the believers/church to "conquer" in order to receive the same reward as He has received--"as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne."
There are only about a zillion videos on this topic. Why another one? Get over it
We're all going to find out pretty soon I think.
J.N. Darby..., oh my. Schofield and a few others. Flawed men to be sure, but that's all of us to one degree or another.
However, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
A few factors, nevertheless, need some consideration. The only information that has come to us in modern times from the early Church has been filtered through a thousand years of the Catholic Church, and just as with the scriptures, we really don't have any of their original manuscripts, nor do we have all of their complete works so far as we know.
In addition, after the RCC, Aquinas, Augustine, and a few others were done finalizing their Amillennialism, and altering or burning any documentation or people that didn't agree with their theology right up until they couldn't get away with it anymore; it's not surprising that that the RCC and most of the groups that splintered off from them hold similar positions, and have lost interest in the prophetic aspects of the Bible. The scriptures do strongly indicate that there are things that will not be understood until the latter days. And many aspects of prophecy were ignored in the past because they didn't really have a way to make it fit into their theology.
Do I think that Dispensational Hermeneutics and pre-tribulation eschatology are the only correct interpretation of the Bible? No, however, I also think it should not be dismissed out of hand merely because many others say it should be.
Darby didn't originate Dispensational Hermeneutics. There were others that held similar views; and Darby and Schofield were more like popularizers that spread it around so that others could examine the scriptures and build upon it. Perhaps this is a bad thing, but so long as the basic Gospel message is kept, I think the Lord Jesus Christ allows for a bit of goofy theology. And I feel certain that every branch of Christianity has some of that.
The Lord Jesus in His infinite wisdom DIDN'T (except for the Gospel) write down and chisel in stone a complete and detailed system of theology that was to be rigorously followed without deviation or development. We were given the Gospel, the Lord's supper, baptism, and a bit of guidance from the Apostles, and the Bible; which is all we really need.
So, given that, and the tendency of people to mess with things that are working just fine, and the possibility that Jesus wants us to search the scriptures for better understanding. (But not development) It's not surprising that some people have seen some things in the scriptures that were discarded or passed over in the past. Does that mean they are thereby wrong? Probably only time will tell. But you might want to keep an open mind, read your Bible, study it, and keep an eye on the news, because things are happening that are very interesting in the light of prophecy and eschatology.
Going up?! 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
Tell me what is flawed in their teaching and I will correct your flawed judgment of the intepretation of God's Word.
This is the kind of love and humility a born again believer exhibits. Shalom friend. May the Lord Jesus bless you in all things.
Makes sense it was made up, because so is their secret rapture. So, same guy who made up that, made this up.
I came to your video just to tell you that you don’t have a clue!
You do see it in history.
And how long did the Catholic Church have terrible theology before the reformation?
2 different plans!? You don’t understand the theology. It’s only by Jesus that we are saved. You reformed guys think everything is about soteriology. Milk faith.
It’s what the Bible teaches. Why is it that all of the covenant theology churches stick to a beaten path within the Bible? Why won’t they read Romans 11? Why not the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, revelation? Why do all of the disp churches tend to teach the entire Bible?
There are 10 X the qty of seminaries that focus on your hermeneutic. By no means is that proof for this being made up.
Sacrifices will be atoning for sins? You really don’t get the hermeneutic at all. That’s the difference, it was always Jesus in the past present and in the future. The animal sacrifices never did it. The irony is that your view actually makes two different systems by being saved.. old and new. dispensation think has always been one, Jesus. Perhaps you guys are so scared of going to hell that you think everything in the Bible is about soteriology.
How do you explain the 70th week of Daniel?
How do you explain the time of Jacob’s trouble? Why is it not the time of Abraham’s trouble? Do you understand the difference?
Thankfully, I found a more dispensational viewpoint on the Bible and it has changed my walk incredibly. The Bible has come to life and u cannot unsee it once you’ve seen it.
I noticed a massive trend where covenant theology people just absolutely cannot re-create the hermeneutic. Try to steel man the viewpoint rather than taking the absolute worst line.
What happened to the ever lasting covenant of land for the Jews? Did God make a mistake? Did he not see the future? Did he repurpose the Land for the church? Or did he do exactly what he said and provide the land for the Jews, which they now live in again after 1900 years? Don’t you think God would’ve seen how confusing this would be in advance?
In the same way that the Jews did sacrifices for 37 years after the death of Christ, they will do these again in the future And in the same way, they will be for the same purpose.
Remember “in their affliction, they will seek me” at the end of the tribulation they will finally seek Jesus himself when they realize that he’s the one that they pierced. The Jews will be pursuing God and Jesus will be pursuing the Jews in the end, the Jews will accept Jesus as their savior
Thanks, well said. I want to expand on one point. Dispensationalism is accused of teaching that there will be temple sacrifices in the millennial kingdom. True. But WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT? Dispensationalism is a mature adult theology. If they read it in the Bible then it needs a place in Disp. Theo. We don't put our hands over our eyes and hope that the thousand years will go away or pretend that it already happened. Those sacrifices are prophecies in several places. Mature Bible students don't overlook what they don't like. But since we insist that the sacrifices never took away sin, why do slanderers claim that Disp. teach that the sacrifices will replace Jesus'death in the future? It is probably too much to hope that you will grow up.
Mr. Cathlocity, I agree the teaching of dispensationalism is bad theology. Speaking as a protestant and Reformed. There are several Reformed teachers who also are dispensationists: John MacArthur and Irwin Lutzer, to name two. But then you have whole other groups in the Arminian side who are wholeheartedly dispensationists and, in my opinion, wrong on both counts.
You can’t be reformed and dispensationalist
@devothebot3008 P.s. I would also say you can't be Roman Catholic and be a Christian if your beliefs are in line with the pope in Rome and Alphonso Ligouri.
@@blchamblisscscp8476I'm very much not a Roman Catholic and would have a hard time bending the knee to papal rule for a lot of reasons, but to say that Roman Catholics aren't Christian in the core sense of the word is completely absurd.
Dispensation is literally written in the Scriptures.
1Co 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God...
Heb 1:1 God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 in these last days has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.
No one responded. They have no response, only radical rhetoric that denies the clear teachings of God's Word.
@@davidcooper1201 thanks for adding that encouragement. You Tube is full of haters of dispensationalism.
Roman Catholicism, the merging of the Babylonian, pagan Roman Empire with the true Church found in the New Testament isn't biblical. The entirety of Scripture from Genesis through Revelation teaches salvation through God's grace ( mercy, love) without repentance ( God doesn't take it back at anytime) which is completely contrary to what the RCC teaches.
Good thing this isn't an RCC channel then :D
So your the Bride? what I thought wrong!
At 2:30, you say the church is the fullness of what Israel pointed towards. This is false.
Romans 11:12 "Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?"
The fall of Israel, not their fullness, is the cause of the current dispensation of grace given to Paul (Ephesians 3), until the fullness of the Gentiles become in (Romans 11:25), then after God will save Israel and bring about their fullness (Romans 11:26), in accordance with the scriptures of the prophets to make them a nation above the nations (Isaiah 2, Isaiah 60, Isaiah 66, etc). Dispensationalism explains the fall of Israel, the fullness of the Gentiles into the Body of Christ, and the fullness of Israel into the nation above the nations, in the correct order.
Ok so the jews will repent and acknowlege Christ? thats in ro.11:23? so the terms are set? isnt that the point of the video? we are grafted in, we dont do the setting,,,,,,ro.11.28 As concerning the gospel, indeed, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are most dear for the sake of the fathers.
Sounds like we are supposed to stay out of it, are they the enemies we are supposed to love? i understand this as they will return to the tree before christ's second coming.
@@joetookmyvideo The Jews as a nation rejected Christ, thus they fell and diminished (Romans 11:11), but that is in contrast to their fullness (Romans 11:12). The fullness of Israel is when the nation repents and receives Jesus as their Messiah, after all, Jesus came to redeem His nation and save Israel as it is written. However, it was revealed to Paul that God interrupted that program until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (Romans 11:25), and only then will God save Israel (Romans 11:26).
So the correct sequence is, Israel fell, the Gentiles were grafted in, the Body of Christ is removed from the Earth, the Gentiles who are not taken in the gathering are then cut off from God's grace and enter the time of wrath, and God returns to saving Israel. This is the events of Revelation, the Day of the Lord (Revelation 1:10), where God pour's out wrath upon a world that rejected the free offer of grace.
@@VFXShawn the body of christ was left on earth, that has been aknowleged from the time of Christ in the last supper , what do you think the church is? the repenting jews are regrafted back into the root, with the people of christ, God, Israel
@@joetookmyvideo There was no mention of "the Body of Christ" as a group of believers until Paul. Paul explicitly says the body was a mystery (Ephesians 3), hid in God, but now revealed to us through Paul. The church that Christ left on earth at the Last Supper was the little flock, the kingdom of Israel church, which was to inherit the earth as a nation of priests. That group's mission was to convert their nation back to God to usher in the earthly kingdom, but the nations leaders did not repent. So, at the stoning of Stephen, Israel fell and diminished, and God called a new apostle, Paul, with a mystery; that Paul calls "my gospel" (Romans 16:25), which was not made known in previous ages or to the prophets of Israel; how that through Israel's fall, salvation has now come to the Gentiles (Romans 11:11-12). Once the fullness of the Gentiles comes into this body (Romans 11:25), then God shall return to saving Israel as it was written (Romans 11:26).
@@VFXShawn Christ mentioned it at the last supper
There are always wrong/false teachings regardjng a doctrine/subject.
Please do not throw away the baby together with the dirty water. E.g. please do not throw away the doctrine of grace just because there are erroneous/heretical teachings about grace.
What is "the doctrine of grace"? Isn't grace just one of the many characteristics of the Kingdom of God (just like mercy, righteousness, faithfulness, peace, joy, love, etc)?
Probably all rapturists also hold firmly to the PHYSICAL MILLENIAL KINGDOM ON EARTH. Therefore they cannot be gnostics,!
Yes, we do. And that is very clearly taught in God's Word. VERY CLEAR, except from those who want to rob Israel and the prophets of their proclamations.
How do you think we got the canon of scripture in the first place? All of the early church writings had to be scrutinized to determine whether or not it was God breathed. They had a method, (hermeneutical process) to verify it was. As a matter of fact, historical record, Polycarp, bishop of SMYRNA, (1 of the 7 in Revelation) and a disciple of John, the revealtor did not accept the book of Revelation as part of the canon of scripture. Do your homework.
The canonization was left in the hands of churches like the seven that Jesus chewed out in the Rev.
I've heard some bad attempts to refute dispensationalism, but this one might be the worst. Have you ever read the Bible? Have you ever studied church history outside of either the Catholic church perspective or the reformed perspective? If not, I would recommend it. Many works have been produced showing that many in the early church and throughout church history held to forms of what we call dispensationalism. And don't let the word "forms" throw you off. All "Christian" beliefs are seen in forms in the early church. Theology has developed over the centuries to bring us to where we are today.
I was a dispensationalist for over 20 years. It was the theological ethos I was brought up in and nurtured in.
I'm sorry you feel this was a poor refutation. I have read the early church fathers and councils thoroughly - I also studied at a dispensational institution - and it is quite clear that *nothing* close to modern dispensationalism was present in the early church. Anyone who believes it was present has a poor grasp of historical theology and the context surrounding such a study.
In the least, I would hope that if you truly believe dispensationalism (in forms) was taught in the early church, you would also acknowledge the universal teaching of Christ's real presence in the Eucharist, baptismal regeneration, and the essential structure of the Church as bishops, priests, and deacons. If you reject these universal teachings, I have no reason to believe you are a serious student of the early church.
@@merecatholicity almost everything that is taught today was taught in the early church in some form. Just because it was taught in the early church doesn't mean that it was correct. Anyone who bases their beliefs on the early church fathers are greatly mistaken. The Bible is our final authority. And if the Bible says one thing and the early fathers say something different, then I'm going with the Bible.
@merecatholicity Lee Brainard has done a phenomenal job in researching the early church fathers and their teachings. He has found multiple sources, some of which had not been translated before now, that taught the pretrib rapture of the church. It's a great find that's been almost completely ignored by too many. Now, it's coming to the forefront that those who deny that the pretrib rapture was taught in the early church are completely wrong. As we suspected all along.
However, I don't need the early church fathers to decide what correct theology is. I have the Bible.
The Bible that was complied and canonized by the Church led by the Spirit… ironic that you trust that the Spirit led the Church to put together the right books of Scripture, but ignore their authority on everything else.
The early Church? I will follow the Bible, not the early, middle or anytime Church. What Jesus said to those churches early in the Revelation does not promote learning our doctrine form the churches or from church tradition. Bible. Bible. Bible.
Hi Jonah. New subscriber here and just saw this post from last year. I completely 💯 percent agree with your take on this topic. I also wants to note that if this is not a christian theology then in my opinion the traching of Thai system of dispensationalism is blasphemy. It is a system that try to add to what the scripture already telling us. Looking forward to hear more of your discussion on Christianity. God bless.
Never heard or Seen ANYONE say that there will be any Sacrifices in the millennial kingdom.
The IFB church i attend has never said this to my knowledge. But....they do teach dispensationalism and rapture, the confusing distinction between Israel and the church, etc. I'm sure there might be others who do teach it though. Point is, dispensationalism is nothing but confusion! And God is not the Author of confusion. So the conclusion would be that man has once again butchered the Word of God to suit his delusional mind and it has spread like fire. May the Lord keep us sharp and able to discern truth from lies. 🙏
Who cares about Church history!
Neither is protestantism.
All of these videos use the same misrepresentation of dispensationalism to make their point using little or no scripture. And by scripture I mean the Old and New Testament, not creeds or tradition.
Exactly
So what would be the correct representation of dispensationalism then? Please inform. Thanks!😊
Dispensation is great 😅
Christianity is so messed up. So many additions made to the Textus Receptus; So many named as Apostles who Jesus says are not. So much dependence on traditions and "orthodoxy" instead of proven and comparative manuscripts. No attempt to undo the modifications made to the Masoretic Text nor any major attempts to stop basing English translations around these corrupted documents. Dispensationalism is just one of many heresies. Get in line.
Wow, so much said and yet you surely must know that most of what you say is absolutely not true. Corrupted documents?....prove it. You can't. As a student of textual criticism your claims are totally baseless but could cause some to doubt.
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If you actually read the Bible you will find it to be a fact. Hebrews is a good example and it's found in Genesis and exodus. The bible interprets it self quite well.
The Bible indeed is often it’s best interpreter…which is why, after I began to actually read scripture in context and then compared Scripture with scripture, I abandoned dispensationalism years ago.
Then you didn't read it properly. The bible would make no sense. Are you under the law? Are you from the 12 tribes? No
Amen !
Amen !
Not very good.
Saller is just another liar and coward....
How so?
9:13 "Christ has one coming and that's the second coming" Bahahahahahaha!!!!
Ah a Catholic talking about false teachings
I agree with you, brother. I would recommend using scripture rather than creeds to prove your thesis. This is considered one of the weaknesses of our position among dispensationalists. Otherwise, fantastic presentation!
Great job - third temple is SO offensive…
Well the Jews are trying to build it... sooo...
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All legalism including dispensationialism is false gospel. We are saved by faith alone.
Where did you get the idea that dispensationalism is legalistic and does not teach the gospel? You are probably covenantalist because you like fiction
@@JosephBoxmeyer literalsits are often legalists
So you're saying there's no old or new testament? You have no idea how to rightly divide.
The creeds have no authority. They make good reference points. That’s it
They summarise the faith. And they are biblical (maybe not the filioque). Or does someone read the whole Bible every time someone asks a question about the faith?
@@Dilley_G45”summarize” implies truth. The creeds contradict one another and even themselves at times. People quote them as authoritative. That’s an issue