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The first Elesh Norn card was printed in 2011. The first Destiny game came out in 2014. It's possible Destiny referenced Magic for Eris Morn, but not the other way.
Besides, Phyrexians have been around since the 90s.
Fake news, first elesh was also 2014
@@huron994 New Phyrexia came out in 2011
Ah I misread the wiki, she was the first in phycology script, in 2014
But also she's based on norse mythology which destiny also takes from, so it's more likely that they're just based on the same sources
Dude you're a yugioh player. You should know Life is just an additional resource to be spent.
I think he misunderstood that you don't need to keep paying the virtue's cost every turn.
Nah, bro thought it was a sorcery lmao
@@AzureAilurenYep, Also, I think he was mislead a bit about the strength of a 2 mana 2/2 creature with vigilance and (effectively) flash in standard. That's reasonably close to an on-curve power in the meta even before you add in the enchantment.
@@blueishgreen76 I think it was a yugioh moment cause he asked if 3 power was common so maybe didn't realise a 2/2 still trades with a 3/2 in Magic.
Your face when he said loyalty was bad. Big poker face haha.
Always 😈
Phyrexian vindicator : if mono white is good it's good, if it's bad it's bad.
But obligatory dies to doom blade.
Something to also note about fealty. By casting the first half, you provide the enchantment some protection, because exiled cards are pretty uninteractable. Unlike say if it put it into the graveyard, where it could be hate removed, ir same in the hand.
One thing you forgot to explain with Virtue of Loyalty is that the adventure being instant speed makes it a lot better than just getting a 2/2. In Yu-Gi-Oh terms that's a handtrap that allows you to throw a 1500 into an opponents attack (and since you can block an attacker with multiple creatures in magic this allows you to trade in situations where you otherwise would just chump block or even snipe an attacking combo piece of your opponent that attacked on a seemingly empty board (though then again attacking with combo pieces against white is hardly ever a good idea).
So more often than not this reads as handtrap: add 1500 atk to your monster, sacrifice it at end of combat step (and potentially get a 1500/1500 creature token that changes to defense position at the end of your turn if your opponent doesn't deal enough damage to the buffed creature)
the instant speed aspect also means it can be slotted into more controlling decks relatively easily. Hold up mana for interaction, if you don’t have anything to counter just flash out a 2/2 on end step (that cantrips into a wincon enchantment)
I read the title and thought this was going to be MBT again
Great idea
Has there been an episode based on card rarity yet? It might be interesting to call out strong commons and uncommons (commons could either be in the context of pauper or in general).
I just wanted to say that I appreciate there being a cohesive theme in these videos, restricting yourself to a single format is much better than "is this card good in any format ever." Maybe let the guest know the cards are all in a certain standard period or pioneer or modern, and they're evaluated in that context, maybe with a quick description of what that encompasses.
I've recently started playing MTG Arena because I am sick of Snake Eyes meta. MTG is just a better gane than Yugioh (NOW!). I love White and I like White plus Black and White plus Blue decks.
Phyrexian vindicator still isn't good in this use case, but there's one fantastically hilarious build for the card, and its in a stuffy doll-style modern/legacy jank deck. The core strat and wincon is blowing up your own creatures with a blasphemous act-style effect to kill your opponent.
When I first started playing on Arena I swear I ran into Vindicator every other match, I had no way to kill it in the starter deck I had and actively looked for any and all cards to kill the dang thing.
Still get war flashbacks seeing it played lol
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In terms of the Defiler cycle, the white and black ones were probably the worst of them. The green one can be really good, especially in pioneer/explorer, where Great Henge is still legal. The red one is not spectacular, but it can work well in a red deck, since the ping can either go face or take out a 1/1 and let you play a bunch of Monastery Swiftspears for free and save the mana to pump them or something. The blue one is pretty bad, but it draws cards, which I think makes it better than the white or black ones, since your permanents are now net-neutral in card advantage and there are cards (like Nathan's card) that benefit from the drawing. Granted, the cycle overall wasn't spectacular, but there's definitely a big gap between green and the rest.
As someone who plays a Gruul deck on Arena, Vindicator was always my downfall. It's the sole reason why I have two Plummet in my deck.
I'm a MTG player and I stupidly got the Phyrexian Vindicator call wrong. I feel like I lose to it all the time in Arena but maybe it's just cause I'm bad 🤣
If you’re playing monogreen, that might be it. 1: you’re playing a bad deck
2: That card specifically hoses you.
9:26 Dude, I got 17 1/1 ant token on the field with my ant queen once, then pumped them all to 4/4. that's not counting the handful of other creatures I had. Sadly, I was at an EDH/commander tournament, playing mono-green, and my brother was one of my opponents. He played Iona and called green. Shutting down my deck and half of another opponent's deck. Then the next turn, one of the opponents used something and wiped the board. I can't remember more details than that, this was like 12 years ago. Still have that mono-green, it's been through changes, though.
20:55 Elesh Norn has been a thing in MTG since before Destiny 1 was even announced. She was first printed in the New Phyrexia set in 2011. Destiny 1 was announced in 2013, and Eris Morn didn't appear until the Dark Below dlc in 2014. Also, that wasn't a picture of Eris Morn, that was a picture of the Hive God Crota.
Bro, Phyrexian Vindicator is going into one of my white decks. Someone drops a big ass Eldrazi, and I say, well, you can hit me with annihilator 15, but I'll sacrifice my lands and kill your Eldrazi so you better attack someone else 😂
I just wanna see someone have to figure out Lantern of insight.
The shock of having Convulsion of Nature being the centrepiece of a serious deck with tournament success would be hilarious.
Anyone who say's Phyrexian Obliterator or Vindicator are bad have never met the horror of a deck that is just built around throwing it at you to proc it's effect.
More common and better with Obliterator mind you.
Isn't the thumbnail depicting the wrong person?
I don’t have a thumbnail picture from Hoshiroe so I use myself when I need to
My man, playing Destiny. Hope you played Final Shape just now!
I want you to include more infect cards. So that other people get the see Just how b s they are
vindicator feels like beelze from yugioh to me. it has protection that isnt hard to play around
Yep!
It depends on the deck though. Mono Red basically can't remove it, and Mono Green can only remove it with Plumment-style effects, which are generally run less than bite/fight effects
@TheOneJame idea for a new format: challenge people to find the Yugioh equivalent of MTG cards, and vice versa. Like Phyrexian Vindicator is similar to Magic Cylinder
My 20 minutes of dopamine just arrived! Thank you sir !! Always enjoyable content!😍
Enjoy!
I always love these "rate the magic card" videos.
So while I won't say that MtG never takes inspiration from other games in terms of art direction etc... it's far far more common for other games to be inspired by parts of mtg's art. A lot of that just comes down to how long MTG has existed and therefore how many folks who have gone on to make other games have been exposed to it.
Like, FromSoft has explicitly made references to MtG (as in, they literally said in interviews) for a fully confirmed example. It's totally possible for Destiny to have been similarly inspired. It could also be coincidence, especially bc the names being similar does have explanation (both pulling from similar mythology), but there's nothing directly in mythology that echoes the Machine Orthodoxy aesthetic. MtG pulled from Geiger and other horror sources for the aesthetic of Norn's faction, and while its possible Destiny just happened to pull from all the exact same sources to come to a similar conclusion...feels like a bit of stretch to say they had no exposure at all to Elesh Norn (who predates their game).
Love the videos, but I think your mic's noise gate is a little too aggressive and is cutting off your words. Still, thanks for the awesome content!
Thanks for the feedback, I'll check that out!
Lets get that 1k likes
Have you ever had an MTG player try and judge Lightsworn?
Not yet but it's on my list!
I'm doing my part!
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I was so hyped for Phyrexian Vindicator. And then it turned out to be ass.
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*aggressively mashes the like button*
Would love to see you give someone a bunch of similar cards, maybe a whole cycle or just cards with a common mechanic and have them figure out which is historically the strongest, like the Swords or something
I was about to post a comment saying a similar thing. (Because I wanted the other defilers to be shown so badly, even though I know this is just white cards.)
Do it with companions.
The WWWW cost on Vindicator really is that brutal for it's playability. Once you go above 2 pips of the same color, a card has to be exponentially more and more powerful (or the manafixing has to be even more insane) to see any play outside of mono-that-color decks. I still remember right before I started playing Magic, folks I knew played were questioning if Cryptic Command was even good enough to see play with because it cost 1UUU.
How does this not have 1k likes??
I know right!
You should do a video for all the 2-color combinations. It would be interesting to see people evaluate how the colors work together and if you want to keep it to 5 cards per video you could split the allied and enemy colors into separate videos
Yo I'm playing arena and i swear when he mentioned obliterator i got it from my March Towards Perfection
"Mono" color: sultai cards.
The assessment of virtue of loyalty is kind of poor on both ends, they missed the most critical part of the card. The creature has flash, flash is one of the best keywords for creatures to have. It lets esper hold up mana for counterspells then play a threat if nothing happens, or plays around board wipes in a tempo deck. Understating this fact heavily under sells what makes loyalty good
I thought I mentioned it had flash in the video but I guess not lol. And I’m not sure how I could have a poor assessment of a card I’ve literally played with.
So I mean this as pure critism and still enjoy the content. However I do find you gloss over the main reasons to what makes a card good or you don’t go into enough detail. Virtue is a sumtotal of about 7 different elementals. But atleast think you only state 1-2 reasons. Which isn’t really the full picture. Mentally you might have the full picture in your head.
But you don’t express it which leads to the assessment of the card sounding off or half assed.
Like also with vindicator you could of clarified after they gave there answer that you can’t really block it even with a flying or reach creature as the combat with be redirected anyway and you’d lose your creature. And that any target doesn’t just mean any creature it can also go face. And then clarified why it’s still bad. Because it has bad protections and it basically just serves as a 5/5 unblockable sometimes because it’s unblockable until your opponent blocks it to stop lethal. So it’s a glorified beater. And beaters at 4 mana need more then just “pro red”
So being an effect your opponent virtually gets to control is bad. Because at competitive tournaments only 1/15 matches will someone do damage to this on accident.
@@chaosky9 I could go into every single detail (and trust me I know them) but I don’t really want the video to be even longer than it already is, and the long explanations might go over someone’s head if they don’t already play Magic. So I’m balancing giving the right amount of information to them while at the same time not confusing the hell out of them lol. Thanks for the feedback though, I really appreciate it.
Hey another Joseph episode.
As someone that hasn't finished the video and has limited magic experience for defiler of faith if you have a spell that cost only one white mana does it get discounted to zero making it free?
Yes, why not ?
Yes, but you only can do that to cast permanents
@@greghouse8833 are creatures considered permanents? I'm a noob I know lol
@@dangerexplosian yup, everything that sticks on the board is a permanent
@@dangerexplosianAnything that enters the battlefield is a permanent. Specifically, that's lands, creatures, enchantments, artifacts and planeswalkers
That's crazy Hoshiroe caught the resemblance to destiny 2.
Defiler of faith: good if you have a draw on white etb and a bunch of cheap chumps or a bouncer (gets back to hand on some trigger)
But yeah it's bad by itself because 5 is nearing on "it needs to win the game" territory. And it doesn't have protection, so dies to doom blade.