RC Pit-Stop EP27 - ARRMA Kraton Repair and Talion Comparison
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- RC Pit-Stop EP27 - ARRMA Kraton Repair and Talion Comparison
After giving my Talion a hard time at the track I managed to blow out a bearing and bend a driveshaft. As I wanted to quickly get the Talion up & running again ASAP, I decided to strip my Kraton of some parts to fix the Talion. Turns out these two share a lot of parts but there are a few that set them apart. I show you this in this video and explain the differences.
Thank you for watching and hope you enjoyed the video.
Parts replaced:
Composite Front Steering Block - AR330187
Ball Bearing 15x21x4mm - AR610018
CVD Driveshaft set 174.5mm - AR220031
Battery Tray Set - AR320192
RC SPEED WEEK #6 - ARRMA Kraton 6S with 14T Pinion
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RC SPEED WEEK #6 - ARRMA Kraton 6S Stock
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ARRMA Kraton Truggy with 14T pinion on 4S
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ARRMA Kraton Truggy First Running Video on 6S Stock
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ARRMA Kraton Truggy First Running Video on 4S Stock:
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Unboxing: ARRMA Kraton 6S MT 1/8 Scale Truggy:
• Unboxing: ARRMA Kraton...
ARRMA Kraton 6S info page:
www.arrma-rc.com/rc-cars/lates...
Where I got it from:
www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/...
ARRMA TV:
/ @arrmarc
ARRMA info page for the Talion 6S:
www.arrma-rc.com/rc-cars/lates...
ARRMA Talion 6S Truggy with 15T Pinion on 4S Stock
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ARRMA Talion 6S Truggy First run on 6S Stock
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ARRMA Talion 6S Truggy First run on 4S Stock
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Unboxing: ARRMA Talion 6S 1/8 Scale Truggy
• Unboxing: ARRMA Talion...
Where you can get one:
www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/...
Bent Pixels Link:
dashboard.bentpixels.com/bp/ap...
Aussie RC Playground Facebook page:
/ aussiercplayground
Intro done by Wiziquad:
/ wiziquad
Music purchased from:
www.premiumbeat.com/
Track used for intro:
Modern Logo
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Artist:
Olive Musique - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Excellent video Vas, thanks for sharing, I found it totally interesting as I love my Talion and enjoy seeing those two vehicles together.
Helped me make my decision to buy a talion and save the extra money. Thank you again for a great review
Agreed. I love my v3 Kraton and it has been amazing for 2 years but lately I've been wanting to go the track and still bash. I just recently finished putting Talion shocks and towers on my Kraton. Also I'm running a Jconcepts Tekno body which looks badass and sleek. Looking back, I should of just bought the Talion and saved a bit
Nice job Vas! Very informative!
Thanks Chris. :)
Hey Love your videos! Thanks for showing the blown bearings, I stress that replacing them with upgraded are important before even running the car.
Awesomevideo!
Very cool informations!!!
love your videos man. you got a big dirty thumbs up from me. keep up the good work.
just got new updated kraton last week.. runs like a beast with new esc and motor.. tires grip good and don't balloon much at all..
Nice comparison! They are more similar than I thought :)
Nice to see you here also breski:)
thx that answered alot of my Questions
This was a great review yo, proper makes sense these two now, thanks you for helping with that too, but what arrma have done is if u like this 1 then you'll love that1 too, which is why folk all over the shopping continent are bafgeld as to which 1 to grab, and end up grabbing more than 1 at the same time💯🎁🎁😎
Thanks for sharing.
cool video !!
Good information to know.
Sweet mate handy
cool vid
Hi vas,
Could we please see more of these 'tear-down' and 'rebuild' videos. Personally, I love them, I'm sure other people do to. Thanks :)
RC Unrivalled I have more RC Pit Stop videos in the pipeline and you will see more of this type of video in the future. Cheers. :)
Thanks so much !!Did I understand that the Body for the talion will also fit the Kraton?
Thanks.
My typhon has been taking a beating and just keeps going. Only problem I've had is the batteries moving. Had one move up and got the battery wire caught in the sprout gear and tore it apart. I use 2 3s 5200mah and they don't fit snug. Just looking for was to adjust it. I'll mess around with some things.
becoming a big fan of your videos. very knowledgeable and you teach me a lot every video I watch. Out of curiosity do you like the Talion or the Kraton better after using both?
I don't think the shocks are the same. I believe the Kraton has larger shocks. Different part numbers for shocks anyways!
hi dude
love these two RC models
I really hesitate between the Talion and the Kraton.
I just want something tough, durable and agile. I am a basher on grass, road and mud just for fun no race.
Thanks!
Pierre LEFORT me too man! I have the outcast and I seriously can’t decide which one of these to get. There both so similar. I’m leaning toward talion but then you could easily make kraton look like truggy with a body. I love the truggys!!
I purchased the 24.6 mm hubs I can't get them to fit the stock stub axle. do have any idea why. the pin whole will not match up on the hub and the axle.. thanks
your videos are always good& helpful quick question which one do u recommend talion or kraton
I think the roll cage is a good feature, how many times have I seen these buggies flip over in videos due to massive torque.
great vids! one question though, is there any way to purchase the complete front end for the talion? instead of buying individual parts
Nice review! Could u do a comparison beetwen the Talion and the Senton?
Thanks for the video brother! So the only difference between the kraton and the talion is axles hub adapters and the wing?
What about the Typhon on parts interchange Aussie ??? Great videos by the way. Thanks
i really love your channel man. you are very helpful when it comes to rc cars. i have a question please answer me. when it comes to durability and which handle better. typhon or kraton?
Nice. Thank you for the review. I am taking the talion v4. Just sone questions: do they have the same spur teeth count and front/rear diff teeth count? Do they have interchangeable chassis? Or the talion has a more centered electronics for weight distribution?
I still can't decide which to get. 😀
My new arrma kraton v2 run on 4s has a bent front prop shaft! I didn't even go as crazy as arrma would like! This happened today out of the box, maybe it was bent on arrival? I noticed tho the truck does bleed a lot of power to the front with the diff tho, wheelies on 4s just isn't really possible
can the longer Kraton hex be fitted onto Talion? sort of meet in the middle on the width
If you could pick 1 truggy what would you pick?
Hey question as size comparison typhon and talión which is big and by how much w by length
Which one ist Faster and cooler for you ?
Hi Aussie, since you own both a Talion and a Kraton, can tell me if the Talion body will fit with the Kraton roll cage?
Ive all ready punch the rear body mounts through the body of my Talion and the cage would help in bad crash.
Cheers,
Paul
If I got the Talion...Could I just put Kraton sized tires(ie, 3.8 Proline Trenchers)? Or would I need to swap hubs, and shafts?
3.8 trencher is a pwrfect fit man. got em in my talion!
Note to self wider tires or spacers for talion = win
Is it just me, or are the shocks longer on the talion? Is it just how you have them mounted or do you have the droop adjusted on the kraton to limit how far the arms go down?
Looks like the droop is adjusted. The springs on the kraton are compressed
So hows the review coming along
I know this is an older vid and the V3 Talion is now out but do the Kraton and Talion share the same diffs? I've heard the Talion basically has Typhon diffs with the 13 tooth input gear and the Kraton has Outcast diffs with the 10 tooth. Maybe b/c of bigger tires on the two. I have the Outcast, Typhon and Truggified Typhon. I'd love to get a V3 Talion and "Kratonify" it with the hubs, axles and Back flip tires. Just not sure if the diffs could take it...Love your channel bro!! Keep them coming!
Thank you. I haven't checked the input gears on both, but I'm sure you'll find the answer to that question in the ARRMA website and look up the manuals for both. The diffs should take it regardless as long as you gear correctly for the size of tyres and driving style you plan to do. Thanks for watcging. :)
Great vid as usual. Very informative.
On a side note. What video editing software do you use?
Mike Browne I use Sony Vegas Pro 12.
Nice! What is better Kraton or Talion ? i need buy one.
Hey Vas any problems with running these 2 on 6s? I have a E revo brushless and I would strip a diff every single run on 5s n 6s even with aluminum diff cups. I'm getting so frustrated with it I'm thinking about selling it and getting the Talion.
Shock towers are different also. Lower on the Talion
That is correct, but only since the V3 cars were released. The V1 and V2 cars had the same shock towers.
Why someone would buy a Talion over a Kraton? Coming from an old Revo 2.5 and I am entertaining the idea of a truggy. Is it handling? Speed? I would think bigger tires and ground clearance would be more fun in the dirt. Around $500, what else should I look? Leaning away from Traxxas. HPI seems good but my understanding is that ARRMA is better. (not racing, just occasional bashing). Noticed the new 2018 Talion is coming out early October 2017.
I couldn’t decide so I went and bought both plus I have a Traxxas xmaxx all brand new waiting to get punished.🎄🎅🏻
Lol I bought both arrmas too :)
Gosh I need to stop being poor
Wesley Johnston that is a good life goal. Keep pushing and you’ll get there.
Donc on peut mettre des roue de talion et une carrosserie de talion sur le kraton ? Comme xa on a les 2en 1
It look that the springs on the kraton are different than the Talion did u do that or was it like that rtr thx keep RCIng
He changed them over. Makes the back end stand taller
Are you going to review the arrma senton?
piliph dliw Yes, I am. I'm just waiting for it to come into stock...
Aussie RC Playground Ok thanks.
I've been thinking of trying the tallion wheels and tyres on my typhon.
do you reckon I'll have any issues ?
before I splash the cash.
You may have steering issues as the short arms on the Typhon will limit steering angle due to the wheels hitting the body. That's what I'm thinking will happen.
Steven Rees try the kraton wheel hubs they are wider
Vas why didn't you go with rubber shielded bearings instead, they withstand the dust better. I went that way with my DXR8-E which didn't come with rubber shielded bearings on the inner side of the hubs.
Maybe next time. I just wanted the cars up and running and didn't have time to search for other brands or where to get them from.
Aussie RC Playground got a set at Tower Hobbies for $19, they come 10 in a pack rubber shielded for the MBX6. I got them for a S350 BE1 I will be building that way i can spend more time playing and less time cleaning.
Really not a big fan of the background music :< Other than that - great video!
It is so sad that the RTR Kraton is $550 now :( SO expensive
Man there close never had a arrma but there shit came a long way what's the best arrma basher in your mind you had them all I'm thinking of a outcast or talon or crayton I like the savage flux and I think the outcast will be similar were as the crayton probably is more erevo feeling can you give me your opinion what's the best basher and why , there's also the fazon on and Neuro shit help me out
I can tell you for a fact that the flux isn't much like any of arrma's rigs. All of arrma's are basically truggies, which are waaaaaaaaaaay easier to work on. A buddy of mine has a talion and I have a brushless revo and savage flux. I envy his talion for simplicity, but it slaps the ground hard off the jumps. Which is fine in the dirt and grass, but is very harsh on it at a skate park. Still, I'd consider getting an outcast just for the simplicity of it, and I like shorter trucks. They are more twitchy, especially at speed, but for a basher, that's part of the appeal. I don't spend much time at WOT, so going fast over a long distance doesn't matter much and I don't race, so handling doesn't matter much. Durability and easy to work on are higher on my list.
I'd buy a kraton and also a talion body and paint it black and talion wheels and tyres.
I bought 2 arrma typhons online used for $450. Came with 5 sets of tires and 4 3s lipos, on my first day of running one of them, the esc went up in smoke. So then i put in the other esc from the other typhon, and i have been running on that for a good month, today, i plugged my 2 3s batteries in and i herd a pop and i could smell the esc was burnt. The fan still turns on but no throttle. The motor is fine cuz i tested both of them. Im done with the blx 180 esc
LOL. You bought two cars for the price of one and you're upset? If you had the original purchase receipt you can get both ESCs replaced at no cost, under warranty. I don't see why you should give up on these cars. I have 3 of them using the same original electrics and only one ESC failed which was replaced under warranty. Since then the NEW ESC has been performing flawlessly. Don't give up them, they're great cars. ;)
Aussie RC Playground Arma hands down the best bashers out right now. IMO
You are definitely a professional in the rc world you have some of the best videos ever and you go the distance on everything thank you buddy for all your hard work you are awesome man check out my channel when you get a chance I'm Roy the guy in the wheelchair and talking to you on and off for the last 5 months after being out of the hospital for 6 months thank you buddy👊👊👍👍
I know you have had decent luck with these and may others have as well, but I think these ARRMA vehicles are garbage. My brother bought both the Kraton and the Talion and both of them have fried receivers, servos, and ESC's. My Yeti XL came with the same radio/receiver and I had to swap it out because the receiver was pumping out like 7 volts as opposed to 4.8-6 and fried my steering servo in minutes. I feel really bad for my brother since it's his first 2 RCs. Me personally, I'm not impressed at all.
GamerNRetro I've only had the one ESC go out on my Kraton and that was replaced under warranty. Since then I've had no issues and couldn't recommend these cars enough. Great value, durability, speed, handling and ARRMA have great customer service to boot. Couldn't ask for more from these cars and the company that makes them.It's unfortunate that you've had such bad luck with yours and to have both cars with issues, I could only image would be extremely frustrating and disappointing. But yours must be a rare case to be so unlucky and I would highly recommend getting in contact with ARRMA or one of their distributors and get it sorted out. Their customer service is excellent.
+GamerNRetro um ...some BECs pump out 7.4-8.6v...it generally has nothing to do with the receiver...it is your job to know the difference and use high voltage digital servos to handle the extra voltage.....the receiver itself doesn't care what voltage it runs at..the receiver is basically just a switching pass through..
You can also program some ESC/BEC to support higher voltage high resolution servos. I race A main truggy and buggy. i use 7.4v servos.
ARRMA isn't junk ..your lack of research has made them junk. :)
warmfreeze um when the product comes as a RTR and it's messing and blowing up servos and the ESC. I understand there are high voltage servos but the included electronics are clearly not high voltage. I still stand behind my statement that they are junk.
GamerNRetro RTFM
warmfreeze well said, i totally agree!
I hear NON stop how these 1/8 Arrmas are MUCH tougher then Traxxas (in general)
Then you find thousands of vids of people that own them a day or few..and have to rebuild diffs and other things.
I go months or years on my traxxas and never break/fix anything ( granted, I dont do dumb things)
is the 6x just tearing them up? OR are parts junk?
Not hating, just saying..seems like people get 1-5 runs on these and have to work on them for 20 hours and spend 1000$ on parts.
+BOOSTEDLASER
I’m not sure what you’re referring to, specifically, but I personally would own any ARRMA over any Traxxas any day of the week. Traxxas are known for being weak and the only reason Traxxas is alive today is due to their parts support, which no doubt is where they make most of their money. Their cars are old, dated designs and have been superseded by various other brands over the years. And yes, I’m speaking from experience having owned several Traxxas vehicles myself.
Not sure how you calculated “$1000” on ARRMA parts, there aren’t enough aftermarket parts available to total that amount even if you buy some of them twice. If you do your research correctly, you’ll find that most people don’t need to do anything to these cars for them to last. While with Traxxas cars, well, I’ve never met anyone that has a Traxxas vehicle that’s still stock, they’ve all been modified or upgraded in some way to make them last.
No, 6S is not tearing these cars up. In fact, they feel right at home on 6S. The thing that you might be overlooking is that a lot of people that own these cars don’t know how to treat them and think that a $500 RC is meant to be indestructible. So they grab their phone, film themselves complaining about it and upload it to TH-cam for guys like you to watch. I’ve seen these types of videos, I know what people say and I know what’s right and what’s not. Now, in my case, I push these cars to their limit and beyond to see what they can handle - it’s what my channel is about. So yes, repairs will happen from time to time, but under “normal” use, these ARRMA cars outperform the competition. Just my opinion... and let’s not forget your commenting on a video that’s quite old. The cars in this video were the first version of these cars, ARRMA has just released the V3 versions which are a hell of a lot better.
Lastly, you say you haven’t broken anything on your Traxxas but don’t do “stupid stuff”. Well, no surprises there, even if you had a $100 RC from K-Mart and don’t do stupid stuff with it, chances are it will still be in one piece after a few years.
Ty for reply
Traxxas Tac Unit is a new design =P honestly I kinda like it
So in short, Arrma ( 1/8 anyway) are fine..these vids are dumb users doing dumb things..and posting it =P
What is the biggest over-all ( ground clear mostly) big like Emaxx or Summit ?
Semper Fi
Gunny
When you put 6s in the picture its a new ball game gotta shim them diffs for that extra friction which cause heat and heat expands the case .......
BOOSTEDLASER Plenty of videos of your plastic princess breaking as well. TraxxASS fangirls are the biggest whiners. Why won’t you buy what I bought? So sick of hearing crybabies like that. Not everyone drinks the TraxxASS koolaid bro
wow! and the arrma fanboys say traxxas recycles it's designs lol