I just dont think its fair to allow the hardcore to blast to paragon 300 with a broken build then nerf it and not allow every1 else to do the same either fix it b4 u release it or wait for the season to end
1990: It's a bug. We took out the bug. Players: "Sounds good" 2024: 11 minute video explaining why a bug is a bug and a nerf is a nerf and slowly holding hands with players and gently rubbing them on the back while saying "we're so sorry you're abusing an exploit, but we have to fix it, Timmy"... with much crying.
I don't like following buggy or meta builds, I like making my own, even if they aren't as powerful. I don't need to be overly powerful, I'm perfectly happy sticking to torment 2 with my own build
@@IdyllicMullet what is that you say it like the spiritborn use 1 bug to do the dmg it did, i guess its not so easy to stack bugs, but it probly sux to play a class that clears pit 150 in under 3 mins but when you play it it only goes to 130😅,change class itll be best for you, i play FO sors no expack and i am around pit 90, can finish pit 80 for ubder 4 max 5 mins and i know that the nolifers are bearly clear over 110 but with a pit build thst is dogsh.., out if the pit xD and im having fun
Yeah, imagine you level up until you can unlock a dragon you can just ride over the fields without anything disrupting you, be it an enemy or some environmental obsticle.
You say not to buff the other classes, but I would argue that their failure to balance spiritborn deserves them to swallow their effing pride and buff the rest of classes and re-attempt the balancing and stat squishing next season. That's the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you're just going to piss off the entire community and people leave the game. If everyone becomes as strong as Spirit born then people will diversify try new builds and the game will survive if you kill the Spirit. Born because you f***** up and didn't do your job then the game is going to die.
Dude realy, first time playn a brand new class? There is nothing like the spiritborn(or atleast i dont know) in any arpg game, you want to tell me that you played a brand new 1m-2m old class and it was balanced, you spent 250 hours knowing you use a BUG(probly more than one) so you can do that kind of damage, there is no such thing as balance for something brand new, when god knows how much ppl put more game time searching for bugs in the first week, than my game time from the start of the season till now, I dont know much of spiritborn but it looks like its like the sors, same 5 of 10 items with alitle tweak, better off fix the buggs now, so we can enjoy the class next season
That's a slippery slope of power creep turned into power sprint and we'll be facing another number crunch for next season where everyone will be doing 10 damage instead of 10 trillion anyway.
@@stevenlyffyt8768 You don't do it every season. It's permanent... that's why your eternal server characters have a paragon level of 201 already. Unless they are going to change something and reset paragon each season.
Add Raid specific uniques to Dark Citadel. Up the chances of getting Mythics on full completion. Increase amount of materials and gold you get by alot.
Its because the game is weighted against players. Intentionally not giving you the affixes/stats you need. I once went through a fresh item temper AND a full scroll temper and didnt get what I needed. That's 14 rolls in a row of mostly the same 2 un needed affixes.
Its sad.. You are teling me that for the 12 times you can rerol you coudnt get the one you wanted or you got one 15 fom 14 - 20 range, and you wanted 20? To midmax masterwork is ok you need to grind your a... off and you eventioly hit 2/3 3/3 of what you want, tempers is a nice add and boost the hero enought by simply been there, or its better to ruin an item just becouse youll see 0.001 didget befor the letters, and the season is not 3 weeks you will get what you want
There should be multiple builds per class that can push 100-110 each season with optimised gear. Then leave higher pit pushing to one build per class with 150 being essentially not obtainable. We are pretty close to that but obviously SB needs massive nerfs and some other builds in classes could use some small buffs.
They need to buff non-spirit born class skills to create other build varieties. Like there’s only a couple viable rogue builds for tier 4 even. Let alone higher content. And the snapshot thing is horrible to obtain one of them
Just not feeling this season or expansion. I was fine with the SB being strong. Im not ok with it one shotting every bit of content while other classes struggle.
@subzero308 I agree. I think they got lazy with the season mechanic thinking the DLC would carry, but now the SB has literally taken away any challenge. lol
My biggest want would be for them to fix the RNG of tempurs. It's super annoying to get the same one you don't want over and over and not get the one you actually need. Twice over now that you can reset it and still not get the one you need
A vast majority of everything feeling bad would be fixed if we change the way health scales in pits. Monsters having 850 quintillion health doesn't make sense to me.
Spiritborne being the only class that isn't balanced, was also the only class not in PTR. the other classes have a build that can push beyond 100 which is what the devs wanted.
They should buff a little bit the other classes and nerf the broken mechanics of the Spiritborn, also the Devs should reduce the elementals damage we take, for example lighting and red circles
We need a way to easily switch builds, storing our equipment in the wardrobe along with skillpoint settings and paragon point allocations. This would provide a lot of stuff to do in end-game experimenting with different builds and would explode the streamer/online content creators exposure.
Diablo games are supposed to make you feel like a fucking badass. Diablo has never been balanced. Ever. Obviously if it's the most popular class, there's a good chance the d4 population doesn't care if their SB toons make everything trivial. Blizz should simply improve the other classes.
Just no. Why do people keep saying this. Oh right because they don't understand how class balance works. The only effective way to balance the classes is to let them nerf sb
@@shanehumphrey6047strictly speaking id be more up for fixing what's broken/bugged and increase the output of all classes. Because at the end of the day everybody who plays these games doesn't do it for balance. We all want to feel the power of decimating hell. The only problem of it is that some classes are blatantly stronger or faster at it.the biggest problem I see is the combination of too much output with too much mobility and or tankiness. And even in a perfect game that would be a problem because people would be running the same build for eternity and then still try to break the game
@user-uj5sh8pz1d you still somehow completely refuse to understand. Vessel of hatred was supposed to reset.. hard reset.. everything. We aren't meant to clear pit 150. We aren't even meant to clear pit 120. Pit 80 struggling, that is the way it's supposed to be. You think the other classes need a power boost because you've seen firsthand and possibly done it yourself, how it feels to clear pit 100 or higher. But this was never supposed to be the case. You'll notice the best builds made by the best streamers are barely clearing up to put 110 / 115. Not counting Spirit born obv. Spirit born needs nerved the other classes are fine. In fact the other classes if you don't count Spirit born, are possibly the most balanced I've ever seen since release.
I would really like to see four more torment levels to make open-world content more appealing as well as boss fights, coupled with some new items to make other classes more competitive and able to keep up. No major changes to game mechanics needed there. Maybe something like an item that gets special build specific buffs for every mythic item equiped, like with the set items in D3, or something like mythic runes that boost certain builds. I just want farming for items to become more rewarding and fun.
While I fully agree with fixing the bugs the devs REALLY need to stop nerfing how good things seems to both feel & are balanced on the test servers just before the update so we can ACTUALLY get a balanced start of season FOR ONCE.
I've been playing as a Barbarian this season and its been fun. I've been doing a Thorns-Steel Grasp build and I've felt like it could go further if there was little bit of support for that. I know Whirlwind is the best build but do think more options would be better. I'm actually really proud that I've gotten Steel Grasp to a 2.5 second cooldown, I know I can get that probably down to 2 seconds or less once I get ancestral gear for my boots and two-handed axe. I'm not even level 200 yet with only 30 in all my glyphs and 8s in my masterworks so I'm not even close to being at max dps.
The "Buff the others" argument is an interesting and difficult one. I personally think that it is ridiculous that no class build has the ability to reach the hardest end game content without exploiting bugs. I think on a whole the classes should be buffed slightly in order to enable all classes to at least have a chance to get higher than T110 PIT. I don't think it would be a good idea to give them all buffs to be able to be OP like SB though. There is a balance that can be found. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing decision.
I consider myself an outsider - only been playing D4 for the last year and it’s the only ARPG I’ve played. As an outsider I am having trouble understanding what the players of this genre want. I myself am trying to figure that out. What motivates me to play. But as a gaming enthusiast I find it interesting that seemingly over powered build is what players strive for. Yet when a build is over powered albeit by bugs. It isn’t desired. I can agree that one character being the only answer isn’t game design or fun. But it is interesting that players want the OP one shot build yet they don’t. Someone enlightened me as to why or what is your motivation to play. Genuinely curious.
it's kind of the same for any game, you would like to overcome all the challenges the game designers created for you. The devs present a mountain for you to climb, so get climbing. But when the devs accidentally leave a working elevator that just takes you straight to the top, it annihilates any sense of overcoming the challenge the devs created and you subvert the experience they made for you, which is what you are paying them for. This might have been fine if the game were single player and you could opt out, but it's not. There is shared overworld content, grouping is meta for bossing and exp farming, and grouping is mandatory for the raid. Not only is there FOMO for not being able to clear as hard of content as others can with the bugged builds, but you will be straight-up excluded from parties if you aren't playing the meta class
We have a PTR to test all the corrections. SB will follow all the nerfs. We just need to know if it will snap shot your character this week or next week for the PTR. Imagine if banish lord’s over power effect gave 25% for 1 GA, 50% for 2 GA, 75% 3GA, and 100% for a 4GA. I think all 4 GA items should be rolled perfect by default.
Personally I feel like beyond the bug fixes, the game overall need to head in the build changing gear direction. Instead of introducing just another stat stick into the game introducing new and build changing gear is the games bread and butter.
I though I felt I didn’t want SB to be fixes until next season but u make a valid point on getting it balanced. As the next tweaks/fixes/whatnots will most likely not so the trick. Good thinking! 👍
All i care about is Necro and i just want classes buffed dont nerf anything just buff everything... This season sadly is garbage. Everything is so slow Lvling.. 300 paragon feels exactly like how gettin lvl 100 in season 1 and 2 felt slow and boring... Season 5 was so good. Paragon XP needs to be buffed alil.. I blast but dont ever feel like im getting aany XP... Im only 246 and been playing daily since DLC dropped. The grind is trash.
After playing a lot of hours as a spiritborn after the release of the expansion I agree that bugfixes should be done. I am more amazed bugs have not been fixed yet than over this being a conflict of interest
I gotta be honest. Ive got way over 100 hours in. Im running spirit born. My guy has slowly gotten better up thru the difficulty levels. Each one was a challenge at first. Now I am in T4 and can beat most stuff. But I still die from time to time in the Hordes and Helltide. I can't one shot any bosses. I can melt most if them down fairly quickly. I don't really see anybody erasing everything. I do not know what the bugs are or how to proc them, and I don't feel any more powerful than I did running Lightning Spear or Twisted Blades or any other meta build from any other season. I'm not offended by guys figuring out how to tweak their builds, I say cool. Go for it. Im basically happy with the game. I haven't really had to grind anything and that's cool because I hate that. So I say no nerfing before next season. If they dont nerf me, I will probably do an alt and see what that's like because starting with a massive leg up is fun. But if they nerf my main build I'll be gone.
Na i run with people who can literally delete anything in this game with SB... The class is OP af for no reason other then "its new" 😂 I'm a Necro main and made a spirit born just put all points in the poison/centipede abilities and got to T3 effortlessly... Dropped the SB and went back to necro.. SBs IMO r boring af.
I really enjoyed the stinger/devourer build I used during leveling. Now I'm at end game and using the other spirit born builds, I'm not enjoying the class anymore. Give me back my cuddly Mr Pinchy
If they fix the bugs on all classes on mid patch, SB will still be OP and the rest of the classes will struggle to do Tier 100 pit. The midpatch and Season 7 will determine if I stick around. Thinking about playing Diablo 3 again.
Soon as they patched Sunday, my pc started BSOD over and over. They ran another patch later that day, no more BSOD. Roll today, patched earlier today, BSOD over and over. Patched again later, BSOD slowed down but didn't stop until I uninstalled the whole shit....
Id say yes if it is bugs that are making you doing more damage then intended sure fix them, but at the same time, if they are still doing crazy damage after that then maybe it's time to look at the other classes and bump them up to be on par, that being said I still firmly believe we should have more torment teirs, 4 isnt enough
The other classes do not feel meaningless. THEY ARE meaningless. The other classes should be buffed, and the bugs that make the Spiritborn so powerful should be fixed in the way that they are not named bug anymore and leave the effect as is.
I bought ultimate edition, never used my free battle pass because of early game state, I Main SORC and was slapped in the face for even wanting to play the game at launch, finally got to play a SORC that felt good in season 5 to have some of our only big damage producers to get nerfed the second s6 hits, now 1st Expansion is here and i have yet to redeem my ultimate edition voucher because of how annoying this entire Diablo 4 run around has been, sadly as well i am the only person in my group that will even turn the game on, everyone is PISSED at blizzard for how they were treated for wanting to support the game, rough to say the least
7:45 I want a double swing aspect for barbarian! we have the unique gloves, now give us a double swing aspect to further enable PURE double swing (the version without dust devils). please Adam Jackson, give me an early xmas present :^) I've been a good boy all year
there was no problem nerfing barb over and over mid season start of season end of season even if the bugs are fixed spirit born will still be 100 times stronger then the rest.
Nerf buff nerf buff nerf buff. Yeah I’m glad they have idea on whats going on. This way over explained. Pit is 150, builds need to be able to reach 150. They lowered it 50 levels for what. Season 7 needs buffed on classes so all are equal. But the thing is the Pits/Rifts increase difficulty as levels goes higher. So clearing a 100 pit now you will roll through all other content super easy, but other things need fixed. Why still only get two choices in for affixes at occultist when the options are many and only two choices show up. Need gear sets bro
btw, this season is boring not because of the overpowered Spiritborn, but because ancestrals do not drop, aspects do not drop, the run to paragon 300 is frustratingly slow (to the point of people giving up) AND, last but not least: THERE IS NO ENDGAME. The actual endgame is a compilation of mid game actrivities, leading nowhere. I'm loosing all hopes that at Blizzard they care about this last point, or that they are capable of imagining something that feels like playing endgame.
It’s only the most popular because it’s the strongest. Spiritborn is cool but if I could do even 20 tiers less with sorc, I’d be playing sorc. Season is over if it’s going to continue to be a one trick pony.
Spiritborn has already broken what they did in this season. The event bonus xp is gone and SP are all 300 paragon. Meaning all their eternal character are also 300. Next season al they have to do is hit 60 complete the season journey and they are done. I want the rest of the expansion. Wheres our big new uber fight with mephisto? The new zone still has blacked out areas we cant go and just feels empty. And the big thing WHERES OUR DAM COW LEVEL. D4 needs some FUN injected into it like D3 had. Who cares if Whymsdale didnt fit in a dark world it was fun and silly.
I will say this. If they “fix” this game’s bugs revolving around power without resolving the fact that 216-300 and 46-100 are essentially useless feeling aspirational things, they will have destroyed this game completely. I don’t care what any other ARPG feels like or plays like or its systems. Diablo 4 is an uninteresting and generally pointless endeavor. Next season will be the same thing we’ve been doing since day one with the only changes being their incessant desire to both nerf and keep viable the same builds. I shouldn’t just shrug because the barbarian build that has existed since day one has turned to crap, but is still the best build I can do. Same with the other classes. They are going to fix the bugs that made Spiritborn stupid and effective. But the same builds will be the best options we’ve got. It’s a dumb system. And then they pop a trophy/achievement for getting to paragon 300 while obliterating XP progress. Oh, it’s aspirational. Except that it’s not. I’m not going to spend untold hours grinding torment 4 in eternal realm to hit some number that doesn’t make a difference to the experience playing the game. I truly do not understand how we went from D2 to D3 and then they drop D4 and you haven’t to wonder if they just decided to invent the wheel again, but are leaning over to the side so it comes out wonky. I want to enjoy the game, but holy hell these people appear to just not want people enjoying the game.
You guys are the front runners for getting casuals to use bugged shit. You simply don’t get to talk about how it’s a problem for the game, when 90% of people doing it, are doing it from you guys highlighting and showing how to do it.
i think overall this patch is a mess, i don't like how they changed the tier of worlds since in wt4 the drop rates atleast for myself as a causal player/ unlucky person are just awful, the crafting sistem for uber uniques is bad since last season was really worth the time, the undercity tbh is great i really like it
this woul be very nice if was before they launched the expantion..that was a delay to fix things ..so dont bother to make PTR if we end paying for a longer one.. like paying for something u start playing that is unfinished with those bugs is like crapp a total scam
Its no point to lose breath to try to tell ppl who use bugs intentioly and knowing that a bug is doomed to be fixed soon ir later... (Just to add - I dont have even the xpack, its wat harder to get spesifick things, and i have alot of fun and cant wait to log in.. ) I mean every build and video start thanks to that bug or other bug or stacking this bug with other bug, they know its a bug nit balance issue xD but better to QQ cuz god forbid they have to play the game they payed for(2 times) more than one week after start of season... BLASTEMY! lol... How will they QQ then that the game is bad if they have to play it more than a week, I guess more are like me with not so much time to learn a "new" "5000 hours 20k videos later and you still dont know more than 20% of the game" and dint accept that fact and QQ for diablo. Gamers you are in your 30s now you wont go back, have fun your own way and the game will be good :)
When all the other classes are still virtually the same as season 1 lol boring mid game only good thing in this season was some qol. If all of your classes can't clear 150 the balance is laughable.
Well i guess ill jsut delete my spiritborn since they gonna nerf it to where its unusable. Ill just go bavk to my necro or sorc. Sorc is best class anyway. And after the nerf im not touching spiritborn. Always suck the fun out of stuff, smh
Diablo 4 has turned into a full blown mobile gacha style game, anything you do is chore, every loot you get is crap, every temper has a high chance to ruin your gear, this reminds me of a dumb gacha game called summoners war. Class balancing is the least of the problems.
just play the new thing. it's a seasonal game and some of the bugs are probably PR and a test to see if people play more when they are OP. crying is not the answer lol
people who have builds probably looked them up. stop straw manning. players that are blasting now are largely just stealing peoples builds anyway. so they will steal the other builds after the fixes.
Wtf is wrong with people fk fix it its broken every other class is a burden in pits, hordes and undercities also its boring to one shot everything with those feathers
And does no one see that the accuracy of all classes is dead, especially the necromancer, he doesn't do any dps against white mobs, or are they all like rams in one direction
Would be great if they increased the drop rate of cosmetics in the Dark Citadel. Running over a hundred runs and getting 0 drops is ridiculous.
I’d like to see a buff to GA legendaries. Trying to find a good GA legendary is harder than getting GA uniques
It's harder than finding Mythics....
If every class needs bugs to clear a 110 dungeon then the whole game needs to be fixed .
I just dont think its fair to allow the hardcore to blast to paragon 300 with a broken build then nerf it and not allow every1 else to do the same either fix it b4 u release it or wait for the season to end
yeah, I think a reset of paragon for next season needs to happen... But, then everyone will just find a new glitched class to play.
1990: It's a bug. We took out the bug. Players: "Sounds good"
2024: 11 minute video explaining why a bug is a bug and a nerf is a nerf and slowly holding hands with players and gently rubbing them on the back while saying "we're so sorry you're abusing an exploit, but we have to fix it, Timmy"... with much crying.
there is a reason the new generation is called gaymers
@@cptmittelstrahl True! LoL.
Damn bwoi. That was spot on.
I don't like following buggy or meta builds, I like making my own, even if they aren't as powerful. I don't need to be overly powerful, I'm perfectly happy sticking to torment 2 with my own build
It’s not a nerf if it’s a bug fix, stop crying like little children
*many bug fixes. Other than that, totally agree
@@IdyllicMullet what is that you say it like the spiritborn use 1 bug to do the dmg it did, i guess its not so easy to stack bugs, but it probly sux to play a class that clears pit 150 in under 3 mins but when you play it it only goes to 130😅,change class itll be best for you, i play FO sors no expack and i am around pit 90, can finish pit 80 for ubder 4 max 5 mins and i know that the nolifers are bearly clear over 110 but with a pit build thst is dogsh.., out if the pit xD and im having fun
they should make it so you level your mount up and improve its performance
Yeah, imagine you level up until you can unlock a dragon you can just ride over the fields without anything disrupting you, be it an enemy or some environmental obsticle.
You say not to buff the other classes, but I would argue that their failure to balance spiritborn deserves them to swallow their effing pride and buff the rest of classes and re-attempt the balancing and stat squishing next season. That's the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you're just going to piss off the entire community and people leave the game. If everyone becomes as strong as Spirit born then people will diversify try new builds and the game will survive if you kill the Spirit. Born because you f***** up and didn't do your job then the game is going to die.
Dude realy, first time playn a brand new class? There is nothing like the spiritborn(or atleast i dont know) in any arpg game, you want to tell me that you played a brand new 1m-2m old class and it was balanced, you spent 250 hours knowing you use a BUG(probly more than one) so you can do that kind of damage, there is no such thing as balance for something brand new, when god knows how much ppl put more game time searching for bugs in the first week, than my game time from the start of the season till now, I dont know much of spiritborn but it looks like its like the sors, same 5 of 10 items with alitle tweak, better off fix the buggs now, so we can enjoy the class next season
That's a slippery slope of power creep turned into power sprint and we'll be facing another number crunch for next season where everyone will be doing 10 damage instead of 10 trillion anyway.
So it's going to take even longer to get to 300 paragon.
Other than for a title and a mount, there's very little difference in power between Paragon 260 and 300.
@IdyllicMullet I would like to get the mount and title but not enough hours in the day, haha.
It was never meant to be a one-season thing...
@baconoverlord7982 I'm not real keen chasing 300 paragon points with that type of grind with only 2 real ways of doing it every season.
@@stevenlyffyt8768 You don't do it every season. It's permanent... that's why your eternal server characters have a paragon level of 201 already. Unless they are going to change something and reset paragon each season.
Add Raid specific uniques to Dark Citadel. Up the chances of getting Mythics on full completion. Increase amount of materials and gold you get by alot.
Anyone mention the fact that can only use scrolls once per item for tempering sucks . . ., I brick 2 GA item even using 1 scroll
Its because the game is weighted against players. Intentionally not giving you the affixes/stats you need. I once went through a fresh item temper AND a full scroll temper and didnt get what I needed. That's 14 rolls in a row of mostly the same 2 un needed affixes.
Its sad.. You are teling me that for the 12 times you can rerol you coudnt get the one you wanted or you got one 15 fom 14 - 20 range, and you wanted 20? To midmax masterwork is ok you need to grind your a... off and you eventioly hit 2/3 3/3 of what you want, tempers is a nice add and boost the hero enought by simply been there, or its better to ruin an item just becouse youll see 0.001 didget befor the letters, and the season is not 3 weeks you will get what you want
This season is garbage..
There should be multiple builds per class that can push 100-110 each season with optimised gear. Then leave higher pit pushing to one build per class with 150 being essentially not obtainable. We are pretty close to that but obviously SB needs massive nerfs and some other builds in classes could use some small buffs.
They need to buff non-spirit born class skills to create other build varieties. Like there’s only a couple viable rogue builds for tier 4 even. Let alone higher content. And the snapshot thing is horrible to obtain one of them
Just not feeling this season or expansion. I was fine with the SB being strong. Im not ok with it one shotting every bit of content while other classes struggle.
Thats the life of a class that wasn't tested in ptr to avoid unintended bugs.
Liked the DLC hate the season... Season 5 was so good this season is garbage.
@subzero308 I agree. I think they got lazy with the season mechanic thinking the DLC would carry, but now the SB has literally taken away any challenge. lol
My biggest want would be for them to fix the RNG of tempurs. It's super annoying to get the same one you don't want over and over and not get the one you actually need. Twice over now that you can reset it and still not get the one you need
Made worse by this season's GA legendary desert.
A vast majority of everything feeling bad would be fixed if we change the way health scales in pits. Monsters having 850 quintillion health doesn't make sense to me.
Dark Citadel should drop the items that let you go to the occultist and change a second affix.
Where they should change things is...... In PTR!!!!!!!! No, mid-season garbage, band-aid.
Spiritborne being the only class that isn't balanced, was also the only class not in PTR. the other classes have a build that can push beyond 100 which is what the devs wanted.
agreed..the rogue dance of knives was insane in ptr but throws marshmallows in season release
They should buff a little bit the other classes and nerf the broken mechanics of the Spiritborn, also the Devs should reduce the elementals damage we take, for example lighting and red circles
I agree that SB needs to be fixed as far as the bugs, my issue is i've put in over 250 hours and if they kill my class mid season i'm done with D4.
"I'm mad that I"m abusing an exploit and am going to throw a tantrum if someone fixes what's obviously broken" - you.
We need a way to easily switch builds, storing our equipment in the wardrobe along with skillpoint settings and paragon point allocations. This would provide a lot of stuff to do in end-game experimenting with different builds and would explode the streamer/online content creators exposure.
It's the most important feature they could add at this point
that's asking too much from an indie company
100%. Build/armour loadouts would be exceptional. So weird this hasn’t occurred to the devs at all.
Diablo games are supposed to make you feel like a fucking badass. Diablo has never been balanced. Ever. Obviously if it's the most popular class, there's a good chance the d4 population doesn't care if their SB toons make everything trivial. Blizz should simply improve the other classes.
Each class should have 3 or 4 stupid builds and let people rip and tear.
Just no. Why do people keep saying this.
Oh right because they don't understand how class balance works.
The only effective way to balance the classes is to let them nerf sb
@@shanehumphrey6047strictly speaking id be more up for fixing what's broken/bugged and increase the output of all classes. Because at the end of the day everybody who plays these games doesn't do it for balance. We all want to feel the power of decimating hell. The only problem of it is that some classes are blatantly stronger or faster at it.the biggest problem I see is the combination of too much output with too much mobility and or tankiness. And even in a perfect game that would be a problem because people would be running the same build for eternity and then still try to break the game
@user-uj5sh8pz1d you still somehow completely refuse to understand.
Vessel of hatred was supposed to reset.. hard reset.. everything. We aren't meant to clear pit 150. We aren't even meant to clear pit 120.
Pit 80 struggling, that is the way it's supposed to be. You think the other classes need a power boost because you've seen firsthand and possibly done it yourself, how it feels to clear pit 100 or higher. But this was never supposed to be the case. You'll notice the best builds made by the best streamers are barely clearing up to put 110 / 115. Not counting Spirit born obv.
Spirit born needs nerved the other classes are fine. In fact the other classes if you don't count Spirit born, are possibly the most balanced I've ever seen since release.
Play a barb on hard then a sb and see why it needs balancing
I would really like to see four more torment levels to make open-world content more appealing as well as boss fights, coupled with some new items to make other classes more competitive and able to keep up. No major changes to game mechanics needed there.
Maybe something like an item that gets special build specific buffs for every mythic item equiped, like with the set items in D3, or something like mythic runes that boost certain builds.
I just want farming for items to become more rewarding and fun.
While I fully agree with fixing the bugs the devs REALLY need to stop nerfing how good things seems to both feel & are balanced on the test servers just before the update so we can ACTUALLY get a balanced start of season FOR ONCE.
I've been playing as a Barbarian this season and its been fun. I've been doing a Thorns-Steel Grasp build and I've felt like it could go further if there was little bit of support for that. I know Whirlwind is the best build but do think more options would be better. I'm actually really proud that I've gotten Steel Grasp to a 2.5 second cooldown, I know I can get that probably down to 2 seconds or less once I get ancestral gear for my boots and two-handed axe. I'm not even level 200 yet with only 30 in all my glyphs and 8s in my masterworks so I'm not even close to being at max dps.
The "Buff the others" argument is an interesting and difficult one. I personally think that it is ridiculous that no class build has the ability to reach the hardest end game content without exploiting bugs. I think on a whole the classes should be buffed slightly in order to enable all classes to at least have a chance to get higher than T110 PIT. I don't think it would be a good idea to give them all buffs to be able to be OP like SB though. There is a balance that can be found. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing decision.
Ya I would like to see things fixed but also buffed a bit. It's embarrassing how bad the other classes feel in comparison this season.
been like this since launch, people complain a certain class is to strong. It gets nerfed into the ground, and the cycle continues…
I consider myself an outsider - only been playing D4 for the last year and it’s the only ARPG I’ve played. As an outsider I am having trouble understanding what the players of this genre want. I myself am trying to figure that out. What motivates me to play. But as a gaming enthusiast I find it interesting that seemingly over powered build is what players strive for. Yet when a build is over powered albeit by bugs. It isn’t desired. I can agree that one character being the only answer isn’t game design or fun. But it is interesting that players want the OP one shot build yet they don’t. Someone enlightened me as to why or what is your motivation to play. Genuinely curious.
I also sometimes wonder why I play 😂
it's kind of the same for any game, you would like to overcome all the challenges the game designers created for you. The devs present a mountain for you to climb, so get climbing. But when the devs accidentally leave a working elevator that just takes you straight to the top, it annihilates any sense of overcoming the challenge the devs created and you subvert the experience they made for you, which is what you are paying them for. This might have been fine if the game were single player and you could opt out, but it's not. There is shared overworld content, grouping is meta for bossing and exp farming, and grouping is mandatory for the raid. Not only is there FOMO for not being able to clear as hard of content as others can with the bugged builds, but you will be straight-up excluded from parties if you aren't playing the meta class
We have a PTR to test all the corrections. SB will follow all the nerfs. We just need to know if it will snap shot your character this week or next week for the PTR.
Imagine if banish lord’s over power effect gave 25% for 1 GA, 50% for 2 GA, 75% 3GA, and 100% for a 4GA. I think all 4 GA items should be rolled perfect by default.
Personally I feel like beyond the bug fixes, the game overall need to head in the build changing gear direction. Instead of introducing just another stat stick into the game introducing new and build changing gear is the games bread and butter.
I though I felt I didn’t want SB to be fixes until next season but u make a valid point on getting it balanced. As the next tweaks/fixes/whatnots will most likely not so the trick. Good thinking! 👍
pre-ordered expansion, maxed out spiritborn first day, "hm pretty broken surely it wont stay like this", jump right back to rogue right away 😂
Forgot to mention more obducite. Farming it is atrocious.
They should probably fix the bugs so they know what the base line for spirit born actually is
All i care about is Necro and i just want classes buffed dont nerf anything just buff everything... This season sadly is garbage. Everything is so slow Lvling.. 300 paragon feels exactly like how gettin lvl 100 in season 1 and 2 felt slow and boring... Season 5 was so good. Paragon XP needs to be buffed alil.. I blast but dont ever feel like im getting aany XP... Im only 246 and been playing daily since DLC dropped. The grind is trash.
After playing a lot of hours as a spiritborn after the release of the expansion I agree that bugfixes should be done. I am more amazed bugs have not been fixed yet than over this being a conflict of interest
I gotta be honest. Ive got way over 100 hours in. Im running spirit born. My guy has slowly gotten better up thru the difficulty levels. Each one was a challenge at first. Now I am in T4 and can beat most stuff. But I still die from time to time in the Hordes and Helltide. I can't one shot any bosses. I can melt most if them down fairly quickly. I don't really see anybody erasing everything. I do not know what the bugs are or how to proc them, and I don't feel any more powerful than I did running Lightning Spear or Twisted Blades or any other meta build from any other season. I'm not offended by guys figuring out how to tweak their builds, I say cool. Go for it. Im basically happy with the game. I haven't really had to grind anything and that's cool because I hate that. So I say no nerfing before next season. If they dont nerf me, I will probably do an alt and see what that's like because starting with a massive leg up is fun. But if they nerf my main build I'll be gone.
Na i run with people who can literally delete anything in this game with SB... The class is OP af for no reason other then "its new" 😂 I'm a Necro main and made a spirit born just put all points in the poison/centipede abilities and got to T3 effortlessly... Dropped the SB and went back to necro.. SBs IMO r boring af.
Buff the other classes!!!!!! No excuses!!!
I really enjoyed the stinger/devourer build I used during leveling. Now I'm at end game and using the other spirit born builds, I'm not enjoying the class anymore. Give me back my cuddly Mr Pinchy
134T on a non-critical hit needs fixed yesterday.
If they fix the bugs on all classes on mid patch, SB will still be OP and the rest of the classes will struggle to do Tier 100 pit. The midpatch and Season 7 will determine if I stick around. Thinking about playing Diablo 3 again.
If this game was made by trump supporters , it would be the true successor of Diablo 2
Realest comment on here 😂😂 game was def made by Democrats/woke nonsense.
Soon as they patched Sunday, my pc started BSOD over and over. They ran another patch later that day, no more BSOD. Roll today, patched earlier today, BSOD over and over. Patched again later, BSOD slowed down but didn't stop until I uninstalled the whole shit....
With a game that you need to cooperate in to best get the good gear, unless you are a Spirit Born badass is no point in even joining a party
Id say yes if it is bugs that are making you doing more damage then intended sure fix them, but at the same time, if they are still doing crazy damage after that then maybe it's time to look at the other classes and bump them up to be on par, that being said I still firmly believe we should have more torment teirs, 4 isnt enough
The other classes do not feel meaningless. THEY ARE meaningless. The other classes should be buffed, and the bugs that make the Spiritborn so powerful should be fixed in the way that they are not named bug anymore and leave the effect as is.
I haven't even considered the idea od trying the dark citadel. Literally zero intrest lol
I bought ultimate edition, never used my free battle pass because of early game state, I Main SORC and was slapped in the face for even wanting to play the game at launch, finally got to play a SORC that felt good in season 5 to have some of our only big damage producers to get nerfed the second s6 hits, now 1st Expansion is here and i have yet to redeem my ultimate edition voucher because of how annoying this entire Diablo 4 run around has been, sadly as well i am the only person in my group that will even turn the game on, everyone is PISSED at blizzard for how they were treated for wanting to support the game, rough to say the least
Rune drops rate is scuffed, i had 3 mythic unique drops and only 1 BAC rune....
that is called rng :D i have plenty of every rune. 12 bac after crafting shroud but i only dropped 2 mythics
7:45 I want a double swing aspect for barbarian! we have the unique gloves, now give us a double swing aspect to further enable PURE double swing (the version without dust devils). please Adam Jackson, give me an early xmas present :^) I've been a good boy all year
and one for rend
there was no problem nerfing barb over and over mid season start of season end of season even if the bugs are fixed spirit born will still be 100 times stronger then the rest.
Fix the bugs then buff the other classes as required to balance. Simple.
Nerf buff nerf buff nerf buff. Yeah I’m glad they have idea on whats going on. This way over explained. Pit is 150, builds need to be able to reach 150. They lowered it 50 levels for what. Season 7 needs buffed on classes so all are equal. But the thing is the Pits/Rifts increase difficulty as levels goes higher. So clearing a 100 pit now you will roll through all other content super easy, but other things need fixed. Why still only get two choices in for affixes at occultist when the options are many and only two choices show up. Need gear sets bro
Dont you touch my crushing hands
Lol always trying to use the bug excuse. They need to stop the nerfs and start buffing the others
btw, this season is boring not because of the overpowered Spiritborn, but because ancestrals do not drop, aspects do not drop, the run to paragon 300 is frustratingly slow (to the point of people giving up) AND, last but not least: THERE IS NO ENDGAME. The actual endgame is a compilation of mid game actrivities, leading nowhere. I'm loosing all hopes that at Blizzard they care about this last point, or that they are capable of imagining something that feels like playing endgame.
It’s only the most popular because it’s the strongest. Spiritborn is cool but if I could do even 20 tiers less with sorc, I’d be playing sorc. Season is over if it’s going to continue to be a one trick pony.
What’s the point of playing this game if they ain’t gonna buff other classes
Thats my luck. close to clearing pit 150 and the class will get fixed before i can.
Spiritborn has already broken what they did in this season. The event bonus xp is gone and SP are all 300 paragon. Meaning all their eternal character are also 300. Next season al they have to do is hit 60 complete the season journey and they are done. I want the rest of the expansion. Wheres our big new uber fight with mephisto? The new zone still has blacked out areas we cant go and just feels empty. And the big thing WHERES OUR DAM COW LEVEL. D4 needs some FUN injected into it like D3 had. Who cares if Whymsdale didnt fit in a dark world it was fun and silly.
I will say this.
If they “fix” this game’s bugs revolving around power without resolving the fact that 216-300 and 46-100 are essentially useless feeling aspirational things, they will have destroyed this game completely.
I don’t care what any other ARPG feels like or plays like or its systems. Diablo 4 is an uninteresting and generally pointless endeavor. Next season will be the same thing we’ve been doing since day one with the only changes being their incessant desire to both nerf and keep viable the same builds. I shouldn’t just shrug because the barbarian build that has existed since day one has turned to crap, but is still the best build I can do. Same with the other classes. They are going to fix the bugs that made Spiritborn stupid and effective. But the same builds will be the best options we’ve got. It’s a dumb system. And then they pop a trophy/achievement for getting to paragon 300 while obliterating XP progress. Oh, it’s aspirational. Except that it’s not. I’m not going to spend untold hours grinding torment 4 in eternal realm to hit some number that doesn’t make a difference to the experience playing the game.
I truly do not understand how we went from D2 to D3 and then they drop D4 and you haven’t to wonder if they just decided to invent the wheel again, but are leaning over to the side so it comes out wonky. I want to enjoy the game, but holy hell these people appear to just not want people enjoying the game.
You guys are the front runners for getting casuals to use bugged shit. You simply don’t get to talk about how it’s a problem for the game, when 90% of people doing it, are doing it from you guys highlighting and showing how to do it.
Give us higher drop rates of higher lvl affixes...!!!
Well there goes my life from now until the patch i gotta grind out these last 16 levels before they patch the spirit born bugs 😂
Every season has bugs. They can't stop it. Every season is trash. They can't get it right. Stop it.
Um, pure bone spirit necro doesnt use any bugs to do what it does. Lol
I just wish the game felt more rewarding. I'd like to get Mythic pants and gloves
Well I’ve gotten plenty of mythics in the past two season so maybe run totment bosses
@@chrislawrence7624 you're dumb lol
@@chrislawrence7624did you even read the comment before replying
@@byohazord cry?
Can't even play without crashing
i think overall this patch is a mess, i don't like how they changed the tier of worlds since in wt4 the drop rates atleast for myself as a causal player/ unlucky person are just awful, the crafting sistem for uber uniques is bad since last season was really worth the time, the undercity tbh is great i really like it
this woul be very nice if was before they launched the expantion..that was a delay to fix things ..so dont bother to make PTR if we end paying for a longer one.. like paying for something u start playing that is unfinished with those bugs is like crapp a total scam
Buff mythic loot. I kill 80 uber boss in tourment 4 and 0 mythic unique drop
I want a buff to spiritborn
Just stop taking the fun out of people . Have changes next season for a fresh start and let ppl enjoy what they are doing right now
Its no point to lose breath to try to tell ppl who use bugs intentioly and knowing that a bug is doomed to be fixed soon ir later... (Just to add - I dont have even the xpack, its wat harder to get spesifick things, and i have alot of fun and cant wait to log in.. ) I mean every build and video start thanks to that bug or other bug or stacking this bug with other bug, they know its a bug nit balance issue xD but better to QQ cuz god forbid they have to play the game they payed for(2 times) more than one week after start of season... BLASTEMY! lol... How will they QQ then that the game is bad if they have to play it more than a week, I guess more are like me with not so much time to learn a "new" "5000 hours 20k videos later and you still dont know more than 20% of the game" and dint accept that fact and QQ for diablo. Gamers you are in your 30s now you wont go back, have fun your own way and the game will be good :)
just nerf CringeBorn
When all the other classes are still virtually the same as season 1 lol boring mid game only good thing in this season was some qol. If all of your classes can't clear 150 the balance is laughable.
Well i guess ill jsut delete my spiritborn since they gonna nerf it to where its unusable. Ill just go bavk to my necro or sorc. Sorc is best class anyway. And after the nerf im not touching spiritborn. Always suck the fun out of stuff, smh
Nerf em back to reality.
Diablo 4 has turned into a full blown mobile gacha style game, anything you do is chore, every loot you get is crap, every temper has a high chance to ruin your gear, this reminds me of a dumb gacha game called summoners war. Class balancing is the least of the problems.
just play the new thing. it's a seasonal game and some of the bugs are probably PR and a test to see if people play more when they are OP. crying is not the answer lol
people who have builds probably looked them up. stop straw manning. players that are blasting now are largely just stealing peoples builds anyway. so they will steal the other builds after the fixes.
Wtf is wrong with people fk fix it its broken every other class is a burden in pits, hordes and undercities also its boring to one shot everything with those feathers
Lobster
MAGA MAHA TRUMP2024 BABY!!!!!
Maybe this is an overreaction but botching this season feels like just as much of a black eye as last August mega nerf
People who play D4 for hundreds of hours every season should seek therapy. They have serious mental issues and are wasting their lives away.
Who the hell to tell people how they should spend there time…..Get off your high horse and worry about your life……
Na this comment is crazy 😂😂😂... Imagine telling people how they should SPEND THIER FREE TIME?!? Ctfu.
FIX SPIRIT! but hey...abusers allready have 300 paragon on it....
fix all classes spirit needs a fix yes but the other classes clearly are underpowered in T4 an it noticeable
And does no one see that the accuracy of all classes is dead, especially the necromancer, he doesn't do any dps against white mobs, or are they all like rams in one direction