2018 Subaru Outback vs 2018 Volkswagen Golf Alltrack Comparison Review
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- We compare two of the best crossovers - the new Volkswagen Alltrack and the new Subaru Outback. See who wins our Outback vs Golf Alltrack comparison - and let us know in the comments which is your favourite. SUBSCRIBE and join our car community! www.youtube.com...
Compares interiors, practicality, price, and driving of the Volkswagen Golf Alltrack vs Subaru Outback.
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Good review, but you really should update the year model in the headline. Not sure about the golf but the Outback is not the 2018 model no matter where you are in the world.
Subaru, “big, old school” says it all
😂😂 He said If you like a bigger SUV buy Subaru or If you like a comfort and enyoing the driving buy a VW 🤔🤔🤔
Well I would rather buy a small tasty burger ( VW) then a big burger with no taste ( Subaru ).
I've always been a Volvo owner and I went to an Outback. My last Volvo wagon was a 2004 XC70, which they stopped producing in 2016. The V90 XC is out of my price range, so I looked at the 2015 V60 and 2018 models of the Outback and Alltrack. I didn't really like the V60 (felt like an expensive Ford Focus), thought the Alltrack felt cheap (and I test-drove the Execline), but instantly fell in love with the Outback, which is what I ultimately bought.
My biggest problem with the Alltrack was that inside it felt and looked exactly like a Golf Sportwagen, except it was almost 10k more. The back seats felt like cardboard. I really like the exterior look of the Alltrack, and I really liked the panoramic sunroof. But it just seemed like a Golf Wagon with a slight lift.
The Outback on the other hand is comfortable, spacious, and better off-road. It doesn't feel or look cheap inside or out. I just love it.
Agreed - Subaru are onto a winner with the latest Outback update, and the new generation that Australia should get in 2021 will be even better. Ultimately, these are two good cars.
@@chasingcars I'm late to this review because I haven't been in this market till now. I've watched this multiple times because your reviews (Tom) always seem to hit the mark for me. I always seek fun-to-drive cars that can overtake quickly at country road speeds (my cars pretty much are only for long distance touring), yet I now find I also need AWD and raised ground clearance. So the Alltrack seems to tick all the right boxes (2nd hand as this will be an additional car for me and I am budgeting 30-35k).
I haven't driven either yet but I'm keen to ask you about Alltrack TSI vs TDI - which do you think I'd be happier with long term, and would it be by a big margin or would it be close? I ask because you're a strong proponent of the petrol, but for daily use, rather than open road?
As a wagon fan，I prefer the golf alltrack.But Subaru's AWD is amazing,especially when you drive on the ice and snow，isn't it?
Agreed. VW does need to up their actual AWD system to truly compete with Subaru AWD system.
I much prefer the VW from a daily driving experience but for the very rough mountain dirt roads we drive, the Subaru system is superior. If you're mostly needing AWD for wet pavement and realistically never go off road, the VW is a better experience. If you're truly needing a capable AWD system for steep dirt and mud, loose rocks, etc. Then the Subaru is superior.
Interesting that the VW fits into the niche the Outback occupied so well up to 2009, i.e. before they turned it from a AWD estate car into something far closer to a mainstream SUV. So when I come to replace my 2006 Outback (and that isn't any time soon) the VW will be closer to the frame than the current Outback. A pity but it seems Subaru are more inclined to design for the USA than for Europe.
Colin Mill Someone hit me a couple of months ago and I went from my 2009 Outback to a 2016 outback. The 2009 I would say was a wagon. The 2016 is more of a suv. It is an SUV. The all track is what I am replacing my outback with because I don't like the new ones.
I just bought an Alltrack. Absolutely love it!
Glad to hear it. I think you'll enjoy the car!
Absolutely great car!
this is Outback 2017....
Both very nice. I'll take 'em both ;-)
Both have lots to offer.
Drove the Subaru, CVT= YUCK, just garabe, was boring to drive and put me to sleep. Bought a VW All track, it was simply the better car for our needs.
Good to hear you're enjoying the car Tyson.
Why the constant phrase on Subaru Reliability? The verdict is still out on the no maintenance, never maintenance CVT. Subaru got so shaken on the issue they extended coverage on the CVT to 10 yrs 100,000 Miles. Then what? CVTs are not repaired but replaced to the tune of $7,200. Recent years with the 2.5 engine has been highlighted by excessive engine oil loss where Subaru defends itself by stating that 1 quart of oil added every 1200, heck that’s normal. CR has quietly stepped away from that issue. Prior to that it was blown head gaskets. Yea, sure, Subaru doesn’t have issues.
Subaru is better for me.
Summary: If you love driving, get the Alltrack. It's small, nimble, faster, sporty DSG transmission. If you don't like driving and want to be disconnected from the experience, get the Outback. It's soft, supple, and smooth.
Subie looks more off road capable
it is...th-cam.com/video/fAez1x-fPJ4/w-d-xo.html
+Ioan Charger - Outback looks and IS, by far, MUCH more off road capable that any VW...
Excellent review, thanks. Really covered all of the point I think the majority of people are looking for in Australia.
Thanks Dean!
that subaru outback is not 2018 model year
nice comparison only you forgot the underfloor boot storage!
Never mind, I have read more comments and realized that Australia calculates usable cargo space (below rear seats) versus U.S. total cargo space. American market Subaru Outback is rated at 1005 Liters vs. 860 Liters in the Golf Alltrack.
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Lots of luxury comments here....
Of course this isn't a test, it's just a comparison between two different cars.
I thought 605 l on Golf is uncluded the space under the floor and dont forget how the Golf and that automatic gearbox is after some years😢
Ppl are so argumentative in the comments on comparos. Lolololol not passionate, but argumentative. Calm down ppl, we all love cars here in the comments lmao
I know, though comparos are a fight by nature. It’s all in good fun I’m sure!
Just a note, that Subaru is updating the Outback in the Australian market some time in 2018. The US already has the update, and it's got some significant upgrades inside, with a much nicer central cluster, new infotainment system and double-glazed front windows.
Thanks, Alice! We're looking forward to seeing the new Outback update when it's released in Australia though a firm launch is yet to be scheduled.
Sry dude, it's obvious you like Golf, so it's not a comparison ;)
Shouldn’t a more appropriate comparison be outback vs passat and if you do do that, do it with the face lifted outback that should be here next year pls.
Explained at the 1:15 mark. Passat Alltrack is $50,790+. Most Outbacks transact for close to $40k, making the Golf Alltrack a more realistic consideration for buyers who mainly shop on price; also as mentioned the Golf has the bigger cargo capacity of these two.
why is the front end of the outback not the same as the 2018 remodeled rendition?
In America, the grille of the 2018 Subaru is mostly blacked out with one horizontal "bar" (chromed or silver) going horizontally; the grill in your Subaru is more like the 2017's. The wheels look more like the 2017 Subaru Limited in America. For the rear seats in the Limited edition Subaru, they are heated; didn't notice that on your model, though the Limited edition has the rear seat vents, not the Premium model. If this car were in America, it wouldn't be a 2018.
Thanks, Greg - you’re quite right. We just date cars differently here in Australia - if it’s sold in 2018 it’s a 2018, whereas the US introduces model years much earlier.
unless the Australian spec cars are drastically different the outback should have the bigger cargo area
Fernando Diaz Australia measures cargo capacity differently than the US.
@8:21 that Ute tho! That and diesel wagons, a few things that would be nice here in the states
Definitely - you guys missed out!
Okay, so you tested allroad vehicles and you didnt compare their offroad capabilities? Maybe because you cannot go to even light offroad with golf at all...
When you showed the Active Info Display, there is a Tiguan pictured in the compass. Why is this?
Good pickup. We ran out of time to get B-roll of the Alltrack’s Active Info Display; it’s some footage on hand from the Tiguan, which has all the same functionality (with that small graphical difference). Better than not illustrating the feature at all! You have a good eye for detail!
Chasing Cars realised that after I commented.
In markets where both exist, the Passat Alltrack is definitely the competition for the Outback and the VW is far superior. The Outback is a much bigger car than the compact Golf. In markets (like the US) where Subaru sells the Crosstrek and VW sells the Golf Alltrack, those are the two that should be compared and, for my money, the VW wins again by a landslide.
Unfortunately, most people will continue to let their purchase decisions be based on "looks" rather than on "sound engineering principles". Hence European cars will always get the nod over Subaru's and Toyota's. Shame really...
Different approaches to the same conclusion.
Golf is Small Compact Car turned SUV.
Outback is Wagon turned SUV
Can't say I agree with the narrative... Ive come from 20 years of VW's and there is little comparison. The VW is certainly not as reliable as ive had a wealth of problems with the brand with finally lead me to switch. The Subaru's 8.9" clearance is a big plus and full time all wheel drive yet still better economy is another huge plus. The VW's feel cramped inside compared to the Subaru and the sheer visibility from the drivers seat is a big step up. I can go on, but as a long time VW sufferer, I am impressed with Subaru, which we switched to a few years back. Oh yeah, about that ground clearance and wll wheel preformance of the Subie: watch some more and you'll see whats missing from this review.
I understand your review formula, but this makes no sense. You compare on price, ignore the fact that outback has a higher level of equipment, is taller, has a higher ground clearance, higher off road capability and then throw in handling (Driver satisfaction) as a point of differentiation.
It is like comparing two cars of the same color.
I don't expect you to agree given your vw leanings, but for me, made in Japan is also important.
Subaru is better option!
wagon > suv
VW
I'm so annoyed American's don't have a wide range of options in the states.
Interesting... in the U.S., the Subaru Outback is clearly a bigger car with bigger interior volume, including a larger cargo capacity than the Golf Alltrack. I don’t get how the Golf Alltrack has a larger cargo area “down under”-it seems identical to the U.S. version. Also, it seems to me that the Jetta Alltrack vs. Outback would be a better comparison...
Love ya Tom, you're a legend, best car reviewer out there!
In the US the 2018 Outback has a different grill and is more attractive visually. I actually really like the design of the Golf but the AWD and ground clearance make the Subaru more capable in snow or offroad. Also, I actually prefer the interior of the 2018 Outback
Australia and the US must calculate cargo area differently. Subaru Outback - Australia: 512 liters (18.08 cu.ft) / 1801 liter (63.6 cu.ft) USA: 35.5 cu.ft (1005 liters) / 73.3 cu.ft (2075 liters)
According to US measurements the Outback has much more luggage space than the Golf Alltrack both with seats up and down.
Seats Up: 35.5 cu.ft vs. 30.4 cu.ft Seat Down: 73.3 cu.ft vs. 66.5 cu.ft
It’s to do with stopping at the window line so the driver’s view is unrestricted.
That Alltrack is pricey, but then again you must be referring to the Euro market, because VW is no longer selling TDi's in America. The TSi in the US you can get for $29K-$35K, depending on the package.
Referring to the Australian market…
Outback All Day, Symmetrical AWD with lead that VW By Miles
Wow these cars are expensive in the UK 😮
And use the outback 3.6 r if you do that camparo as it is closer to price with the passat (By the way i didn’t know you said why the outback is against the passat in the video so sorry about that but pls do it, it would be an interesting matchup with my18 outback and my18 passat)
Agreed! I will look at doing an Outback 3.6R versus Passat Alltrack, but it’ll be a few months until press cars of both types in MY18 form are available.
I really wonder why Subaru still sells the old version of the Outback outside of Northamerica..?
Sometimes it takes a while for us to receive the new shape here in Australia - up to a year in some cases.
Fun fact, the VW will be in the junkyard ten years before the Sube.
Possibly, though I've run a VW for 12 years without issue - I also own cars from several other brands that are the same. All in the maintenance.
Tom, great review. It’d be helpful to also discuss towing and spare tyres. Space savers suck and in my opinion are dangerous when you’re sitting on ‘80kmh on the M1. Particularly if you’ve got the kids in the car, in the pouring rain with cars coming up the rear at 110. Around town, no issues, but on a trip... is a full size spare an option on the VW?
Thanks for the feedback, Cam - I'll make sure to take that on board. There's no optional full-size spare on the Golf Alltrack which will definitely be a factor for those looking to do long distance driving or light off-roading more often. As for towing, here are the relevant stats here; Alltrack can tow more but has less than half the towball download capacity:
Outback - 170kg towball load, 750kg unbraked, 1,700kg braked
Alltrack - 80kg towball load, 750kg unbraked, 2,000kg braked.
How odd, the diesel doesn't seem to get much greater gas mileage than the petrol version on the Volkswagen . . .
Taken as a proportion, though, the Hyundai is quite a bit more efficient, especially on the highway.
And i noticed that you used the same scene from your outback review when you were going through it’s interior, not a problem by any means but just wondering why you did it. (Still a creaking review or comparison, what ever you want to call it
Audio was really bad from the comparison shoot in that shot and all my comments were essentially the same, so hey 🤷🏼♂️
I've had an AllTrack for about 6 months (Cali, USA). I absolutely love this car. Easy to drive, great upscale styling, holds my bicycle lying flat inside, fits in my driveway. I had a BMW 325XI wagon and this car seems lighter, more fun to drive and tighter. And the infotainment system w/ Carplay is great. It could have a little more power, a little better economy, and be a little peppier off the line (it lugs a little) but overall I really love this car. And a great price point, too.
Why are these two being compared? The VW has very low ground clearance, so it's more of a car, while the Subaru is more of a crossover SUV.
Because most people that buy these don’t take them off-road
Well, where I live the ground clearance is crucial even if we don't drive off-road. We feel much more confident that we can get around in heavy snow, on ice and rough dirt roads with potholes and ruts than in a car with lower ground clearance. I'd choose an Outback for camping trips over another wagon design as well. It's not that I don't like other cars. Sedans and regular wagons just don't offer the same ruggedness.
Is it common to use kilowatts over horsepower in Australia when referring to engine power? Focking lovely. I wished we did the same. Inconsistencies in units are horrible.
Yeah, the kilowatt is our standard measurement of engine power. Horsepower is very, very occasionally used but only really by the tuning or muscle car set.
Well here technically is the standard. At the dealer you'll get a list of available engines with the power in kilowatts. Your registration papers will also mention engine power in kilowatts. But everyone says horsepower and it drives me crazy. Soviets did one thing right and that was unit standardization. Even their aviation is metric, unlike the rest of the world following imperial measurements for god knows what reason. Thanks for the response.
I wished subaru would go back to making the outback a station wagon like it used to be in the 1st and 2nd gen. Nowadays it's just yet another boring shitty SUV/crossover. That VW on the other hand looks lovely.
Фольсваген- вялая пиписька на фоне Субару
Do the rear seats fold flat. How do maintenance costs compare?
The rear seats fold completely flat in both vehicles. We've complied a full breakdown of the maintenance costs which you can find over on Chasing Cars: chasingcars.com.au/volkswagen-golf-alltrack-vs-subaru-outback-comparison-review/
Completely wrong. Passat you compare with Outback. Not certain a subsubcompact like golf.
Amateurs!
Hey Gigi, it might pay to open your eyes. The Golf (hatch) isn't a subcompact, for a start, it's a small car. The Golf wagon is a medium-sized wagon, and the Alltrack is based off that. As I said in the intro, the Golf Alltrack is smaller than the Outback, but it is priced the same. the Passat Alltrack is a lot more expensive in the Australian market, hence why this is the comparison that makes sense.
Chasing Cars absolutely wrong and senseless to compare a subcompact with a compact just to use the american classment standards. Nevertheless you can perfectly compare Levorg (and not Outback) with Golf. That's it. Thanks and bye.
Can’t decide between this outback or the forester
An Outback with a decent set of tyres is a better drive than the new Forester
The outback is a 2017 not 2018
Did you measure the boot space by your own? Since we had some ADAC Tests i do not believe the manufaturer information...
The boot of the Outback is bigger. It is 660 Liters in the Golf vs. 725 Liter in the Outback. Measured by ADAC.
The Passat Variant has 675 Liters btw... measured by ADAC...
Wish we had the Outback Diesel in the US .
We think it's the best engine of the three offered here.
Head up display option on any of this model??
No, a HUD is not available in Australia on either the Golf Alltrack or the Outback
Or feels rushed.
VW any day. Subaru is CVT junk
Cvt with all wheel drive? Then what’s the point? Mild gravel roads? It’s not a sporty car, the awd is a utility, towing and that sort of thing.
How does the CVT diminish the AWD’s ability?
Chasing Cars cvts cant handle a ton of torque. Too much load from large towing capacity to more intense off-roading could leave the transmission slipping when the awd and engine could handle it otherwise.
shayne fitzgerald good thing there’s a manual mode. Keep it in a low gear, and don’t auto creep. Super simple. A CVT is an instant fail, period. It’s physically unable to handle more load heavy tasks, and simultaneously craps out on performance and efficiency as well.
Simple choice : same price but one is a C-segment, the other is a D-segment car.
True, but families buy mainly on price, not on artificial segments designed by the motor industry.
Sure for the pricing argument. But on the short term only. Because on the other hand, a car built on a D-segment plateform (Subaru Outback/VW Passat) will be more confortable and will last longer than a C-segment (Levorg/Golf Variant). So if you plan to keep your car the cheapest to run won't be the cheapest to buy.
Great job on the review. Very clear and articulate on pros and cons.
Thanks a lot. Glad it was of use.
Subaru Outback is a way better car, the AWD system and reliability are unbeatable.
They are two of the Subaru's advantages here, yes.
Mauricio Castro the golf alltrack uses the same awd system as the golf R, which has already prove its worth a thousand times, both for performance and reliability.
+shut your face! and +Mauricio Castro - Subaru's Symmetrical AWD is unique, it's the best AWD system, light years ahead of the 4Motion of VW. Subaru is also a more reliable car than VW.
Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong. The Subaru isn't even in the same league as the VW in every category. We have owned both, and couldn't be happier with the Alltrack. The Subaru was the most boring car we have ever driven, and didn't do anything great. Everything in the car was cheap, and the fit/finish was a joke. The VW drives better, gets better fuel mileage, and the AWD system is hands down better than the Subaru. Anyone who thinks the Subaru is better, has a screw loose...just like many on the Subaru.
+Walter Piekarz - Obviously it is you who could not be more wrong. Subaru is "hands down" better than VW in everything. Reliability? Subaru. All consumer organizations say so, and Subaru have a longer half-life than VWs. Safety? Subaru. All safety agencies say it (EuroNCAP, IIHS ...), and Subaru places all its models among the best rated. Traction? Subaru. When you said that "the AWD system is hands down better than the Subaru", you simply do not know what you are saying. The Subaru Symmetrical AWD is unique, Subaru was a pioneer in this field years before Audi quattro was born, which is the only AWD traction (maybe with Mitsubishi's, or BMW's xDrive) that comes close to that of Subaru, eons ahead of any version of the VW 4Motion.
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Man cars cost a lot there
They do, but don't forget to convert the currency
I take the Alltrack since Europeans make the most wagons in the wagon lineup. Europeans have been making wagons when TV we’re the sizes of microwaves. My family also has too many Japanese cars. I want to be the first in my family to own a European car. 🇩🇪
Excellent comparison :)
Thanks!
Resale value?
the vw is nice but the subaru wins overall
Josh Dollins @
Should've compared the Golf to the Forester
Finally! Great review!
Thanks!
I don't understand how someone could buy a VW after all the cheating and TSI reliability problems they had, and worse: after how they treat their customers...
Because at the end of the day they make great cars to drive.
Aussie Shane VW is the Best!!!!!
And you don’t know what are you talking about 😂😂
Golf has more personality and a real transmission.
I'd agree with both of those comments
shayne fitzgerald I can’t tell if you’re a troll or just stupid. Minus size, the golf is the better car in every major way. If you want a CVT for better reliability, go buy an econobox. CVTs are fine for those, but they don’t belong in 6 cylinder AWD utility vehicles.
That's a 2017 Outback. 2018 hasn't been announced in Aus yet.
These will sell as MY2018 compliance cars until the new model is released.
Thanks, do you have any info on when that will be? Also do you have an info on when they will update the engines? The 2.4 turbo announced in the Ascent would be perfect.
Subaru Outback for reliability VW for problems
Pretty much mate. I base my opinion from working amongst a large amount of VWs... yeh they absolutely paint other cars in terms of comfort, conveniences & are beaut out of the showroom but bugger me when those electrical gremlins/component failures start to unravel they're pretty much moneypits or landfill/scrap metal.
Subaru my next car hopefully, although I live in flat area with no snow, ever! Need to move somewhere hilly with muddy lanes to justify one :D
Well, just don't keep the Subaru more than 100k miles or you might be looking at headgaskets....
That problem was resolved post 2008 with an engine and material change.
yea they stopped boosting their cars and all have oil consumption and weeping issues. LOL@calling VW unreliable, early 1.8t's and early dsg's have had some problems but were talkng over 10 years ago now.. DSG's are the BEST premium automatic on the market.
Contrary to what you’re stating the Passat is the true competitor to the Outback. Much bigger and luxurious than the Golf. I bargained a new Passat Alltrack down to $45000 driveaway last June. With $3500 more for some trinkets like the sunroof and dual memory electric seats. The Passat would cream the Outback in a test, if only for the CVT. The new lower end 1.6 Levorg should be up against the Golf Alltrack. This review is apples to oranges and was made to make the Outback the better choice.
I looked at the Alltrack, but it's ground clearance isn't much better than a standard Golf, which means it's really pretty useless off-road - the Mini Crossman has similar ground clearance. The Subaru has ground clearance close or even better than most SUVs - 8.7". The comparison is not even close. That said, the Subaru is almost SUV like in size since the last 2 versions... Really, the only competition to the Outback is the Volvo XC70 or XC90 but at double the price.
Yeah well, VW doesn't sell a Passat Alltrack in North America. In fact, the only two non-premium station wagons on the market are the Outback and the Alltrack--that's it.
+Art Key - The greater reliability of Subaru, its Symmetrical AWD system (the best in the world), its higher ground clearance, also compensated by the lower center of gravity of its boxer engine, and its more roomy and comfortable interior are very strong points in favor of the Outback in front of the Passat Alltrack. In addition, the Outback obtains better scores in terms of safety: according to IIHS, the Outback of 2018 gets the best possible rating in ALL sections, while the Passat obtains a "Marginal" for the passenger in the event of a frontal collision, and a "Poor"!!! in headlights. At the “Front crash prevention” rating, the Subaru Outback gets “Superior”, while the VW Passat Alltrack gets just an inferior “Advanced”. No doubt the Outback has a much higher price/quality ratio, and is a overall better option. It is yours, as the owner of a VW Passat Alltrack, the biased and partial opinion.
+Maestro_T - "Non-premium"? Are you sure? Have you taken a look at the 2018/2019 Subaru Outback Touring?
+Coyote Express - You forgot the “Front crash prevention”: at IIHS Outback gets “Superior”, while VW Passat Alltrack gets just an inferior rating: “Advanced”.
Sorry but they are really not comparable. I had a Golf Wagon which is the forerunner to the Alltrack. I realize it has been raised and increased somewhat in size. I liked the pep and German type handling. However, I now have a 2017 Outback 3.6. I love it because of the efficient and lower gravity boxer engine, superior safety features and the best AWD on the market.
They’re highly comparable in purpose and price
Do you know when the new Jeep Cherokee 2019 model will come out in Australia? (Hopefully not 2019)
I test drove both last weekend at a dealer that sells new VW's and Subarus. The VW is a MUCH better driver. I'm thinking the Subaru has better AWD traction for the absolute worst conditions most will never encounter? The VW handles better, but rides a tad firmer. The Subaru engine having a slightly lower center of gravity doesn't make it handle better than the VW. Both are nice vehicles. The VW has some pep while the Subaru felt sluggish and the CVT transmission feels weird. I'm sure people can spit out VW's are junk. Well people can spit out Subarus blow head gaskets. Both manufactures are a lot more reliable today than 15 years ago. Buy what you like.
Very balanced comments!
Outbacks/Legacys haven't blown head gaskets since 2010. That problem is in the past now, unless maybe you never change your oil I suppose. VW/Audi still builds junk. My parents leased a brand new A4 last April, and the headlight has already burned out on it! lol. My father also had some other electrical problem with it, I think it was the mirror. The Germans sure are consistent...consistently bad.
MrKossportapro Comparing the handling of these vehicles doesn't make much sense, since the ground clearance of the Subaru is much higher at 8.7 inches. The Subaru isn't designed to be a sporty car. It is more of a crossover SUV and handles offroad driving well. We chose the 2018 Outback because we plan to take the car on rough roads and live in an area with heavy snow. I feel much more comfortable driving the Subaru around than a car with lower ground clearance in our area.
MrKossportapro VW hasn’t had problems for a while now. I’d say 2011 was the big turning point, now I’d say they’re about as reliable as most other cars. Maintain them properly and they’ll last.
Who is even considering to buy anything from volkswagen after dieselgate?
The Alltrack is better!
+Jeronimo Plus - The greater reliability of Subaru, its Symmetrical AWD system (the best in the world), its higher ground clearance, also compensated by the lower center of gravity of its boxer engine, and its more roomy and comfortable interior are very strong points in favor of the Outback in front of the Passat Alltrack. In addition, the Outback obtains better ratings on safety: according to IIHS, the Outback of 2018 gets the best possible rating in ALL sections, while the Passat obtains a "Marginal" for the passenger in the event of a frontal collision, and a "Poor"!!! in headlights. In “Front crash prevention” Outback gets “Superior”, while VW Passat Alltrack gets just an inferior rating: “Advanced”. Everything is better at the Outback. No doubt the Outback has a much higher price quality ratio, and is a overall better option.
I used to love Outback's before they switched to that hideous roof rail set.
Agree. Ugly and not as practical.
Driver engagement? It is a family wagon :) ... please
Even family wagons - especially ones based on MQB like the Volkswagen - can have plenty of driver engagement.
Love both wagons and I currently own a 2014 Outback, but the CVT issues for the Outback are cause for concern and not to mention the all too common and dreaded head gasket issue.
Research CVT and head gasket issues for Subarus and you'll see numerous complaints. Only way I'd buy another Outback is if they bring back the manual transmission which they got rid of in 2014. I will definitely go test drive the VW Alltrack with 6 speed manual transmission, looks super fun to drive.
The Outback with a manual is a HORRIBLE driving experience. Subaru got the gear ratios all wrong in the manual tranny.
I’d rather the CLA200d shooting brake over them. Bout the same boot space, sleek design, plenty of power and of course, the 3 pointed star.
Elon Musk what you also get is a cramped interior, with average build quality and reliability.
Skoda Octavia RS245 for me.
Interesting alternative, although I think the set purchasing a cladded wagon may be a little different to the CLA.
A hypothetical Octavia RS Scout thanks
Chasing Cars or a Focus ST Estate.
You need to do more research. The outback has a bigger boot. Deaper wider taller and has a full size spare.
512L VDA versus 605L VDA, as rated by each manufacturer. We do our research - and it’s already been acknowledged that the Outback has the benefit of a full size spare, but it has a smaller boot by volume.
Chasing Cars manufacturers think of many ways to fake it. Eg the tiguans listed boot volume is listed with seats slid all the way forward and with no spare. In real life it's more like 430l vs stated 610l. I highly doubt that the golf is actually bigger. My old car had a list of 398l but it fit as much stuff as my current 600l boot. Yes you're Vda is correct but may be worth looking with eyes. The alltrack boot is narrowerer, shallower but marginally tall to top of seats. Apologies for shortness.
really a quick google search says the outback is bigger, other reviews say the outback is bigger, consumer reports measured the cars themselves and found the outback to be bigger, and going to vw they say the alltrack is 30.4 cubic feet and subaru says the outback is 35.5 cubic feet which makes the outback the bigger vehicle. So unless when you convert cubic feet into liters smaller numbers become larger something is wrong here.
I'm fairly sure the answer is that the VDA measurements OEMs utilise in Australia measures usable cargo space below the window-line, which is deeper (I believe) in the Alltrack. Will confirm next time we have the vehicles through again.
chasing cars, both your dimensions are wrong. The outback has 35.5 cubic feet trunk, 1000 liters. With the seats folded flat, 73.3 cubic feet, 2075 liters. I mean think about it. Outback is a foot longer. Wheelbase on the Outback is 5" longer. Outback is 3" wider. It is a fullsize car. Golf is a compact. Numbers don't lie. I will tell you what you did wrong. 19 cubic feet trunk is from a 2017 Subaru Crosstrek, 512 liters. Do your research better buddy.
No comparison. VW = bland. Subaru = you are an individual, you are not a sheep. It will also last forever (nearly)
Individual eh? So why do I see 100 Subaru Outbacks every time I take a 10 minute drive?
Ernie Flannel I see more outbacks than priuses.
Tim’s comment says it all🤣🤣🤣
+Tim Meschke - Obviously you live in the USA or in Australia, or maybe in Canada. Take a walk through Europe: you'll see 100,000 VW for each Subaru. That is not an argument.
+shut your face! - Obviously you don't live in Europe: you'll see 200,000 Prius for each Subaru. That is neither an argument.
This is totally senseless. You act as if you’re comparing the Subaru to a Porsche. “Choose the Golf if you want something more sporty?” Really? If you want something sporty, DONT CHOOSE EITHER OF THESE-THEY’RE STATION-WAGONS. But if you want surefootedness, roominess, and comfort, choose the Subaru. .
Er, no. There are degrees of dynamic ability, even in family wagons.
Hmmm, there are plenty of sporty wagons (E63 anyone) and VW's are quite sporty. The Subaru has 2" more ground clearance, which really doesn't help handling.
Handling? You forget. The Subaru has a boxing engine which sits WAY lower than others, it's center of gravity (and handling) is much better than VWs
The subaru handles like crap compared to the VW, we crossed shopped and its a dog. The VW drives more like a Touring/Sports car than a station wagon, its still a MQB platform car it shares certain underpinnings with the R32 and standard golf, there are people trading in their GTI' and GLI's for Alltracks. IS20 Turbo and a tune and the cars are at 300hp without reliablity issues. If you havent driven the car, how can you know its driving dynamic.. The subaru SUCKS to drive. That CVT ruins it combined with an anemic motor.
Wait... did he just say because these cars are taller they have BETTER driving dynamics?? Welp, that's all I need to see here. *close window*
No, I didn’t. I said because they’re less tall than SUVs, they have better driving dynamics *than SUVs*