Not going to debit but the schematic was often a control circuit, this is a schematic for a computer which is unfortunately much more lengthy so printing pages is not really feasible as the circuit board takes up less space then the paper its printed on. I do belief that it should be available if you every purchase the product as you are purchasing EVERY THING in that unit not just right to use it, you are now entitled to the knowledge on how it works NOT the right to profit from that info.
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eh to be clear they are also releasing some stuff related to design which I would never ask for, nor do I think should be part of what is made available, but the point still stands.
@@rossmanngroup oh but if this shows fault in the design itself; make the information public. Any corners cut mean all kinds of lawsuits in their future.
@@jamesdspaderf2883 what should be public is schematics because with enough effort you can easily reverse engineer it anyway. don't need to know about anything else but how the machine is wired up
@@rossmanngroup I would as suitable punishment for their intentional fukin over the public repeatedly I have zero sympathy r anyone at crapintosh or that buys that shit
They have their place, just like every other undesirable action. Murder is sometimes justified. As is theft. Even bullying, sometimes people need to learn to be put in their place. I would argue the only universally reprehensible action regardless of context is rape.
@@mono_si no, I'm just a true neutral. Say hitler didn't get the chance to kill himself, and the allied soldier who kicked in the door shot him instead. That'd be murder. And justified. Say some company had a cure for cancer and didn't release it because treatment is more profitable. Some low level employee steals that and releases it. Is it theft? Yes. Is it wrong? Hell no, even if he charges a reasonable price for it. Right and wrong is too nuanced to be written down in a book.
My friend a few years ago asked to help him translate things for him (He could not speak english) because he wanted to repair a few videocards. Sapphire and Asus cards. I sent them messages with images pointing to those faulity parts that we could not identify because they were so small so they might be able to help us out. Surprise!! Both Asus and Sapphire sent back every items exact specification for free! Every card was repeaired succesfully and they are still working as far as I know. The cards are not e-waste. Neither of those companies lost any revenue since those people who needed these kind of a cards wouldn't be able to afford a brand new one... That's the spirit Apple should follow!
That's rare and good. I had a similar experience with Gigabyte 15 years ago when I needed to change caps for CPU and I couldn't read the values on them. Gigabyte sent me the data I needed. When my moms dryer broke, i pulled the mainboard and saw a shorted resistor. I've asked Siemens, only answer was "we can sent you a new board for 80 euros plus tax". I then went to the board, after the internet didn't give me any info, not even a spare board on Ebay, and ordered smd resistors for all the values that I found on the board. One will fit. It did, but we found out that the part behind this resistor was the heater and the resistor was destroyed again. New heater was 180 plus taxes and the whole dryer was 300 gross, so it went into the e-waste bin.
@@Vihara2 more like it was planned. It could fail earlier and still be covered by warranty or I use it like intended and the calculated lifespan was the result. Either way, Siemens is one of the companies you should avoid with such machines, unrepairable or unrealistic prices for it.
@@LMBLNCR I don't understand a lot of these modern subscription-based methods, as almost all digital content can be copied. It's like copyrighted images that you can only download if you pay. Just screenshot it as long as it doesn't have a watermark and it doesn't have to be in some super high resolution.
@@syth-1 it's not the worst idea. Certifying and having the repair business pay for it could work. I just don't see Apple doing it in a way that would benefit true small business owners.
@@FlyboyHelosim Thing is, most people are ok with paying for goods and services. Especially in a business context. You don't expect your tools to come for free, but that's ok because someone worked hard on making them, and you earn living using what they made. A lot of people earn a living of what they'll do or create on their macbook. There are always some that would take it to ie. Rossmann Repair if its broken and if they could bail on the bill, they would. But most people don't, nor would they if there was an avenue for doing so. Thing with schematics these days though, is that they're in "screenshot terms" gigantic. And almost all of it, especially the subscription stuff, is interactive, it's not like some 60s building blueprints. If you work with board repair and you have enough work to be busy every day - then those interactive elements and features enables such a huge bump in efficiency that a yearly subscription has paid for itself before monday lunch time.
@@perc3136 lol, in my school they were everywhere and people were coming to the class room... It was much worse xD xD But I don't live in the US, so....
(whispers) I'll take a battery , a hhd , a charger. Got any of those in stock. lol. And a little component off the motherboard. Schematics too. . . . I could use one of those...
I love how careful u are about talking about weed considering atleast 70 percent of the fan base smokes appreciate the respect whether ur for or against it
I worked at Quanta in Lavergne, TN as a temp in 2007. At some point we had a virus in our computer system for well over a month and at the end of the month of the systems being incredibly slow and frequently crashing, it eventually completely stopped working. This stopped us from pulling parts to repair the laptops we were working on. (HP, Gateway & Acer). There were at least 10 days of diagnosing and disassembling laptops only (without actually repairing anything because we couldn't track or find any parts because of the virus). When they finally recovered the system, we had to work 12 hour days for 3 weeks straight to catch up. It was absolutely bonkers!
Hey Louis Thank you so much for your videos. I am a blind viewer, and I really appreciate the fact that you read out the stuff on the screen and don't just put it up there like many other youtubers. I can't understand the repair videos that well, but I enjoy some of your rants. And I do care deeply about some of the issues you bring up like right to repair. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Just in case you are wondering, no, reverse engineering a board and making your own (accurate) schematic isn't a realistic option. Just taking a multimeter and putting it into continuity mode and just testing and mapping the test pads alone is a serious undertaking.
This whole thing is like the record industry freaking out about Napster in the late '90s and early 2000s. People were happy to pay to download music, but without a legitimate store front people just went to the shady part of the Internet and got it for free. EDIT: this is why you watch the full video before you make a comment. He literally used this analogy.
think people got tired long before. an album was even more than an entire movie. last album i bought with my friend. he liked the cd case and inlay, i paid half and made a copy of it he would look and read the inlay.
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Totally agree with your points. I’m exactly in the same boat here in Montreal. It’s very tough how Apple and other industries force us to take obscure paths to get what it takes to repair legitimately and professionally their products. Also how they smoothly design products that gets more and more impossible to upgrade or repair, this is an aberration. *Right to repair* stands up!
Louis your point of view is Invaluable, Good Sir. Frank and direct, no punches pulled, no nonsense pragmatic. Im glad to have your channel as an informational resource.. and Im not kissing butt..
We have warlords, slum-lords, landlords. We don't have an Applelord. Louis, you can be the Lord of Apple (repair). Also, Lord of War was a great movie.
See the difference between louis and a slumlord or warlord is louis isnt shilling for apple. A warlord makes money off war, A slumlord makes money off the subjugation of his tennants, The applelord would make money from literal idiots who buy tech as a status symbol.
Japanese electronics became much more dense and sophisticated as the industry was pretty close to being a de facto monopoly during the boom up to '08 while the rest of the world was busy taking notes, a full schematic these days would be huge in comparison
@@egg5474 I doubt it would be _that_ big. You're not going into the contents of the individual chips. At most you're going to operate at the level of what's soldered to the board. Yeah, the chips might have a couple of hundred pins if they're sophisticated ones, but those are usually grouped into blocks for particular functions, like "address/48", or having half of them ground, so you don't actually need to put 1000 individual pins around the block for your CPU on the schematic. Also, schematics as vector graphics files to download make the print size irrelevant as you can pan and zoom around them as much as you need.
@@egg5474 Yeah, it could be like 100 page PDF file full of A2 pages. If only we had some devices that can handle PDF files... oh, we do have those things called "computers" and that Interweb thing to transfer the files. (And I know PDF is not the *best* format for such data but even that would be *much* better than the current situation.)
@Mikko Rantalainen I was merely pointing out the obvious that when a single country advances an entire industry by an order of magnitude in a few years regulators aren't going to keep up nor care until it becomes a necessity. Is anyone genuinely surprised that you can't access schematics after selling out ENTIRE industries to countries no one has any control over and consumers loving cheap shit with fancy overengineered bezels at ridiculous prices yet scoff at the sight of a 40year old HP vna or kenwood still running.
@@egg5474 It's no surprise that commercial companies are going to keep schematics secret if they get to decide. After all, they get the monopoly for (not) repairing things and can sell more products. It's a surprise that lawmakers *understand* the issue so poorly that they don't even begin to do something about it. I guess decades of lobbying is the cause; it's much more *enjoyable* to accept free meals and listen to praise of the current situation than hearing about the problems from some poor guy.
I noticed on Tuesday's video that Tim Cook removed a chip from a computer and put it in a tablet. Does that mean they're suddenly agreeing that right to repair is good? :D
When I was working at a repair shop I used to have his videos playing in the background while doing repairs. I learned a lot just from listening to his videos.
When someone asks you "Why do you need right to repair, you can repair anything in your store?" You just answer "Have you seen me fixing the latest iPhone / Mac?" Because I haven't.
Hey Louis I enjoy your videos and really hope you're successful since it's for the benefit of everyone. I recently had a great interaction with a vacuum pump company Leybold. I had a old turbo pump in the lab that wouldn't boot up and was giving all sorts of ambiguous errors. These pumps can cost $5000-$10000, and there wasn't even a manual online for me to reference to since this particular one was like 30 years old. I reached out to their company support, and they went above and beyond on giving me suggestions, electronic part information, sending me manuals, and sending me all of the software and things that I needed to get the pump to boot up successfully again. This whole process ended up costing $10 and a few hours of time. I really appreciated their efforts, just wanted to give a shoutout to an awesome company.
Louis, instead of telling the customers that you don't know if you can or cannot fix something, just tell them to drop off the product and then you'll let them know in a timely manner.
That’s what he does but he still has to tell them he doesn’t know if he can fix it. You can’t just say drop off the product then when they come back say I couldn’t fix it. You’ll have pissed off costumers. You have to say drop off the product I don’t know if I can fix it I’ll let you know. Not everyone is okay with that because if you can’t fix it then that’s wasted time and they may be in a hurry. And It probably would cost money to have him check if he can because if you do that for free too many times he won’t be able to afford to stay open.
Your analogy of how you obtain your schematics is great. You should use it when they say but giving you access to schematics could put our products at risk.
Apple - "Only we should be allowed to work on Apple products. Only we know what we are doing and its safest with us." (Apple gets hacked) Apple - "Um...well, you see...ooo this is awkward..."
Wired has a story up about McDonald's Ice Cream Machines that touches on "them being down" is part of right to repair: there was a diagnostic tool a third party made to get easy access to what's going on in the machine and how to troubleshoot it. Needless to say, the people that made the ice cream machines didn't like the idea. So, supporting right to repair is supporting ice cream for everyone!
I retrieved my credit card from back home today and have now taken the opportunity to join the gofundme. The last ... half a week? seems to have done wonders. It used to be at three hundred something k, now it's about twice that (plus the 100,000 direct wire, of course)? Here's to hoping the funding campaign keeps on going like it has. Greetings from Germany!
The repair business sounds like a RICO organization. I'm amazed this isn't mafia run. I laughed so hard at the title of this, My sides are still hurting.
If only we lived in a world where one didn't need to "borrow" the schematics to fix their own stuff... Hope that this will change for the better in the future. I also hope this don't get used by the opposition to resist RTR...
this can be done if patent request includes publishing schematics. so even if you got the schematics you cannot make replica but allowed to modify the purchased part from OEM. that way manufacturer can enforce production rights and user can legally know how their device works and how to fix them.
@@FathinLuqmanTantowi Maybe a set few weeks after release of a product, publish the schematics on a "pay for acccess" type of plan. Or if they don't want us to access that and / or parts . . . have a full coverage warranty on the device for x amount of years. So the costs of fixing the broken device is on the company that made it.
The big problem with stuff like Apple is that they do not want their products repaired, even by their own teams. They want you to buy new products because you are just a money piñata
Remember something like them saying they didn't want you repairing their home buttons because of the finger print scanner and you could steal data. lol Well Done Apple Well Done.
You are an inspiration my dude. I am occasionally doing basic repairs on iPhone and apple disgusts me with their tactics. Ive just donated. Hope you win this.
I remember back in the 1980’s having to repair my apple II+ power supply and all of the semiconductors had their part numbers sanded off. Had to backwards engineer a friends good one to figure out what part failed. As a technician, it’s very frustrating being denied the information needed to do our jobs.
Your bit at the end is so true. I used to keep an external HDD media library I'd pirated starting back in the mid 00s. I happily welcomed paying a few $/mo for a multi device media library I didn't have to source and endlessly organize the tags/metadata/cover art for.
I'm not surprised Apple got hacked for schematics. . . . . . Usually they just fall off the back of a truck. My biggest problem with it is it's going to make the people who want to repair legitimately, look Illegitimate. If all this hacker group wants is money, then they should've hacked for the schematics then blackmail the repair technicians, not Apple.
You need to tell your customers as it is. You need to tell them "x company does not allow me to repair a 2019 device you own, you need to file a complaint with them."
Repair manuals used to be available of nearly every manufacturers website. Stereo receivers, appliances, you name it, then suddenly no one wanted you to repair a thing unless you became an authorized repair shop, now they don't want you repairing at all. I gave up on this game of 'Lord of War' back in 2000.
My first experience with this was in 1965 or 1966. The publicly available flowchart for how the RPG simulated-407-accounting-machine program worked on System/360 computers was a subset of the more complete flowchart. Presumably their reason was they wanted to be able to change lower level details without republishing. But possessing that document made it much easier to produce complex applications involving merging multiple input streams and the like. Fortunately, our friendly local IBM systems guy was able to sneak us a version of the "confidential" real poop, which was immensely helpful.
Biggest problem with apple is that you can't get schematic from them, getting original parts is extremely difficult if not impossible. Apple and others brought that upon themselves.
When I bought my house 5 years ago it came with a washer and dryer from the 1970s and it had all the schematics, specs, and every part number of every component.. And I still can find most of those part numbers for sale on the Internet today.
Weird, we're in May but already has the xmas trees stuff all set behind you. Btw great content as always Louis. Here in Brasil the right to repair is getting noticed
hahahaaaaaaa! SAVE THE SCHEMATICS AT ALL COSTS! As if they're protecting sensitive intel from wartime enemies and lives are at risk. Only they're protecting precious profits at the expense of their loyal blind customers.
Right to repair is essentially the right to open up your device and fix it w/out manufacturer's approval. If their devices are dangerous to open, they should quit putting traps in their devices.
Hardware (1990) The head of a cyborg re-activates and rebuilds itself and goes on a violent rampage in a space marine's girlfriend's apartment. It activates it exhilarates... it exterminates Welcome To The 21st Century! You Can't Stop Progress In the 21st century there will be a new endangered species...man. Sounds good I'm watching before ONE Championship MMA
I remember looking through old manuals, seeing the complete schematic in the manual, for an old radio it's literally inside of it, sticked on the side of the case
Louis I hear about you a lot on this topic and my grandparents who are not really up-to-date per say 100% agree with the right to repair. They lived in a time where the stuff you needed was in the manual. Even a part list is better than nothing. Edit: Where did you get the duck
Years ago went to Famous Supply to buy a part for my water softener. I walked in and handed the bad part to the guy behind the counter. He went in the back and came out with the part and said "who is this for"? I said, it's for me and he said while holding the part in his hand, "I can't sell this part to you". Now we have the internet and you can get parts from a lot of different places besides the Famous Supply companies of the world. I've bought parts last year from Stens for my lawn mower and now you have to be a dealer to buy parts from them. I don't want to start up a lawn mower repair shop. I just want to repair my mower and mow the yard.
I commented before, he should have bought an ion milling machine (with gofundme) like from hitachi. Etch away layers, reverse engineer it and publish the design. Hoping it could be made.
I remember when the schematic was printed inside the product or in the manual. Damn i'm old.
I remember that's what they used to do... too bad thats a no go these days.
Yes! Especially when I see those in 'shango066' videos…
I have a couple zenith radios that just give a tube layout. (Will work for legible y832 schematic)
Not going to debit but the schematic was often a control circuit, this is a schematic for a computer which is unfortunately much more lengthy so printing pages is not really feasible as the circuit board takes up less space then the paper its printed on.
I do belief that it should be available if you every purchase the product as you are purchasing EVERY THING in that unit not just right to use it, you are now entitled to the knowledge on how it works NOT the right to profit from that info.
@ Betty Bucky you’r right; same experience here, and why, money rules, sorry to admit, so it is- Damn I’m old too Have to live with it, or to die with it🤥..
Appriciate your Comments - Thx 🤙🏻🙏🏻
Imagine getting blackmailed with something that should be public anyway...
eh to be clear they are also releasing some stuff related to design which I would never ask for, nor do I think should be part of what is made available, but the point still stands.
The duck looks guilty if you ask me, just look at the smirk
@@rossmanngroup oh but if this shows fault in the design itself; make the information public. Any corners cut mean all kinds of lawsuits in their future.
@@jamesdspaderf2883 what should be public is schematics because with enough effort you can easily reverse engineer it anyway. don't need to know about anything else but how the machine is wired up
@@rossmanngroup I would as suitable punishment for their intentional fukin over the public repeatedly I have zero sympathy r anyone at crapintosh or that buys that shit
*Apple gets hacked*
Everyone who wants to repair their apple devices: "it eez what it eez"
😁 is it supposed to be a Russian accent?
@@ffatheranderson No it’s a popular meme of a group of young teens with a thick African accent.
@@Hanja45 OK 😊
@@ffatheranderson it eez wat id eez
Bwhahahaha
While I condem ransomware attacks, I can't say I will shed a tear over this one.
They have their place, just like every other undesirable action.
Murder is sometimes justified. As is theft. Even bullying, sometimes people need to learn to be put in their place.
I would argue the only universally reprehensible action regardless of context is rape.
@@psshatyTV Nope LOLZ
Whitehat? More like Wifehat Hackers.
@@isthisoneunavailable You need help.
@@mono_si no, I'm just a true neutral.
Say hitler didn't get the chance to kill himself, and the allied soldier who kicked in the door shot him instead. That'd be murder. And justified.
Say some company had a cure for cancer and didn't release it because treatment is more profitable. Some low level employee steals that and releases it. Is it theft? Yes. Is it wrong? Hell no, even if he charges a reasonable price for it.
Right and wrong is too nuanced to be written down in a book.
My friend a few years ago asked to help him translate things for him (He could not speak english) because he wanted to repair a few videocards.
Sapphire and Asus cards.
I sent them messages with images pointing to those faulity parts that we could not identify because they were so small so they might be able to help us out.
Surprise!! Both Asus and Sapphire sent back every items exact specification for free!
Every card was repeaired succesfully and they are still working as far as I know.
The cards are not e-waste. Neither of those companies lost any revenue since those people who needed these kind of a cards wouldn't be able to afford a brand new one...
That's the spirit Apple should follow!
outside of quality one of the reasons ive been running an Asus mainboard for a long while now
That's rare and good.
I had a similar experience with Gigabyte 15 years ago when I needed to change caps for CPU and I couldn't read the values on them. Gigabyte sent me the data I needed.
When my moms dryer broke, i pulled the mainboard and saw a shorted resistor. I've asked Siemens, only answer was "we can sent you a new board for 80 euros plus tax".
I then went to the board, after the internet didn't give me any info, not even a spare board on Ebay, and ordered smd resistors for all the values that I found on the board. One will fit.
It did, but we found out that the part behind this resistor was the heater and the resistor was destroyed again. New heater was 180 plus taxes and the whole dryer was 300 gross, so it went into the e-waste bin.
@@Spelter so terrible design killed the lifespan of your dryer, no surprise
@@Vihara2 more like it was planned. It could fail earlier and still be covered by warranty or I use it like intended and the calculated lifespan was the result.
Either way, Siemens is one of the companies you should avoid with such machines, unrepairable or unrealistic prices for it.
Right to repair just got pushed to the FTC today... Let's all hope it gets made a reality. Louis you're the one man making a difference.
If they just sold schematics they could make money off of them and there wouldn't be a demand to hack them in the first place.
Developers have developer subscription ($99 per membership per yr) - next we'll have repair subscriptions,
@@syth-1 just screenshot it and never pay again
The distinction is you can't work on a screenshot, but you can work OFF a screenshot.
@@LMBLNCR I don't understand a lot of these modern subscription-based methods, as almost all digital content can be copied. It's like copyrighted images that you can only download if you pay. Just screenshot it as long as it doesn't have a watermark and it doesn't have to be in some super high resolution.
@@syth-1 it's not the worst idea. Certifying and having the repair business pay for it could work.
I just don't see Apple doing it in a way that would benefit true small business owners.
@@FlyboyHelosim Thing is, most people are ok with paying for goods and services. Especially in a business context. You don't expect your tools to come for free, but that's ok because someone worked hard on making them, and you earn living using what they made.
A lot of people earn a living of what they'll do or create on their macbook. There are always some that would take it to ie. Rossmann Repair if its broken and if they could bail on the bill, they would. But most people don't, nor would they if there was an avenue for doing so.
Thing with schematics these days though, is that they're in "screenshot terms" gigantic. And almost all of it, especially the subscription stuff, is interactive, it's not like some 60s building blueprints. If you work with board repair and you have enough work to be busy every day - then those interactive elements and features enables such a huge bump in efficiency that a yearly subscription has paid for itself before monday lunch time.
The definition of irony is clicking in a "right to repair advocate" video, and getting a John Deere ad as an appetizer.
Yea youtube advertisement algorithm is like the chinese government knowing everything their citizens do.
Good that they pay for their opponent :-)
Plot twist: it was Louis grandson from the future where they need to travel to the past to save the right to repair his grandpa fought for.
I can’t pronounce your name.
Honestly, Mr Face, even if your comment does not reach top comment status, you have made a man who is dead inside laugh. Well done.
@@ichabodlorax7585 hope you good G?
Then grandson Louis runs into his mom and she's smoking hot back then and well you know the rest
Great comment
on behalf of all Romanians, thank you for supporting our economy!
Your high school weed dealer was waaaay more sophisticated than most others LOL xD
Not really lol, should never sell in school.
@@perc3136 lol, in my school they were everywhere and people were coming to the class room... It was much worse xD xD But I don't live in the US, so....
@@SS369 im js lol way easier to go to jail selling in school
we just went to the kids house and hung out for a while usually having them match you on joints and blunts
My experiences have been "come to my locker at lunch"
Hey psss psss kid, come here. I got you the stuff, what you want, Apple schematics? i got some parts too, don't mind the blood.
(whispers) I'll take a battery , a hhd , a charger. Got any of those in stock. lol. And a little component off the motherboard.
Schematics too. . . . I could use one of those...
At current prices, I would not be surprised at a shady man in a trenchcoat hawking graphics cards
How 'bout some flux instead of the blood?
@@Arbiter099 More likely to see a shady ad / trade on the local farcebook market place... RTX "Yaddayadda" trading for a truck and or a 4 wheeler.
@@TM-wm7om What about using the blood as flux?
(Disclaimer: Don't actually try that.)
I love how careful u are about talking about weed considering atleast 70 percent of the fan base smokes appreciate the respect whether ur for or against it
@@the_kombinator what 😂 😂
Louis: Apple gets hacked
Also Louis: Anyway, I got those schematics on a russian ftp server that is only up between 3am and 4:30 am
I worked at Quanta in Lavergne, TN as a temp in 2007. At some point we had a virus in our computer system for well over a month and at the end of the month of the systems being incredibly slow and frequently crashing, it eventually completely stopped working. This stopped us from pulling parts to repair the laptops we were working on. (HP, Gateway & Acer). There were at least 10 days of diagnosing and disassembling laptops only (without actually repairing anything because we couldn't track or find any parts because of the virus). When they finally recovered the system, we had to work 12 hour days for 3 weeks straight to catch up. It was absolutely bonkers!
The only thing companies like Apple want open is our wallet and our private lives.
To Apple's credit, it seems that Apple only wants your wallet but you can keep your private live.
@@MikkoRantalainen trashbook wants that, though. Actually, it probably already does.
@@MikkoRantalainen they arent interested in the lives of the simpletons that love their products 😂
"We believe in 'free market' and 'open competition' but not for us, only for you".
Then, they throw in a sharpened screw driver and sit back to watch the show.
Hey Louis
Thank you so much for your videos. I am a blind viewer, and I really appreciate the fact that you read out the stuff on the screen and don't just put it up there like many other youtubers.
I can't understand the repair videos that well, but I enjoy some of your rants. And I do care deeply about some of the issues you bring up like right to repair.
Thanks and keep up the good work.
Just in case you are wondering, no, reverse engineering a board and making your own (accurate) schematic isn't a realistic option. Just taking a multimeter and putting it into continuity mode and just testing and mapping the test pads alone is a serious undertaking.
“I don’t smoke pot.” Says the guy sitting next to a pickle jar with a big rubber duckie on top.
is that a feature of a pot smoker?
@@bernardo00124719 Sometimes. If there were a bottle of vodka next to the pickles I would have speculated Gopnick not pothead.
Ha
This whole thing is like the record industry freaking out about Napster in the late '90s and early 2000s. People were happy to pay to download music, but without a legitimate store front people just went to the shady part of the Internet and got it for free.
EDIT: this is why you watch the full video before you make a comment. He literally used this analogy.
That was back when the entire internet was shady haha
think people got tired long before. an album was even more than an entire movie. last album i bought with my friend. he liked the cd case and inlay, i paid half and made a copy of it he would look and read the inlay.
OMFG! Your little black cat jumped up into your lap right when mine jumped up onto my desk to demand I pet him! Hooray for our wonderful little black cats! Mine's named Penta Graham. Best wishes to you and your kitty!
As Gabe Newell once said: "Piracy is almost always a service problem."
Totally agree with your points. I’m exactly in the same boat here in Montreal. It’s very tough how Apple and other industries force us to take obscure paths to get what it takes to repair legitimately and professionally their products. Also how they smoothly design products that gets more and more impossible to upgrade or repair, this is an aberration.
*Right to repair* stands up!
Hi Louis, just wanted to say - cheers from Romania! :)
Louis your point of view is Invaluable, Good Sir. Frank and direct, no punches pulled, no nonsense pragmatic. Im glad to have your channel as an informational resource.. and Im not kissing butt..
We have warlords, slum-lords, landlords. We don't have an Applelord. Louis, you can be the Lord of Apple (repair). Also, Lord of War was a great movie.
See the difference between louis and a slumlord or warlord is louis isnt shilling for apple.
A warlord makes money off war,
A slumlord makes money off the subjugation of his tennants,
The applelord would make money from literal idiots who buy tech as a status symbol.
@@Atamosk-bu7zt Yeah, Louis makes money off of Apple, but not quite in the typical way a something-lord would.
Imagine the blackmailers complete surprise when a third party, consisting of a group of repair shops, comes in and offers to buy the schematics.
I think the blackmailers would just grin, take the money and give the data, and when apple pays up, shrug and silently continue to give out the data.
I remember in the '90s almost all electronics came with schematic diagrams. I really don't know when that changed and we carried on as if it's normal.
Japanese electronics became much more dense and sophisticated as the industry was pretty close to being a de facto monopoly during the boom up to '08 while the rest of the world was busy taking notes, a full schematic these days would be huge in comparison
@@egg5474 I doubt it would be _that_ big. You're not going into the contents of the individual chips. At most you're going to operate at the level of what's soldered to the board. Yeah, the chips might have a couple of hundred pins if they're sophisticated ones, but those are usually grouped into blocks for particular functions, like "address/48", or having half of them ground, so you don't actually need to put 1000 individual pins around the block for your CPU on the schematic.
Also, schematics as vector graphics files to download make the print size irrelevant as you can pan and zoom around them as much as you need.
@@egg5474 Yeah, it could be like 100 page PDF file full of A2 pages. If only we had some devices that can handle PDF files... oh, we do have those things called "computers" and that Interweb thing to transfer the files. (And I know PDF is not the *best* format for such data but even that would be *much* better than the current situation.)
@Mikko Rantalainen I was merely pointing out the obvious that when a single country advances an entire industry by an order of magnitude in a few years regulators aren't going to keep up nor care until it becomes a necessity.
Is anyone genuinely surprised that you can't access schematics after selling out ENTIRE industries to countries no one has any control over and consumers loving cheap shit with fancy overengineered bezels at ridiculous prices yet scoff at the sight of a 40year old HP vna or kenwood still running.
@@egg5474 It's no surprise that commercial companies are going to keep schematics secret if they get to decide. After all, they get the monopoly for (not) repairing things and can sell more products.
It's a surprise that lawmakers *understand* the issue so poorly that they don't even begin to do something about it. I guess decades of lobbying is the cause; it's much more *enjoyable* to accept free meals and listen to praise of the current situation than hearing about the problems from some poor guy.
Imagine right to repair being passed but apple charging a small fortune for each schematic.
I noticed on Tuesday's video that Tim Cook removed a chip from a computer and put it in a tablet. Does that mean they're suddenly agreeing that right to repair is good? :D
Imagine if the M1 was socketed...
@@afriendonline8564 They would still find a way to say it's their own revolutionary invention. Haha
I think so!
@@gabriellevesque2185 Like the butterfly keyboard... it's MAGIC!!! Oh, the butterfly keyboard sucks? Our NEW DESIGN IS MAGIC!!
Remember when they said phones were not computers....
Apple got hacked? Best news!
Oh wow. Looks like crapple got the shit dumped upon themselves instead of their ~~marks~~ customers.
Someone took a bite out of apple. Hm.
Not really lol
You know your a nerd when you at work doing coding and you turn on Mr. Rossmann for circuit board vids or whatever to play it in the background lol :)
When I was working at a repair shop I used to have his videos playing in the background while doing repairs. I learned a lot just from listening to his videos.
When someone asks you "Why do you need right to repair, you can repair anything in your store?" You just answer "Have you seen me fixing the latest iPhone / Mac?" Because I haven't.
Louis sounds like hes living life on 1.25 speed whenever he talks about right to repair or anything related to it 😂
Too many times of going against the clock and lobbyist BS in open and public hearings leaving their mark I guess?
Hey Louis I enjoy your videos and really hope you're successful since it's for the benefit of everyone. I recently had a great interaction with a vacuum pump company Leybold. I had a old turbo pump in the lab that wouldn't boot up and was giving all sorts of ambiguous errors. These pumps can cost $5000-$10000, and there wasn't even a manual online for me to reference to since this particular one was like 30 years old. I reached out to their company support, and they went above and beyond on giving me suggestions, electronic part information, sending me manuals, and sending me all of the software and things that I needed to get the pump to boot up successfully again. This whole process ended up costing $10 and a few hours of time. I really appreciated their efforts, just wanted to give a shoutout to an awesome company.
"Lord of War?" Damn, I haven't thought about that movie in YEARS, but the supply chain comparison is a clever one!
the infuriating part is as illegal as gun are they are very repairable
Louis.. Yet again, you have so elegantly explained the unexplainable... The users just want their stuff to work...
Louis, instead of telling the customers that you don't know if you can or cannot fix something, just tell them to drop off the product and then you'll let them know in a timely manner.
That’s what he does but he still has to tell them he doesn’t know if he can fix it. You can’t just say drop off the product then when they come back say I couldn’t fix it. You’ll have pissed off costumers. You have to say drop off the product I don’t know if I can fix it I’ll let you know. Not everyone is okay with that because if you can’t fix it then that’s wasted time and they may be in a hurry. And It probably would cost money to have him check if he can because if you do that for free too many times he won’t be able to afford to stay open.
@@jacobleeson4763 Rossman doesn't charge retail customers for repair estimates.
lots of respect for all the risk that you go through to help us!
Hey Romania! I'm from Romania! Hello Mr. Rosmann. I really enjoy your content. Glad to see my country is helping you in some way 🤣
Your analogy of how you obtain your schematics is great. You should use it when they say but giving you access to schematics could put our products at risk.
Apple - "Only we should be allowed to work on Apple products. Only we know what we are doing and its safest with us."
(Apple gets hacked)
Apple - "Um...well, you see...ooo this is awkward..."
thanks for what you do for our industry and letting the world know of the struggle.
Wired has a story up about McDonald's Ice Cream Machines that touches on "them being down" is part of right to repair: there was a diagnostic tool a third party made to get easy access to what's going on in the machine and how to troubleshoot it. Needless to say, the people that made the ice cream machines didn't like the idea. So, supporting right to repair is supporting ice cream for everyone!
I waited for this...
Thank you, Louis!
I hope none of those hackers see this video and decide to send you all the data. That would be VERY BAD!
I retrieved my credit card from back home today and have now taken the opportunity to join the gofundme.
The last ... half a week? seems to have done wonders. It used to be at three hundred something k, now it's about twice that (plus the 100,000 direct wire, of course)?
Here's to hoping the funding campaign keeps on going like it has.
Greetings from Germany!
The repair business sounds like a RICO organization. I'm amazed this isn't mafia run. I laughed so hard at the title of this, My sides are still hurting.
Suprised someone hasn't done it yet
sea salt, dill pickles and large rubber duck. What is going on with that desk?
Just a typical Friday night at the Rossman house
Lord of War is an excellent movie. Great message, great cinematography, great acting.
This. This is the video you should show people to explain what "right to repair" is about. Louis explain it perfectly.
Spotify is the best argument against DRM. Nobody wants to steal music off the internet if you can get it via a reasonable subscription.
Louis: How hard do you want to make it for me to do my job?
Apple: Yes.
If only we lived in a world where one didn't need to "borrow" the schematics to fix their own stuff... Hope that this will change for the better in the future.
I also hope this don't get used by the opposition to resist RTR...
this can be done if patent request includes publishing schematics. so even if you got the schematics you cannot make replica but allowed to modify the purchased part from OEM. that way manufacturer can enforce production rights and user can legally know how their device works and how to fix them.
@@FathinLuqmanTantowi Maybe a set few weeks after release of a product, publish the schematics on a "pay for acccess" type of plan. Or if they don't want us to access that and / or parts . . . have a full coverage warranty on the device for x amount of years. So the costs of fixing the broken device is on the company that made it.
Thank you, Louis!
Apple, dump the schematics to thwart the hackers.
You've got me sold on watching that film
Love the Rubber Duck sitting on the dill pickles; but the duck’s big black eyes, just kinda stare and follow you😉😅
Lord of Mac.
Cool 👀
The big problem with stuff like Apple is that they do not want their products repaired, even by their own teams. They want you to buy new products because you are just a money piñata
Remember something like them saying they didn't want you repairing their home buttons because of the finger print scanner and you could steal data. lol Well Done Apple Well Done.
Of course they didn't want people stealing your data. They don't like the idea of competition.
You are an inspiration my dude. I am occasionally doing basic repairs on iPhone and apple disgusts me with their tactics. Ive just donated. Hope you win this.
I feel like apple is going to find a loophole in this video to get Louis in trouble. I hope not, though.
I remember back in the 1980’s having to repair my apple II+ power supply and all of the semiconductors had their part numbers sanded off. Had to backwards engineer a friends good one to figure out what part failed. As a technician, it’s very frustrating being denied the information needed to do our jobs.
Its getting harder every day to get those flippen scematics/parts/test pins 📌
True thing 😩
Nah!
Just hack them 😁
@@albyboy4278 apparently 🤷♂️👍
Your bit at the end is so true.
I used to keep an external HDD media library I'd pirated starting back in the mid 00s. I happily welcomed paying a few $/mo for a multi device media library I didn't have to source and endlessly organize the tags/metadata/cover art for.
You should print out a leaflet that you can hand to customers which explains why you don't know if you can repair something.
Now that's a good idea! Could also be a starting point for a political campaign.
Wow, what Louis had said here is just insane. High five for what he's doing.
I'm not surprised Apple got hacked for schematics. . . . . . Usually they just fall off the back of a truck.
My biggest problem with it is it's going to make the people who want to repair legitimately, look Illegitimate. If all this hacker group wants is money, then they should've hacked for the schematics then blackmail the repair technicians, not Apple.
You need to tell your customers as it is. You need to tell them "x company does not allow me to repair a 2019 device you own, you need to file a complaint with them."
Linus just released his right to repair bill video!!!!!!!!!!
Repair manuals used to be available of nearly every manufacturers website. Stereo receivers, appliances, you name it, then suddenly no one wanted you to repair a thing unless you became an authorized repair shop, now they don't want you repairing at all. I gave up on this game of 'Lord of War' back in 2000.
The fundraiser is now saying 3,800 people have just donated and at $531k Linus is making a massive impact!
My first experience with this was in 1965 or 1966. The publicly available flowchart for how the RPG simulated-407-accounting-machine program worked on System/360 computers was a subset of the more complete flowchart. Presumably their reason was they wanted to be able to change lower level details without republishing. But possessing that document made it much easier to produce complex applications involving merging multiple input streams and the like. Fortunately, our friendly local IBM systems guy was able to sneak us a version of the "confidential" real poop, which was immensely helpful.
Biggest problem with apple is that you can't get schematic from them, getting original parts is extremely difficult if not impossible. Apple and others brought that upon themselves.
When I bought my house 5 years ago it came with a washer and dryer from the 1970s and it had all the schematics, specs, and every part number of every component.. And I still can find most of those part numbers for sale on the Internet today.
Mr Rossmann. What did you do last Tuesday? 👮♂️
Guess who'll be fixing mac pro 2021.
Louis is it the ISL9240 you can't get your hands on? They're available on Aliexpress from some fairly reputable stores, as well as the CD3217
If Apple released the schematics then there would be no hacking threat 🤦♀️🤷♀️
Weird, we're in May but already has the xmas trees stuff all set behind you. Btw great content as always Louis. Here in Brasil the right to repair is getting noticed
If I had the skills to hack Apple I'd do a data dump screw blackmail
Get the ransom then dump it anyway. Scrub your tracks while they try to run damage control on torrent boards
Thank you so much for everything you do!
hahahaaaaaaa! SAVE THE SCHEMATICS AT ALL COSTS! As if they're protecting sensitive intel from wartime enemies and lives are at risk. Only they're protecting precious profits at the expense of their loyal blind customers.
Right to repair is essentially the right to open up your device and fix it w/out manufacturer's approval. If their devices are dangerous to open, they should quit putting traps in their devices.
Louis you should watch the 80’s sci-fi dystopian cult classic movie Hardware.
Hardware (1990)
The head of a cyborg re-activates and rebuilds itself and goes on a violent rampage in a space marine's girlfriend's apartment.
It activates it exhilarates... it exterminates
Welcome To The 21st Century!
You Can't Stop Progress
In the 21st century there will be a new endangered species...man.
Sounds good I'm watching before ONE Championship MMA
Literally Alexa.
I appreciate the honesty
2:38 Cat
I remember looking through old manuals, seeing the complete schematic in the manual, for an old radio it's literally inside of it, sticked on the side of the case
Don't be silly Louis, this is obviously fake because Everyone Knows Apples Cannot Ever Be Hacked. Ever. Can't.
I'm being so sarcastic don't be mad I love u
Louis I hear about you a lot on this topic and my grandparents who are not really up-to-date per say 100% agree with the right to repair. They lived in a time where the stuff you needed was in the manual. Even a part list is better than nothing.
Edit: Where did you get the duck
Louis! Your boi Linus from LTT did a right to repair video today, check it out!
Years ago went to Famous Supply to buy a part for my water softener. I walked in and handed the bad part to the guy behind the counter. He went in the back and came out with the part and said "who is this for"? I said, it's for me and he said while holding the part in his hand, "I can't sell this part to you". Now we have the internet and you can get parts from a lot of different places besides the Famous Supply companies of the world. I've bought parts last year from Stens for my lawn mower and now you have to be a dealer to buy parts from them. I don't want to start up a lawn mower repair shop. I just want to repair my mower and mow the yard.
Hope apple pays and they release schematics anyway :D
If it were me id drop all the info to show crapple how much their moneyeans to me. Id ransom about 10 mill then bump it to 100, and finally 1bil
back in the dark ages when you bought a radio or tv, the schematic was pasted somewhere inside the cabinet
OH NO!!
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Anyway
Imagine referencing Jeremy clarkson. THY BOOMER
Your video is doing well. Love your videos man I hope right to repair is better understood more and something changes. 👍
Louis I think you need to talk to the Chipworks company to reverse engineer those simple chips and re-create them in china.
I commented before, he should have bought an ion milling machine (with gofundme) like from hitachi. Etch away layers, reverse engineer it and publish the design. Hoping it could be made.
I stared at that jar of pickles for the duration of the video. Louis was just background noise