Sneaky reacts to "Is Dota 2 Harder Than League of Legends?"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- Ex-League of Legends pro gamer reacts to @DimpleTheDragon's "Is Dota 2 Harder Than League of Legends?" video.
Footage from June 5, 2024
[0:00] Reacting to the video
[5:41] Sneaky's thoughts
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Appreciate your thoughts on the video, been watching you as a pro and streamer for a long time. You obviously have so much more experience in both games than I do and that’s very apparent by the mistakes you highlighted and I made putting this video together! It’s a far from perfect project and I’ll be the first to say that! Looking back there’s so much in the vid I’d change, but it reflects the authentic thoughts and feelings I had at the time of playing whether those thoughts were wrong or right :)
Either way I appreciate all you’ve done for the league community and LCS! I personally have gotten hours and hours of entertainment from it! I’m going to take the criticism I get and keep working hard to make better videos and hopefully you’ll run across another you’ll like more in the future! :)
To be honest it’s not like the video was bad, it just wasn’t a comparison, it felt more like a “what to expect when trying Dota 2 as a LoL player” simply because league’s mechanics were never directly compared. For example you noted the difference in “Flash” and “TP” but not the difference between auto attack spacing in LoL vs Dota, very different skill sets and is probably the most common facet of micro you’ll face in both games (I could be wrong). I liked the video previous to watching sneaky and still do, just felt like maybe you could make a part 2 in which you do the same break down for league and then open the discussion for difficulty rather than simply barrier of entry.
Idk, I have a few friends who played dota 1 and 2 a lotand then moved to league (one of them reached diamond in league, which isn't supr high elo but it is something) and everyone of them thinks dota is way harder than league.
I guess people want to feel like they play the "harder" game no matter what.
because it is harder.. i can bet my life that an average dota2 player who is legend rank dota player can reach diamond or even masters in league. legend is like gold in league.. but a gold rank league player will hardly ever touch legend let alone them going for ancient to divine rank.
play dota2 then lets see 😂😂😂
@@imjusttrolling7944 Not true at all i played dota last christmas it is brutal to start out because you get placed in normals vs 7k games players. Understanding how towers work is confusing and how to drop the agro you need to A click. Using the courier, secret shops, Last hitting once you understand this it gets smoother which doesnt take long. Next is turn rate league players wiggle to stay mobile in dota you cant do this the same it griefs your movement so you need to stop that habbit, next is flow of the game a lot of dota is farming wave and farming jungle camps and roaming after about 15 games i adjusted to that flow and after 30 games started having fun. I think i played like 29 hours i was like 43 wins - 15 loss on Storm Spirit and 30 wins 19 loss on skywrath mage and 17-15 on Viper but storm spirit is crazy fun. But league is more fun to me for the mechanics of out play and laning phase. The amount of awful laners in dota 2 is actually pretty funny.
Sneaky should make a detailed video comparing the two. I would watch
League feels way more empty or shallow after 12 years of Dota 2 gameplay. It feels like it hasnt got the time to mature with all the mechanics.
I'm not sure why you feel that. But after that much time and Dota still haven't got rid of turn rate then it need to do better.
Clunky legacy of the ancient Warcraft 3 system does not make the game better.
@@ancy1205 dude can you deny creeps in lol
@@jaakkouusitalo1094 no. And I'm glad its that way. It Multiplayer Online BATTLE Arena. I dont want to encourage player to NOT doing battle, as in attacking the enemy and got attacked back. Unless you want to count attacking your own minion as battle.
@@ancy1205 keeping it simple from 2011
@@jaakkouusitalo1094 lmao. Turn rate and creep denial are anything but simple.
"the skill expression in league is higher compared to dota" really? lmao and you say you're surprise he said nothing? like you literally said the skill expression in league is higher than dota.. its better to say nothing sneaky.
lets put a comparison then..
1st of all, map.. dota2 has high ground low ground and trees for line of sight or fog. a more complex terrain with better ward placement and a more rewarding for support to de ward, also vission helps in ganks because of smoke in dota2.. its a more competitive battle for vision.
in LoL, its grass, a monotone warding placement which is the most obvious thing, theres no outsmarting for good ward placement other the typical "put wards in grass" no high ground and low ground.
2nd lanes. creep and neutral creeps/jungle creeps management in dota2 is more competitive, denies, creep pulling, creep blocking, neutral stacking and creep wave management.
lol only has creep wave management.
3rd hero interaction, dota2 has turn rate, also in dota2 hero blocking is more utilize. you can hero block on LoL but its pretty shit. and kiting in LoL what a joke because it has no turn rate you can easily kite.
4th, items. its more diverse, from guinsoo, bkb, manta, orchid, linken, shadow blade, dust, glimmer, force staff.. the utility of and importance of item choices is more crucial in dota than in league in which you can just build the same shit in all 10 of your games you'll be fine.
- and ill address the "skill expression" sneaky said. yes skill shot is more fun in all because its the only thing it have.. LoL is like only practicing how you land your skill better and faster than the opponent.. BUT its not harder, its just more utilize in LoL because thats is its only feature.
- in dota2 its more technical because missing spell have more downside compared to LoL because most skills in dota requires timing, like sunstrike, lina stun, pucks illusory orb or shift, morphlings attribute shift, heck even items are timed, like manta dodge and armlet.
Go cook, maybe you’ll climb out of gold next season
Do you even know what skill is?
Knowledge is not the same as skill. For example turn rate REDUCED the skill expression.
Same goes for everything else. Harder does not make it better. You are facing the other player, not the system.
Winning other human being in tick tac toe isn't harder or easier than winning in chess.
There is absolutely outsmarting for good ward placement, if your take is that the best spot is always in a brush that just shows your lack of knowledge on the game. Creep pulling exists in league, you can do it level 1 to make leashing enemies miss xp, you can pull creeps to freeze, etc. Does proxying exist in dota? Regardless a lot of this is more game knowledge than skill expression. "Kiting in lol is a joke" tell me you are silver in league without telling me you are silver I guess.
@@pathet11cc ???
Everysingle league player I have met confirm Dota is clunkier , much more complicate and harder.
It not deep though. You dont under stand what deep is. Having 10 mechanic is not deep. Having one mechanic that can be used in 10 ways is. Well, lol is not deep either.
@@ancy1205 " Having one mechanic that can be used in 10 ways is" AND that's exactly what dota have. Mechanics in dota can be used in many ways. For instance, you can just pull(provocate) you creeps on neutrals and move wave closer to your tower, or you can pull enemy creeps to pressure enemy characters, or you literally can pull them literally to you midlane from side line to give more exp and gold to your midlaner
No offense to Sneaky, hes a pro League player who understand how high your skill expression is there, absolutely. But hes 6.2k mmr in Dota, and it definitely shows from the gameplay, don't get me wrong the majority of people who play videogames are utter dogshit at them, so Sneaky's mmr seems impressive, but almost everyone whos good at dota knows how trash low immortal is. Even if Sneaky was like 9k+ mmr i would be hella suspicious of anyone who pretends to understand how high you can actually do skill expression in Dota.
When i see Sneaky reach atleast 9-10k mmr, which even at that point is still 4k mmr away from actual top tier pros, and he starts playing heroes which are mechanically and micro-intensively more demanding than anything in League ( Meepo, Invoker, Chen, Arc Warden, LD, etc ), i'll be glad to hear his comparisons.
also na server, 6k na is comparable to plat literally
I've always thought of LoL as more of an Outplay game, and DotA as more of a Counterplay game, but honestly, the games have diverged so much from each other over time that asking which one is harder nowadays feels like asking whether kickboxing or football is harder
ye , comes down to what precise demand on the players brain you focus. Dota is much more of a chess-like game compared to LoL ... but the utter importance of microskill with skill-shot abilities makes LoL obviously more competative when it comes to those types of executions.
dude is playing juggernaut and DK and he thinks that's more micro than league
What a joke lol leagues macro and micro are insanely different, and I'm a NA Grandmaster player oof lol
Dota 2 is a joke
@@AstreaHatamoto Okay, go and try playing Meepo.
@@AstreaHatamoto League is the childrens game, dota is the mens game, explains a lot about you
@Juggernaught456 lmao and that's why League is notoriously more played, picked, and streamed. Nobody wants to play Dota man, it's a thing of the past, but league is doing strong 💪
It easy to compare,in dota he is 6.2k mmr highest mmr now is 13k-14k , while in league i assume he is top few player of all time ??? So dota is harder handsdown
Not really lol, atm his main account on league is Master 464 LP, so almost GrandMaster, but its NA, u can get GM (and Challenger) with way less LP than in EUW. For comparison u need to get 471 lp (as im writting this message), to get GM in NA and 770 lp for Challenger. In EUW, u need 768 lp to get GM, and 1078 lp to get Challenger. So a GM in EUW is almost Challenger in NA, while a GM in NA is still Master in EUW.
Not saying he is bad or anything btw, just a reminder that NA is way less competitive.
6.2k in NA is like 4k in SEA or 3k in WEU lmao
i started thinking he didn't fucking know his game when he said "this game has 0 skillshots", then he flexed the tournaments. Jeez man you're probably fucking unaware of everything! i play both games, haven't tried dota competitive, BUT outside of counter picking, THERE IS NOTHING you can do if something goes wrong, fundamentally making things harder. dota itemization requires more brain power than the fucking league item list. EVEN understanding what Nullifier does differently from a CLEANSE requires more brain power than buying botrk to fight a fucking hp tank... (which in dota was pretty commonly associated to LIFESTEALER or the rare %hp ability dmg.)
in general... comparing dota items make league items look like a stick you find in nature.. refresher orb, eblade, dagon are just a few example of very powerful items... now we got in league stat sticks... i generally was frustrated when i started to get into leagues itemisation because it was so stale and super simplified.
came to see sneaky react to him say dota is harder and wasnt disappointed
many arguments can be made for either game being harder, but I don't see the point of that, as I don't see the point of videos like that; they only exist to needlessly fuel the already tribal mentality of a common moba player
True! Skillshots with virtually no manacost and cd is a harder game. Based sneaky
Can you imagine this making sense?
"Dota has no skill shots" Yea like muerta's dead shot, a skill shot that you literally have to ricochet off a tree...but league is harder and more complicated.
bro u literally just hold q on a tree and aim it like a regular skillshot, ur acting like its rocket science
@@meicheng8741 Which League skillshot IS rocket science? Are any as difficult as Ice Blast or Sunstrike?
Sneaky is washed as fuck man. No skill shots ? Oh okay so what do you consider Pudge hook ? On click... ? Actual troglodyte
We skillshot
Tbh, Dota has a lot of Point and click spells, and some skillshot here and there. Its the other way around in League, most skills are skillshot and some point and click spells.
It took months for me to learn league from scratch and I had my friends. Not saying Dota isn't harder but I don't see how his video is a fair comparison
dota more complictade cuase more things you have to understand before play, but in process of gameplay isnt
Dude LOL just realease a mobile game. What comparison do we need?
You don't need to argue just go and play both game and gave conclusion
Dota has a lot of physics involved in it. When you play Dota, you basically can become anything. Supports can carry in Dota which is very very rare in League. If you're support in Dota and you think your carry ain't doing shit, you can re-utilize your item and be THE carry to win the game if need be. That's just one of the many things that make Dota so difficult.
Not to mention the pulling of camps. Not only you'd have to think about last hitting the enemy creeps and your creeps, you also have to strategize how to pull your camps for neutral creeps while in lane. And you need to time it perfectly.
Imagine saying "he made a video and got it wrong" about the sagelane and hard support, when he was right 😂😂😂
the picture shown at 2:35 is wrong.
This just in appearently dota doesnt have skill shots i guess mirandas arrow is point and click
i distinctly remember a champ that has the same skillshot at different ranges for 3 of his abilities :D
@@Insane_Kane Its shadowraze from shadow fiend probably that youre talking about. Yea if u see the enemy first phase pick this hero u can honestly just call gg already
Pudge hook is on click according to Sneaky 😂 he's so washed lol brain-dead summonses rift enjoyer
It's true actually. You've released a mobile game. The question right now, which one is better League or Mobile Legends.
In League if something is broken/overpowered its an accident. In DOTA its just the game.
C9 Sneaky is so washed that his opinion is obsolete, lol. He literally says "this guy doesn't even mention a single thing league does better than Dota, and there is a lot." Yet doesn't mention any of them himself..?
"A GAME WITH LITERALLY 0 SKILLSHOTS HAS MORE MACRO???"
Lil bro Pudge exists.. 😂 Sneaky wouldn't even get 4k MMR in Dota so who cares. 😂
Sneaky is immortal lil bro. A rank you will never reach 😭
Let me tell you what is better in lol. Creep denial and turn rate for starter.
@@ancy1205 >better
you mean casualisation? league is boring as hell in comparison and i say this as someone who played both, literally dota2 with a bunch of mechanics taken away kek
@@elgato71 Take away mechanic? You mean like quick turn, quick kiting, juking, aiming skill shot, dodging skill shot, zoning, etc...?
Dota is like player basketball on wheelchair, clunky, with much more annoying micro management. League is like playing regular NBA.
Search on youtube Fake Zed vs Ryu. Or Shacomidlane Vs SloppyWalrus
@@elgato71 It bet you are the type who think you can just cram more ingredient into a pot to make a good dish huh?
Dota 2 is like playing basketball on a wheelchair. League is like a regular NBA with no bs of the wheelchair.
idk I feel like comparing difficulty is stupid anyways since it is a competitive game and your opponents and teammates are playing the same game. So even if one game is way easier, your opponents are also playing a way easier game. It's all about your skill relative to the opponents' skill
This logic… change the game to tic-tac-toe. Or rock paper scissors. The inherent skill requirements needed to play the game vs master the game are dependent on the game itself. It’s obviously both player relative skill to actual game complexity(in terms of skill floor and skill ceilings)
@@hookedonphones1681 yeah I understand your sentiment, but most of the time I see difficulty being compared to in games is whether reaching a certain rank is harder in game X/Y. So, wasn't completely clear from my message, but yeah objectively one game can be harder to get a grasp of, but reaching X percentile in that game is generally not affected by the game's difficulty
it's zero skillshots but for example you have items that actually have an active and they work as abilities sometimes, while in league you just build the item and forget about it pretty much,you might swap it in late game but most of the items are passive and and league doesn't have followers that you can control or a courier mechanic, and for the average player dota is a lot more complicated at least to get into it
For an average player, dota is alot harder. For high skill player, league is alot harder.
Keeping track of low CD, low mana skill shots from skilled players are alot harder than managing 6 active item for example.
@@ancy1205 I totally agree, but it's just for the top 10 percent so for the majority of players dota is harder
It is by far the harder game. Especially with this massive wand stirring the Dota 2 pot that is 7.36!
Haha, skill shots! Creep Aggro alone makes League a Game of Chance, Dota 2 has had its troubles - yet League Creep & Tower Aggro is just non-sensical. Then don't even get me started on pathing in & around them.
I've played a lot of both games, dota is harder tbh.
League has more skill exoression to it micro dueling potential dota dies not uts kniwledge based
people watch this kind of people? i am genuinely surprised lol
Where the clip sneaky first time dota ??
It wasnt documented, he just streamed it for years.
Dota 2 is like R6
League is like CS2
Dota is harder. Delulu sneaky 😅
At his level of play league is harder because the micro a.k.a skill expression a.k.a dueling potential a.k.a outplays e.t.c is much higher in league its a more mechanical thing to it
I've never played Dota 2 but based on a lot of videos and context, it seems more knowledge-based dependant where as league has that same premise but the performance-based (skill expression) in league makes league seem a bit harder.
Dota has skill shots for sure, there is also a lot of map timing and wave control which is important to know
there are a lot of skillshots in Dota still, just not on every hero. After playing both, Dota is the more difficult game to me by far. League's gameplay is faster paced though so there's a lot of outplay and juke scenarios. These juke scenarios exist in Dota but they are rarer and usually apparent in extremely high-level play and involve complex item, spell, vision and movement interactions.
What these videos never mention is that you can have like 5 abilites and 5 active items that you all need to activate on the right target in the manner of just a few seconds late game. Theres no flashy combos and not as many skillshots but theres still a lot of precision and reaction required in late game fights
@@h4xnslash900 like a raid in an RPG?
@@Dameionaruto Ehh depends on your role I guess. For a carry it can be like: First using all normal abilites right (obv) Then hitting abyssal blade on enemy carry to stun then. Use manta to dodge a stun incoming. Use satanic to dispel maybe a silence while also gaining lifesteal. Carries (hard carries) generally have the least. For supports it can be using all your abiliites good. Support ults are usually extremely important so gotta hit that right. Gotta use force staff in my teammate to get him out if danger. Gotta use hex on enemy carry before he has a chance to bkb. Gotta use generic heal item as my midlaner is low. Gotta use glimmer on myself to force enemy to disengage/switch target etc. Pretty much the biggest active a support will have in league is using locket for a measly 200-300 shield that barely matters or shurelyas for ms buff which sometimes matters. As a support in dota you have both more actives but also more important ones. You also get more abilites (or improved/changed abilites) by agahnims shard/scepter which increases the amount of stuff you have to do. As a mid player I dread having to go support when I need priority games since there's so much more to do if you want to play your best. It's probably easier once you're used to it but there's still a shit ton of things to do which I think league players usually downplay just because it doesn't look as flashy. In my experience it's a lot easier to do a flashy zed combo than to hit all my items and abilites right in a late game dota fight. Only difference with skill shots is that you have to take into account the travel time but tbh it's not even that hard if you're used to it. If you have played any kind of ball sport then your subconscious just does it for you most of the time
I should have watched the original instead of a reaction video...
Dota is harder because its actually a team based game and you have to be a team to actually win the game, map control is way more important and comeback actually felt possible because of it and more hero actually felt more viable
League is a game where one guy can steamrolled the whole game, every game pretty much have the same pacing regardless of the champ, but there's more opportunities for outplay for you as a player
Note that harder does not mean better. And in this case, it doesn't mean anything, since everything you said apply for both side.
Bro, you didnt say about Dota, you said about MOBA GAME where team play is important. What kins of games did you see where 1 person can won game against 5 enemy??? This is impossible except lowest ranged. What actually have also a Dota 2🤦🏻♂️. Every Moba game need control mid is important and team play importants🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@oswaldride796 Exactly. That why adc in lol are squishy and can be killed no matter how fed they are. You miss your skillshot? You died, no matter how fed you are.
Which is the same reason why Dota player complain how they can't carry with adc, while they praise Dota carry as literal Raid boss.
@@ancy1205 dude. So you want it easier? Cmon. So easier much better. Test your mind a little bit kid.
@@kvids155 which English phrase you have red that make you think I want it easier?
The simple fact that you failed to understand is that this game is player vs player. Hard or easy depend entirely on the player.
Try think a little will you? Kid.
Massive cope.
dota is for real men while league is for women. 😂😂😂
I don't play Dota but from what I heard from people league has harder micro but Dota has harder macro since there is more things to do.
In general, LoL has more mecanic skill expression, but characters (heroes) like Invoker and Meepo outstand the dificult of any champ in lol
Dota 2 micro is different from League's. Playing Meepo is just an easier version of StarCraft.
@@Nightwalk444Chen, arc warden, lycan, lone druid, the list goes on of micro heroes
@@tylerwilson9633 Yeah and the whole list utilizes a different micro skill than Yasuo, Irelia, Riven, Lee Sin, Nidalee, Fiora.
@@leonidasbraga6074 absolutely spot on! League is mechanically intensive, but heroes like meepo/invoker/arc warden etc etc are far more mechanically and micro demanding than anything in League
that video has to be godlike satire. theres no way you can keep saying you have 10 years in league and then played only 5 days in dota back to back like that and not have it be a punchline
bro fucking boosted hahaha
Biggest W for dota is dota 2 have dota2vs lol as mod in its archive🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dota 2 past is different present way many change and will different to future expect lol never change.
It changing, and we hate it.
dota 2 is like a chess while lol is for babies
Dota 2 is like basket ball on wheelchair while lol is like NBA
Do you seen a dota player go to league , got the high rank and confirmed it's easy ?? By the way your 2 year and 6000 rank pretty normal , and dota don't had skill shot ?? I bet for 2 year you can't even touches invoker bcs it's too complicated
League has mire dueling potential a.k.a outplay and skill expression like amy real life sport dota on the other hand is knowledge based. There is a reason league is more popular because info congestion does not equal better.
League is more popular due to low barrier of entry, same reason football is so popular.
Bud League has ABSOLUTELY 0 more complicated mechanics than Dota, I almost cried laughing when you started thinking League has better micro management skills🤣 Pretty clear you have less than 100 hours on Dota and 95% of your life on League of Legends so maybe stay away from comparisons you dont know shit about
May I ask what's your rank on dota? I only have 1k hours on it but I have more on League. Also what is a good rank in Dota where you are considered "good"?
As usual, Dota player being clueless about basic concept. More micro or more complex does not equal better.
@@ancy1205 better is subjective you goof, lets start with more complicated🤣
@@SteamIQ no. We have a whole school of game designer to analyze that "better", and an extremely reliable metric to measure that is the size of player base.
Need I say anything more?
Money talk.
@@ancy1205 according to your own logic Fortnite is the better game than both?? Because it has more players huh😂😂😂
Bro is hating to hate huh.
very bad interpretation. this is straight bias to league side. he litereally didn't want to know why dota is harder, he just want to push his side of leauge is harder LMAO. very bad mindset from a player that sits on high rank in leauge
Huge cope. LOL is baby’s first Dota. I love both, and both are fun in different ways, but come on man! Trying to defend league as “just as hard” is huge cope.
It is just as hard because what you are facing, or at least suppose to, are another human being, not the system.
Chess vs tick tac toe, which one is harder to get a win?
Hots is harder than lol
Dota 2's TI Champion Yatoro: LoL is bad because of Non-target skill.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol players so poor that tries to aim with skills. Thats it. Pro gamer is crying about non-target while average LoL-players do this everyday😂😂😂😂
What's this chick's problem, Dota is way harder it's not even comparable. She thinks skillshots are micro? Eh?
Yes. Skill shot carry the intention of the other players. You have to dodge, bait, aim, zone on the fly.
Both are hard because you need to force yourself to play this garbage.
I feel like Dota is the harder game but league is harder because it has so much more players that when you’re playing, the relative level is higher. Simply put, more people are competing to be gold+ than the ranks in dota. So when you’re fighting the equivalent of gold in Dota, the ranks feel weaker than in league.
what are you an idiot? league players dont know how to use brain 😂
SNEAKY IS 6K?? WORD? I started with Dota and then came to LoL and fell in love with it. I love both (its a different kind of love for both but equal), and I completely agree with Sneaky. My hot take of Dota players, specifically certain high profile pros and their takes on league is that almost 100% of them (except for the ones that say they have no opinion) are completely delusional and/or lying to everyone shamelessly.
Why is this trans man like this
Dota has heroes as simple as wraith king with literally one button to press (point and click stun) in his kit and as hard as meepo which have you control up to 6 heroes at once. League's got skillshots and champion combos. And while I agree that league's skillshots and champion combos are hard to master, it doesn't even matter since today's league is just who oneshots the other person first. If league champions had the survivability to be able to meaningfully use their combos and skillshots out of the laning phase it would be harder when it comes to micro. But that's not the case. Plus dota also has it's fair share of skillshots and combos as well, although not as intense as irellia, riven or samira's combos. But that's compensated by having up to 7 active items and up to 6 active spells and controlable summons, half of which with usable skills. Also dota has some heroes and items that when paired with some good reaction speed can do wild stuff. When you've got 8 buttons to press, there really isn't a reasonable way to make every skill a skillshot like in league, although funnily enough some of the skillshot heavy characters do use a lot of active item and do have summons. Macrowise dota is definitely a lot harder, league's map is very small and has very little map mechanics and the game itself in it's core is also simpler. When it comes to macro the only harder role in league is jungler, since it requires you to read both teams, the map and plan your clear and gank route. Support is second but even that doesn't come close to the amount of macro you need to play dota well on any role. Macrowise dota is like playing jungle on crack no matter what role you're on. The only macro outside of jungle in the early game that's important in league is objectives and splitpushing/dealing with splitpushing. In league you know what you're opponents are planning on and where they are for most of the time and it's a question of reacting to that adequately, in dota it's also important to react adequately but you have to first guess where your opponents are and what they're planning and that's the hard part.
Oh and one more important thing, in league there's a lot of players, including challangers and pro players that one trick characters. That's impossible in dota, the drafting and team composition and couters are much much more important than in league. I'm not talking about just losing lane, i'm talking about a ceratain hero or a hero that favours buying a certain item making the game completely unplayable for a certain other hero.
Anyway I can go on and on but I've been playing league since 2011 and dota since 2012 (tried it when it was a w3 mode even before that in like 2006 but only appreciated it when it became a standalone game) and I can confidently say dota is much harder than league on an avarage and casual level. On a highly competitive level both games are pretty hard but I do still think because of the macro and unless the meta favors micro light heroes (like right now by the way) , dota will still get the edge.
imagine a game so simple you can play it on a mobile version.. dota2 could never have that kind of simplicity. what a joke this guy is trying to defend LoL. makes me want to scream holy shit.
MOBA pro gamers arguing about skill 🤣🤣🤣🤣ahahah
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@@Nyxianmeows bruh yall have 8 buttons and 5 things to think about and the game is 70% luck+RNG, literally no skill involved and the little skill that is involved, has such a low ceiling its insane hahahahahah
@@nogerboher5266 This has to be a troll comment.. I hope. U never know these days.
This guy is joking. Has to be. I'm a professional League player and it's more than just 8 buttons and RNG, the map, wave, obj,control is much harder than almost any other game , other than atarcraft 2
@@nogerboher5266 what game do you play?
Dota is the sun
Lol is the moon.
Does the moon shines brighter than the sun?
What stupid question ofc dota is harder than lol. I dare to pick a lol player into dota and see the struggle compared to a dota player playing LOL
Wtf
May I ask what's your rank? I played LoL quite a lot and I switched to Dota. What is a good rank for this game?
dota has , from my understanding, a high skill shilling but that doesn't make it a harder game to climb with because you are against other humans not bots . League has more players so it has potentially more talented players, so league should be harder
the skill in dota is higher because the only people that play it no life it so compared to new players they will be way better, league has a way larger player base so the skill level spectrum is way longer
people who play data have no life is your argument ? have you seen league players? from bronze to challenger you see players that play hundreds or thousands of games
I think Dota is harder than League. It's also a more boring game and an even worse new player experience than league, which is crazy.
Nothing more boring than watching league pro games go 0-0 until 15 minutes. Idk how any clown could think a game with heroes like invoker and the kind of crazy plays available with a better item system is somehow MORE boring than league😂. I play both and now league is my retirement home
@@user-gl3jn9cp1b Thats the thing though league is like football the game ends 1-0 but like 20 shots and dota is like basketball each time scores 90 points. You gank someone 3v1 and kill them and they just try walk away and die. In league you fight 1v1 and both get out with 200 hp or skirmish happens you die or escape on the edge of your hp bar. Even if you watch pro level dota from a league players point of view they look like bronze players getting caught over extending but thats just how the game is. IF you overextend in league and die your considered a noob in dota its considered normal because you have more stealth and tps and less vision control over big areas. This doesnt mean dota is bad both games just dont play that similar and if you played both you would understand that if you love constant action and games ending in 20-30 minutes you will like league.
@@xazarl3381 buddy I do play both. Basketball and football is a terrible comparison but it will take a while to really break that one down. The reason you die from overextension a lot more in dota is because heroes have crazy map movements and blinks available to them, they can TP, vision radii are smaller for half the game, and the map is absolutely huge. But it's actually a lot harder to kill a lot of heroes in dota, and the time to kill is way longer - more kills happen because the game fundamentally rewards aggressive teamplay and strategy.
Simply put, dota puts a lot more of the focus into strategic play, team movement, map control as a group (with smokes etc), item selection (from a vastly better item pool, with insane flexibility and use cases), hero functionality (in which most heroes are in fact not just better or worse versions of one another). For example, you have to think creatively to push into a hero that can cast a spell from a screen away that can melt your whole team. For a notable number of the heroes, the micro is equivalent or less to league, but the most difficult dota heroes would absolutely melt league players brains, and you start to notice that a lot of league champs are just watered down versions of their dota counterparts (e.g. Hwei with Invoker, Ivern with Chen, Corki with Gyrocopter). Teamfights late game can last 60 seconds or more and are mechanical masterpieces. In many regards it's what early league tried to be before it pivoted into this.
League now reduced the time to kill by an insane amount and puts a lot more focus into flashy 1v1 duels and skillshot slinging, dashes, basically eye candy. It's actually a lot easier to kill champs but deaths are more infrequent in pros because the game is largely figured out and the map is too small with too little mobility to make plays on isolated targets or things similar to smoke ganks possible. The item system is lifeless and you can hail mary the same core items every game. Many of the champs are stale and no reason to pick some of them over their meta counterparts (and worlds metas become the same rotating cast every game, down to pick order).
Don't get me wrong, I still play it because it's still fun with friends but tbh if you know the history of the game it was designed to be a version of dota 1 that could sell skins and access a casual market. That's what it is. And the company behind it doesn't really show it an ounce of the love that Valve has shown dota and its fans over the years. Every year I play it I realize Riot just uses this as a skin factory. The balancing is boring and amateurish, they remove basic functionality like chat and pinging, and they even restrict how you can play in game.
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"Constant action"
The game: 0-0 at min 15
@@xazarl3381That's becouse LoL has smaller map with more wards, more mobility and less cc.
Bad positioning in dota = you die.
Bad positioning in LoL = you might have to use flash.
LoL has no smokes, no ghost pushing, very few relevant objectives, the macro is just "catch waves and have prio", enemy team can't all be off map for a long time, it just doesn't work.
While in dota, this can happen, map is more dangerous, information is more scarce and you are more fragile (unless you can bkb tp)