I've been interested in pigeons for just over ten years now. Finally I have one of my own and I've joined a local club. I wanted to look more into genetics - it's interested me in other species I share my home with, but as I don't plan to breed it's seemed too complex. Your videos make me believe I can finally get my head round the basics at least. I'll be watching this one again. Thanks.
Glad you liked it mate, I'm planning to do a whole big series on it explaining everything I've learned over my life with pigeons. I'll eventually make videos teaching people how to breed all the different kinds and colours.
I am not the brightest student but think i can grasp some of what you say, I will persevere with the video until I understand it all. All I can say is for such a complicated subject you've dissected it and explained it beautifully I don't think anyone could cover so much with such clarity. Thankyou for sharing your knowledge
Hi I have a question about recessive red. I know my closed flock of Danzig high flyers have produced rec red in the past but I was wondering if there is any way of telling weather or not they are still carrying it? I do not have any reds or ever bred one. I know in my chickens I bred a lavender after 15 years of line breeding.
I guess the easiest way would be to get a recessive red of any breed and pair it to your birds. If yours carries rec red, approx 50% of the young will be rec red.
Adam Archer Pigeons I feared that might be the cast. I have had this flock closed and isolated from other pigeons for a very long time and I have not had any of the viruses that are around today. In short I am too afraid to bring in any birds
Adam Archer Pigeons someone once told me that light yellowish stripes on the juvenile fathers on the head of a blue bar this could mean rec red. Is this true?
Hey! I have a question: if you can have two recessive alleles, can you have two dominant alleles? What happens then? Thank you so much for this video. I'm not a hobbyist but got curious when I noticed how different patterns pigeons can have.
Pigeons have two spaces at each loci, so if we use the pattern locus as an example: if you have two copies of barless then there is no space for a more dominant allele like check. But that is just this single locus out of the thousands, you can definitely have a dominate allele like grizzle at it's loci too!
Hi Adam, i know you produce videos on pigeon colours but was wondering if you could help me with the genetics of wattle production as in Carriers, i have had a look around but can't find any information, Carriers are relatively easy to breed but difficult to breed birds with good wattles, any ideas ?
Thanks for informing this i got confused in birds that it is XY and XX means the father is responsible for the offspring but in birds the female is that is what i understand today.ZZ and ZW. Also i didn't know that recombination and there is even a thing called epistatis. Also Lethality is quite puzzling.
If I had two birds, a male and a female, Each bird carries in the genes a specific characteristic that differs from the other bird What is the best production line that can be used to produce a bird that carries the two traits (which combine in its genes) the traits of the parents and be visible on it?
Hi Adam. If ash red is dominant over blue base color why are there much more blue wild as well as domestic pigeons? I see very few ash red pigeons in the wild as well as domestic lofts compared to blue ones. Thanks for your videos.
Sex is determined by the Z and W chromosomes. Babies always get a Z chromosome from their father, and will get a Z or W from their mother. So it is a 50/50 chance. It is possible to have one of each, or two males, or two females in the nest. You'll get two males approx 25% of the time.
Hi Adam I wonder if you can help me out. I am looking for a Racing pigeon that carries indigo. I am trying to produce the andalusian colour into my birds. I have the blacks however I do not have a racer with the indigo gene. I am prepared to pay for the bird as well as pay for the transportation from you to me in Perth Western Australia. Looking forward to hearing from you with a positive result. Thank you in advance Barney.
First of all, this is really informative to a hobbyist like me. Thank you for your work. I also happen to have a question for you. I have a extreme dilute lemon colored female crossbred pigeon(still in molting stage and not sure whether this is the name for this color, but surely I ve never seen this color anywhere else other than in one of your videos). What could be the possible results if I pair it with a blue chequered Homer male?
You will just get blues, however the young cocks will be carriers of dilute. If you pair one of these sons back to the dilute mother, you'll produce more like her.
@@AdamArcherPigeons thank you for the reply Adam! If you don't mind, one more question. Do you have any suggestion about, what should be the male bird phenotype to produce more dilute colored chicks ?
@@rejoysebastian7215 Any male produced from a dilute hen will always carry the dilute gene, no matter his phenotype. If you pair him to his dilute mother, you'll produce male and female dilutes, as well as some non-dilutes, but again all the males will definitely carry dilute.
I'm researching about pigeons (tumblers), I saw your video about genetics. Thank you for the valuable information. There are more than one rule in the tumbler pigeon. It can take a very long time to obtain the desired genotype. When you combine book A and book B, the resulting book is weaker.🤷🏻♂️ I want you to give me tactics Please thank you Sir
Hi Adam I founf this video very interesting. I have a question for you what two colours does one have to pair together to produce a indigo coloured bird? Thanks Danny.
@@AdamArcherPigeons Hi Adam thank you ever so much for your reply. Could you tell me where I could buy myself an Racing pigeon which is indigo in colour. I live in Perth Western Australia and I would dearly love to breed some andalusian racers. I am willing to pay to get one. I already have black racing pigeons both hens and cocks to pair to the indigo. Thank you in advance. Danny.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge , it is very usefull information. I have a question or two. In most colors , blue or red ash for example there is a scale of intensity of the color. A blue can go from very dark blue to a clear almost silvery blue.(I don't mean deluded or so but just blue) Is there a genetic reason for this and how does it work? Second question Do you know someone in my region where I could get barless blue or reds? Greetings from Belgium.
Hi Marc, yes, often the difference is the "dirty" gene. I'll make a video about it in the future, but you should be able to find information on line. There are also other genes that have an impact, but "dirty" is the most common. Sorry, I don't know where you can get barless pigeons in Belgium.
Ok I need some advice. I’m wanting to do some selective breeding next year on my birds. I’m wanting to cross a black hen with a white cock. My question is will I get tiger grizzles or solid colors? Also I have a blue bar cock (2019) that I received from a friend. His dad was a tiger grizzle but he took back from his mom as a blue bar. What color hen should I pair him up to in order to get some tiger grizzles? My goal is to get some tiger grizzles in my loft without buying some birds. Thanks in advance for your help!
No, Black x white does not give Tiger Grizzles, Tiger Grizzle is a separate gene that will get its own video in time. Black x White will likely give you blacks, pieds, blues, and whatever else is hiding under the coat of white. Tiger grizzle is also dominant, so it cannot be hidden in a blue bar. You need to get another tiger grizzle for breeding if you want one - can you loan one from a friend? Don't forget to subscribe so that you don't miss the future updates!
Adam Archer Pigeons I will probably have to buy a tiger grizzle. Thanks for sharing your videos and commenting on my question I appreciate your response.
Wonder Informations. Okay, Let me ask you whether T check pattern colour can produce black colours ? And another question is about cross over . Let's consider A as Sire , B as Dam and C as their Offspring. So, what will be the genetic sequence if A and C is mated and produce an offspring called D . As you told , C already posses two books A and B . What is the use of producing D from A and C (some breeders call it as inbreeding)? Thanks You Best Regards
T Check can produce a very dark phenotype, but it is not "true black" without the Spread gene. In a few weeks I'll have a video done on the different patterns and colours. I think you're a bit confused about crossover, so I'll work on the script for the crossover and linkage episode to make it more clear.
Your first generation, the babies will be check unless the check parent carries the bar gene. In that case, half the babies will be bar. Blue bar x blue bar will produce blue bars unless both parents carry the rare barless gene.
are you using fullscreen while editting because when i pinch my screen to zoom fullscreen youtube video your logo is up. But when normal ur logo is not showing
Yes, sorry to everyone, on my computer the volume is fine, but when I uploaded it to TH-cam the volume at the start is very low. I'm not sure why, but I'll try to make sure it's fixed in future episodes.
Epistasis white is very interesting as i have mention before i have one pure white but its parents nor grandparents wr not so this year i am planning to breed it with another white that has 90% black tales (i dont have a pure white to breed to) i want to see if they will get any pure white out of it. The nestmate of this pure white is blue splash reduce bar but i know that the parents both carries ash red n blue. Will see what happens!
@@AdamArcherPigeons the mother of the black tail is blck check splash and its mother (grandmother) is brown check, so i guess these two whites does come from ash red or brown at some point. I would not be surprise if the new 2021 birds shows any red. I think i did saw ur how to breed white video but i will certainly watch it again.
Yes, genes on the same chromosome are genetically linked. As far as colour and phenotype genetics go though, there aren't a huge amount of linked genes that we know of, and most are the sex linked genes
@@AdamArcherPigeons One more question ,How do we know two genes are genetically linked?It could be possible the two genes we are considering are on the opposite chromosomes.
@@malikhamza3899 remember, chromosomes are in pairs - look at the crossover section for that. We know genes are linked when they're inherited together more than 50% of the time
WOW!!! OH MY GOD!!! .............FOR 7 OR 8 MONTHS NOW, I HAD THOUGHT THAT KURT MANEY, (FROM MANEY LOFTS) WAS THE SUPREME RULER OF RACING/HOMING PIGEONS IN AUSTRALIA, AND I'VE DAILY WATCHED ALL OF KURT MANEY'S VIDEOS, BUT, NOW,,,,,NOW THAT I'VE DISCOVERED ADAM ARCHER, ALL THAT I CAN SAY IS "WOW!!! , KURT MANEY IS THE STUDENT, BUT ADAM ARCHER IS THE PROFESSOR ON RACING/HOMING PIGEONS!!!" .............WOW, I'M COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY AT ADAM ARCHERS' KNOWLEDGE AND IN-DEPTH INFORMATION OFFERED ON ADAM ARCHER VIDEOS!!
@@simonetienneambroisedioh6228 Je suis désolé, je ne connais aucune information en français. Si vous posez des questions dans les commentaires, je ferai de mon mieux pour y répondre en utilisant Google Traduction.
Please never delete this video! Thank you for uploading
I've been interested in pigeons for just over ten years now. Finally I have one of my own and I've joined a local club. I wanted to look more into genetics - it's interested me in other species I share my home with, but as I don't plan to breed it's seemed too complex. Your videos make me believe I can finally get my head round the basics at least. I'll be watching this one again. Thanks.
Thanks, I'm so glad it helped!
Simply brilliant ... I wrote pigeon genetics for my pigeon club some years ago ....I truly appreciate your work .
Thanks Adam for putting this together and for sharing it!
Glad you liked it mate, I'm planning to do a whole big series on it explaining everything I've learned over my life with pigeons. I'll eventually make videos teaching people how to breed all the different kinds and colours.
I am not the brightest student but think i can grasp some of what you say, I will persevere with the video until I understand it all. All I can say is for such a complicated subject you've dissected it and explained it beautifully I don't think anyone could cover so much with such clarity. Thankyou for sharing your knowledge
how do they breed big breeds like mondain and runts thanks please make a video
Very nicely elaborated,Adam, you are very clear about genetics, very easy to understand.lol from India.
Is there any documents regarding the dominant genes of all locus on the internet?... I am not into racing pigeons but want to have some idea of these.
Good video, what to learn more about this, please can you use pics of pigeons for a better understanding, regards
Yes, I will be making a whole series
Thanks
Hi I have a question about recessive red. I know my closed flock of Danzig high flyers have produced rec red in the past but I was wondering if there is any way of telling weather or not they are still carrying it? I do not have any reds or ever bred one. I know in my chickens I bred a lavender after 15 years of line breeding.
I guess the easiest way would be to get a recessive red of any breed and pair it to your birds. If yours carries rec red, approx 50% of the young will be rec red.
Adam Archer Pigeons I feared that might be the cast. I have had this flock closed and isolated from other pigeons for a very long time and I have not had any of the viruses that are around today. In short I am too afraid to bring in any birds
Understandable. Then you'll just have to wait and see if another pops up. It wouldn't be unlikely that it's still there if it's appeared before.
Adam Archer Pigeons someone once told me that light yellowish stripes on the juvenile fathers on the head of a blue bar this could mean rec red. Is this true?
And for me
Very well done Adam.
Thank you Ron! You were one of the fanciers I originally learned from starting 20 or more years ago!
Hey! I have a question: if you can have two recessive alleles, can you have two dominant alleles? What happens then? Thank you so much for this video. I'm not a hobbyist but got curious when I noticed how different patterns pigeons can have.
Pigeons have two spaces at each loci, so if we use the pattern locus as an example: if you have two copies of barless then there is no space for a more dominant allele like check. But that is just this single locus out of the thousands, you can definitely have a dominate allele like grizzle at it's loci too!
Hi Adam, i know you produce videos on pigeon colours but was wondering if you could help me with the genetics of wattle production as in Carriers, i have had a look around but can't find any information, Carriers are relatively easy to breed but difficult to breed birds with good wattles, any ideas ?
Thanks for informing this i got confused in birds that it is XY and XX means the father is responsible for the offspring but in birds the female is that is what i understand today.ZZ and ZW.
Also i didn't know that recombination and there is even a thing called epistatis. Also Lethality is quite puzzling.
If I had two birds, a male and a female,
Each bird carries in the genes a specific characteristic that differs from the other bird
What is the best production line that can be used to produce a bird that carries the two traits (which combine in its genes) the traits of the parents and be visible on it?
Hi I like your video can you tell me how to get oriental frill colour in racing homers
Hi Adam. If ash red is dominant over blue base color why are there much more blue wild as well as domestic pigeons? I see very few ash red pigeons in the wild as well as domestic lofts compared to blue ones. Thanks for your videos.
It seems to be that ash red isn't as well adjusted to life as blue is. For example ash red feathers are far more brittle than blue feathers.
hi can you explan to me how they can have pair of the babies sometimes become both male?
Sex is determined by the Z and W chromosomes. Babies always get a Z chromosome from their father, and will get a Z or W from their mother. So it is a 50/50 chance. It is possible to have one of each, or two males, or two females in the nest. You'll get two males approx 25% of the time.
Hi Adam I wonder if you can help me out. I am looking for a Racing pigeon that carries indigo. I am trying to produce the andalusian colour into my birds. I have the blacks however I do not have a racer with the indigo gene. I am prepared to pay for the bird as well as pay for the transportation from you to me in Perth Western Australia. Looking forward to hearing from you with a positive result. Thank you in advance Barney.
Hi Barney, please contact me on Facebook or by email. Thanks.
Great video Adam you are a very interesting man on genetics awesome video 👍🏻
Thanks so much!
First of all, this is really informative to a hobbyist like me. Thank you for your work.
I also happen to have a question for you. I have a extreme dilute lemon colored female crossbred pigeon(still in molting stage and not sure whether this is the name for this color, but surely I ve never seen this color anywhere else other than in one of your videos). What could be the possible results if I pair it with a blue chequered Homer male?
You will just get blues, however the young cocks will be carriers of dilute. If you pair one of these sons back to the dilute mother, you'll produce more like her.
@@AdamArcherPigeons thank you for the reply Adam!
If you don't mind, one more question. Do you have any suggestion about, what should be the male bird phenotype to produce more dilute colored chicks ?
@@rejoysebastian7215 Any male produced from a dilute hen will always carry the dilute gene, no matter his phenotype. If you pair him to his dilute mother, you'll produce male and female dilutes, as well as some non-dilutes, but again all the males will definitely carry dilute.
@@AdamArcherPigeons thank you
I'm researching about pigeons (tumblers), I saw your video about genetics.
Thank you for the valuable information.
There are more than one rule in the tumbler pigeon.
It can take a very long time to obtain the desired genotype.
When you combine book A and book B, the resulting book is weaker.🤷🏻♂️
I want you to give me tactics
Please thank you Sir
Hi Adam I founf this video very interesting. I have a question for you what two colours does one have to pair together to produce a indigo coloured bird? Thanks Danny.
Indigo is a gene, it cannot be created through mixing other colours. You need to get an indigo pigeon to breed one.
@@AdamArcherPigeons Hi Adam thank you ever so much for your reply. Could you tell me where I could buy myself an Racing pigeon which is indigo in colour. I live in Perth Western Australia and I would dearly love to breed some andalusian racers. I am willing to pay to get one. I already have black racing pigeons both hens and cocks to pair to the indigo. Thank you in advance. Danny.
Hi Adam how can I contact you as I have some questions to ask you re the breeding of Opal and Andalusian racing pigeons. Can I contact you by phone?
@@barneymccarthy8376 I can be contacted most easily on pigeongenetics.com/forum
Thanks for sharing your knowledge , it is very usefull information. I have a question or two. In most colors , blue or red ash for example there is a scale of intensity of the color. A blue can go from very dark blue to a clear almost silvery blue.(I don't mean deluded or so but just blue) Is there a genetic reason for this and how does it work? Second question Do you know someone in my region where I could get barless blue or reds?
Greetings from Belgium.
Hi Marc, yes, often the difference is the "dirty" gene. I'll make a video about it in the future, but you should be able to find information on line. There are also other genes that have an impact, but "dirty" is the most common.
Sorry, I don't know where you can get barless pigeons in Belgium.
@@AdamArcherPigeons Thanks and keep up the good work.
Ok I need some advice. I’m wanting to do some selective breeding next year on my birds.
I’m wanting to cross a black hen with a white cock.
My question is will I get tiger grizzles or solid colors?
Also I have a blue bar cock (2019) that I received from a friend. His dad was a tiger grizzle but he took back from his mom as a blue bar. What color hen should I pair him up to in order to get some tiger grizzles?
My goal is to get some tiger grizzles in my loft without buying some birds.
Thanks in advance for your help!
No, Black x white does not give Tiger Grizzles, Tiger Grizzle is a separate gene that will get its own video in time. Black x White will likely give you blacks, pieds, blues, and whatever else is hiding under the coat of white.
Tiger grizzle is also dominant, so it cannot be hidden in a blue bar. You need to get another tiger grizzle for breeding if you want one - can you loan one from a friend? Don't forget to subscribe so that you don't miss the future updates!
Adam Archer Pigeons I will probably have to buy a tiger grizzle. Thanks for sharing your videos and commenting on my question I appreciate your response.
Wonder Informations. Okay,
Let me ask you whether T check pattern colour can produce black colours ?
And another question is about cross over . Let's consider A as Sire , B as Dam and C as their Offspring.
So, what will be the genetic sequence if A and C is mated and produce an offspring called D . As you told , C already posses two books A and B . What is the use of producing D from A and C (some breeders call it as inbreeding)?
Thanks You
Best Regards
T Check can produce a very dark phenotype, but it is not "true black" without the Spread gene. In a few weeks I'll have a video done on the different patterns and colours.
I think you're a bit confused about crossover, so I'll work on the script for the crossover and linkage episode to make it more clear.
Thank your Advice
So if I breed a blue bar and a check the babies will probably be check, but if I breed them back to a blue bar those babies will be blue bars?
Your first generation, the babies will be check unless the check parent carries the bar gene. In that case, half the babies will be bar. Blue bar x blue bar will produce blue bars unless both parents carry the rare barless gene.
Thank you so much.
Well Done Adam good watch
Thanks!
are you using fullscreen while editting because when i pinch my screen to zoom fullscreen youtube video your logo is up. But when normal ur logo is not showing
I think that is added by TH-cam, not the video.
@@AdamArcherPigeons its pigeon with AAP
Yes, that logo is added by TH-cam after I upload it. It's a button that allows people to subscribe
I would strongly suggest placing the mic closer to you in the video part of it.
Yes, sorry to everyone, on my computer the volume is fine, but when I uploaded it to TH-cam the volume at the start is very low. I'm not sure why, but I'll try to make sure it's fixed in future episodes.
How to made white side gene
Epistasis white is very interesting as i have mention before i have one pure white but its parents nor grandparents wr not so this year i am planning to breed it with another white that has 90% black tales (i dont have a pure white to breed to) i want to see if they will get any pure white out of it. The nestmate of this pure white is blue splash reduce bar but i know that the parents both carries ash red n blue. Will see what happens!
White with Black toes is most likely a red grizzle based white. Have you seen the "How to breed white" video?
@@AdamArcherPigeons the mother of the black tail is blck check splash and its mother (grandmother) is brown check, so i guess these two whites does come from ash red or brown at some point. I would not be surprise if the new 2021 birds shows any red. I think i did saw ur how to breed white video but i will certainly watch it again.
I didnt understand the Genetically linked part .There are thousands of genes on each chromosome ,are they all will be considered genetically linked?
Yes, genes on the same chromosome are genetically linked. As far as colour and phenotype genetics go though, there aren't a huge amount of linked genes that we know of, and most are the sex linked genes
@@AdamArcherPigeons One more question ,How do we know two genes are genetically linked?It could be possible the two genes we are considering are on the opposite chromosomes.
@@malikhamza3899 remember, chromosomes are in pairs - look at the crossover section for that. We know genes are linked when they're inherited together more than 50% of the time
@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks👍
thank you
Thanks, I hope you found it helpful
super helpful! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
WOW!!! OH MY GOD!!! .............FOR 7 OR 8 MONTHS NOW, I HAD THOUGHT THAT KURT MANEY, (FROM MANEY LOFTS) WAS THE SUPREME RULER OF RACING/HOMING PIGEONS IN AUSTRALIA, AND I'VE DAILY WATCHED ALL OF KURT MANEY'S VIDEOS, BUT, NOW,,,,,NOW THAT I'VE DISCOVERED ADAM ARCHER, ALL THAT I CAN SAY IS "WOW!!! , KURT MANEY IS THE STUDENT, BUT ADAM ARCHER IS THE PROFESSOR ON RACING/HOMING PIGEONS!!!" .............WOW, I'M COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY AT ADAM ARCHERS' KNOWLEDGE AND IN-DEPTH INFORMATION OFFERED ON ADAM ARCHER VIDEOS!!
Thanks Frank, Kurt is a mate of mine and I'm glad you like both our channels 👍
@@AdamArcherPigeons YES SIR, LOVE BOTH YOURS AND KURTS CHANNELS!! CHEERS MATE!!
Thank you so much for this awesome video! Very interesting information! I have always been interested in animal color patterns and mutations!
Glad it was helpful!
Fascinating !!!
Hi Ad.
Have you an email address I can contact you mate ?
Absolutely not. I am only contactable through public posts on pigeongenetics.com/forum
sound too low.
I know. It is an error in the video. The sound is fixed about 2 min in and there are subtitles you can use if you can't hear.
@@AdamArcherPigeons Thank you
Salut si tu pourrai traduire en français sa sera bien
We need Translation here 🙂
Yes, I will try to do it today. Arabic?
@@AdamArcherPigeons yes🙂
Try now :)
@@AdamArcherPigeons good job 💥
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Speak french please
Je parle anglais, mais des sous-titres français sont disponibles.
@@AdamArcherPigeons j'arrive pas suivre et je suis vraiment interreser🙏
@@simonetienneambroisedioh6228 Je suis désolé, je ne connais aucune information en français. Si vous posez des questions dans les commentaires, je ferai de mon mieux pour y répondre en utilisant Google Traduction.
@@AdamArcherPigeons merci bcp dans ce cas je vais revoir les videos et poser le questions qui m'echappent
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