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Colours, Patterns, and Modifiers | Pigeon Genetics
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Pigeon genes can be broken down into three categories, and understanding them will go a long way to allowing your to truly understand genetics in pigeon breeding.
I have a mild case of dyslexia, and the repetitive 3 words help sink it in. Plus the visual aid helped!!!!! Where were when I was taking French in high school!!😂😂😂😂😂 fantastic job and I can't wait for your next video❤❤❤
Hello Adam. I trust that you well 🙏. Absolutely great educational video. As you mentioned, a female pigeon has only one colour gene and can only pass that one colour gene to her children. Can a female pigeon carry or pass on colour modifier genes that are not visible in her phenotype? Thank you 🙏
ur very smart, i was more interested in this than i thought i would be since im not a huge bird person. ur pigeons seem very calm around u, they must rly trust u. ive always seen unique cow patterned pigeons with white and brow n coloring, and since most tend to b gray and green wit a blueish tint i often get rly intrigued by their unique pattern and coloring. i didnt even kno 4 a long time that pigeons r in the dove family and it made me see them differently when i found out. loved this vid!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with everyone, great content.
Thanks, I hope it helps people!
Just recommended this, and your "Introduction to..." video, so I thought I'd give it rewatch. Always good to revisit :)
Thanks! Ive been considering trying to fix the audio and reuploading "Introduction..." actually, so you can actually hear what I say!
I am so glad I stumbled upon your channel. I was recently looking for pigeon genetics books for dummies/beginners 😂 lol and this has been a great help. I have watched your 3 basic videos multiple times and each time a little more sinks in. Will you be touching more on modifiers?
Sure! I'll be doing videos on individual modifiers, plus I have a "how to breed" series too. What exactly would you like help with?
@@AdamArcherPigeons Ok have also just watched all your other videos on how to series. I have a question please not sure if modifier related !! A friend is breeding about 20 squeakers of world class rollers for me, he was world champion with the fly cup some years back. Although I am focusing mainly on performance, the only problem is that the majority are dark T blue check. I do not find them attractive and remind me of the horrible feral pigeon. I see T check is quite dominant. There is some red check available which I gather is dominant to blue? Also have some black spread with white flights to work with. What avenue would you suggest to slowly start breeding away the ugly blue t check. I am trying to maintain the family. Sorry for the long question and hope it is not too broad
@@petpot1962 You're right, unfortunately T-Check is the most dominant of all the pattern genes (and also very common in feral pigeons too). The only way you can avoid this is by bringing in a new colour unfortunately. Grizzle is a dominant gene that is also fairly common, you could try that. Otherwise, blue bar is recessive to T-check, but after a few generations you'll have a few come out. Of course, you could always just breed the reds with the T-checks, Red T-check is more attractive than blue..
@@AdamArcherPigeons Thanks for your invaluable input. I pretty much thought what you suggested is the way I would need to go. Don't like blue bars either but agree the red T-Check is attractive especially if they have white flights for a bit of contrast. I am trying to keep the same family as it helps with roller performance. I think what I will have to do is see who else has this same family but with some other colours. Anyway thanks for your help
Nice simple clear explanation. Thanks. That sooty bird had reddish in its flights was that bronze modifier?
Thanks. Yes, some type of bronze but I don't know which yet - also has a pied modifier too.
Can you make a video of paring pigeons to get a better idea of the colors
Great videos, very well tackled. Thank you so much. Keep em coming.
Thank you Adam
Informative video, good working.
This video is more attractive than the first 2 videos talking about genetics.
Thanks for what you are doing.
You make genetics easy.
Thanks, I'm still learning how to make interesting genetics videos that people will enjoy watching and learning from.
@@AdamArcherPigeons good luck
I think it is a big move to you to appear in this video.
Also you may explain on pigeon handled in a box beside you and take a pigeon one by one concerns about what you are talking about.
Thank you for sharing this video.
Thanks, glad you liked it
Hi there thank you so much I really appreciate your hard work I am learning a lot from you here in India every fancier will have a senior (guru) from where he learns and from your channel we get it all
Love your videos. Just found your channel WIll be asking lot of Questions..
Welcome aboard! Feel free to ask questions in the comments.
Great video mate❤
its the first time you are infront of the camera than behind it
Actually I'm on camera for a little in the first genetics episode too
Very good info but one doubt bro ,Male pigeon can carry two colour genes is it included with its expressive colour different genes?😳
Great.👍. good information 👌👏👏
So nice explanation ,continue bro
AWESOME!!!😀 I'll keep coming back to this video with pleasure!☺👍🐦🐦🐦
I'm glad you found it helpful 😊
@@AdamArcherPigeons I really did!😀👍
Thanks Adam and yeah, lots to learn...
Never stop learning :)
Man you know your stuff, Quite interesting!!
Thanks, basic pigeon genetics is something anyone can learn once they have their heads around it :)
Very informative bro👍👍
Thanks
nice birds sir adam
How do you make silvers can you tell us on some episode how to do that
Great Adam do more videos
Thanks, I will.
Very useful, thank you
Please do a video on pied pigeons? Like to know more about that subject
Good work Adam.
Thanks Gary.
Great video.
Thanks, glad you liked it
Hi can i change gentics in pigeon to get the color i wanted
How are you doing I just wanna ask you a question white jeans are black grizzle are they Jensen’s Sion’s Gabbys what are they thank you
Hellow brother.... I have an archangel pigeon pair sadly the female is dead is there any way i can produce an archangel using only male.
I am from indonesia thanks for your knowlege..I think your pigeons is the same for my pigeons ( inheredity )... but my racing pigeons must faster to met her hen..
What about homozygous in hen? Plz
What colour would I get with full white pigeon and blue bar,
And white Grizzle and checker. Thanks
Impossible to tell without knowing the genetics of the white. White genes simply turn off pigment production, there are still colours, patterns, and modifiers underneath the white.
On your front page advertisement photo you show a pigeon that is blue or silver, but it has a rose or bronzish color on it's chest that doesn't seem to belong with the rest of the bird. Some breeds have this. Some doves and wild birds have varying shades of color on their bodies. Is this caused by a gene infused by a wild dove-like pigeon?
what will happen to cross darkcheck janarden with choco white muelemans????
You'll get mostly dark checks in the first generation, and they'll all carry the recessive red gene.
Thank you bro ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Superb sir
Thank you
i have paired dark check homer pigeon female with a light check homer male wat kind of offsprings can be produced?
50% will be dark check, the remainder will be light check or possibly bar.
Hello. Well now that i wiñl be breeding giant hungarian house pegeons i will need your knowledge and dr. Hollanders i believe i have a good start. Thankyou. Ron. Z. Pgh. Pa.
Happy to help
hi, i have ash red spread (lavender) cock x black spread hen, if i paired both what color will the young cock offspring be?
Sir White pigeon comes under which category???
Many different modifiers can cause white
Hey, i have a ash red bar pair that produced a couple of young where one whas blue bar and one was red, i (have no other bluebars in the loft)
Oh and they were the product of Sister Brother breeding where the grandparents the hen was blue and the male was red
Your cockbird carries blue, the blue baby is a hen.
i am from India. i want to get white tail in pigeons, please help me to get this done.
your video is helping me to learn get new colours . please I help me.
i have pigeons in black tail and white body but I want it as white tail and black body.
Ok, I will try for this in the future.
Can you please explain what we get when we breed a ashred and a black spread
Ash red spread, I have an old video about the colour on my channel.
@@AdamArcherPigeons can you plz name the video
Hi there can you please tell me more on the modifier used to get the colour of the pigeon at 9.35sec in this video please
He is a sooty blue bar.
@@AdamArcherPigeons thank you.can please explain more on how to get (breed)the colour (sooty)
welcome
Don't you think the marking should be in the calculation?
What do you mean by marking?
Any researched paper on the subject mate
Tons of them. Search for WF Hollander and start from there. There was a heap of work done untangling pigeon genetics in the 1920s-now.
Ok. Is there any method of Producing Pieds from Solid White, Solid Black, Blue Checkered and Blue Black Bar?
Possibly, there are recessive pied genes, but it will be easier if you just get a pied pigeon to breed with.
Great information. Would it be possible to breed a white pigeon to become a white pigeon with black or blue bars?
Yes, if the white is caused by a hyperexpression of pied. See: www.pigeongenetics.com/wiki/index.php/White
Nice 👍
Good work! Do you ship lemon pigeons!
Thanks! I may be able to share the gene within Australia, but not overseas
@@AdamArcherPigeons Greeting from Bulgaria!
is dilute blue/dunn recessive to blue?
Dilute and blue are genes at different loci, so they cannot be compared like that, but yes, dilute is a (sex linked) recessive gene.
Can certain foods change the feather color?
No, not in the same way as flamingo etc.
What do they especially enjoy for food?@@AdamArcherPigeons
I know that many English pouters have white on most of their body below the neck. Is this some sort of piebald mutation or other gene?
There are quite a few pied genes and unfortunately not many are well studied. It would be an interesting project for someone to put a decade or two into researching them!
@@AdamArcherPigeons Idk if its a pied gene it seemds more like a gene which causes the color to represent specifically on the head and saddle
Good work sir.
Thank you for the clear introduction. My pigeons are Birmingham Rollers, almost all badges with white flights and tails: from your remarks I take it that these markings are not the result of a Pattern gene but what factor/s are involved please? The birds are both bars or chequers and I think their colours are only due to either Blue or Recessive Red (no Ash Red) with many of them blue bars in phenotype or 'black' in appearance, a few with brownish smears which I take to be due to a single dose of recessive red, and chestnut red which I take to be due to a double dose. In the communal breeding loft I have a pair of blue bar badges, which therefore presumably do not carry Spread (that being dominant to wild type/'non spread' as I understand it), but they often produce black badge youngsters. I would only have expected only blue bars from them so may I ask: does this mean that so many of their youngsters are illegitimate, or may there be modifiers involved? i.e. may I ask if the black coloured birds must be due to Spread or whether it might be due to other modifiers?
You're right, spread is dominant, but it is also possible for T-check to occasionally mimic spread, especially when modifiers like dirty, smokey, or sooty are involved. I'm not familiar with "badge", as I'm not a roller breeder, but I assume it's a form of pied?
Badge consists of irregular white patches around the head, which in racing pigeons I guess might be covered by the term 'pied'. The other common varieties of white head markings are Bald: white on most, or just the top half, of the head! and Beard: like a beard!! but I guess that in racers pied may be used to describe white body and wing markings too. Are they produced by individual non-pattern genes, please? - Yes I think dirty, smokey, and sooty may well be in the family and will need to look those up. I believe that any blacks due to T-Pattern would probably look muddy-black with more pattern showing through but the ?'illegitimates' are a more solid black colour with more or less bronze/chestnut coloured fine edges to their feathers...
Ok, yes, bald head, badge, beard etc are all modifiers. I honestly don't have a lot of experience with roller breeding, but I think Baldhead and beard might be alleles of each other? But don't quote me on that, I definitely could be wrong. Heterozygous spread can often show pattern bleeding through.
At least in practice, baldhead and beard as alleles could make sense. 'Heterozygous spread', right thanks and after all the pair of blue badges would not have chequer either. So that would seem only to leave modifiers, to explain how their black offspring might be legitimate. Do you know of a particular combination of them which would be more likely to do it? and is there a chance that a single dose of recessive red enhance such an effect please?
HOW CAN WE TELL A MALE FROM A FEMALE ?
TNX.
Hi,Adams what color mother and father pigeon who could produce a pigeon son colored barless?please answer
I made a video on this, search "How to breed barless pigeons".
@@AdamArcherPigeons i watch your video,sorry i dont understand
Good video brother... Thanks
Thanks, glad it was helpful
How can I produce blue chekker birds?
It is a dominant gene, you need to breed with a checker bird.
I have been hearing the term “pied” a lot but haven’t quite understood what it is. What exactly is a pied Pigeon Adam?
Pied typically refers to feathers that should normally be coloured but are instead made white by some genetic cause.
Black + blue bar=?
Please help which color baby pigeon will come
At least 50% will be black. The remainder, likely black, check, or blue bar.
Waiting for next pigeon genetics class
if ash red is most dominant color then why do we find mostly blue or black pegions in feral flocks ? can you please clear this doubt...
Blue/black has better survivability in the wild
@@AdamArcherPigeons like camoflage or what .
@@AdamArcherPigeons can we account any reasons for this.
There are scholarly articles on it, one reason is dark/black feathers are better at expelling toxins.
Thanks broo
Racing homer baby carries who's character Male's or female
The baby receives genes from both parents.
Heyy ..Adam I am your big fan from India I just wanted to know that can we mutate white bar with blue bar please guide me
There are a few ways, the easiest is to use the "dominant opal" gene.
@@AdamArcherPigeons I really want to have a conversation with you so I need your Facebook id to connect with you
@@silentnight6063 I reply to TH-cam comments, otherwise you can contact me on Patreon www.patreon.com/AdamArcherPigeons
Thanks!
How can i produce pencil blue pigeon? what color combination should i pair...
By "pencil" do you mean sooty, like what is common in racing homers, or true pencil like is found in Hanna Pouters?
@@AdamArcherPigeons just like sooty sir for racing pigeon what color of pigeon should i probably to be paired
You need to get the sooty gene, easiest way is to find a sooty/pencil pigeon to breed from.
Nice
Which colour is more effective to pair with an almond gene could you plz tell...
Kite or recessive red will give you better colour
@@AdamArcherPigeons thank u so much
Hi ,just saw this video.im a pigeon Fancier and breed the opal color in TIPPLERS.im still learning and have a question? Can I mate 2 opal tippler that both have the opal tail bar?
If you're talking about dominant opal, it is semi-lethal, so 25% of the opal x opal young will not hatch, or die soon after hatching.
Thank you adam.i am aware that opal to opal , dominant is semi lethal but, what I'm kind of having trouble is,i have 2 birds an opal white bar cock bird with the white opal tail bar and,a hen,a blue check or lace also,with a opal white tail bar..can they be mated together? How do I determine if they are both dominant?
To determine if a gene is dominant or recessive, pair it to a normal unrelated blue bar. If you get the gene to express in the first generation, it is dominant, if you can only get it by pairing F1s together, it is recessive.
Waiting for ur next video.. Can plz post a picture of ashred- almond pigeon... And q almonds.... In any upcoming videos
There is an Ash Red Almond at 5:18 and a Qualmond at 5:39 in the How to breed Almond video
@@AdamArcherPigeons thnks bro
@@AdamArcherPigeons one more qn.... We have tripplers.. We use for timing sports.(some times pointed crested birds.appears... Not common.. ..) why this crest appears in its on head... Not on any other parts of the body.. (not telling about fancy breeds)
The gene that causes crest is different to other feather ornaments on other parts of the body like frills and muffs
@@AdamArcherPigeons thats not what i meant....its in fancy breeds.. (i want to know... In flying breeds like tripplers)
Hi, what colours of yang ones I can get from yellow hen and blue bar cock? Thx!
Assuming you mean dilute ash red when you say yellow, you'll get blue bar hens and red cocks, the cocks will carry dilute
Hi adam,
I am keeping fantails. I want to experiment on colours. What female colour should I pair with White Male?
This question is really impossible to answer. White covers over the true colour. Perhaps, first you should pair with a Blue Bar, and that should help you discover what the true colour, pattern, and maybe modifiers of your white pigeon.
I paired white male with solid silver hen. Only one egg could survive and the other was broken. The baby coming is silver with red bars and three flying feathers in white on both sides.
Sounds like you are very new to Pigeon genetics. Id recommend you keep watching the videos, and reading genetics websites and books, until you have a better understanding of the basics.
I hope someone would make a good pigeon breeding game xD
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Thank you very much! Very informative! You are clearly very smart and know your stuff, and I learned much! However please blink, I am concerned for your eyes. 😭
Simple perfect!
Nice video. Can i have some 😅
Almond,opal, Andalusian...is these all are modifiers????
No. There are two different modifiers called "opal". Andalusian and Almond are phenotypes made by creating multiple modifiers.
@@AdamArcherPigeons what are the modifiers creating almond?
Andalusian is a phenotype made by indigo and spread,right!!!
Yes for Andalusian.
Almond - th-cam.com/video/a8h_Fm34ypg/w-d-xo.html
@@AdamArcherPigeons but there is no kite colour in mooke pigeon... then how can we bred classic almond..
Any method to produce kite
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Can i know what is your background ?
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Man you have a nice creepy voice! But anyway I learned a lot. Thanks!
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Hi bro how are you I am from India can you explain in Hindi please try
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Hello Sir how are you i hope you are fine.... I am Rehan from India please make a video on how to make cream bar or yellow bar pigeon.... I have high flyers Pigeon and do share your whatsapp number i want to learn pigeon genetics from you.
You need the dilute gene to create yellows. It is sex linked, so a yellow cock would be best. If you want to contact me directly please use Patreon, however you're welcome to ask questions here in the TH-cam comments.
@@AdamArcherPigeons what is patreaon please explain me full procedure of making yello bar.... i mean from first step to last step please my whatsapp number is +919619828963 we can chat on whatsapp please sir
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