I looked it up in the dictionary (since English is not my primary language) things went: cuckoo bananas! Sandy come back, on the next video they will be burning down the house.
I'm actually impressed with how gracefully these shelves failed when they did fail. It was a very controlled flop over rather than a sudden shattering of glass or something violent. Why milk though? You've made a bigger mess for yourselves than just water would have been. But I suppose it's for TH-cam. 😊
The tests in this series look very weird to me, first is the IR thermal "test" that can be pretty much ignored due to how uncontrolled those can easily be. The testing for this one would be better and easier done using barbell weight plates incrementing the weights by the smallest possible increments, 2-5Kg of example.
Minor dings or ridiculously overloading shelves perfectly adapted to their use-case are totally irrelevant. Right to repair, compressor life, electronics and seals are what limit the lifetime of a fridge for real. Nothing on that so far. Sandy, please come back soon before your guys spill more milk instead of producing useful content.
@@Makatea I took this as an opportunity for engineering lesson about material stress, and failure modes, not a commentary on the products themselves ... so it was useful in that way :-p
On This Episode of Munro live. Cory and Adam find out the hard way why water would have been a better choice. The full impact of gallons of milk exploding all over the shop will be smelt for years to come.
Yes, please keep us updated guys. Especially interested in seeing Munro’s face when he come back from vacation and noticing that the entire shop smells like rotten milk 😂
Project Farm would have rigged up a load tester that would give precise weights at which the shelves would begin to plastically deform and ultimate failure points!
Interesting, but these shelfs will never experience those loads, energy efficiency of these units are the most important factor. I hope you can evaluate precisely being they are different sizes.
I wouldn't want them to spend a minute of their time if they don't end up breaking the shelves. They can just say "they work" and move on. Actually breaking them revealed the design choices or the lacking of design that goes into these products and are actually educational. I saw the stamping and actually thought that the Frigidaire's design was better.
Exactly. You should never ever waste food. Ever. It’s absolutely disgusting to do so. And I love this channel beyond belief! But that was simply bad. Please. Don’t. I know how it is to have no food on your plate. And there’s millions who suffer that every single day.
@@mgmacius You do know milk is produced everyday and what doesn't get sold goes down the drain. Whether they buy it and waste it, or don't but it. It's already been made and tomorrow the same amount will be made again.
@@Robert-cu9bm what kind of nonsense is that? Milk have shelf life of many days, in Ireland it’s usually a week or two and I’m not talking about milk like products like UHT. That one can last for a month or longer. The fact that something gets made tomorrow have no relevance as it is needed by so many today. And tomorrow. And the next day. This is the most arrogant thing to say!
It's sort of amazing that we can do something like this, yet we can't seem to feed the hungry in America. At least the unbroken gallons of milk were sent home with employees, so it wasn't a total waste of food.
When I see load testing I think: energy consumption, power consumption and surge power. Could honestly care less if it can hold ten cows. But thanks for the work! The refer is a very important device in our lives.
They cost about 10k more up front for new and used propane lifts are cheap. They also typically run about half as long and "refilling" propane is usually done in a few minutes by swapping the tank. Not even Tesla uses electric construction vehicles on thier job sites.
This is an utterly useless spill of milk. Both shelves are strong enough for their use case, so what? The right to repair stance of the OEMs, and the durability of the compressors, control electronics and seals are the significant components limiting the useful life of a fridge, not minor dings in the sheet metal or ridiculously overloading the shelves. It's time Sandy gets done with his move and comes back to stop the clown show.
I’m really scratch my head trying to figure out why are you did not use jugs of water. Plus there is the optics considering you just Took donations for the Tesla plaid
I suspect that the Frigidaire shelf was designed to fail exactly as it did and at a weight that would be unreasonable in the actual fridge. The front gusset turns upward before it gets to the back "bump gussets" along the edge, suggesting an intended failure mode as stamping longer gussets would not be more expensive. This failure mode may reduce the risk of breaking glass, which would be the larger concern to a legal team. With that said, the observed shelf failure potentially spills food items forward. If a child with the density of a neutron star hangs from the shelf lip, heavy items could fall on them when the shelf fails. Both brands seem to have sufficient shelf strength for children of normal densities, however ;).
Steel pots are denser than milk crates. We are also assuming no manufacturing defects. The margin of safety on the Fridgidaire seems low, in a product where weight isn't critical.
I fail to appreciate any value with load testing the two shelves beyond what either would ever be loaded to inside the frig. At least we know both shelf designs will carry MORE than they could ever be loaded to inside the frig's. due to space limitations. MythBusters would have rented an elephant for the same test and got more laughs.
Well, testing them to 100lbs and stopping wouldnt reveal the failure point. The test isnt just "will they handle a normal load" it is a failure test to see where they do finally fail at. This is important to know so if the manufacture did want to save pennies on shelves they could know where to save them and still meet the requirements. The Frigidaire has a much more expensive stamped part but was actually weaker. That tells us that stamping that part is a waste of time and money in production. They could move to flat rails and be better off. Although I recall these fancy stamped parts being prominant in thier advertising.
you missed the point of the test. it was not if they could hold the weight it was to see what they could take. that is how you figure out wich part was made/designed better.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld being "designed better" is not a valid outcome of this test. Better relates to the function they are designed for. If both can hold all the weight that could but put on it in a fridge, any further expense is overengineering and wasted money. This channel is all about reducing costs and materials so the more inexpensive choice here is the better one.
When I read the title of "Load Testing" I assumed it was electrical load as energy consumption is by far the most important engineering feature of these refrigerators. I cannot believe I just gave up 14 minutes of my life watching two guys stack MILK (not water) jugs on shelves until they fail. While I am glad you made sure each shelf could hold a load that they would never ever see I am wondering when you will get to some actual useful testing. Maybe you should do this type of test for vehicles? Get a pick up truck and stack concrete blocks in the bed until the suspension fails or the bed collapses, or load up the drivers seat with steel plates until the frame fails. Seriously, was this video done so that Sandy would never go on vacation again?
I liked the failure mode of the Frigidaire, as you can see the glass flexes well before breaking of the arm occurs, so it's a good indication to the consumer to STOP, lol! (The Sub-Zero doesn't really indicate, glass doesn't flex, until failure)
Most of these tests don't make any sense. Nobody is going to use those shelves for storing weights and the shelves are only designed to lift the stuff people store in fridges.
I am interested in how you will test the electronic control boards. I purchased Frigidaire refrigerator and stove in 2014. We have had repair people out numerous times on both units and had the control boards replaced. Additionally the ice maker has issues with condensation freezing in the rotary sections for the ice maker. I am not enamoured.
the EU versions of fridgidair like brands are comfortably in the "budget" section. still, a fridge like that would cost less then half in euros as it would in the US. these fridges are just stupidly overpriced in the US. even that subzero would be sold for 3k or less in the EU.
What happens in testing when Munro is away? 🤣The emotionless comments with this hilarious stress test makes us wonder if this kind of approach is really their normal procedure?! But the mishap with the black car that became 'body in white' cleared me up that this still might have been a one of a kind new method even for Munro.👍
Why don't you use weights or just sand bags to test them. Look at the amount of milk you have just wasted. Though the money comes from youtube or Munro associations , those are foods give some damn respect to them..many people in the world are starving , just think about that...please dont be like silly tiktokers . We are engineers, please think smart and wise!
@@MunroLive That's about the only nice thing one can say about the whole fridge series. Slight dings or shelves perfectly dimensioned for their use-case have no bearing on the useful lifetime of a fridge, which is the only thing relevant to the customer. Right to repair-attitude of the OEM, power consumption/isolation, compressor, electronics and seals matter. Those essential aspects were not even considered yet. For now, this is just a bad talkshow over nothing of substance achieving no more than to pointlessly waste perfectly good milk. Expect to get an earful from Sandy when he comes back.
I think one of the important factors you didn't consider was that the subzero had a little pin that stuck into the slots of the shelf bracket, that helps to prevent the forces pushing the support out to the side, which is what it looked like happened on the Frigidaire.
Yes, the shelving is the weak point , as they need to be flexible in storage option. the brackets are the worst failure point. they can be made stronger with clip locks like on some old cars and train windows.
What was the point of this test? Just waste a lot of milk? Both shelves performed very well for what they were designed to do - well within their specifications.
I'm happy that I now have an unbiased outlet for consumer reports. Feels like all the traditional outlets have lost their integrity. Thank you for your hard work gang 🙂
I’m so glad to see y’all paid at least $39 for the “Munro Live” stickers to support the Tesla Model S Plaid breakdown for this fridge breakdown video!😉😜😝😂
My concern on both is how long will they last? 5 years? Parts after 3 years are impossible to get, obsolete is the norm put on FB market for sale cheap. Disposable appliances
My concern is how long these two presenters will last at Munro in their present capacities. Imo as an engineer, five days is too long. If it would get Sandy back in the office faster, I'm sure there are lots of subscribers who would be happy to help him move.
@@psdaengr911 do not confuse their engineering skills versus their presening skills. making up a demo that "sells" well on video is harder then you think.
By the way, you guys are doing a good job and it is interesting to see something other than cars evaluated. The spilled milk was not necessary but did add a bit of dramatic entertainment. I do miss Sandy. One of you should have said, "What!?, I don't understand what they were thinking, they put a structural rib in the support but skimped on the hook width! What is with that?" "You see boys and girls, someone decided to do something right, but it looks like someone else decided that they didn't need to follow through by allowing a few millimeters of width on the hook to match the strength in the rest of the bracket." You guys can do it, put some emphasis on what you are seeing and saying. I didn't really see an conclusion on the comparison. Something like, well, if Frigidaire hadn't failed to consider a greater width on the hook support for the shelf they would so far be equivalent to the SubZero fridge at about a third of the cost!
I was hoping the test would compare how long it would take each fridge to cool a quantity of milk by say 4 - 6 gallons ,10 degrees, and measure how much power was consumed to do so. Pretty funny though stress testing the shelves...never thought of that. LOL
This seems a pointless effort. The volume of the fridge limits this type of loading and both are obviously more than strong enough for ordinary use..I also question the use (waste) of milk. Could you not choose a heavy media that did not exemplify food wasting? And did you fellows clean up or did you make someone else do it?
This reminds me of Consumer Reports studies I read 50 years ago. The points they focused on were totally irrelevant to my use of the equipment. I expected better from Munro. Hope it gets better.
So, what we have learnd today? ( again ) ;-) The extra reinforcement at the " Frigidaire " Sheetmetal part was just a fantasy not helping at all. Even when the tooling cost is an extra cost the total design is crap or they were using cheap metal for this application. Those brackets are already being used for centuries in stock or stores without any problems. They just had to copy/paste a perfect working design the fridge. (But we like to reinvent hot water over and over again) For the Sub-Zero I would at least expecting stainless steel for the brackets. Not some ordinary powder coating.
Thanks for the shenanigans and entertainment at the expense of cleanup lol. You could have some structural engineers on your staff chime in. The gussets would hold up much more if it was designed as Adam said, straight through. The depth of the section of the sub zero supports definitely make a huge difference, the equation i believe uses the moment of inertia to the 4th power. So that was a huge advantage. But what is great to know is how they are both designed well above what you can fit on them. :)
still, stronger is better. over time the shelf will bend down as you load it over the years. especially if you load your fridge up with gallons of milk.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld lol, spread the 5 gallons of milk on multiple shelves! Also, you are talking about metal fatigue, the shelves MAY bend down if the 40 lbs constantly brings the internal strain to the ultimate limit. And if it has poor quality internal atomic structure from manufacturing cheapness.
So, net net, both shelf designs are more than adequate for what a fridge would likely be used for. Next time: build a dunk tank and take turns getting wet! 😜
Interesting demonstration of design strength. I hope you bought some bleach too. Unless you want the smell of spoiled milk in your shop you will have to add some bleach to the floor cleaning solution when you mop up the spilled milk.
I thought by "load testing" you were going to give them a serious operational challenge--like simulating 20 years of compressor start/stop cycling.
Now Sandy can definitely say that things go bananas at Munro when he is on vacation! 🐮
My thoughts exactly 😁
😂
Talk about a long vacation!
I'm looking forward to his comments that'll be pinned at the top!
they FOMO on the milk crate challenge, but are too smart to risk broken bones or paralysis
I looked it up in the dictionary (since English is not my primary language) things went: cuckoo bananas!
Sandy come back, on the next video they will be burning down the house.
Milk was a bad choice! ~ Ron Burgundy
This is the appropriate response....not nagging about marginal food waste.
@@HylanderSB Perhaps the marginalized disagree with your definition of marginal…
Given that this test was conducted in the Mid West, cases of beer and brats would have been more appropriate.
@@richardnedbalek1968 This has nothing to do with “the marginalized.” Keep your progressive claptrap to yourself.
I'm actually impressed with how gracefully these shelves failed when they did fail. It was a very controlled flop over rather than a sudden shattering of glass or something violent. Why milk though? You've made a bigger mess for yourselves than just water would have been. But I suppose it's for TH-cam. 😊
The tests in this series look very weird to me, first is the IR thermal "test" that can be pretty much ignored due to how uncontrolled those can easily be. The testing for this one would be better and easier done using barbell weight plates incrementing the weights by the smallest possible increments, 2-5Kg of example.
Minor dings or ridiculously overloading shelves perfectly adapted to their use-case are totally irrelevant. Right to repair, compressor life, electronics and seals are what limit the lifetime of a fridge for real. Nothing on that so far. Sandy, please come back soon before your guys spill more milk instead of producing useful content.
Could have just spray-painted water jugs white and write milk on them with black marker 🙄
@@Makatea I took this as an opportunity for engineering lesson about material stress, and failure modes, not a commentary on the products themselves ... so it was useful in that way :-p
@@TheJoeSwanon
Then when they fall over you'd see that it wasn't milk.
adam: is it centered?
cameraman: i am here to observe, not to save the gazelle from the lion
The choice of milk for weight testing seems odd to me, but might explain why it cost so much to have them evaluate anything.
They really do milk their customers dry.
They could’ve used dumbbells
On This Episode of Munro live. Cory and Adam find out the hard way why water would have been a better choice. The full impact of gallons of milk exploding all over the shop will be smelt for years to come.
please keep us updated on the smell in the building over the next few weeks as the residual milk that couldn't be cleaned up sits.
Yes, please keep us updated guys. Especially interested in seeing Munro’s face when he come back from vacation and noticing that the entire shop smells like rotten milk 😂
I think this is one time Sandy is justified to start crying over spilled milk.
Project Farm would have rigged up a load tester that would give precise weights at which the shelves would begin to plastically deform and ultimate failure points!
Sure but Project Farm (PF) charges way more for their analysis than Sandy Munroe does. PF services are too expensive for big auto.
YESSSSS!!!! That guy knows how to test! These guys could learn something from him!
Interesting, but these shelfs will never experience those loads, energy efficiency of these units are the most important factor. I hope you can evaluate precisely being they are different sizes.
Someone using the fridge as a ladder to reach to cookies on top.
i have no words. Project Farm channel does it better than these guys.
I wouldn't want them to spend a minute of their time if they don't end up breaking the shelves. They can just say "they work" and move on. Actually breaking them revealed the design choices or the lacking of design that goes into these products and are actually educational. I saw the stamping and actually thought that the Frigidaire's design was better.
I use an old Frigidaire in my workout room as a shelf to store my bumper plates so this is really helpful information.
@@lanzer22 that is the difference between thinking something and real life.
I really hope that is not how Munro usually works..
This could be done a bit more professionally...
paying 500k for a teardown and the result smells like stale milk
Sandy might have insisted on using water instead, cleanup and residual smell for a indeterminate time, but then age has it's benefits.
At least its starting to get cool out there. Still on the return of Sandy "Why does it smell like sour milk in my shop?!?"
But what about the added 0.023kg/m³ of density! 😂
Ummmm, did no one think that maybe water would have been a cleaner test??
That last scene could be a recruiting video for Munro Associates. "If you're nerdy enough to enjoy milk chugging contests, we are the place for you!"
If all that milk has to be consumed then and there It might worry some potential recruits...
@@pierre.a.larsen it shows commitment to the cause. Prepare for digestive overload, I remember the milk gallon challenge! Lol
Should have used beer. It’s a better recruiting fluid than milk.
MUNRO - what a waste of milk, bottled water is just as heavy and won't create a mess like spilt milk will.
and you can use it in your water cooler.
Your not crying over spilt milk are you?
Engineering ≠ common sense
Exactly. You should never ever waste food. Ever. It’s absolutely disgusting to do so. And I love this channel beyond belief! But that was simply bad. Please. Don’t.
I know how it is to have no food on your plate. And there’s millions who suffer that every single day.
@@mgmacius
You do know milk is produced everyday and what doesn't get sold goes down the drain.
Whether they buy it and waste it, or don't but it. It's already been made and tomorrow the same amount will be made again.
@@Robert-cu9bm what kind of nonsense is that? Milk have shelf life of many days, in Ireland it’s usually a week or two and I’m not talking about milk like products like UHT. That one can last for a month or longer. The fact that something gets made tomorrow have no relevance as it is needed by so many today. And tomorrow. And the next day. This is the most arrogant thing to say!
Should have used cheap and hard to spoil Flat water bottles.
Once the shelves started to reach their breaking point, they should have added one milk jug at a time to get a more accurate breaking point.
.. in addition: why use milk at all and waste a lot of it! water has exactly the same weight.
I think everyone agrees milk was a bad choice. I can imagine the smell after a few days, even after clean up.
It's sort of amazing that we can do something like this, yet we can't seem to feed the hungry in America. At least the unbroken gallons of milk were sent home with employees, so it wasn't a total waste of food.
Don't worry, they have a legion of cats they are planning to unleash just off camera. They planned ahead, they are professionals after all.
I'm guessing they actually used water with some dye, in order to not waste money and to avoid the horrible smell of curdled milk.
When I see load testing I think: energy consumption, power consumption and surge power. Could honestly care less if it can hold ten cows. But thanks for the work! The refer is a very important device in our lives.
Just picturing ten cows standing on a shelf was enough for me to bust out loud laughing! Thanks for that!
Kids playing when they alone at home.
Instead of using milk, wouldn't gallons of water be just as good?
Yeah! What a waste. Milk requires a lot of energy & produces a lot of carbon to get to a store.
@@tomsixsix there's no point crying over spilt milk
You guys do know that water jugs are sold in similar gallons and you can save money, reduce cleanup, and have less food waste. Just saying...
thanks to nestle water is more expensive then milk
Sandy will never take a vacation again after this. :)
You guys couldn’t have used water jugs? Lol.
Milk was actually cheaper.
@@MunroLiveahh ok, you may have mentioned that, I accidentally skipped ahead haha.
@@MunroLive this fact is actually worrying 🤔
@@MunroLive Letting the employees swap full milk cartons for empty ones brought from home and filled with water is cheaper still.
@@michelececcarelli5580 Milk is used as a loss leader in most stores to bring people into the store.
6:55 that’s what happens when Sandy leaves the boys alone in the shop 😂
ELECTRIC FORKLIFT - NO??? Perhaps when Munro gets solar panels on the roof they will get battery powered ForkLift ?
This is what I thought too.
They cost about 10k more up front for new and used propane lifts are cheap. They also typically run about half as long and "refilling" propane is usually done in a few minutes by swapping the tank. Not even Tesla uses electric construction vehicles on thier job sites.
This is an utterly useless spill of milk. Both shelves are strong enough for their use case, so what? The right to repair stance of the OEMs, and the durability of the compressors, control electronics and seals are the significant components limiting the useful life of a fridge, not minor dings in the sheet metal or ridiculously overloading the shelves.
It's time Sandy gets done with his move and comes back to stop the clown show.
I’m really scratch my head trying to figure out why are you did not use jugs of water. Plus there is the optics considering you just Took donations for the Tesla plaid
Kilos of cocaine would have been better.
@@markplott4820 now that would be funny
I suspect that the Frigidaire shelf was designed to fail exactly as it did and at a weight that would be unreasonable in the actual fridge. The front gusset turns upward before it gets to the back "bump gussets" along the edge, suggesting an intended failure mode as stamping longer gussets would not be more expensive. This failure mode may reduce the risk of breaking glass, which would be the larger concern to a legal team.
With that said, the observed shelf failure potentially spills food items forward. If a child with the density of a neutron star hangs from the shelf lip, heavy items could fall on them when the shelf fails. Both brands seem to have sufficient shelf strength for children of normal densities, however ;).
This is an interesting and very good take on the design. Purposeful failure to avoid a more hazardous condition. Cool!
Missing is material spec grade, temper. Still for the value engineer, Frigidaire earned its keep.
Steel pots are denser than milk crates. We are also assuming no manufacturing defects. The margin of safety on the Fridgidaire seems low, in a product where weight isn't critical.
I fail to appreciate any value with load testing the two shelves beyond what either would ever be loaded to inside the frig. At least we know both shelf designs will carry MORE than they could ever be loaded to inside the frig's. due to space limitations.
MythBusters would have rented an elephant for the same test and got more laughs.
Well, testing them to 100lbs and stopping wouldnt reveal the failure point. The test isnt just "will they handle a normal load" it is a failure test to see where they do finally fail at. This is important to know so if the manufacture did want to save pennies on shelves they could know where to save them and still meet the requirements. The Frigidaire has a much more expensive stamped part but was actually weaker. That tells us that stamping that part is a waste of time and money in production. They could move to flat rails and be better off. Although I recall these fancy stamped parts being prominant in thier advertising.
you missed the point of the test. it was not if they could hold the weight it was to see what they could take. that is how you figure out wich part was made/designed better.
Both valid points and admit all what they are testing for was not on my radar. Cheers.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld being "designed better" is not a valid outcome of this test. Better relates to the function they are designed for. If both can hold all the weight that could but put on it in a fridge, any further expense is overengineering and wasted money. This channel is all about reducing costs and materials so the more inexpensive choice here is the better one.
I have never seen those milk containers 🤣
When Sandy isn't at home - lets play and spill some milk.
I keep my supply of lead in the refrigerator. This is useful information. Thank you.
When I read the title of "Load Testing" I assumed it was electrical load as energy consumption is by far the most important engineering feature of these refrigerators. I cannot believe I just gave up 14 minutes of my life watching two guys stack MILK (not water) jugs on shelves until they fail. While I am glad you made sure each shelf could hold a load that they would never ever see I am wondering when you will get to some actual useful testing. Maybe you should do this type of test for vehicles? Get a pick up truck and stack concrete blocks in the bed until the suspension fails or the bed collapses, or load up the drivers seat with steel plates until the frame fails. Seriously, was this video done so that Sandy would never go on vacation again?
Such a waste of milk *smh* I'm sure Sandy wouldn't approve of such debauchery.
Dont use food for this, could be done with just water filled jugs. Not cool to waste food with nutrition.
I do agree with you!
Gallon water bottles would have been much cheaper too.
Should have used cases of beer. We have a severe water shortage here in California.
I get this and agree on principle. The optics and cleanup are also bad. But dear lord don't look up what dairies do with full tankers.
Not cool to waste water either... it is kinda essential for life, just saying 🤷♂️
I liked the failure mode of the Frigidaire, as you can see the glass flexes well before breaking of the arm occurs, so it's a good indication to the consumer to STOP, lol! (The Sub-Zero doesn't really indicate, glass doesn't flex, until failure)
I'll definitely keep this in mind the next time I'm refrigerating my spare bricks.
@@Marksman123771 An old fridge is destined to end up in a garage somewhere ... so that's not completely outside the realm of possibilities, lol
Seems like a waste of milk...any weight would do fine. Also, who the hell eats steel? No need to over test like this IMO....test more useful stuff.
They're surrounded by dairy farms, no real shortage of milk in that town. It's a production -- they wanted dramatic effect.
Most of these tests don't make any sense. Nobody is going to use those shelves for storing weights and the shelves are only designed to lift the stuff people store in fridges.
Ive definitely had fridge shelves fail with a bunch of gallons of liquid. 🤷
What if you want to cool a foot³ of tungsten
So much effort just for your viewers. Thank you!!
I am interested in how you will test the electronic control boards. I purchased Frigidaire refrigerator and stove in 2014. We have had repair people out numerous times on both units and had the control boards replaced.
Additionally the ice maker has issues with condensation freezing in the rotary sections for the ice maker. I am not enamoured.
the EU versions of fridgidair like brands are comfortably in the "budget" section. still, a fridge like that would cost less then half in euros as it would in the US. these fridges are just stupidly overpriced in the US. even that subzero would be sold for 3k or less in the EU.
I expect those boards to be tested with gallons of milk.
What can I say but, "Come back soon Sandy!"
What happens in testing when Munro is away? 🤣The emotionless comments with this hilarious stress test makes us wonder if this kind of approach is really their normal procedure?! But the mishap with the black car that became 'body in white' cleared me up that this still might have been a one of a kind new method even for Munro.👍
Body in white: MOO!
Why don't you use weights or just sand bags to test them. Look at the amount of milk you have just wasted. Though the money comes from youtube or Munro associations , those are foods give some damn respect to them..many people in the world are starving , just think about that...please dont be like silly tiktokers . We are engineers, please think smart and wise!
Munro's reputation is in need of repair after this video.
hey, engineers, this test would have been just as good with gallons of water
“You we’re so busy figuring out whether or not you could you never stopped to ask if you should” -JP
Nice video production.
Much appreciated!
@@MunroLive That's about the only nice thing one can say about the whole fridge series. Slight dings or shelves perfectly dimensioned for their use-case have no bearing on the useful lifetime of a fridge, which is the only thing relevant to the customer.
Right to repair-attitude of the OEM, power consumption/isolation, compressor, electronics and seals matter. Those essential aspects were not even considered yet. For now, this is just a bad talkshow over nothing of substance achieving no more than to pointlessly waste perfectly good milk.
Expect to get an earful from Sandy when he comes back.
I think one of the important factors you didn't consider was that the subzero had a little pin that stuck into the slots of the shelf bracket, that helps to prevent the forces pushing the support out to the side, which is what it looked like happened on the Frigidaire.
Next, how does a Tesla compare to an ID4 when dropped of a cliff....
stunned that neither piece of glass broke
With even loads glass is pretty strong. What glass cant do is point loads.
Yes, the shelving is the weak point , as they need to be flexible in storage option.
the brackets are the worst failure point.
they can be made stronger with clip locks like on some old cars and train windows.
That’s what happens at school when the headmaster is not around 🤣
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This was awesome.
Could/can it be: Illegal Posession of Milk Crates w/property of..........labeling...?
What was the point of this test? Just waste a lot of milk? Both shelves performed very well for what they were designed to do - well within their specifications.
Thank you for displaying weights in kgs.
Btw instead of wasting milk on floor , was there any option if using water or weights to do the experiment?
Entertaining. What were the manufacturers' recommended load limits for the shelves? How did that compare to the load to failure?
I'm about to show this video to my wife, she freaks out after a couple of beers on a shelve. When in fact it will hold a whole keg 🤣
What a waste of good milk...shouldve used water
I'm happy that I now have an unbiased outlet for consumer reports. Feels like all the traditional outlets have lost their integrity. Thank you for your hard work gang 🙂
Uhoh I thought you are going to see how fast do these cool down to the required temp
when the boss is away the employees go play :D
I was crying over all that spilt milk
Get an electric forklift dudes. Stop poisoning your workers. Milk should go to homeless or cashiers per Sandy.
Any reason you couldn't have used water jugs so you don't waste milk? Or better yet, solid weights.
I’m so glad to see y’all paid at least $39 for the “Munro Live” stickers to support the Tesla Model S Plaid breakdown for this fridge breakdown video!😉😜😝😂
My concern on both is how long will they last? 5 years? Parts after 3 years are impossible to get, obsolete is the norm put on FB market for sale cheap. Disposable appliances
that is why you buy commerical grade stuff, not consumer grade. fun fact: commerical grade is often even cheaper.
My concern is how long these two presenters will last at Munro in their present capacities. Imo as an engineer, five days is too long. If it would get Sandy back in the office faster, I'm sure there are lots of subscribers who would be happy to help him move.
@@psdaengr911 do not confuse their engineering skills versus their presening skills. making up a demo that "sells" well on video is harder then you think.
You guys changed the leverage arm by keeping the frigidaire milkcrates 2 inches further away from the block wall.
By the way, you guys are doing a good job and it is interesting to see something other than cars evaluated. The spilled milk was not necessary but did add a bit of dramatic entertainment. I do miss Sandy. One of you should have said, "What!?, I don't understand what they were thinking, they put a structural rib in the support but skimped on the hook width! What is with that?" "You see boys and girls, someone decided to do something right, but it looks like someone else decided that they didn't need to follow through by allowing a few millimeters of width on the hook to match the strength in the rest of the bracket." You guys can do it, put some emphasis on what you are seeing and saying. I didn't really see an conclusion on the comparison. Something like, well, if Frigidaire hadn't failed to consider a greater width on the hook support for the shelf they would so far be equivalent to the SubZero fridge at about a third of the cost!
Why aren’t the guys from Munro discussing the need to use composite plastic or carbon fiber to make stronger shelf brackets and save weight?
we bought 571 pounds of milk
theres a sentence i never though i'd hear
I now know Subzero would be a slightly better choice if I should ever need to store lead ingots in a refrigerator.
Or GOLD!
The shelves were strong but not as strong as you not once doing a, “don’t cry over spilt milk” pun.
That pun was left to us I suppose.
I was hoping the test would compare how long it would take each fridge to cool a quantity of milk by say 4 - 6 gallons ,10 degrees, and measure how much power was consumed to do so. Pretty funny though stress testing the shelves...never thought of that. LOL
Why would you buy all that milk? lol.. you could have just used water.
The milk was sized and stackable in the crates, that is why.
I was thinking the same but apparently milk was cheaper. Just seems like such a waste.
Kinda worth it to see him chugg a bottle at the end tho 😂
@@luisalzuablanco8245 even if somehow milk was cheaper. There is a thing called optics.
@@TheJoeSwanon or literally bags of water would have done 😂
Cases of beer would have been more appropriate for this stunt. It wasn’t an engineering test, but a frat boy “science fair project.
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So, what was the point of wasting all that milk, instead of using water or just metal weights?
gallons of water not milk
This seems a pointless effort. The volume of the fridge limits this type of loading and both are obviously more than strong enough for ordinary use..I also question the use (waste) of milk. Could you not choose a heavy media that did not exemplify food wasting? And did you fellows clean up or did you make someone else do it?
Waste of milk.
When Sandy aren't home
This reminds me of Consumer Reports studies I read 50 years ago. The points they focused on were totally irrelevant to my use of the equipment. I expected better from Munro. Hope it gets better.
When the cat is away the mice come out to play. Nice one chaps. I need some of those sub-zero shelves for my garage
So, what we have learnd today? ( again ) ;-)
The extra reinforcement at the " Frigidaire " Sheetmetal part was just a fantasy not helping at all. Even when the tooling cost is an extra cost the total design is crap or they were using cheap metal for this application.
Those brackets are already being used for centuries in stock or stores without any problems. They just had to copy/paste a perfect working design the fridge.
(But we like to reinvent hot water over and over again)
For the Sub-Zero I would at least expecting stainless steel for the brackets.
Not some ordinary powder coating.
@James Ziskend Still bringing up the coils I see LOL. I thought you wrote these people off last video?
@James Ziskend In the end of the day it is just a square box with cooling ( AC ) developed by people who never use it or have to clean it ;-)
This gonna smell in few days....
Thanks for the shenanigans and entertainment at the expense of cleanup lol. You could have some structural engineers on your staff chime in. The gussets would hold up much more if it was designed as Adam said, straight through. The depth of the section of the sub zero supports definitely make a huge difference, the equation i believe uses the moment of inertia to the 4th power. So that was a huge advantage. But what is great to know is how they are both designed well above what you can fit on them. :)
still, stronger is better. over time the shelf will bend down as you load it over the years. especially if you load your fridge up with gallons of milk.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld lol, spread the 5 gallons of milk on multiple shelves! Also, you are talking about metal fatigue, the shelves MAY bend down if the 40 lbs constantly brings the internal strain to the ultimate limit. And if it has poor quality internal atomic structure from manufacturing cheapness.
At appears they can also sign up the milk container manufacturer to redesign the lid assembly.
To much fun breaking stuff.
What a waste of milk. I hope those jugs of milk were expired. There are less wasteful ways to do strength tests.
See the way Adam handles that milk!?,,,Promotion....IMMINENT!
Sandy is going to see the video and say -- you guys got milk all over the floor?!
Use water next time. This is not good.
Use canned beer. Less wastage.
@@psdaengr911 use bud light and we'll both be happy
What a waste of milk couldn't you use water?
This kind of exploration is suitable for the company party.
Best video since Letterman stopped dropping watermelons from buildings.
So, net net, both shelf designs are more than adequate for what a fridge would likely be used for.
Next time: build a dunk tank and take turns getting wet! 😜
Credibility at Munro may go down.
Interesting demonstration of design strength.
I hope you bought some bleach too. Unless you want the smell of spoiled milk in your shop you will have to add some bleach to the floor cleaning solution when you mop up the spilled milk.
You should film Sandy's reaction as he watches the video of this test.
water would've been nicer in my opinion.
then can tip the milk money to the cashier instead.
Any close-up on the hinge as it's failing?
I love the end let's full send guys
This consumer series definitely reminds me of project farm
Good experiment but PLEASE STOP WASTING FOOD LIKE THIS!