Switch 2: How Handheld PCs are Becoming Nintendo's Next-Gen Competition - Next-Gen Console Watch
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- Welcome back to Next-Gen Console Watch, our show following everything happening with the latest gaming hardware. This week Daemon Hatfield is joined by IGN’s Executive Editor of Tech, Bo Moore. And IGN Tech Reporter Taylor Lyles. Both of which were in attendance at CES last week.
And this week we’re discussing the surprising circumstances of the growing handheld gaming PC industry. It started with the Steam Deck a couple years ago, and now there are several alternatives like the ASUS ROG Ally, the Lenovo Legion Go, Logitech G Cloud, and others. With the Switch 2 presumably coming at some point, do these new handheld gaming PC's represent a serious challenge to Nintendo?
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Nintendo has no competition because they aren't selling the gaming hardware as much as they are selling their own games which you aren't getting anywhere else.
You could literally get them on the steam deck for free 😂
@@2seep by pirating? douchebag!
Not everyone is a thief. This ridiculous PC’s won’t challenge Switch at all. It’s about Nintendo games, full stop. Yeah, some people steal, same as it ever was.
@@lazydgsf7429boot licker😂switch is garbage
@@2seep You can get any game for "free" if you want. Piracy is a non factor since the ammount of people that put the effort in to do it is ridiculously low compared to how many buy the games legally. Not to mention how many people brick their PCs/Steam Decks by downloading shady stuff
Affordability is key. However, Nintendo needs to reward loyalty with backward compatibility and seriously address the defective joycons with hall-sensor sticks to make the transition more appealing.
Absolutely man, although prices for a lot of the PC handhelds are getting more affordable by the day (see ROG Ally sales). 1st party support and affordability is paramount for Switch to stay on top.
@@daspotjoelgame prices are where the difference is made up
@@daspotjoel If Nintendo pushes the price too close to Xbox and PS5 without even considering backward compatibility and hall sensors it's an epic fail.
The newest PC handhelds have hall sensors. My Legion Go have it, and also the upcoming MSI Claw have it.
My man is low key wishing with low key coping lmao. They won't.
No, Nintendo is not focused on making gaming accessible in general. Instead, they have successfully carved out a niche for themselves using technology and style that uniquely works for their brand.
One of the biggest reasons why the Switch became successful is a lot of 3rd party games came over to the switch and it was the only hand held at the time to play 3rd party AAA games
the biggest reason for their success is the games developed by them not from 3rd party games.
@@jamesfranko1568 yeah and its the only handheld console u can buy at that time
3rd party game sale on NS is miserable.
You're completely wrong.
Yes on 10 year old outdated hardware
Completely different markets. These pc handhelds are not mainstream devices. Steam deck has probably 3 million or so units sold in almost 2 years. There is just no comparison. Nintendo is just on another level.
"Another level" lol. One word: Yuzu.
Valve doesn't need to sell millions, its main platform is the store itself, they will compete in the market with every handheld PC with steam, not only steam deck, its more like android vs apple, but with PC catalog force, so the platform is almost immortal even without selling a single steam deck.
Nintendo is off in their own little protective bubble. Nintendo will always do Nintendo and never learn how actually competing on par would actually win back the consumers they keep disappointing over and over.
The people they disappoint is adult kids who don't grow up thinking their games will become more mature. They won't, simply because they need to cater to the next generation of kids and make their games entry level. You want Pokemon to be more mature, play monster hunter. You want smash bros to be more mature, play Tekken or street fighter.
That’s because they don’t have the same marketing but if people knew what you could do on them they would murder the switch not to mention you can play switch games on them lol
Y'all keep trying to compare literal handheld PCs versus a *Nintendo* console. You aren't buying Nintendo products for power, you're buying them for their IPs, ease of connectivity and the unique hardware (gimmick features such as Joy Cons and other ways the parameters can be utilized). Affordability is huge too.
Exactly!
Nintendo: nah, now give $100 per game
For real those games 🎯 be hella Pricey 💯
Nintendcuck: okay here $100 for Mario 420
Switch is still more child friend you can drop it not going broken or the fan heat it not going hurts you hand and last it super light. PC handheld are long way before the be child friends .
Kirby should be 50$ at least
@@mildlycurious8333 Return to Dreamland DX WAS 50
The switch has Nintendo games and the others don't, there is no competition, people buy Switch to play Zelda, Pokemon, Mario, etc... And you can't play that on the others.
Agree. True, these devices may emulate nintendo switch 2 games in the future but the fact that it will have the limitations puts me off that idea.
it's not that deep...the difference is Nintendo Switch's are primarily meant for children while handheld PC's are obvioulsy more adult/older enthusiast orientated
@@spenny2centsthe majority of the Switch audience are adults.
@@switchitup3709 That's a nice argument, senator. Why don't you back it up with a source?
@@シミズルリ Google switch age audience. The highest group is in their 20s
Nintendo has a lock on first party games for their systems . People will buy Nintendo for this reason alone ! They also control the younger children market !
So why didn’t the Wii U sell?
@@ICon-sy7goThe Wii U did sell though. But because of poor marketing, from a team and set of executives so use to selling casual games that they forgot their product was suppose to be for core gamers, it didn't sell as it should have. The Switch gets this right.
Funnily enough, it's Sony that controls the younger children market since most kids play things like Fortnite, COD and Fifa/Madden. If you go look at data for the Switch's user base, for example, the main demographic are young adults (people in their 20s)
@@pokemigas6049Yeah that's true.
@@LoliconSamalik What about the N64 and Gamecube? Why didn't those sell well?
The fact that you can mod these handhelds to play anything is remarkable!!!!
Eh. The common consumer doesn’t really care about mods
@@MasterBlade111 common consumer buys a switch. Im referring to the PC handhelds.
@@eddiecoker4808 oh then yeah. The modding capability is awesome
Can’t play any modern Nintendo games though!
@@austinmuldoon9369Lol yes you can
People don't buy Nintendo to play video games. They get Nintendo to play Nintendo games.
Just like some people don't get a cell phone but an iPhone, or they don't watch a movie but a marvel movie.
And you can easily play Nintendo games on the steam deck for free so your point means nothing
@@punani_slayer4209 with limitations so no for me IMO.
@@ceruleanshroom 0 limitations
@@punani_slayer4209there are limitations. Not every switch game runs great on emulator.
@@punani_slayer4209He is right, there is a small handful of games that don't work but your point is correct as well most games work.
Other than affordability, power and a list of games that it can play, what most handhelds lack nowadays is battery life. Handheld PCs mostly use APU that are power hungry and drain the battery easily. Since they mentioned that Nintendo is not that concerned for power on their devices, they can take that as an advantage for having better battery life on their "switch 2" and that alone can be a selling point to people who are into handhelds.
Steam deck oled have great battery
there is no competition to Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing, Zelda... this conversation has no point.
They should only compare PC/Steam/GOG with each other using Switch is just a dooming on Switch.
These new handhelds are actually powerful enough to run Switch titles through emulation so is not exactly an apples to oranges comparison.
By this logic the WiiU should have been a success.
All of those games play better and more smoothly on the Steam Deck.
@theviniso it kinda is. Steam deck has sold 3 million in 2+ years. Switch 2 will sell probably double that just in its first 2 weeks. There is just no competition here to start with
Appreciate the chick bringing up the legion go it really is a slept on system
It's definitely the Deck's strongest competitor so far.
Nintendo has no competition
Nintendo has enough IPs they are no competition
+ everyone who has a switch which is a lot can play it on switch 2 too.
So you basically get everyone who has a switch
It ain’t no competition
So explain the WiiU
It is just probably, we have no officially this and even leaks mostly writing about hardware but no so much about softvare.
Can happen situation like from Xbox 360 on Xbox One that not everything was compatibile. And it is Nintendo, we don't even knew if old licencions will work if games will need some sort of manual edit.
And also there are games that are still not on Switch, only on Handhelds with Steam. So it will also about how many companies remember that this game exist and need Switch 2 port.
@@the77thyep
Wii u didn’t have any ground breaking IPs.
They didn’t push it.
No mainline 3d Mario
Zelda
Only Mario kart and some ports
Also the Wii u was the product of bad marketing. Everyone thought it was like the Wii which it wasn’t.
It was a culmination of all those factors
Backwards compatibility has not been confirmed, and isn't guaranteed.
Not really. Affordable to the whole family is a key. And their exclusives.
Haha what has IGN been smoking 😂 they are just dripping the ball left and right with their takes. Nintendo is on a league of their own. Most games are exclusive and the line ups are amazing. Plus I’m willing to bet the Switch 2 will crush sales and out sell any competitor. It will also outsell their previous console.
No, Valve is in a league of their own. PC has 50% more market share than all consoles combined. Now guess what store is installed on basically every gaming PC out there? Not just the Steam Deck
Nintendrone boot licker.
Are they seriously
STILL talking about the freaking switch 2?.
It's literally coming by the end of this year.
IGN: "Growing PC handheld industry. Started with the Steam Deck a couple of years ago..."
Ayaneo and GPD: punching the air right now.
"You can't play switch games on them" 👀👀😅
Cough cough
Comments talking about how Nintendo has more IPs but also not realising that the Deck has more playable games (13,000 and growing) compared to Nintendo's shop (11,000). And that's not counting older titles that run just fine, but havent received a playable tag because it's 10 years post launch and there's only 20 something people still playing it.
Say what you want about Nintendo's exclusives but there's also a market where people aren't attracted to the exclusives there. Heck they may even be attracted to PC games that aren't on there.
Valve should take their time and properly refine the deck experience,taking challenges from their competition. But right now steam deck is the king in of the handheld space.
That would be the Ally. It can do everything the deck can but better and more of it
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271deck is still better
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271deck has better support though. Ally is just another typical windows handheld
Wrong kid
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 not really. It doesn't beat out deck on battery life. That's a bigtime for a handheld, and the sleep resume instantly. Both way better. Other minor perks but those 2 are huge.
You know who’s not worried about these high end pc tablets? Nintendo. 😂
Right? People always trying box Nintendo in a corner to force them into being "competition" and it usually never works
Exactly this 😂
This is just like those people who thought switch was done for when steam deck got announced. Nintendo aren't even bothered
That would be so much arrogance, just imagine nintendo comes up with a system less powerful than a ps4 for 400 bucks, it would make steam deck waaaay appealing...
Even if youre a Nintendo fan you should absolutely hope that Nintendo is worried about those. Competition breeds innovation so stop bootlicking for Nintendo. Its their failure with the Wii U in the first place that led to the revolutionary switch
None of these PC handhelds are any threat to Nintendo. Not to the Switch or their next handheld.
What? Half of the triple A releases on Switch get sold for absurd prices and running at 25 FPS and people excuse it with "but you can play it on the go!" - now you have far better options to play stuff on the go. Sure, there's always gonna be people who do not enjoy tinkering like one inevitably needs to do with a handheld PC, so Nintendo will always offer the plug and play experience. But for people who can be bothered, handheld PCs are superior in every way. No individual handheld PC will outsell Nintendo, but together they are a threat.
@@skelenton92 Aside from Nintendo’s brand recognition and cross media popularity, Nintendo also makes bestselling exclusives you can’t play anywhere else (crappy emulation aside).
Steamdeck is selling okay, but nowhere near Switch numbers.
And that’s definitely not going to change, when Nintendo’s next shiny new console comes out.
Emulattion for nintendo consoles isnt crappy tho. They are some of the easiest ones to emulate. Can even do ds and 3ds easily now cuz the deck is touchscreen
@@CCoreXB”Crappy Emulation” I’ve seen plenty of videos of BOTW, Mario Odyssey, and many other exclusives running at 60fps on the Deck at a higher resolution versus the Switch
@@CCoreXBemulators run games better that on switch
Sold my switch for a steam deck. Nintendo make great games but there is so much more value in pc gaming with how cheap games can be and the huge library. Deck has changed the game.
Not really. Nintendo fans go for Nintendo games, not the hardware - hence why they keep getting away with not trying to improve their hardware. 😂
Since when is Nintendo about specs, they make shitty consoles, but they rule with their games. Want Mario Kart 9? Guess what, only on Switch 2.
They used to do both. That’s the sad part about it.
Nintendo sold over 120 milion hardware units steam only sold 3 million nintendo dont have any Competition facts
130M
In all fairness, Steam has thousands upon thousands more games than Nintendo Switch though, and many more are played by pc gamers on pcs.
Hardware competition aside, as a service, Valve actually has more of a monopoly in the pc space than Nintendo does the console space.
Agree
@@skycloud4802 that is irrelevant we’re talking about handheld where Nintendo is in a league of their own.
Theres no competition though... Nintendo has the desired first party games no one else has; they always win in that aspect and even if you bring up the emulation aspect Nintendo is still making money, Emulators on SteamDeck dont make any money for Valve...
Well, the point is that a Steam Deck has emulation AND the games on Steam. It’s not limited to one of the two.
Well technically emulators on steam deck do make money for valve because its a huge selling point. They just don't make money in the traditional sense
Nintendo's games definitely have competition. But that's nothing new. The only new thing is that for the first time in almost two decades there's a non-nintendo mainstream handheld gaming device, that's not a phone.
Nintendo consoles have the most expensive game libraries, while PC handhelds have the cheapest game libraries.
Lol no they don't Nintendo exclusives aren't all that
This show has been on for so long, we're finally talking about next.. Next Gen
This conversation feels tense lol. Relax, it's not an interrogation why are the hosts presenting like they're on your average business/stock show.
😂relax with the back and forth, feels like a high school debate lol.
ya know.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This show proves that IGN will always IGN😂😂
Nintendo will benefit from this rise in handheld/hybrids. It means more market for them to conquer. They are the OG, they are lighter, silent, and unlike the rest, all their games are diamond quality and optimized for their system.
Yeah, Steam deck which sold "a couple of millions" will be hard competition for the switch 2, sure. There are more handheld devices on the market than in 2017 yes, but there is only one handheld device which is a "mass market device" and that is the Switch and the Switch 2 will be the next one. It is amusing to see how so many hype up the Steam deck arguably the "biggest" competition to the Switch while at the same time the Switch sells more units in a single quarter during its 7th year than the Steam deck does lifetime. There simply is no similar product to the Switch which targets the mass market and unless Sony or Microsoft make a handheld there wont be one for a very long time.
Sony did have a handheld to compete against the then current 3DS but like so many others, it failed against Nintendo in the handheld market and this is despite the rocky start that the 3DS had. But then the PS Vita failing was more to do with Sony letting it down whilst they distanced themselves from it.
That's why it's always important to innovate. If the next Nintendo is just simply a Switch 2, then they will fall flat on their faces. They need to be careful & avoid settling into the comfort of the Switch's success & remember that they're a company that always pushes their hardware in unexpected ways.
NINTENDO NEVER EVER PUSHES THEIR HARDWARE.... What the heck alternate universe are you on?
@@jonathanmoreno-q6s ? Apparently the opposite one that you're on. You realize you're "quoting" the complete opposite of what was in my comment, right?
nah games is what makes Nintendo relevant - handheld PC dont have any exclusives at all.
@@inamorta47-playertwist Not if they run like crap in just 2 years while the PC handhelds continue iterating. There's a reason all the handhelds are essentially copying what the Switch did. They came across a winning formula that couldn't be replicated in the non-console space at the time. Nintendo has to do the same this time as well, or else they're quickly being overshadowed by other options, especially with how popular nintendo emulation has become on handhelds.
@@Rocksteady72a oh stop it. The switch does not run like crap. It runs at fine frame rates. Obviously most of them don’t run at 60 FPS but a few of them do like super smash Bros ultimate Metroid prime remastered Prince of Persia and the last crown sonic superstars, although at 7:20 p because sega don’t know how to use the switch properly and are incompetent, that’s just a few and the PC handheld market will remain niche because the average gamer is not going to go to the trouble of emulating games, let alone fire, steam deck, or the next, Nova Legion or ROG, Ally, the handheld PC will always be niche except it and move on.
That's not competition. Handheld PC's are MUCH more expensive, destroying every casual mainstream consumer base right from the start. The single most combative priced is the SteamDeck, which is still expensive and only available through Steam, therefopre destroying every casual mainstream consumer base due to accessibility. As long as these HHPC's aren't priced for the mainstream consumer and arn't available in basically every store, they are not competition. And that's even before we factor in that the PC and console market are obviously separated, since both exist side by side for decades.
During the 10% off sale, my Steam Deck was only £14 more pricier than the standard Switch OLED retail price (without games).
@@skycloud4802 and with a 10% discount on top of the cheapest current price, you can get a Switch lite for 140 bucks, half of the entry level steamdeck. So what is more likely convincing parents and grandparents to buy for the kids, the 140 bucks "Gameboy" they can pick up everywhere and is known by everyone or that 300 bucks PC thingy from this random store nobody in the real world has ever heard off? We gamers are not the biggest group in gaming and of little interest for the console market.
300$ is definitely mainstream consumer pricing. Just not kids allowance pricing. And grandma buying Christmas gifts is not a bigger market than gamers.
@@AcidDotDrop I'm guessing USA are going cheaper? In UK I've not seen a Lite for less than £190 unless it's second hand and even then they are not cheaper by much (£150 second hand) and if course it can't actually switch to TV mode. Even broken Life's that aren't working on eBay are going £50-70 (cracked broken screens, missing sticks etc). Brand new regular Switch £250, OLED £290-310. Very, very rarely I've seen OLED down to £270 or bundle with a game at £300, but even then for a underpowered system released in 2017, it's pretty awful value. Especially with Switch 2 around the corner and Steam Deck already here.
@@maiqtheliar2still not addressing the other issue and that is availability. Here in Australia we can't go in a store and buy one no. We have to import from US and the price for that is almost 1k. Switch easily beats the switch in both like OP said.
PC Handheld market is growing fast, and powerful PC handhelds will drop in price. On top of it, all PC Handhelds except for Steam Deck have full Xbox / Game Pass support.
Game Pass requires Windows for 100% functionality. Games is cheapest on PC and game prices is dumped every day, 7 days a week.
Nintendo should be worried about PC Handhelds since there is so many models already. PC Gamers who bought Switch, jumped ship already and bought PC Handhelds.
Diehard Switch fans are clueless to how cheap PC games cost or that a large chuck of Switch 3rd party titles start off as PC games.
Nintendo will be fine, they just need to tweak the current Switch hardware a little bit and bring the games. The Switch is already outdated, its games are already expensive, PCs already can emulate those games, the market already has many options, and the Switch still outsells pretty much all of them.
@@conchobar Yes, that's true. Switch have mostly casual gamers that knows nothing about the industry in general.
@@LuizFernando-li1duNintendo will survive as they aren't really competitor to PC, Xbox or PS. They do their own thing.
PC Handhelds have come to stay and they are mainly aimed at Steam and Game Pass users, not Nintendo. PC Handhelds is foremost a "travel companion" to people who only play games on gaming PC's.
I own the "Legion Go" handheld which looks like a giant Switch.
Nintendo will always have a slice of the market but for the hardcore theyre gonna have to really bring it with the exclusives because no matter what they put out theyre beat hardware wise already and just the fact that these are literal handheld PCs that allows you to buy games of all types from anywhere they have to really emphasize what makes their box with it
Nope. Those handheld PCs are sold to people that buy the hardware. People buy Nintendo's hardware to play Nintendo's software.
So why didn’t the Wii U sell?
@@ICon-sy7go People didn't even know about it lol.
@@RmnGnzlz so people forgot about the games too?
@@ICon-sy7go How do you forget something you never knew about?
@@RmnGnzlzExactly 😂
😂 A 7 year old Switch mopped the floor with the Steam Deck and Asus Rog.
A new Switch 2 won't even notice these "serious competitors" exist.
Stop the 🧢 IGN! None of those handhelds will compete with Nintendo.
Talk to us when those PC handhelds hit 100 million plus sales in units sold a piece.
EACH ONE OF THEM!!
Sales literally do not matter to the end user and are not a measure of quality. Never have been.
@@JF-vz1ju more lame excuses, give it up you lost the argument.
As the great Regginator once said: "If people wants to play Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong..." => $$$
Why is IGN struggling to give Nintendo credit for this handheld trend.. Nintendo caused this door to open
They didn't. The Steam Deck was in development for years before the Switch came out. GPD Win started in 2016, Razer Edge in 2013. This market would have existed and grown either way
Why are people really trying to push the idea that these handheld PC things are competing with nintendo when they aren't in the slightest, none of them are selling anywhere near as much as the switch put together
Also are we still lying about S&V running badly
11:30 “Not at all held back by the switch’s very old processor”
… wait what? Look it ran fine, and that’s great and all but it had its dips especially when things got busy on the screen. To say it wasn’t held back by switch’s hardware is really pushing things
It still ran ok but there’s no need to sugar coat it. It would really benefit from a Switch 2 with more modern internals
“$700 handheld niche devices are showing competition to Nintendo!”
Are we in the 90s again?
Yueeeeaaaaaa….., the competition doesn’t have Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pokémon…… and nostalgia.
When you buy a console, what you're really buying is a terminal into a unified global-stasis ecosystem; the actual consoles itself is just a secondary characteristic of that. Handheld pcs are auxiliary gaming devices, not a primary one.
Weird that you would trust nintendo who is known for killing off their own "terminal into a unified global-stasis ecosystem". Just to create a new one and force you to rebuy all your games.
Over Steam which gives you access to 50k games and will never force you to join a new terminal and rebuy your games.
Would love to hear your logical thought process there.
@@WhiskeyAfterHours Nintendo is more trustworthy than any of these wannabes.
Sheep@@Adamtendo_player_1
Well the Steam Deck is exactly that too. A gateway to the Steam ecosystem. It's why Valve wouldn't benefit from making it more Game Pass friendly.
@@WhiskeyAfterHours you don't have to own steamdeck to play these 50k games.
The switch 2 will kill the competition coz they got awesome exclusives!
what will exclusives do exactly? steam has over 30,000 games to choose from
@@GX-105D Nintendo exclusives, of course.
@@GX-105D30,000 of mostly junk compared to the awesome Nintendo Switch exclusives. Its quantity over quality with Steam 😂😂
I'd much rather get a Switch 2, play my backlog nintendo games as well as new ones, than buy one of these bulky new devices, fix windows issues and set up controller schemes all the time.
Nintendo's games are so pricey though. For someone like me who already has a ton of games on PC a Steam Deck is much better choice money-wise.
@@theviniso there is simply better value with the switch or switch 2 niche PC handheld and encouraging illegalI piracy Nintendo games.
First party Nintendo games alone are definitely NOT capable of moving mass units of hardware. All you have to do is look at the Wii U for an example of that.
And all you have to do is look at the Switch as a counter argument to that.
Never underestimate the popularity of Nintendo.
LOL, all you Gotta do is look at the success of the switch so there goes your argument.
Switch 2 will have physical games. Nuff said
Yes, the premise of this video is flawed because of the points many of us are making. It is the brand and it's games that we are buying not the device.
LMFAO What? Those are PCs. PCs have never replaced consoles. Completely different market. Also, the Switch is outselling all of those combined... What competition???
every console is a locked or unlocked PC 🤦
@@Freejack001 Who owns the PC platform?? Can anyone manufacture a Nintendo Switch? A PS5? No. A console is absolutely not a PC and a PC is absolutely not a console.
These PC handhelds don't have Nintendo first party titles and they won't sell over 10M units. The Switch Next will sell over 100M units with 1st and 3rd party support
Exactly
My thoughts exactly.
The black chic knows what she is talking about!!!! Kudos to her
Tried the Legion go and the experience was horrible. Windows 11 needs Handheld Mode.
The thing is Nintendo runs the market because as soon as they release a new Zelda or Pokemon, they have my money.
The lenova legion go technically isn’t the only other company offering a switch like experience. The onexplayer 2 has removable joycons as well although they are a bit more limited because they don’t have batteries in the joycons so they can only be used with a device that you clip the joycons to so you can use it like a standard controller similar to the little thing that comes with the switch that you can put the joycons into.
Nintendo is in their own lane. They have been for YEARS. They have no competition lol. People buy their hardware for the amazing games not for how high tech it is.
There is a LOT of misinformation in this video. Goes to show that none of you are the actual user base for these devices.
There is no competition. Most people with a handheld pc will most likely get a switch 2 and have a switch. Nintendo literally has no competition.
Actually know most people in the niche steam deck market already owned a PC and I’m not likely to buy the switch 2, most people who own a switch like myself, are more likely to buy the switch 2,
This handheld pc gaming market reminds me of the stories of all the old gaming consoles that were all out at the same time but then disappeared, only leaving a few gaming consoles to survive with Nintendo basically being the only one from that Era still making consoles
yeah now it's nintendo's turn to disappear if they continue to ignore the need to compete against the steamdeck, nintendo got cooked when sony came out with the PS1, and now nintendo is fixing to be forgotten if nintendo continues to ignore the need for better hardware
here's my forever gaming setup:
1. gaming PC
2. steam account with 300 games
3. steamdeck
4. nintendo PC account (future prediction)
Nintendo is not gonna give us a console that powerful because it would be so expensive....
people do not buy Nintendo consoles for the hardware but the games
If a handheld computer gaming system were to start selling in big stores then that would actually be a competition especially if they get exclusives that Nintendo can't play.
All the PC handhelds are PC and all of them will have Steam installed. In addition to all other PCs. It is competition either way. It's not just handheld vs handheld
keep telling yourself that as everyone is buying a steamdeck on the steam store and amazon
Nintendo carved this niche where they focused on innovative tech instead of power/graphics really well... But imagine if their next innovation is to go all in on power/graphics for the next switch...
Switch still has no themes, no Netflix, no browser, no virtual console, no folders. Its a joke of a handheld.
Steam deck still hasn't sold over 50 million let alone over 120 million like the switch has 😂 what a joke of a handheld!
Who in their right mind wants Netflix or a browser on their handheld you’ve got your smart phone for that.
@@PulseOfMe the steam deck is the Google pixel of handheld PCs in terms of sales LOL
What are you even talking about? Nintendo has no competition.
It will be extremely disappointing if Switch 2 is weaker then a Steam Deck
Very likely it will be though, it's Nintendo
Underestimating competition or not even being concerned to potential competition doesnt always end up will. Most of situations akin to these have came back to bite them in the arse, nintendo with PS, PS with xbox, pokemon with pal world, and list goes on and on.
These handhelds have been around for a while now (including the steam deck) but Switch still stands on its feet thanks to it's secret weapon... Nintendo IP
that's going to dry up eventually, mario wonder selling 10 million is not something to brag about when elden ring has sold 30 million, horizon dawn has sold 29 million, and grand theft auto has sold 1 billion
It's a completely different market , nobody is buying their 5 year old a steam deck or rog ally , the switch has its own consumers that support what Nintendo do
Steam Deck Oled is so 🔥
Nintendo's new handheld has to compete with the Deck and its competitors now. While having numerous handhelds is going to be a common situation (people are likely to have a PC handheld and Switch for the respective platforms), not everyone will have the room to hold both a Deck and Switch for their trips. People will just bring the one they like more, so they'd buy more games for that platform than the other.
Additionally, Steam is a more user-friendly platform than Nintendo. You have online features for free, better social features, Remote Play and Remote Play Together (which is great for couch co-op games), and user reviews. The Deck can also access the user's Steam library, which means that you don't need to buy more games, or buy the same ones again to play on it. That's incredibly compelling.
At best, the Switch successor will have backwards compatibility and better joycons.
Nintendo doesn't have to compete. Nintendo fans will be Nintendo fans regardless. The Deck has been out and the Switch is still selling, even out selling the Deck. Nintendos only competition is Nintendo
@@klumsyninja9073But PC is far more than just the Steam Deck
@@Thornskade Cool..... But the topic is about handheld PCs which is why we're talking about the Deck
In the West - yes, that's true, this could eventually become serious competition to Nintendo. In Japan, Nintendo will do fine regardless, since PC gaming just isn't nearly as popular over there as it is in most of the world. So, it's mostly the rest of the world where their consoles may or may not fail - but they probably won't, seeing that you can't get most Nintendo exclusives legally anywhere else. I'd assume they're going to take some cues from the competition though, and make a more powerful system this time, if only for the sake of the third-party releases.
@@mariusamber3237 PC gaming has been growing rapidly in Japan tho
1:54 this is pretty damning for IGN. If the head of tech for your publication is caught "completely by surprise" by a powerful PC handheld, they aren't following tech at all
nobody thought these would be as popular as they are. relax
Nintendos hybrid console switch is the trendsetter of handheld device in this game system generation. They are the first company who release this kind of hybrid gaming system.
No, GPD Win released in 2016 before the Switch came out
Scratch that, the Razer Edge came out in 2013. That was really expensive though
It was only a concept design
It's just weird how press ties themselves in knots to other Nintendo's platforms. Nintendo Switch is a home console first. It is a direct competitor to both PS5 and Series X|S. It is smoking them both.
And for the weird people that can't count to 9 if Nintendo's mentioned, you're still stuck admitting that Switch is market leader for 9th generation vs PS5/ Series X, or market leader for 8th generation over PS4/XBONE.
Pick your poison.
Switch 2 needs backwards compatiblity with switch 1 and it needs a heart gold and soul silver remakes for me to buy it.
Talking for the sake of talking, they give me "old people's care home vibes" where the convo is so dry and boring and everyone's making the same obvious statements over and over again.
Nahh non of those handheld PC is a competition to the "classic" console handheld. The barriers are:
-Price
-Battery life
-Portablity and comfort
-Simplicity
You get a fantastic performance from Nintendo games on Switch, but 3rd party games like COD or Assassins Creed don’t run well.
But then if you buy a Nintendo product you probably couldn’t care less about COD and Assassins Creed. Give me Mario and Zelda!
Here we go again IGN with "Switch 2". Your obsession is showing...
Not even Steam Deck today is competition for the current Switch. Y'all don't get it. 🤷🏻♂️
The switch is just a gimmick, at first it didn't have competition because people already had a switch..now nobody will buy switch 2 when they can get a steam deck which has more graphic power, free emulation with higher fps AND A PORTABLE PC
@@N5FX all of you "steamdeck is better cause emulation" dont understand what the target audience for a nintendo product is, the most audience are people who are just casualy playing games for fun who arent into gamign news or the entire hardware software news shell they only know thigns cause they see it on tv or in the shop. and the second thing is casuals dont know how to emulate things and doesnt even want to know. linux is NOT a casual user friendly system so NO emulating games on steam deck isnt a seller.
@@patrickv1080This. 99% of Nintendo’s customer base just want something they can “pick up and play”.
Emulation is for hobbyists (me included). Setting it up and getting it working well is non-trivial.
@@N5FXI’m sure this keeps Nintendo execs awake at night as they compare their unit sales of Switch with all the handheld PCs (including SteamDeck) combined. 😂
keep coping
Nintendo is not worried about these things. Four words. Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong.
nintendo hasn't made a real console in 15 years. They were #1 in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000. ever since 2002, PlayStation and x-box been bodying em.
All they gotta do to make a big splash is make it more powerful and backwards compatible
You guys have no idea why the Switch is popular.
LOL IGN 😂.
Switch 2 has no competition whatsoever from Handheld PCs. The Switch sold 140 million and counting. Steam Deck barely sold 3 or 4 million units. What the hell you’re talking about ?
70% of people who bought a Nintendo switch don’t even know what it’s a steam deck and even more what is a ROG ally 😂😂😂
Handheld PCs will never be mainstream like Nintendo - people who love tech and have powerful PCs will get Steamdecks and ROG Ally’s but a family with young kids will ALWAYS prefer a Switch. It’s family friendly, has tons of popular kid-friendly IP, and has plenty of smaller indie games in the back catalogue.
Nintendo's games aren't always enough.
NES to SNES (62M to 50M)
GB to GBA (118M to 81M)
Wii to Wii U (101M to 13.5M)
DS to 3DS (154M to 75M)
Nintendo consoles sales drop dramatically when it's just a more powerful successor to something revolutionary.
All these pc handhelds combined can't even beat Nintendo's biggest flop. There is no competition.
There are alot of nuances here.
SNES faced alot more fearced direct competition than the NES which the Switch 2 wont have.
GB sold for 11 years while GBA was on the market for only 3.5 years before the DS.
3DS was overpriced at launch, had a very poor launch lineup, had competition from the emerging smartphones and was not just a more powerful DS(Nobody asked for 3D. Which was unused and even raised the price of the console)
Wii U was overpriced at launch, had a poor launch lineup, had a bad name, had awful marketting, was in direct competition with Sony and MS and wasn't just a more powerful Wii. It had the gamepad that was clunky, was used in like 5 games and no one asked for that.
If Switch 2 follows in the steps of the Switch 1 it should do more than fine. Playstation does this all the time and it works why can't Nintendo??
@@alexk9295actually that is a big unknown. Valve does not disclose deck sales numbers but they are selling them as fast as they can make them. It has been a top seller on steam globally since release being away from the number 1 spot for 3 months since release in 2020. They have likely sold close to 10 million units. And sure that is not impressive if you consider the switch sold 10x that but it is a phenomenal achievement for what is almost an internal product marketed almost exclusively only inside Steam. As more people become aware of it the price/performance ratio is hard to beat.
This is not a totally accurate list. GBA and DS were being sold at the same time. DS sales negatively impacted GBA sales despite GBA being a huge success nonetheless.
For 1-2 hours on the go. Can it call compete for handheld ? If for indie game it can run on Mobile full version too. Not sure it’s the same market.
Why do people think there is any competition at all? People buy Nintendo for Nintendo games. People that care about graphics and power do not buy a Nintendo Switch. This is such a dead and overblown narrative in my opinion.
It's not even about graphics or power, it's about a better end user experience.
@@JF-vz1ju it is about graphics and power nothing more nothing less, stop trying to shift and narrative, you could have all the graphics and power of the world, but all that is useless without magic and charm, and nobody does magic and charm like Nintendo does.
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Just some general corrective info.
The GPD Win came out in 2016 and was relatively successful. The Steam Deck was also being designed long before the Switch came out. Most likely manufacturers would have taken the hint either way even without the Switch.
It's not inherently unethical to play Switch games on PC.
exactly, chances are, companies asked nintendo to get much better hardwarew that can compete with sony and nintendo snubbed them, so they waited for the steamdeck, a few companies ported to the switch just to prove the point of nintendo's hardware limitations, but companies don't want to re-create the same game just to port their games on a shitty handheld that will be replaced with something else eventually
2024 Black Friday Switches will sell more than portable handheld gaming pc’s . Switch is still more than the handheld portable gaming PC devices .
If we buy Nintendo, aren’t we supporting fun innovative game development?
Ninty is less than 50% the price of windows handhelds. There's no competition, Ninty will continue to charge full price for games and sue everyone.
All the comments about “these can emulate switch games” completely miss the point and are in their own bubble