That was probably the best video i have ever seen ,to the point, clearly started information, with great video quality. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I will subscribe.
Lee makes a chart, that comes with their hardness testing die that you should check out. Its not velocity but pressure that causes lead cutting and leading of the bbl. (Like u said) It shows u a hardness compared to max load pressure. Copper has a bh of 90 vs lead alloy of 25.
You can also get sterling silver in sheets of varying thickness, You might try that too,,, ya never know when you are going to run into werewolf! Just saying.... BTW, an excellent video!
Thanks CW.... excellent detailed explanation about gas checks and the tool...... Learned a little bit more.... I have seen some people using a old school paper cutter to cut a little bigger than the die strips to make more checks and waste less waste.... So a plain base bullet is a straight walled bullet without a ridge on the bottom? Right? Like a gas checked bullet has a small stepped ridge right?
Hey Michael guy work in are machine shop in mill made own die. I got hand full of his checks to try and some noe bullets from him. He been running flashing bc are copper we make to light or to thick.
Good video. In my experience I agree that powder coating works great in pistol calibers. I have 2 Rossi lever action rifles with 20" barrels, a 357 and a 454 and I push my cast bullets over 1700fps in both with no leading, no smoke or messy lubes. Those loads are using standard, fast pistol powders, when looking for more and using slower burning magnum class powders I gas check the bullets with a plain base gas check and I can push velocity's much higher without leading. Once pressures and velocity go up with the hotter and longer powder burn down the barrel leading can occur making a mess. I use aluminum step flashing most times, .010" thick and at 64 cents / sheet it's very economical and works excellent. The powder coated bullets need to be resized anyhow so I apply the gas check at the same time with a cheap Lee Resize Kit. A couple pumps of my homemade spray lubricant (1oz of liquid Lanolin into 12oz of 100% alcohol in an old Dawn Power Spray bottle) makes everything really easy.
@tripplebeards3427 Just seat/size. They will be fine. I have not seen any split. I thought I had your email... But could not find it!! Amazon has GC alum flashing rolls .014 35 beans!
Man that GC on the PB bullet looks like a real winner!.... its looks something I need to invest in for my 35 rifles, not sure what to get yet. Good info on why GCs are needed, not alot of info out there even in the old Lyman manuals
@@cw2a So is this the tool Dima Prok was selling and he sold out to Matteson's? Veral Smith of LBT had one in the works but thats done I suspect. I think he's just selling off whatever didnt burn in the fire. How did you end up choosing this one over the others out there?
@@leveractiongypsy1848 A good friend Ricci Baird was in contact with them. He was impressed with there "caliber". Things just worked out. Did ya catch the live stream we did on Georgia Shooters couple weeks ago with Matteson's?
@@cw2a No Ill have to look it up and check it out. I did a cross state move to Utah a few months ago so I'm still getting my business up to speed. I'm getting ready to start shooting and loading again within the month
Very cool cw. We roll copper at work all to thick or to light of gauge. Think some of .8 or .10 in rolled once a month maybe. Guy work made own die in machine shop he been use a small lee press. He said swage bullets theo killer on a press. He tell swaged some hp in some flat points for 357mag in 44mag and did batch of 223 bullets
So I came across this old video of yours. I've been hashing around a couple of ideas around that I have some thoughts on to get some feedback. I'll start with the thought experiment first. I have two of the 22 reloaders percussion cap makers. They work however they are not well formed. Leaving big caps in the folds, that appears to allow a flame jump from one cylinder to the next on a revolver. And I've seen some chain fire with them. So I've been trying to come up a type of swage to tighten up the folds for a cleaner more uniform fit. These dies appear to have possibilities(of course at the correct size. For that matter make a better percussion caps to begin with. Now for the question... I noticed you talked a bit on powder coating. I've considering try to do some. Mostly to help visually identify black powder loads from higher pressured smokeless loads. However with B.P. loads I feel I still need my natural lubes, so the question is.. Do you think it's possible to get the powder coating to take on a individual bases on just the nose???. I have so many bullets I've designed per caliber as well to keep sorted visually as well Mountain man
Powder coating can have many uses. 100% I do not consider it a lube replacement in Black Powder. It wont appreciably change hardness but will durability and lead guarding. So if you could just PC part I see no issues. I have seen guys spray bullets with a spraygun guarding noses so just bearing surfaces get coated.
I haven't tried gas checks, all of my molds are plain base, and this is the first I've heard of gas checks for plain bases. I'm definitely interested! I've heard a lot of guys say that, all other things being equal, gas checks will tighten groups. Have you found that to be true with these plain base gas checks?
Excellent demo. Do you know if there is a tool specifically made to size and clean lead cast bullet heal and base for both non gas check and gas check sizing. I use lee sizing dies will be willing to use any. I need to true the base because when it comes out of the mold it has a crease in it and uneven on the bottom.
Not thst I have seen. No. But if your not able to get a good cast, your mold may be the issue. Investigate. Be sure it can completely close and sprue plate is properly fit & tensioned. LEE molds have MANY ISSUES. I often need to address problems before I ever cast one.
Great video. I have a question about the bullets you are checking. I saw a similar mold on the accurate molds website.the design is specifically for powder coated bullets. No lube grooves so full bearing surface. Step down on the nose so it fits into the rifling. How do you like this bullet design as compared to the regular lube groove bullet? I am looking to order a mold for my double rifle in 9.3x74R, (.366), but i am undecided as to bullet design.
What would happen if you doubled the soda can material. Im very interested if it works. 6"×96" copper is around $50. 1000 Lyman gas checks are $45/1000. If you can use soda cand, thats a deal breaker. Please lmk. Do they have a .264/6.5mm? Those are almost always dold out..Im casting for that diameter. I enjoyed this video and process. Good job young fella.
Hum. Might not lie as flat but frankly every bullet I have tried had enough shank there. Good question, Ill have ta experiment next time i have a need.
Cousins ta the ones on the range that always get 1-3 pieces of your brass! AFTERNOON BROTHER!! Hope all well I dont hear from you enough! I MISS YA MAN!!!
Haha. True enough about Mr Keith. But checks overcome pressures encountered when seeing more velocity. I can do a aweful lot in some guns with just good fit, good alloy and powder coating. But a gas check is a good tool to know for every caster. Entirely omitting them, is only handicapping yourself. Tha ks for watching man!! 🙏💥🙏
That was probably the best video i have ever seen ,to the point, clearly started information, with great video quality. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I will subscribe.
You are too kind thank you! Happy ta help!
I feel lied to. That was definitely not to the point, it was a rambling mess lol. Good info, sure, but my god succinct it was not.
@@matthewspeller Yea... I can get distracted. 😜. Apologies hope it was at least somewhat worthwhile. 🙏❤️🩹🙏❤️🩹
I appreciate this video because im a gunsmith/machinist wanting to make a die to punch out percussion caps and this design will do.
Awesome!! Thanks for commenting!! 🙏😝👍🏼😝🙏
Lee makes a chart, that comes with their hardness testing die that you should check out. Its not velocity but pressure that causes lead cutting and leading of the bbl. (Like u said)
It shows u a hardness compared to max load pressure. Copper has a bh of 90 vs lead alloy of 25.
💥❤️🩹👍🏼❤️🩹💥. Yes sir! Its a good guide if ya are not powder coating.
Another great video from a great teacher and a very cool tool. I won't speak for anyone else, but I always learn something new from you.
Most gracious my friend!! Thanks you. 💪🏼😋❤️🩹👍🏼
Agreed 👍
You can also get sterling silver in sheets of varying thickness, You might try that too,,, ya never know when you are going to run into werewolf! Just saying.... BTW, an excellent video!
Thanks for the info 😜😜🙏😳🙏😜
That is so Cool, like the hanging containers too. 👍😁
Thanks Rog! ❤❤
That's so cool! I think Dave and Kim will want this video on their website. You explain a lot here, CW. Excellent work.
Thank you Jamie! 🙏♥️🤟🏽🤘🏼
Great video. I love your exclamations actually learn something from it.
Glad to hear it! THANK YOU!!❤️🩹🙏❤️🩹🙏
Thanks for showing us the process CW! He has a great product there. I liked seeing the end result after you sized it too. 😊🇺🇸🔥👏👏👍
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Very cool ,
I am going to try and catch up with the chat
Thank you for the video
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Thanks for the lesson.
My pleasure! 😜👍🏼❤️🩹❤️🩹
Good stuff, CW! I saved this one to watch while working on leather. Thanks for keeping me company!
Right on! Morning Marc! 👍🏼🇺🇸❤️🩹🤘🏼😜
I really enjoyed your video thanks 👍🏻
Thank you!! ❤️🩹👍🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏❤️🩹
Huge difference between the can and the copper! Interesting with the castle tops, I see that being the extra material. Good deal!
Hello James!!
Yup! Thanks sir!
dude, that pacific press is from 1979......I had one when I first started the game, i still use it for sizing........great job
Its a "GOODUN"!! Thanks man!! 😜🙏❤️🩹🙏😜
Cool stuff.😎👊
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Very interesting and helpful.
Thank you.
Makes me happy man! Glad ya enjoyed it!! 🤘🏼🙏❤️🩹🙏🤘🏼
👍 Thanks for the video. And information.
You are very welcome! 🤟🏽😋🤘🏼❤️🩹
Very informative! That's some cool wizzbang processing. Right up there with an episode of how it's made. Good stuff.
Haha. Thanks Timmy!! 😝🤘🏼💪🏼😝👍🏼❤️🩹
Morning great video thanks for sharing
Thanks Julio! 💪🏼❤️🩹👍🏼
Thanks CW.... excellent detailed explanation about gas checks and the tool...... Learned a little bit more.... I have seen some people using a old school paper cutter to cut a little bigger than the die strips to make more checks and waste less waste.... So a plain base bullet is a straight walled bullet without a ridge on the bottom? Right? Like a gas checked bullet has a small stepped ridge right?
Correct. And thank you. Plain base refers to a cast bullet NOT designed for a gas check.
Hey Michael guy work in are machine shop in mill made own die. I got hand full of his checks to try and some noe bullets from him. He been running flashing bc are copper we make to light or to thick.
Good morning CW. 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸☕️☕️
Morning Al! 🤘🏼💪🏼❤️🩹👍🏼
A lot of great info CW
Thanks Chris!! 😋❤️🩹
Good video. In my experience I agree that powder coating works great in pistol calibers. I have 2 Rossi lever action rifles with 20" barrels, a 357 and a 454 and I push my cast bullets over 1700fps in both with no leading, no smoke or messy lubes. Those loads are using standard, fast pistol powders, when looking for more and using slower burning magnum class powders I gas check the bullets with a plain base gas check and I can push velocity's much higher without leading. Once pressures and velocity go up with the hotter and longer powder burn down the barrel leading can occur making a mess. I use aluminum step flashing most times, .010" thick and at 64 cents / sheet it's very economical and works excellent. The powder coated bullets need to be resized anyhow so I apply the gas check at the same time with a cheap Lee Resize Kit. A couple pumps of my homemade spray lubricant (1oz of liquid Lanolin into 12oz of 100% alcohol in an old Dawn Power Spray bottle) makes everything really easy.
Good stuff man!! 100% with ya!!
Great video. The Sage aluminum GCs have more wrinkles then your pop can GCs. I still will try and seat a few and see if they smooth out.
I think I’m gonna size them upside down in my lee sizer vs the normal way. Figure that will keep them from splitting ?
@tripplebeards3427
Just seat/size. They will be fine.
I have not seen any split.
I thought I had your email... But could not find it!!
Amazon has GC alum flashing rolls .014 35 beans!
Very cool. I will be stopping by over there.... Subbed man
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Great explanations, C-Dub. Very detailed! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Thank you sir!! 😋❤️🩹👍🏼
seen a lot of videos about gas checks but no one really explained why you need them and what they do. thanks
Glad you found my video! Thanks my friend. 🙏❤️🩹🙏❤️🩹
Gass checks help reducing barrel leading acting as a barrier between the soft lead and burning gasses.
Man that GC on the PB bullet looks like a real winner!.... its looks something I need to invest in for my 35 rifles, not sure what to get yet. Good info on why GCs are needed, not alot of info out there even in the old Lyman manuals
Hello man!! Yes they are awesome resources!! 🇺🇸❤️🩹🇺🇸❤️🩹🙏
@@cw2a So is this the tool Dima Prok was selling and he sold out to Matteson's? Veral Smith of LBT had one in the works but thats done I suspect. I think he's just selling off whatever didnt burn in the fire. How did you end up choosing this one over the others out there?
@@leveractiongypsy1848 A good friend Ricci Baird was in contact with them. He was impressed with there "caliber". Things just worked out. Did ya catch the live stream we did on Georgia Shooters couple weeks ago with Matteson's?
@@cw2a No Ill have to look it up and check it out. I did a cross state move to Utah a few months ago so I'm still getting my business up to speed. I'm getting ready to start shooting and loading again within the month
Very cool cw. We roll copper at work all to thick or to light of gauge. Think some of .8 or .10 in rolled once a month maybe. Guy work made own die in machine shop he been use a small lee press. He said swage bullets theo killer on a press. He tell swaged some hp in some flat points for 357mag in 44mag and did batch of 223 bullets
I have swaged 40 cases made into 44 & 9mm made into 40 and 22 RF empties swaged i to 53g 224 Projectiles.
So I came across this old video of yours. I've been hashing around a couple of ideas around that I have some thoughts on to get some feedback.
I'll start with the thought experiment first. I have two of the 22 reloaders percussion cap makers. They work however they are not well formed. Leaving big caps in the folds, that appears to allow a flame jump from one cylinder to the next on a revolver. And I've seen some chain fire with them.
So I've been trying to come up a type of swage to tighten up the folds for a cleaner more uniform fit.
These dies appear to have possibilities(of course at the correct size.
For that matter make a better percussion caps to begin with.
Now for the question... I noticed you talked a bit on powder coating. I've considering try to do some. Mostly to help visually identify black powder loads from higher pressured smokeless loads. However with B.P. loads I feel I still need my natural lubes, so the question is..
Do you think it's possible to get the powder coating to take on a individual bases on just the nose???.
I have so many bullets I've designed per caliber as well to keep sorted visually as well
Mountain man
Powder coating can have many uses.
100% I do not consider it a lube replacement in Black Powder. It wont appreciably change hardness but will durability and lead guarding. So if you could just PC part I see no issues.
I have seen guys spray bullets with a spraygun guarding noses so just bearing surfaces get coated.
I haven't tried gas checks, all of my molds are plain base, and this is the first I've heard of gas checks for plain bases. I'm definitely interested! I've heard a lot of guys say that, all other things being equal, gas checks will tighten groups. Have you found that to be true with these plain base gas checks?
I haven't no. But I guess its accurate if you used conventional lube and a rifle. Then I would have to agree that a GC would be more accurate.
Cool thanks for the video!
Your welcome Dylan! 💪🏼❤️🩹👍🏼
You should work in the R&D department for an ammo manufacturer creating or improving ammo
Thanks Brother! Most appreciated. 😋❤️🩹👍🏼🇺🇸🤟🏽
Excellent demo. Do you know if there is a tool specifically made to size and clean lead cast bullet heal and base for both non gas check and gas check sizing. I use lee sizing dies will be willing to use any. I need to true the base because when it comes out of the mold it has a crease in it and uneven on the bottom.
Not thst I have seen. No. But if your not able to get a good cast, your mold may be the issue.
Investigate. Be sure it can completely close and sprue plate is properly fit & tensioned.
LEE molds have MANY ISSUES. I often need to address problems before I ever cast one.
great video CW can you double up on the drink cans? think that might work
I doubt it. They wouldn't likely stay on.
Was going to ask this same thing. Would like to see him try just to see!
Man I wish I had half of ur knowledge
Morning Alex!! Im here ta share!! 😝💪🏼🤟🏽❤️🩹👍🏼
Great video. I have a question about the bullets you are checking. I saw a similar mold on the accurate molds website.the design is specifically for powder coated bullets. No lube grooves so full bearing surface. Step down on the nose so it fits into the rifling. How do you like this bullet design as compared to the regular lube groove bullet? I am looking to order a mold for my double rifle in 9.3x74R, (.366), but i am undecided as to bullet design.
I was skeptical. But these "slick side" bullets have shot side by side with conventional bullets.
Thank you. That is what I needed to know
What would happen if you doubled the soda can material. Im very interested if it works. 6"×96" copper is around $50. 1000 Lyman gas checks are $45/1000. If you can use soda cand, thats a deal breaker. Please lmk. Do they have a .264/6.5mm?
Those are almost always dold out..Im casting for that diameter. I enjoyed this video and process. Good job young fella.
What Im saying is to double the thickness of the soda can. Betcha is works like a top.
Tang containers are great for powder coating
@@SiliconeSword 💥🤘🏼ill watch for some!! 💥🤘🏼
@cw2a they're the same as that clear/white container in your video, must be that other companies use that one for their drink mix or whatever
@SiliconeSword OK those are KoolAide containers. I get a ton of those in supper from a buddy.
Cool!
Morning John! Thanks you sir!
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Mornin CW good stuff
Thanks Don. Lil long... apologies. I filmed that first part three times!! That was shortest!! 😋😋💪🏼❤️🩹👍🏼🤟🏽
Some aluminum bottles are thicker than cans. The ones that make crimped alcohol stoves.
I have herd this before. Ill see if I can find some ta try.
Thanks and I appreciate that! 🇺🇸🙏❤️🩹🙏🇺🇸
@@cw2a Bud and Michelob
@@cw2a Bud and Michelob
Coors is thin
Hello Didnt know that anyone made a gas check maker for nongas check bullet . Mmmmm🤔
😋🤟🏽👍🏼🤘🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸. Give them a call! Be sure ta tell them ya say the videos!!
How does it work with grease-groove cast bullets? Like with a plain base of only 0.09 high.
Hum. Might not lie as flat but frankly every bullet I have tried had enough shank there. Good question, Ill have ta experiment next time i have a need.
Pretty cool😎
Good morning MOC!! 😋❤️🩹👍🏼
Good day CW! 🙂
Evening Mike!! 😋❤️🩹👍🏼
Have you tried continuous punching the gas checks until they pop out of the top
That is how he has it designed.
But no I have not.
Thanks for watching!
Darn those gremlins.
Cousins ta the ones on the range that always get 1-3 pieces of your brass!
AFTERNOON BROTHER!! Hope all well I dont hear from you enough! I MISS YA MAN!!!
Can these be sized through a Lee bullet sizing die?
Yes! I use the Lee and the NOE theu the LEE APP.
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No need for checks..... fit is king. Elmer Kieth hated checks
Haha. True enough about Mr Keith. But checks overcome pressures encountered when seeing more velocity. I can do a aweful lot in some guns with just good fit, good alloy and powder coating. But a gas check is a good tool to know for every caster. Entirely omitting them, is only handicapping yourself.
Tha ks for watching man!! 🙏💥🙏
Does the gas check stay on the bullet?
Ooh yea!!! No issues there!! ❤️🩹🙏😜