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I’m the great Grandson of Thomas J Dixon. Parliamentarian of Nova Scotia in the late 19th century by way of Ulster Ireland and Lanarkshire Scotland, and I’m an American.
This is a great segment. Finally, half of my own family is getting their just due. Thanks to both of these gentlemen for giving the Scotch-Irish this praise and adulation.
Scot-Irish American here. Born Fighting is one of my favorite books, the first time I read it I could recognize my own family norms, values and traditions perfectly. Of course, being an American means being a mix of many cultures, but I could see the foundations of my people and it was honestly cathartic, just to have our history collected into a cohesive narrative like that.
James Webb is a badass . Was awarded the Navy Cross in Vietnam. He wrote 2 of my favorite books Fields of Fire a novel of the Vietnam war and A sense of Honor about the US Naval Academy during Vietnam era. Another great book is the Nightengale’s Song by Robert Tinnernberg which goes into his service in Vietnam. It is mostly about Iran Contra though.
There is a documentary based on this book. "Born Fighting -The Scots-Irish". You can find it on youtube in parts 1 and 2 on the youtube channel "Forged in Ulster". It is an interesting documentary; albeit, a bit romanticized. While most of the Scots-Irish come from Ulster Scots (lowland Scots and border Scots/English who first were settled in northern Ireland) there is some admixture (~10%) of "Pennsylvania Dutch" German and French Huguenot in the Scots-Irish. You see that in some of the German and French names (eg Crockett) in and around Appalachia.
Teddy Roosevelt was Dutch-American. Why is his photo there? His mother had partially Scottish ancestry but was from a rich southern family. Not Scots-Irish Appalachia.
Scot-irish doesnt mean anyone from scotland and ireland. Its an specific group of scottish people that moved to ireland to spread protestantism by the king of england. Thats why northern ireland is a country and part of the UK. It also explain why there was so much conflict in that region.
And the Scots-Irish weren’t just Scottish, the North of England had always been rebellious against the king. The Scots-Irish were just lowland Scots and northern English who were ungovernable, but at least they weren’t Catholic at least that’s the way the King saw it.
Penn was a Quaker and his fellow Quakers were pacifists, even in the realm of personal self defense... The PA colony was only safe in the very eastern corridor of Philadelphia. So Penn specifically went around lobbying the Old World, specifically the Scots-Irish to come to the Colonies in order to defend themselves from Indians who were everywhere along their frontier. Many of them also went and populated all of East Tenn, what became Western VA and the western part of N and S Carolina's... the part of the Confederacy that were most pro-Union during the war and had almost no slaves.
Excellent segment! But I'd point out you pictured a Dutchman on your cover pic - yes TR was Scot's Irish on his mothers side, but his father's family was staunchly Dutch and he always viewed himself as a Dutchman. I will admit his martial side was most likely inspired by his maternal uncles exploits during the Civil war, while his father paid for a substitute to serve in his place.
Far more were from England, the goat Robert E Lee was of English ancestry. Richard Lee I was an immigrant from Shropshire, England who moved to Virginia in 1639.
I want to call out the so called "fierce individualism" of the scots-irish. As an irish born person who grew up his whole life in scotland, this shows how little americans understand about us. The one thing you would characterise the irish catholics and the scots with is FIERCE COLLECTIVISM, we have and continue to be more focues on the collectivr than the individual. There are many reasons why this is the case; English colonialism and conquest over 800 years of both people history, the erasure of our cultures by said english, the lack of economic prospects and higher percentage of working class/psuedo serfdom conditions in which these oeople lived in. You dont get 800 years of continuous resistance to an external colonial force because of individualism, its collectivism. Where the individualism may come into play for these immigrant pools is most likely due to america gebuinely being tje first chance they had to have individual liberty, which would have never been accepted under english rule. As well as the potential opportunity that provided to these historically impiverished and oppressed people. Andrew carnegie (from my hometown dunfermline) is a good example of this. But i think its way way too simplistic and counter factual to claim we are cultures steeped in individualism, thats more of an english concept
I think you're mixing up the concepts. Northern Europe as in (Scotland, Scandinavia, Netherlands, France) are countries that rank most highly on the Individualism scale. (see Geert Hofstede map). Which means respect/tolerance for Religious Freedoms, Freedom of Speech, Rule of Law, Self Expression. It's also linked to Protestantism. These are Guilt-based cultures. The Scottish Enlightenment movement enhanced this. Comparing to Collectivist Cultures, such as India, Turkey, Bangladesh, China... the focus is not on the Individual but on the Family level, and these are also Shame-based cultures. The British Isles are considered the most Free people in the world, before the America Revolution. So the immigrants didn't just go there for individual liberty, they went there for land and opportunity. The landed gentry owned all the land in Scotland and England, so migrating West was a chance to find/make it economically.
I have a theory on exactly where the shit comes from, where it goes, why it does go there and how to resolve it.... I've been working on this for a lifetime. ❤
The Welsh always get forgotten in all of this. Always fascinates me as to why the Irish and Scottish had this enduring legacy when more Welsh people signed the declaration of independence than any other nationality, including Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.
“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” ✡️-James Paul Warburg, whose family co-founded the Federal Reserve - while speaking before the United States Senate, February 17, 1950
George lll called the American Revolution that “Presbyterian rebellion….” haven’t watched the whole podcast but even beyond race and culture America has to thank its origins to Presbyterianism and Christianity (origins of Ivy League colleges and of course everything mentioned in this clip)
Scots, Irish are no different to English, Welsh. Americans still make fools of themselves thinking everyone in England are royalty. You could put every single one in a room and you wouldn’t tell the different until they spoke. It’s the equivalent of saying each Midwest state are completely different.
With respect perhaps do a full length on the building of America on The Irish and others on the criminal/1st Mobs of such immigrants. Kinda important historically - Just a mention as this is far deon unusual
“Screw you attitude” is going up the same alley as thinking that the British empire was an English thing when in reality, the Irish and Scottish all had significant roles. You also then talk about oppression, do you realise who was in Ireland? It was the Scot’s, not the English you dummy. It was also Irish soldiers that were responsible for the Boston massacre. You ask most Americans and they would have said English. In their mind, the rest were victims of the made up English oppressor.
Thank you for this view - Hillbilly Elegy is now famous. A much better book, easier for reading and understanding the good and the bad of lives of this demographic is "Somewheres in the Middle: a creative memoir", by Frank Gordon, (2020) was self-published but has great reviews by those who read the book. in school, everyone was encouraged to tell their ethnic background story EXCEPT any 'early whites', aka, Scots-Irish along with the British in the Southern states. "Albion's Seed" (1989 goes into the demographic details even better. As a child, it didn't seem fair, our ancestors had put hard work into making wilderness into farms and towns, putting education and thought into setting up a good system for government, but hush, don't say anything about that. Are early arrivals all rich? Nope. You've got to have some greedy dynasty-minded ancestors who had NO bad luck, accidents or illness, to be rich so much later. We aren't good at slick advertising, either.
Trump has picked 11 billionaires into his cabinet so far, who no doubt became rich working for the cause of the working class, and will continue supporting them selflessly. 😂
Saagar would rather thank white people for allowing him to be even though they largely didn’t want him here and he would’ve been banned by the strict racial quotas of time vs. thanking the contributions of the civil rights movement which actually made the country accessible to him. Interesting and noted.
@@holdenmuganda97 Celebrate? Party balloons and cake? Never. I’ve only seen him say negative things though about DEI, affirmative action. or woke nonsense. He seems to praise meritocracy, and equal opportunity.
@ equal opportunity or EEOC is just the old term for DEI. The the idea that meritocracy dominates this country more than money, connections, and nepotism is pretty funny since the term “meritocracy” was a term used ironically by the person who created it. It’s just something that the rich use now to say they deserve their place on top rather than the old “birthright nobility”. Now they just convince you that they earned their fortunes with “small loans of a million dollars”. Not to say there’s never been a truly self-made billionaire but most of them are born into to money and have plenty of access to connections and capital and get a nice cushion when they fail.
You mention Scotland and Ireland being oppressed, you still aren’t aware that those occupying Ireland were Scot’s. They weren’t English. The orange order and UVF had Scottish and Ulster scot founders. Scottish Protestants are still the most motivated unionists in Britain and Ireland. This unionist identity that the Scot’s were the most motivated in was central to Britain’s rule in Ireland. So stop with the Scot’s being oppressed crap. They were the ones running things in Ireland, not the English.
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I’m the great Grandson of Thomas J Dixon. Parliamentarian of Nova Scotia in the late 19th century by way of Ulster Ireland and Lanarkshire Scotland, and I’m an American.
awesome to have such a badass ancestry, yet you are just so so average, guess it doesnt carry over
😂@@Kurutier
This is a great segment. Finally, half of my own family is getting their just due. Thanks to both of these gentlemen for giving the Scotch-Irish this praise and adulation.
What's the other half
Proud Scots-Irish here.... I am a direct descendant of a man who enlisted at Ft. Pitt and fought in the Revolution.
W.V. born and raised, my family came to these parts in the 1850s. when it comes to JD Vance I can say god damn right, givem hell!!
If that is the reason why u voted for JD vance than my friend u believe in identity politics...just like the dems
Scot-Irish American here. Born Fighting is one of my favorite books, the first time I read it I could recognize my own family norms, values and traditions perfectly. Of course, being an American means being a mix of many cultures, but I could see the foundations of my people and it was honestly cathartic, just to have our history collected into a cohesive narrative like that.
Ronald Reagan is of Irish Catholic descent more so than Scots Irish
This entire podcast with saagar was brilliant - learned so much - from a Scot 😊
Absolutely love your extraordinarily interesting content! Thank you Lex!
‘Born Fighting’ is a fantastic read.
There is another excellent book that covers the Scottish; “How the Scots Created the Modern World”. A great read.
James Webb is a badass . Was awarded the Navy Cross in Vietnam. He wrote 2 of my favorite books Fields of Fire a novel of the Vietnam war and A sense of Honor about the US Naval Academy during Vietnam era. Another great book is the Nightengale’s Song by Robert Tinnernberg which goes into his service in Vietnam. It is mostly about Iran Contra though.
Jim Webb also did a documentary on the Scotts Irish that was on the history channel
There is a documentary based on this book. "Born Fighting -The Scots-Irish". You can find it on youtube in parts 1 and 2 on the youtube channel "Forged in Ulster". It is an interesting documentary; albeit, a bit romanticized.
While most of the Scots-Irish come from Ulster Scots (lowland Scots and border Scots/English who first were settled in northern Ireland) there is some admixture (~10%) of "Pennsylvania Dutch" German and French Huguenot in the Scots-Irish. You see that in some of the German and French names (eg Crockett) in and around Appalachia.
Teddy Roosevelt is Dutch by the way.
Yes! I don’t know how they thought that? 🤔
Two of my favorite commentators on the story of our time. Love it! Now I have to get the Webb book .
Such great awareness of our time in life and cognizant analysis of how our past shaped our future.
I like to think it was his Dutch Thick headedness that was the secret to Roosevelt’s success.
Props to these early leaders.
Teddy Roosevelt was Dutch-American. Why is his photo there? His mother had partially Scottish ancestry but was from a rich southern family. Not Scots-Irish Appalachia.
Scot-Irish just put the Celtic race as Scotland/Ireland is the last strong hold of the Celtic’s
Scot-irish doesnt mean anyone from scotland and ireland. Its an specific group of scottish people that moved to ireland to spread protestantism by the king of england. Thats why northern ireland is a country and part of the UK. It also explain why there was so much conflict in that region.
And the Scots-Irish weren’t just Scottish, the North of England had always been rebellious against the king. The Scots-Irish were just lowland Scots and northern English who were ungovernable, but at least they weren’t Catholic at least that’s the way the King saw it.
What about Andy Richter, the Swedish German
Hah, RIP Norm
Nice to get our dues.. Chattanooga, Tennessee, Appalachia
Penn was a Quaker and his fellow Quakers were pacifists, even in the realm of personal self defense... The PA colony was only safe in the very eastern corridor of Philadelphia. So Penn specifically went around lobbying the Old World, specifically the Scots-Irish to come to the Colonies in order to defend themselves from Indians who were everywhere along their frontier. Many of them also went and populated all of East Tenn, what became Western VA and the western part of N and S Carolina's... the part of the Confederacy that were most pro-Union during the war and had almost no slaves.
I will give that Scots-Irish book a listen, but you two give JD way too much credit
Excellent segment! But I'd point out you pictured a Dutchman on your cover pic - yes TR was Scot's Irish on his mothers side, but his father's family was staunchly Dutch and he always viewed himself as a Dutchman. I will admit his martial side was most likely inspired by his maternal uncles exploits during the Civil war, while his father paid for a substitute to serve in his place.
Roosevelt was Dutch.
“Never start a fight with anything that isn’t you”
Have this guest once a month to educate the public on the deeper understanding of this country.
Not country music,, bluegrass music more specifically
He lost me there
The picture used for this video is a president who was famously of quasi-aristocratic Dutch heritage.
Far more were from England, the goat Robert E Lee was of English ancestry. Richard Lee I was an immigrant from Shropshire, England who moved to Virginia in 1639.
This book must be required reading for every college student.
I want to call out the so called "fierce individualism" of the scots-irish. As an irish born person who grew up his whole life in scotland, this shows how little americans understand about us. The one thing you would characterise the irish catholics and the scots with is FIERCE COLLECTIVISM, we have and continue to be more focues on the collectivr than the individual. There are many reasons why this is the case; English colonialism and conquest over 800 years of both people history, the erasure of our cultures by said english, the lack of economic prospects and higher percentage of working class/psuedo serfdom conditions in which these oeople lived in. You dont get 800 years of continuous resistance to an external colonial force because of individualism, its collectivism.
Where the individualism may come into play for these immigrant pools is most likely due to america gebuinely being tje first chance they had to have individual liberty, which would have never been accepted under english rule. As well as the potential opportunity that provided to these historically impiverished and oppressed people. Andrew carnegie (from my hometown dunfermline) is a good example of this. But i think its way way too simplistic and counter factual to claim we are cultures steeped in individualism, thats more of an english concept
I think you're mixing up the concepts. Northern Europe as in (Scotland, Scandinavia, Netherlands, France) are countries that rank most highly on the Individualism scale. (see Geert Hofstede map). Which means respect/tolerance for Religious Freedoms, Freedom of Speech, Rule of Law, Self Expression. It's also linked to Protestantism. These are Guilt-based cultures. The Scottish Enlightenment movement enhanced this.
Comparing to Collectivist Cultures, such as India, Turkey, Bangladesh, China... the focus is not on the Individual but on the Family level, and these are also Shame-based cultures.
The British Isles are considered the most Free people in the world, before the America Revolution. So the immigrants didn't just go there for individual liberty, they went there for land and opportunity. The landed gentry owned all the land in Scotland and England, so migrating West was a chance to find/make it economically.
I have a theory on exactly where the shit comes from, where it goes, why it does go there and how to resolve it.... I've been working on this for a lifetime. ❤
The Welsh always get forgotten in all of this. Always fascinates me as to why the Irish and Scottish had this enduring legacy when more Welsh people signed the declaration of independence than any other nationality, including Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.
“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”
✡️-James Paul Warburg, whose family co-founded the Federal Reserve - while speaking before the United States Senate, February 17, 1950
George lll called the American Revolution that “Presbyterian rebellion….” haven’t watched the whole podcast but even beyond race and culture America has to thank its origins to Presbyterianism and Christianity (origins of Ivy League colleges and of course everything mentioned in this clip)
Scot-Irish 💪
breaking points has gotten much worse lately. hope it improves.
Yeah Krystal & corp dems have taken it over
Scots, Irish are no different to English, Welsh. Americans still make fools of themselves thinking everyone in England are royalty. You could put every single one in a room and you wouldn’t tell the different until they spoke. It’s the equivalent of saying each Midwest state are completely different.
With respect perhaps do a full length on the building of America on The Irish and others on the criminal/1st Mobs of such immigrants. Kinda important historically - Just a mention as this is far deon unusual
Slovenian-Americans mentioned 😀
You're forgetting the German General (VonSteuban)😂who whipped the rebel militias into a functional army that defeated the Brits.
Trump scotch German
You left off Trump, perhaps the most badass of all
I was told it was black people that made America LOL
And you're welcome.
this reminds me of the only movie "Brave heart", we need that kinda of spirit, sacrifice for a better society
When does Lex interview Kneecap?
“Screw you attitude” is going up the same alley as thinking that the British empire was an English thing when in reality, the Irish and Scottish all had significant roles. You also then talk about oppression, do you realise who was in Ireland? It was the Scot’s, not the English you dummy. It was also Irish soldiers that were responsible for the Boston massacre. You ask most Americans and they would have said English. In their mind, the rest were victims of the made up English oppressor.
Glasgow Scotland since July 83. There is nowhere like it on earth 🏴
The SNP have done a lot of damage though over their 15 years in power, particularly Sturgeon, time for a change, the SNP need to be voted out asap
Thank you for this view - Hillbilly Elegy is now famous. A much better book, easier for reading and understanding the good and the bad of lives of this demographic is "Somewheres in the Middle: a creative memoir", by Frank Gordon, (2020) was self-published but has great reviews by those who read the book.
in school, everyone was encouraged to tell their ethnic background story EXCEPT any 'early whites', aka, Scots-Irish along with the British in the Southern states. "Albion's Seed" (1989 goes into the demographic details even better. As a child, it didn't seem fair, our ancestors had put hard work into making wilderness into farms and towns, putting education and thought into setting up a good system for government, but hush, don't say anything about that. Are early arrivals all rich? Nope. You've got to have some greedy dynasty-minded ancestors who had NO bad luck, accidents or illness, to be rich so much later. We aren't good at slick advertising, either.
An Indian and Jew talking about Scotch Irish
Trump has picked 11 billionaires into his cabinet so far, who no doubt became rich working for the cause of the working class, and will continue supporting them selflessly. 😂
Born Fighting taught Saagar and Lex about the Scots-Irish "original fight against oppressors in ... Ireland." How's that?
You gotta read the book to find out ;)
Saagar would rather thank white people for allowing him to be even though they largely didn’t want him here and he would’ve been banned by the strict racial quotas of time vs. thanking the contributions of the civil rights movement which actually made the country accessible to him. Interesting and noted.
You don’t think white people were involved in civil rights? 😄
@ brilliant way to miss the point. When have you ever seen Saagar celebrate the civil rights movement btw?
@@holdenmuganda97
Celebrate? Party balloons and cake? Never.
I’ve only seen him say negative things though about DEI, affirmative action. or woke nonsense.
He seems to praise meritocracy, and equal opportunity.
Garbage take. I'm Irish/Italian American & love sagar being here
@ equal opportunity or EEOC is just the old term for DEI. The the idea that meritocracy dominates this country more than money, connections, and nepotism is pretty funny since the term “meritocracy” was a term used ironically by the person who created it. It’s just something that the rich use now to say they deserve their place on top rather than the old “birthright nobility”. Now they just convince you that they earned their fortunes with “small loans of a million dollars”.
Not to say there’s never been a truly self-made billionaire but most of them are born into to money and have plenty of access to connections and capital and get a nice cushion when they fail.
You mention Scotland and Ireland being oppressed, you still aren’t aware that those occupying Ireland were Scot’s. They weren’t English. The orange order and UVF had Scottish and Ulster scot founders. Scottish Protestants are still the most motivated unionists in Britain and Ireland. This unionist identity that the Scot’s were the most motivated in was central to Britain’s rule in Ireland. So stop with the Scot’s being oppressed crap. They were the ones running things in Ireland, not the English.
Scotts-Irish steal people's land like Luigi has stolen their hearts
Awwww, Stop pissin down our necks telling us its Raining.