Overdrive: Before Distortion Or After Distortion?
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- Where should you run your overdrive pedal in your signal chain? This video has the answer!
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My simple pedalboard.
Compressor -> distortion -> overdrive
Tube screamer, Rat, cheap eq, phaser, delay. I used to have the "hero pedal board", I got tired of tap dancing. 😂
I've done it both ways. Overdrive>distorison, I'm distorting an already overdriven signal. I find that the sound is a bit thin. Using distorion>overdrive, I feel I get a truer distotion that I "boost" with the overdrive. I run my fuzz before overdrive and after distortion. That said, I don't genearlly distort the tone before going into fuzz, but I may use the overdrive to boost that signal. At any rate, this what works for me, at this point in time.
Ok. Thanks Robert. I never even knew the difference in the 2. I liked the overdrive after the distiorn.
If you want significant volume boost, use the OD after the D.
This is the best video on how to use the’s pedals together. Very clear and direct.
I swear, every time I go to get a clear answer to something you pop up lol. Thx again my man!
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Most common was od>dist but this dist to od is a surprise. I must try this one. Thanks for the vid!
Been playing metal and thrash since '78 and have always had the od after distortion on my boards to boost distortion and to accent solo's. Actually in all my years of playing and bei g in bands never saw anyone put the od first... But music and tone is personal so experiment and find what's best for your style....
If your OD is after the distortion aren't you distorting your boost when accenting solos? If you were actually wanting to boost your distortion you'd need to do that prior to it being in the chain?
Dude.. I've been looking for a SD-1 and DS-1 stack demo here on TH-cam and i found yours. Thanks a lot!
My pleasure, glad you found me!
Same thing here!
I always have higher gain pedals going into lower gains.So I can press lower gains to have my various rhythms then kick in the distortion.BOSS pedals are superb.Good to see a nicely presented 'basic' but clear and concise video to remind us what everything is all about.Well Done
Thanks man!
Overdrive->distortion allows the distortion pedal to act as a compressor of sorts after the boost., In many ways it is defeating what a boost is meant to do. You get very little distiortion from the amp but more distiortion form the distortion pedal.
Distortion->Overdrive takes the compressed signal from the distortion pedal and adds volume back in, a LOT! That overdrives the front end of the amp too. The result is almost no compression effect, and distiortion from both the distortion pedal and the overdriven input of the amp.
So if I use a compressor I should probably put the distortion before my overdrive. I noticed that with my od before my distortion and the compressor on it just got way to quiet and muddy.
That doesn’t make any sense at all. You can’t decompress a wave form which has already been compressed.
The OD at the end basically acts as an outside tone knob, in the most basic sense. It’s altering the sound of the distortion at the end of the line. It doesn’t have magical properties.
I’ve started running boost->compressor->distortion->OD lately and like it a lot. I keep the gain pretty much off the OD entirely.
Doesnt compression come before boost in chain
I never thought of using an over drive and distortion pedal at the same time.Always use them seperate.
To my ear I liked the distortion after the od. I tried a compressor into a BD-2 into a boss DS-1 then into a boss Od 3..and I loved it. I just use the bd2 if I want more clean then add ds1 for some solos and the Od3 to boost it. It works for me! Thanks for the video!
Yep, I used to run overdrive into distortion but have recently swapped. The distortion into overdrive really thickens the sound up to me and is a much more full-bodied boost when the overdrive is already on then I switch on the distortion for solo duties etc.
Overdrive before distortion. Thanks for the video demo Robert!! Looking forward to the next one.
Spoiler alert: EVERYBODY should be looking forward to the next one!!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
@@RobertWJackson Always look forward to your thoughts on guitar playing. Thanks again!!
I use Keeley moded DS-1 into DigiTech Bad Monkey (Tube Screamer) with amazing result. The fact is that the pedal that comes later in the chain impact the shape of your tone more so when I use crunch tone with the bad monkey screamer (which is by the way one one of the cheapest and BEST pedal I ever owned) and then kick the DS-1 you don’t hear significant change in EQ of the sound rather it just get more heavier and more distorted but when you use them the other way around when you kick on the DS1 there is a significant jump on tonal character of the sound which you typically get when changing a patch on multi effect units and distortion is also no as beefy as the other method.
So do i...DS 1 KEELEY MOD is the BEST...
Love the way you explain things...
Thanks man!
Both of these pedals are pretty good. Very versatile and you can get quite a few diff tones. Great stuff as always dude!
Thanks man!
Totally with you buddy, my sd1 and ds1 never leave my board! 👍
Once again the internet proves the most important pedal we own: TUNER.
That said I always put lower gain into higher gain. Good demo of how each way can change the sound, thanks for doing that.
I will say I liked the tone best here with the sd1 last, but that’s only because it actually had some mids. The takeaway here is whatever is last will shape the tone most. If you consider how people like zakk use the sd1 it’s into a dirty Marshall (which is essentially his distortion “pedal”).
Anyway thanks for demoing. Got to get me an SD1 now apparently... never had one either!
It really depends on many things but I find that running a distortion into an overdrive with a bit of gain on it smooths out the distortion characteristic. But maybe you are already doing that by running the distortion into a hot amp. Maybe then you want to use the overdrive before them both as a boost. It's also helpful to know what the eq character of your pedals and amp are. This combo in the video works well because the DS-1 is mid scooped and the SD-1 is mid focused. They complement each other. Of course, as always, there are so many factors!
effect to affect.....NICE!!!! People get that mixed up all the time....lol Great vid, Robert!!!!
I was raised by ab English teacher. LOL
To my ear it sounded better when the overdrive was after the distortion
If Im right whatever comes before just serves as a volume boost which defeats the purpose of the distortion meaning it should come after
Compressor first, thrn my DS-1 and my SD-1. It really boosts the distortion signal and controls the buzzy signal.
I don't know if it's just me, but when the camera is on the pedals, they look a lot more colorful than they usually do. It's not a bad thing, I just noticed that the Normal boss distortion had the color of the boss super distortion.
I upgraded my lighting a couple of months ago. Now I’m using one light for the entire room instead of two or three.
I liked the overdrive after.
Distortion>overdrive>amp = fat low mids and bass warm upper mids and highs natural harmonic grinding distortion notes are more articulate and decipherable note separation is key to being heard in a band.
My board goes as is.... Ibanez Tube Screamer, Boss Power Stack, Wampler Velvet Fuzz, Boss Blues Driver & so on...! I like alot of noise... Great video Robert, all the best. ☝😬👍
I need to pick up a Blues Driver one of these days. That’s a great pedal!
Boss Blues Driver is a versatile pedal, it surprised me with its range.. l wonder if it is Bosses most popular pedal...?
Boss’ most popular pedal ever is actually the TU-2/TU-3. Their second most popular pedal? The Metal Zone!!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼 The DS-1, SD-1, and the OS-1/OS-2/OS-3 I believe are next in line. The Blues Driver is probably up there, though.
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My first pedal was a ds-1, second was an sd-1. That was the shit back then. That and the DOD 250, I believe it was. I didn't have a tube screamer until about ten years ago.
I have the behringer um300 and a ds1 and I tried ordering them both ways and I honestly like the um300 before the ds1. If you put the um300 after the ds1 it gets muddy. I love the ds1 and with the um300 before it, it adds to the ds1 tone. I would say the answer to this question is whatever works for the sound your going for.
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I think that Dist into OD is just similar to Dist to amp dirt channel. I've been stacking Boss DS1 to Vox Ice 9 with the more button as the boost.
I prefer DS 1 before SD1 to boost lead parts or solos. SD1 will boost mids that functions like a TS9 so I guess it's better to function that way if you're into lead stuff so you wont get burried in the mix while playing live. For me if you prefer placing an OD befere a distortion you should try BOSS OD-3 or NOBELS ODR-1 for natural sounding overdrive... OD3/ODR1> DS1> SD1 or DS1>OD3/ODR1> SD1
Overdrive first, your distorting the overdrive...distortion first, your overdriving the disrotion. Both work and tons of options...I have lately been running a metal zone into a SD-1....tons of tone options with the MT-2 eq...for those who never quite got the metal zone eq. Down...there is a guide if you look up the metal zone tone settings.a print out. Adjust from there from overdrive, rock to metal. Both work as many take an Ds1 and overdrive that...like that guy Steve Vai..
I completely agree....im running exactly the same set up.... when you break into a solo and hit the overdrive it sounds amazing!! 🎸💥🔥👍
LOVE distortion over OD and Fuzz. I start with distortion then OD if need a boost
thank you for the guide I was confuse with my Pedal board I thought there's an issue if the OD is placed after the distortion.. but I tried the sound is also Good!
Overdrive before distortion. You want to boost your distortion with an overdrive
That’s the way I like to run it, as well.
Thnx saved me 7mins
Same here. I run a Crowther Audio Hotcake as a cleanish boost into a JHS AT (Angry Charlie). I also run a G2D Morpheus for a brutal distortion on the side. After all that, I use an MXR 10 band EQ to shape tone as needed; and, I can add a boost with the EQ.
overdrive before another overdrive, would that work for something?
Of course it would. Stacking overdrives is actually pretty common. Blues players especially seem to love stacking two Tube Screamers.
WOW distortion before overdrive sounds great... never did that before. But in live scenarios, you could just hsve rhe distortion dirtying up your tone consistently, then when its solo time, just step on the overdrive to boost
Definitely after
OD>Distortion. Retains clarity and adds right amount of hair more or less whereas Distortion is it!, harder to adjust and retain clarity. Unless it’s an old MIJ boss DS-1 or similar variant (MXR Distortion) that can be adjusted with less gain and still retain the overall amp tone and character. There. That’s the post.
Thank yo so much Robert, again I learned a lot 👍, btw: I love BOSS-Pedals too 😊
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I use my tube screamer before my bbe distortion. Give me a great sound.
I’ve never even owned a distortion pedal before. I hit the front end of the amp hard with a 808 and boost, dial in the distortion on the preamp and have an EQ in the loop. I can get such a variety of tones this way. The possibilities are almost endless. I guess if I ever get a clean Fender amp, I might go down the distortion pedal rabbit hole.
Screw the Fender amp, they’re not the only amp in town! Just use a distortion pedal into a clean channel that you enjoy! Or I to the Return port of the effects loop.
Well thanks to my hot water heater exploding a month ago I won’t be getting away with any major gear purchases with my tax return. Might try and score an MXR Phase 95 and rack my brain and fingers on some EVH 🤷🏻♂️🤯
Ah, the joys of homeownership! The Phase 95 is an awesome pedal though, I love mine. ;)
The only overdrive I own is a Tokyo drive and I only use it on the lead channel on my Hughes and kentner deluxe 20. All my distortion pedals run on the clean channel.
You know this was really interesting. I didn't expect the sound from distortion into overdrive. I have never done it that way always overdrive into distortion. But honestly since getting the Marshall DSL 40 CR I quit using pedals for overdrive and distortion as it has both. However that was honestly a different tone I wasn't expecting and not a particularly bad tone. Now I need to plug some overdrive pedals into the effects loop my Marshall and see what I get.
It's not the best idea to put dirt pedals into the fx loop since it will be much more noisey than into the front of the amp.
overdrive before for more gain ???
'She' is great song to test pedals with
Both are best set up either before of after. But my set up is od after ds
Omg, first video i find about this topic, and you show my exact setup lol thx man
My pleasure!
I think it sounded bashed before you turned either pedal on
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Nice vid Robert try putting the SD1 level 10 drive 1.If your using a clean amp like the fender tonemaster twin reverb...which is the best amp around in my opinion..you put the SD1 LEVEL10 DRIVE 1 before the DS1 in the chain.
Sickest Washburn I've seen in my life. I didn't even listen to samples, just watched the guitar...
Honestly, it’s been so long since I shot this video that I’d totally forgotten which guitar I’d used. LOL
3:02 ... That is a much better sound, sir. Fatter, but it still maintains the articulation.
It sounded better if od.before D's. That's just my distorted ear though! I can't wait to experiment with the pedals one day. You mentioned on your 2nd live stream about begining players. I figure if I had questions about anything I would be comfortable asking anyone who is on here. From what I have seen the caliber of people who subscribed to you, I don't think anyone would make fun of me. I try to find out what I need to via research but I would feel comfortable asking you men and ladies dumb questions.😀
SD1 after DS1 is the BEST combination, DS1 is so ugly used as main drive
Im trying metl zone with tubescrimer. thats absurd??
Not one bit
Great video, as always. I actually like running a tube screamer style pedal with the volume up and gain down into another one just like it with the gain up. Crunchy, creamy sustain with very little noise. Now.... if you'd do one on running a good underdrive pedal in front of a really dirty amp to get a pristine, clean tone. ;)
If that exists, I’ll make it happen! LOL
@@RobertWJackson Well, for the past decade, I'll occasionally call up Guitar Center and ask for an underdrive, decompressor, indirect box or a pre-delay that delays the note before you hit it instead of after, like all other delays. I always get a good laugh when they say they don't have them yet but check back in a few months. ;)
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very usefull!! thanks
You’re welcome!
I don't know I missed this. I never tried those two pedals together. Now I want to. I've owned both, but individually, they were 'Almost' there' for my liking. Now I want to try this. Now you got me thinking, I wonder how a Blues Driver would do in place of one or the other. Excellent and educational video here. BTW, can you hook me up with whatever the person who created the first 25 seconds of this video was smoking?😁
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I prefer OD before DS to really give a punch to ths DS. I use a lowered amount of DS and strong OD then into my BOSSME80 using Tera Echo and the Wah on but holding steady gives me a strong Pink Floyd sound with a Gibson Les Paul and a good Eric Clapton sound with one of my Strats. Got my new cable from Hallel and it is cool.
Keep on pickin
Awesome man! And thanks for supporting Hallel Cables!
Im going to play a Pink Floyd tribute on my city and I have the Boss DS1 and the Boss OS2 (used as an overdrive), do you think it would better to place the OS2 before de distortion? I don´t have a booster for the solos
If you’re using the OS-2 as an overdrive, yes.
@@RobertWJackson thank you!
I just tried my sd1 after my md2. It sounds horrible.
My board, the gains are stacked from light to heavy. Boost/OD, Fuzz, Distortion. It's just my preference. And that's the beauty, it's all to taste, there no real right or wrong answer!
Agreed! And that’s how I set my board up, as well.
@Stephen Docherty My pedal order is.. PolyTune 3, MXR CustomComp, Phase 95, Oxblood (set more like boost and tone shaper), Keeley Darkside (set as drive into modulation), LPD Eighty 7, and Joyo Metal Extreme. That goes into the front. In the loop, it's Oceans 11, Source Audio Programmable EQ, Flashback Mini, Ditto mini. It took me a while and a lot of back and forth with the order to get everything where I wanted/liked it best.
@Stephen Docherty Thanks man. It pretty much covers the bases for anything from 50's country to Slayer and most points in between. I usually live in 70's rock and 80's hair metal.
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Thanks for the examples, Robert! I recently switched from a modeling amp, with all digital effects, to a powerful tube amp. It's a blast building the best pedalboard/sequence I can! I've worked with pedals in the past, but with new technology, it's extremely exciting finding the best pedals, in the best places of your board!.. This video was exactly what I was searching for! Im now subscribed, and appreciate your insight!
Awesome man, welcome to the family! Glad you got something out of the video. 😉
for me overdrive before distortion!
Oh shit I haven’t seen a PS Washburn since I saw kiss 3 times before the Psycho Circus album, and then again when they did the Psycho Circus tour.
Now you have! PS2000 baby!
Super interessante. Grazie
De nada!
I've always used my Ice 9 into my Rat 2 but I'm not so sure. Think I'll be dealing round tonight. How would you stack these with the amp dirt channel?
Pardon me saying... But if I were in your place and wanting to use the dirty channel of the amp, then I would only use the OD pedal. The Dist pedal can have its off day. Unless u intend to do a lot of songs like KISS Revenge. 😁😅
Nice song to cover..always liked "she"
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Thanks James! And thanks for telling people about my channel!
Just spreading the word down here in Dallas! It's my pleasure. See you soon 😀. That's how my face really looks since I got kicked out of the Blue Man group.
I love how much this guy cares about being in tune.
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Hey bud good morning,you ever try a digitech metal master by any chance??
It’s been a long time. Basically Digitech’s answer to the Metal Zone, if memory serves.
Great guitar
Thanks!
do you ever say where your guitar volume is set?
Always all the way up unless specified otherwise. ;)
I run for 30 years player better with distortion before; and overdrive after( for me ds1+ts9 wonderfull)
Long time sub, but just did a search on stacking. I have both of these as well as an OD-3. Have you tried stacking all three of these, or just the OD-3 with the DS-1?
Just curious.
Oh man, I don’t remember. I made this video almost four years ago now.
d'ya know? I start my setting this way and you gimme your opinion, please. First, guitar, wah wah, the riot Suhr distortion, the overdrive of marshall jackmmer them modulations then eq and finally delay. What do you think? What I've found is that with this setting, my distorsion sounds resemble a high gain one and that left me really happy. What d'ya think?
If you’re happy with the way that it sounds, that really all that matters. I personally would move the overdrive before the distortion and move the EQ before all of the modulation pedals, but that’s just how I like to set mine up.
Where do you think each should go in an effects loop? Should they at all? Should just one or the other or both? I always put my tubescreamer in the fx loop because it sounds way better but im wondering how to use it with a distortion
Unless you’re intentionally trying to bypass the amp’s preamp section and you’re running them into the effects loop return, I wouldn’t put either one in the effects loop. Run them through the front. They’re designed to work with the front end of your amp, overdrives especially.
@@RobertWJackson well with the tubescreamer on top of my amps gain it sounds way better in the fx loop but with it on top of the pedals gain ill probably just use it like you said
One problem of running a high gain distortion or fuzz after overdrive is that it will greatly multiply the excess noise (hum, hiss etc) from the overdrive (and other pedals) placed before it. This may or may not be an issue - but worth bearing in mind.
www.premierguitar.com/articles/Come_on_Feel_the_Noise
Kiss first album - 1974
overdrive after
Awesome video man that Washburn is to die for!
Thanks man! Yeah, I like that guitar a lot. ;)
that guitar sounds terrible who has an ear on this channel apparently no one Just kidding it needs the intonation set and and it'll be fine
What happens if you plug in an overdrive before or after a metal zone in the effects loop?
Never tried it. An overdrive before a Metal Zone into the effects loop I imagine would tighten it up a bit, though.
So where do i put the HM-2?
Sorry, i had to :-P
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What guitar is that Washburn?! It's beautiful!! I want one!!
Which one? The pink one?
@@RobertWJackson no the black one you're playing lol
Julian Vargas paul stanley model.
Michael Peretto is correct. It’s a USA PS-2000 Paul Stanley Signature.
@@RobertWJackson Oh a USA model, thats a really nice guitar! Not a big Kiss fan but Paul seems like a standup guy.
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TH-cam does have a “tip jar” of sorts, where Subscribers pay a few dollars a month to become a “member” of a creators channel and support them that way. However, that feature I do not believe is available to creators until they reach 100,000 Subscribers, which I obviously have a LOOOOOOONG way to go before I get that big. In the meantime, it’s merch sales through Teespring, revenue from people sitting through the ads, and the “tip jar” on the live streams. I’ve had a few people ask me about this now, so it’s probably time for me to get my Patreon account back up and running.
But you’re welcome to email me directly if you need private info from me.
@@RobertWJackson Ok. I will email you tomorrow. Actually later today now. My girlfriend is on my laptop but I will get in touch later. If all else fails I can donate on the next live stream you do on or after March 1st. If you have a way to charge my debit card besides the livestream., we can talk about it when we hook up through email. It would be cool if you could set up an account where people could donate. I wouldn't mind donating on a monthly basis. I also believe that at 10,000 + people subscribed your site will grow faster than you think. I'm sure your loyal viewers are plugging you at other sites. I know I am. Talk to you later today!
@@RobertWJackson hey Robert. I tried to email you with my phone but apparently I'm to stupid to operate it. That's nothing new! Seriously I'm much better with my laptop. If I can ever get on it! My friend who is a female works tommorow so I will have unfettered access to it. We need to figure out how to donate to the site. I really would like to donate on a monthly basis. I would bet that as the word gets out about a support the dungeon site you will get lots of help. Maybe you could give away an autographed tee shirt every once in awhile for the largest donation of the month. No matter what though you will be around a long time and as subscribers grow, they will see what the rest of us already know. That you work hard to put together a site that is well researched, relevant, and done in a way that even us novices can understand. And as I have said before, your integrity is unparalleled. We need another top ten comedy list. I still lmao watching the reverse flying v comment you made!! Talk to you soon. Keep us rocking!
Thanks buddy. I’ll work on getting something up and running soon!
so, which one is better? :v
Personal preference. Let your ears be the judge!
Od-ds-od
Please tune the guitar properly before demoing...basic thing first..
How have you only got that many subs? You had me crying on the floor with laughter with worst ever gear vid
TH-cam’s a funny thing, and it’s algorithm is not always kind to creators. See the video that I uploaded this morning to see what I mean. 🤷🏻♂️
I subscribed and for some reason I had to sub again ... it was the vid with the bugger amp lol 🤣 that did it for me ... the latest vid I saw was the boss chourus that kicked ass man 🤘
@@RobertWJackson I do ebay quite alot and your title is everything try and hook a few more people by generalizing your title eg your title is very to the point like people looking for that specific item would find it nicely when I do ebay I add as much as I can without going off point too much such as add words like guitar ,pedal, effects , stompbox just to get people to watch who weren't looking for just that pedal... you got much more subs than me and I'm not trying to make out that I know more because I dont I just enjoy your vids and I'm surprised you dont have more ...👍
Good idea. I just adjusted the title a bit. Thanks for the suggestion!
Can of bees
One before and one after.
Did you not bother to set the intonation on that guitar it sounds like crap give me 5 minutes and I can fix that
Guitar->ds-1->sd-1 sounds way better. But why? I don’t understand😂
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Tune that fucking guitar. Christ.
Rule number 1 Experiment your ears are your best rule
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It all sounds like a muddy mess! No dynamics at at. Too much drive! Gain is not volume Kyle. Tuners are a good thing too. 😢
I sometimes try to fart in my own mouth.