Great comparison, thank you very much. Looks like a good addition to capture one, hopefully they will continue to refine it and it will get even better.
Thanks so much for the comment and glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah, C1 is definitely on the right path, and I’m quite sure they will improve both features with the next updates. Ciao :)
If possible, a sample with sea as horizon would be nice test to see how good is stitching then. But I guess, I'll continue to process in CO, export and stitch in Affinity. Appreciate the video!
Thanks so much for the comment, glad you enjoyed it. Actually, to make the video a bit shorter, I cut off a pano of a huge ocean view, and about the horizon the stitching was perfect. No issues. Ciao :)
thanks Andrea -at long last we have image stitching / merging :-) I really like C1 and processed a GFX100 file in it and LR just yesterday. I still find LR easier to use, but the images in C1 just have a better look in my opinion
Thanks so much for the comment and sharing your thoughts! Yeah, even with a few aspects that need to be improved, C1 is an amazing piece of software. Ciao :)
Hi Lars, thanks for stopping by. In the video I discussed right the issue on waves blending. At the moment, C1 struggles a bit with moving objects. Ciao
Thanks for the comparison, I liked C1 but lost me with lack of features like HDR merge and Panorama stitching when LR already had it. I will stick with LR for now
Hi Corey, thanks so much. I didn't try it with the M1. I ordered a brand new one M1 Pro, and I should have it before Christmas :) Anyway, let me know what you think. Ciao
I've been playing with the HDR merge this morning and…it's really, really buggy I find. I imported 3 images shot at -1, 0 and +1 ev If I choose all 3, but say the +1 is the "primary" image in the set (I.e. the one with the more highlighted box around it), the resultant DNG file is even more over-exposed than the original +1 image. It's a little better but not much if I check the auto adjust option or use the middle or darker image as the primary one. But it still seems to produce a merged file that is way over-exposed. Am I doing something wrong here?
Yep, I got a similar result on my computer. The generated preview is a bit inconsistent throughout different sequences. The merged HDR file sometimes reacts to the tone adjustments in an odd way. Anyway, as I said in the video, this function needs to be slightly improved to get reliable and consistent results. Ciao :)
Hi nnix, glad you enjoyed the video, thanks! About the film simulations on the merged DNG file, I think it's something that is going to be solved with one of the next updates. It's not a big deal as the first release, but I'm pretty sure CO will fix it. Ciao :)
Thank you Andrea for a great comparison! I’m a long-time C1 user and I have noticed this type of discoloration when I import DNG files into C1 long before this new version came out. Also, the huge difference in file sizes for DNG is puzzling too, isn’t it? To be honest, when I generate DNG exports from both DXO PhotoLab and Topaz Sharpen Ai I get about the same huge file size too. So to me it seems that Adobe got some “secret” ways of handling the DNG format that no other developer got access to? What do you think? Thanks for a great video! ☃️❄️🎅🏻
Hi, thanks so much for the comment and I'm really glad you enjoyed the video! It's a good point, the proprietary DNG format might have a "secret ingredient" that could limit the file compression. Who knows :) Anyway, I'm pretty sure they're working hard on optimizing all these stuff. This is the first entry for C1 into the panorama & hdr world, so I think they are trying to figure out the right path to build something great as they've already done with many other features in the past. Ciao e buone feste anche te :) Ciao
@@AndreaLivieriPhoto Yes, I remember the criticism they received for their first version of Dehaze tool. A few versions later and the Dehaze tool have become a very useful and reliable tool! So far I have had no issues with the new panorama function (except for the DNG issue) but my first tries with the HDR merge have produced a mixed bag of results, unfortunately. It regularly produces some jagged artifacts around highlights and splotches of high noise levels in portions of the image. I’m sure they will iron that out eventually too?
That's true. I wasn't impressed with the dehaze results on their first release, but I rapidly started appreciate it for it's unique features. You know, some stuff need time to perfect. I’m pretty confident everything is going to be fine soon.
Hi Andrea, I hope you will share your findings with Capture One developers. These are all great points they should think about when releasing the next iterations. BTW, are you on Intel or M1 Mac?
Hi Richard, thanks for the comment, and glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah, I've been testing the software quite intensively during the last couple of weeks. Definitely, I'll share some of my findings with the developer's team. I use an Intel iMac, you can see the specifications right below the results table. The MacBook M1 Pro is on its way :) Ciao
Nice job. I have a question about HDR (since I'm new to it). I notice that a lot of people use a similar technique for bracketing. 3 images (-2, 0, +2). I dont keep the images after merging in LR and creating the DNG. Wouldn't it be better to bracket 9 images (I do this at 2/3 intervals)? I was wondering if there was any penalty to bracketing TOO many images.
Hi, thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed the video. The number of bracketed shots is strictly related to the dynamic range of the scene. If shooting 3 exposure -2, 0, +2 stops covers the DR of the scene, there is no point to capture six more exposure you’ll throw away straight after the import stage. Moreover, merging too many “not needed” exposures, can compromise the “quality” of the resulting DNG image. Ciao :)
@@AndreaLivieriPhoto I just noticed the data at 6:07 for example. You can see with your bare eye that the file size in C1 is more than double of that in Lightroom. So it must be over 100% bigger. I noticed that a couple of times throughout the video. Otherwise I liked your video a lot, in particular the image quality comparison of both 👍🏼 that‘s what matters the most to me personally.
@@miljo2146 Thanks for pointing it out. Actually, the value is related to the percentage difference rather than the percentage increase. I'll be more specific next time. Anyway, glad you enjoyed the video :) Ciao e alla prossima!
@@AndreaLivieriPhoto ah ok, but if you say C1 is bigger by x% you are referring to the change in %. But I guess I should concentrate more on the photography 😀 sono un sapientone 🤪
I found both updates unremarkable. The panorama doesn't have any ghosting functionality and the HDR merge has a habit of over exposing. It felt like a very rushed and unfinished update.
What a great comparison! Thank you, Andrea :)
Hi Lemon, thank you very much for the comment. Happy you enjoyed it :) Ciao
Great comparison, thank you very much. Looks like a good addition to capture one, hopefully they will continue to refine it and it will get even better.
Thanks so much for the comment and glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah, C1 is definitely on the right path, and I’m quite sure they will improve both features with the next updates. Ciao :)
great comparision and examples, thank you
Hey Tomas, glad you enjoyed it :) Thanks so much!!! Ciao
Thank you. This was very helpful.
Hi, thank you very much! :) ciao
Great video my dude! Keep crushing it 💯🔥
Thanks so much, Kamil! Very appreciated :) Ciao
@@AndreaLivieriPhoto 😊😊
If possible, a sample with sea as horizon would be nice test to see how good is stitching then. But I guess, I'll continue to process in CO, export and stitch in Affinity. Appreciate the video!
Thanks so much for the comment, glad you enjoyed it. Actually, to make the video a bit shorter, I cut off a pano of
a huge ocean view, and about the horizon the stitching was perfect. No issues. Ciao :)
thanks Andrea -at long last we have image stitching / merging :-)
I really like C1 and processed a GFX100 file in it and LR just yesterday. I still find LR easier to use, but the images in C1 just have a better look in my opinion
Thanks so much for the comment and sharing your thoughts! Yeah, even with a few aspects that need to be improved, C1 is an amazing piece of software. Ciao :)
I agree, I think C1 renders Fuji GF100 raw files cleaner and with nicer sharpening than Lightroom.
Thanks Rupert for sharing your thoughts. Ciao :)
Great video man!
Thanks so much, Alberto! :) Ciao
Time is a factor but I’m more concerned with the quality. How do they handle moving subject like branches in the wind or waves?
Hi Lars, thanks for stopping by. In the video I discussed right the issue on waves blending. At the moment, C1 struggles a bit with moving objects. Ciao
Thanks for the comparison, I liked C1 but lost me with lack of features like HDR merge and Panorama stitching when LR already had it. I will stick with LR for now
Hi, thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, and glad you enjoyed the video. Ciao :)
Great video. I’m going to download this tonight and try it out on my m1 MacBook Pro. Hopefully the m1 will run even faster.
Hi Corey, thanks so much. I didn't try it with the M1. I ordered a brand new one M1 Pro, and I should have it before Christmas :) Anyway, let me know what you think. Ciao
I've been playing with the HDR merge this morning and…it's really, really buggy I find.
I imported 3 images shot at -1, 0 and +1 ev
If I choose all 3, but say the +1 is the "primary" image in the set (I.e. the one with the more highlighted box around it), the resultant DNG file is even more over-exposed than the original +1 image. It's a little better but not much if I check the auto adjust option or use the middle or darker image as the primary one. But it still seems to produce a merged file that is way over-exposed.
Am I doing something wrong here?
Yep, I got a similar result on my computer. The generated preview is a bit inconsistent throughout different sequences. The merged HDR file sometimes reacts to the tone adjustments in an odd way. Anyway, as I said in the video, this function needs to be slightly improved to get reliable and consistent results. Ciao :)
When the a7iv raw file will work in lightroom ?
Well, I've no idea. I think you should ask Adobe ;) Ciao
Great video, thanks. Although I don't suspect the film simulations will ever be applicable after the fact to a DNG. It'll have to be done beforehand.
Hi nnix, glad you enjoyed the video, thanks! About the film simulations on the merged DNG file, I think it's something that is going to be solved with one of the next updates. It's not a big deal as the first release, but I'm pretty sure CO will fix it. Ciao :)
Thank you Andrea for a great comparison! I’m a long-time C1 user and I have noticed this type of discoloration when I import DNG files into C1 long before this new version came out. Also, the huge difference in file sizes for DNG is puzzling too, isn’t it? To be honest, when I generate DNG exports from both DXO PhotoLab and Topaz Sharpen Ai I get about the same huge file size too. So to me it seems that Adobe got some “secret” ways of handling the DNG format that no other developer got access to? What do you think?
Thanks for a great video! ☃️❄️🎅🏻
Hi, thanks so much for the comment and I'm really glad you enjoyed the video! It's a good point, the proprietary DNG format might have a "secret ingredient" that could limit the file compression. Who knows :) Anyway, I'm pretty sure they're working hard on optimizing all these stuff. This is the first entry for C1 into the panorama & hdr world, so I think they are trying to figure out the right path to build something great as they've already done with many other features in the past. Ciao e buone feste anche te :) Ciao
@@AndreaLivieriPhoto Yes, I remember the criticism they received for their first version of Dehaze tool. A few versions later and the Dehaze tool have become a very useful and reliable tool! So far I have had no issues with the new panorama function (except for the DNG issue) but my first tries with the HDR merge have produced a mixed bag of results, unfortunately. It regularly produces some jagged artifacts around highlights and splotches of high noise levels in portions of the image. I’m sure they will iron that out eventually too?
That's true. I wasn't impressed with the dehaze results on their first release, but I rapidly started appreciate it for it's unique features. You know, some stuff need time to perfect. I’m pretty confident everything is going to be fine soon.
@@AndreaLivieriPhoto 👍👌🤞🙏
Super Andrea :-)
Hi Frederik, glad you enjoyed it. Thank you very much! Ciao :)
Hi Andrea, I hope you will share your findings with Capture One developers. These are all great points they should think about when releasing the next iterations. BTW, are you on Intel or M1 Mac?
Hi Richard, thanks for the comment, and glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah, I've been testing the software quite intensively during the last couple of weeks. Definitely, I'll share some of my findings with the developer's team. I use an Intel iMac, you can see the specifications right below the results table. The MacBook M1 Pro is on its way :) Ciao
I'm sure the Capture One development team will see this very useful video without Andrea needing to refer it to them.
Hi Ross, thanks so much! :) Ciao
Nice job. I have a question about HDR (since I'm new to it). I notice that a lot of people use a similar technique for bracketing. 3 images (-2, 0, +2). I dont keep the images after merging in LR and creating the DNG. Wouldn't it be better to bracket 9 images (I do this at 2/3 intervals)? I was wondering if there was any penalty to bracketing TOO many images.
Hi, thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed the video. The number of bracketed shots is strictly related to the dynamic range of the scene. If shooting 3 exposure -2, 0, +2 stops covers the DR of the scene, there is no point to capture six more exposure you’ll throw away straight after the import stage. Moreover, merging too many “not needed” exposures, can compromise the “quality” of the resulting DNG image. Ciao :)
The difference is that LR's Panorama and HDR merge works. C1 have once again released buggy crap at full price
waiting for focus stacking
Who knows :)
Something‘s messed up with your difference calculations, otherwise good comparison 👍🏼
Thanks for the comment! How would you improve some specific sections of the video? Ciao :)
@@AndreaLivieriPhoto I just noticed the data at 6:07 for example. You can see with your bare eye that the file size in C1 is more than double of that in Lightroom. So it must be over 100% bigger. I noticed that a couple of times throughout the video. Otherwise I liked your video a lot, in particular the image quality comparison of both 👍🏼 that‘s what matters the most to me personally.
@@miljo2146 Thanks for pointing it out. Actually, the value is related to the percentage difference rather than the percentage increase. I'll be more specific next time. Anyway, glad you enjoyed the video :) Ciao e alla prossima!
@@AndreaLivieriPhoto ah ok, but if you say C1 is bigger by x% you are referring to the change in %. But I guess I should concentrate more on the photography 😀 sono un sapientone 🤪
Ahahah, you’re totally right, that’s my bad 😄 Ciao 👋🏻
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Hi nh, thanks so much! :) Ciao
The two features I feel are better implemented now in c1 than lightroom. I was really impressed with the natural interpretation of hdr
Hi, thanks for sharing your thoughts. C1 is doing a great job. The brand new addition need some refinement but there is a great potential. Ciao :)
I found both updates unremarkable. The panorama doesn't have any ghosting functionality and the HDR merge has a habit of over exposing. It felt like a very rushed and unfinished update.
There is still some work to be done, for sure. Ciao :)
For the time being .. a waste of money. This version is definitely still in Beta, bugs, artefacts, ghosting..