Sorry, but Andy is wrong at 2:15 where he says to use the longest club. The definition of Nearest Point of Complete Relief is determined by using the club they would normally use at that location. "Estimating this reference point requires the player to identify the choice of club, stance, swing and line of play they would have used for that stroke."
For Relief to the LEFT of the ACC (Right Hand Player) the Point of Complete Relief will always be about 6 inches away no matter which Club is Selected. Club Choice only comes into the equation when measuring on the Right side of the ACC because your Heels will be just off the ACC. This is why the Ball must be well to the Right of Center to be able to get Right Side Relief.
@htchen77 you are only granted Relief from the Abnormal Course Condition. The measured Relief Area won't necessarily be a "Nice Place" to have to play from. This is why you determine where you would end up - BEFORE you pick up your Ball. You need to go "Unplayable Ball Penalty Relief to get away from those Rocks after your Free Relief put you near them.
Hi Andy, I have a question based on your scenario in which you took relief from the sand after the cart path relief. What if, after you found your NPR from the cart path and then the sand, you then took your club one length relief area from NPR, AND THEN found another obstruction such as a sprinkler head, than didn't interfere from your NPR BEFORE taking your one club length relief area. The question is would you then get ever further relief from that sprinkler head? I don't think that you would because you have found your NPR from the original obstruction(s). If they did get further relief, the player would be hopping across the course from one obstruction to another. It's not real clear in the rules or definitions, but a cause of heated debates.
Nice job. Does it matter if your nearest point of relief is closer to the hole or not? For instance, what about a ball on the cart to the side of the green. One side would be closer.
One of the provisions of the Nearest Point of Complete Relief is it be NO Closer to the Hole. So if you had a Cart Path near a Green, most likely you would have to Drop on the Far side of the Path and then Chip/Pitch over the Path. There could be a geometric Point of Complete Relief between the Path and the Hole. The Deciding Factor would be Point of Complete Relief CANNOT be closer to the Hole than where the Ball sits on or near the ACC.
Great examples! Question - in your 3rd example, you dropped on the sand, then remeasured/dropped. Just curious why you just wouldn't drop outside the sand as per your measure, the grass was still within the driver club length?
you can also use it to your advantage. If the nearest point of relief is behind an obstacle and there is a free drop location within that one club length that isn't the same thing your already taking relief from it can hep you get out from behind the obstacle
I have watched other TH-cam videos that demonstrate when finding your nearest point of complete relief from a cart path complete relief must be determined with the club you intend to use for the next shot once the ball has been dropped. After the nearest point of relief is found and marked a drop area is then measured and marked by using your longest club that is not a putter. You found your nearest point of relief with your driver not the club you intend to use for your next shot. Is using your driver correct?
For Left side Relief, the Club used is immaterial because the Reference Point will always be within 6 Inches of the edge of the ACC. Left Side Relief is different because you start with your heels just off the ACC. This is why a Right Handed Player will almost always have to take Relief to the Left Side of the edge of the ACC.
What about when the cart path is going perpendicular to the fairway (crossing it)? Can you still drop on either side, even if one side is clearly much closer to the hole?
Because of "No Closer to the Hole", you will always be off the 'Away Side' of a crossing Cart Path. Your "Nearest Point of Complete Relief" will be at least a foot behind the Cart Path because your Front Foot CAN'T be on the Cart Path.
Great demo, it appears to me that there are a variance of interpretation in these rules,because of different situations.Maybe a cover statement or explanation of this would enhance your demo?
Let's say you hit your drive to the right and end up on a cart path. Your nearest point of relief will be the spot on the golf course nearest to where your ball lies is that is not nearer to the hole and that gives you complete relief from the cart path. To determine that spot, you should use the club that you would have used if the cart path was not there. So if your ball on the cart path is 150 yards from the hole and you would normally hit a 7-iron, that is the club that you should use to determine your nearest point of relief
@@Wolfie565 for a Right Hand Player with a Path on the Right side of the Hole in the vast majority of cases your Nearest Point of Complete Relief will be about 6 inches to the Left of the Path BECAUSE No matter which Club you select that's where the Clubhead would sit on the Ground. On the Right side of the Path your Heels would be just off the Path and then you have the Distance from the Toe Line of your Stance out to where the Club would Ground. POINT of Complete Relief (Left) is only 6 Inches , while (Right) would be more like 2.5 to 3 Feet from the edge of the Path.
Good video! Thanks. Question: What if the ball is on the left side of the cart path and left of the cart path is OB. Would you still be allowed relief on that side or would you go on the right side, or not get relief at all?
Your relief must be on a playable part of the golf course so you would not have to drop it out of bounds you could drop on the other side because that would be the nearest point of relief.
@@AndyWeissingerIf there was a Penalty Area near the ACC would I be required to drop in the General Area that also had my Stance inside a Penalty Area? Or would my NPCR be on the opposite side so my Stance would be in the General Area?
yes. Also move it back towards the path a little would have helped too, but not so far that you are standing on it to play your shot. A shorter iron would have been helpful.
That would depend upon how large the rocky area is. You are allowed to drop anywhere in your Arc, but you have to drop again if the First Drop had you standing on the Path again.
@@1pierrr your Reference Point for determining Nearest Point of Complete Relief is determined by the Club you intend to use to play the upcoming Shot. The SIZE of the Relief Area is determined with Driver usually.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 I assume you are noting my “a shorter iron”…. this was for hitting the golf ball so you stand closer to the ball so your feet aren’t on the path and so you aren’t in the rocks or behind the tree…. not used for measuring the relief area.
With regard to scenario 2, can you drop just off the path? Does your one club length have to further from the path. In a nutshell, must you take complete relief or can you take partial relief.
helpful - in the case where the nearest point is on the roots, can one simply drop it closer to the cart path on that line? Although one's feet may be on the cart path?
If you are going to take relief the relief has to be complete, so if it was on roots you may not want to take relief and just stand on the cart path. You will even see players choose to hit the ball off of a cart path at times.
Great explanations. However, you could have added the scenario where the ball is on fair ground but feet are on the cart path. I know you are allowed relief but not clear for everyone. Thanks
I disagree with Daniel...the path would have to physically interfere with one's stance. In this case standing on the path would in no way interfere with one's stance- so no free relief.
@@timgrover3226 A cart path is considered an immovable obstruction under the USGA's Rule 24-2b. If your ball lies on or near the cart path OR when the obstruction interferes with your stance (not stable with golf shoes when swinging) OR the area of intended swing you may take free relief - you must determine the nearest point of relief no closer to the hole with in one club length and the ball must be dropped
@hdinh4809 not quite. You find the Nearest Point of Complete Relief - to the present location of the Ball - this becomes your Reference Point where you measure the 1 Club Length Relief Area from.
My buddy David, says that a bare spot on the fairway, no grass just dirt, is an abnormal course condition. But outside the fairway must be played as is. True?
What happens if your ball lands passes the green, lands on a cart path, but in-between two out of bound? And the only clean relief in bounds is closer to the hole?
My ball was in a bush a foot from cartpath, an official said first step is to drop on the cart path, then from there drop to the nearest point of relief...I argued that no where in the rules of golf does it have you dropping in a concrete cart path.. what's right?
You take relief from one thing at a time. First the bush - if that nearest point is on the path then that is where you would drop and then you would take relief from the path after you dropped it there.
Great Video. I don't understand Scenario #3 where relief if secondarily taken from the sand. It is not a bunker and is not marked as ground under repair, so I don't get why you are able to take relief from that area. I don't see it as being qualified as an Abnormal Course Condition.
One of the Abnormal Ground Conditions allowed for is Ground Under Repair under which an a hole is made by the maintenance crew for maintaining the course (such as a hole made in removing turf or a tree stump or laying pipelines, but not including aeration holes) would classify until it were brought up to the standard of the course (i.e. sod replaced over the hole). It basically comes down to the common practices at that course. If they typically bring an area like that up to their standard of sod then you would get relief under that definition; however if they typically leave areas like that and consider it repaired then you would be correct in saying that no relief would be given. Sorry for the long response, but I hope that helps clear it up.
Hate to sound picky, but the proper terminology is Abnormal Course Condition (ACC). Not Abnormal Ground Condition. Ground under repair (GUR) is all part of ACC. Ground under repair are typically designated and marked by the committee. If a Player encounter an area he thinks is GUR, and no Rules Referee is around, he should play two balls under Rule 20.1c(3). One playing the ball as it lie, and one taking relief from the area.
How is abnormal defined? Is it defined by the official in tournament play and by the player in casual play? Could it be a dead patch of grass that a “to-the-rules player” can deem as abnormal in that scenario?
The rules clearly define what Abnormal is and goes into detail on the four categories of abnormal in order to rule out a scenario like you describe from someone just declaring something as abnormal.
So you can use any club for nearest relief? As choosing a shorter club in some situations can determine which side of the cart path is the nearest relief. If so does it have to be the club you intend to use for the shot after relief? You used a driver in the first intense, which put you in the rocks.
@@AndyWeissinger Andy, great video. What are your thoughts about the fact that per the definition of Nearest Point of Relief it states that, "Estimating the nearest point of relief requires the player to identify the choice of club, stance, swing, and line of play he or she would have used for the stroke". Does that not require the player to use the club they are most likely going to use for the next stroke and thus prevent the player from using any club that they'd like?
@@AndyWeissinger Jay & Modest are right Andy;-a player could only use driver for establishing the NPCR if that was to be the club he or she would have used to play the shot if the abnormal course condition did not exist. The longest club in the bag is used to measure the one-club length from the reference point. Dave
In scenario 2, is there a rule that prohibits you from dropping your ball closer to the very path within the driver length whilst standing on the cart path?
Does no nearer to the hole factor into the decision? In the first scenario say the green is 10yrds to your left you would be dropping it nearer to the hole. Is that allowed?
Yes - no closer to the hole is always a consideration when taking a drop of any kind. If that were closer to the hole you would not be able to drop in that direction.
@@AndyWeissinger So even if the nearest point of relief is closer to the hole but a drop within one club lengths of that point is not closer then thats ok?
@@pdub7562 If the nearest point is closer than you cannot use it. Think of it as two qualifiers: 1. No closer to the hole 2. Nearest point of relief - i.e. Nearest point of relief that is no closer to the hole
Relief is taken from one thing at at time and you measure from the edge of whatever you are taking relief from if it something marked or obvious (like the edge of the cart path)
I've been away from golf for the past few years. A new thing for me is taking drops from knee height, rather than shoulder height. Personally, I think bending down and dropping it from the knee looks kind of gay. I still drop from shoulder height. Am I allowed to do that, or does it absolutely HAVE to be from the knee?
If you’re going to pass yourself off as a rules authority you should get the rule right. Establishing to point of complete relief from abnormal must be done with intended club and swing path of next shot. You CANNOT use “any club in your bag” to establish a reference point for nearest point of complete relief.
Relief is an option. There are times when our nearest point of relief puts us in a worse position and the best option may be to hit it off the cart path.
Once you lift the Ball you are Committed to taking Relief. First find the NEAREST Point of Complete Relief, and then Decide if you really want to Take the Relief, if Yes, only then Lift the Ball.
Chance is what justifies calling golf a game rather than a sport. Over the years every rules have been introduced to reduce the element of luck in golf which has changed the nature of the "game". For example; The Drop has gone from behind the player over the shoulder to a curtsy in order to remove the chance of a bad lie, originally there was probably no relief at all. It is debatable whether concrete is a bad lie. Relief from GUR should be "required" for protection of the area not to enable the golfer to obtain a better lie.
You must use the intended club to determine distance for cart path relief (immovable obstruction under Abnormal Course Conditions). You cannot use a driver length (and not use it) simply to benefit or improve your relief area, again in THIS scenario. You will be denied under Rule 16.1in the PGA due this act being "unreasonable stroke" - already tried and been ruled on. Other than that, great stuff.
To be clear, you cannot measure with driver then use 7iron or 6 or 8..ect when taking FREE relief. You can however use the driver length to maximize relief area from a HAZARD or anytime when taking a general penalty and a drop.
@@MichealBaconI highly recommend you find the USGA/R&A Definition of "Club-Length" which will explain to you how you are Incorrect. You can use any Club to determine the Nearest Point of Complete Relief, which becomes the "Reference Point" that the One "Club-Length" is measured from.
IF your Ball is in the Grass, but you would be Standing on the Path you can choose to "Play It as It Lies". IF you Choose to Take Relief, you MUST be Standing OFF the Path to play your Stroke.
For a Right Handed Player It doesn't matter what Club you use to determine PCR to the Left Side of an ACC, because off the Left Side the Intended Direction of Swing puts the Reference Point about 6 inches off the ACC. For Right Side Reference Point the Choice of Club Makes a difference in determining the NEAREST Point of Complete Relief. Then It's usually a Driver used to measure the Relief Area.
Thanks Andy, very comprehensive. Learnt a lot. Including how to properly determine nearest point of relief.
Sorry, but Andy is wrong at 2:15 where he says to use the longest club. The definition of Nearest Point of Complete Relief is determined by using the club they would normally use at that location. "Estimating this reference point requires the player to identify the choice of club, stance, swing and line of play they would have used for that stroke."
Yep that is correct! That is what the rule states!
For Relief to the LEFT of the ACC (Right Hand Player) the Point of Complete Relief will always be about 6 inches away no matter which Club is Selected.
Club Choice only comes into the equation when measuring on the Right side of the ACC because your Heels will be just off the ACC.
This is why the Ball must be well to the Right of Center to be able to get Right Side Relief.
Best ifo I seen so far. straight to the point,
Very clear explanation on which club to use for the relief and how to measure the nearest point of relief! Shared with my friends. Thank you!
In the 2nd scenario, in the rocks is nearest point of relief, but didn’t you forget the 2nd part of the rule? One club length from the rocks?
@htchen77 you are only granted Relief from the Abnormal Course Condition. The measured Relief Area won't necessarily be a "Nice Place" to have to play from.
This is why you determine where you would end up - BEFORE you pick up your Ball.
You need to go "Unplayable Ball Penalty Relief to get away from those Rocks after your Free Relief put you near them.
Hi, Andy, very useful. Thanks.
Useful but your club selection must be the club you would have been taken had it not been on a path!!
thank you so much for this. Rules, rules, I wish they'd stop changing. This was great. I 'ook forward for the next video.
Great tips and I agree with you re the need to know more rules😀
Great explanation , clear and slow Thanks
Thank you very much!!!
Thank you. Very well explained.
Thanks, that helped
Well explained!
Great video thank you
Awesome! One would think the USGA rules would try to be as clear as this is.
Hi Andy, I have a question based on your scenario in which you took relief from the sand after the cart path relief. What if, after you found your NPR from the cart path and then the sand, you then took your club one length relief area from NPR, AND THEN found another obstruction such as a sprinkler head, than didn't interfere from your NPR BEFORE taking your one club length relief area. The question is would you then get ever further relief from that sprinkler head? I don't think that you would because you have found your NPR from the original obstruction(s). If they did get further relief, the player would be hopping across the course from one obstruction to another. It's not real clear in the rules or definitions, but a cause of heated debates.
Nice job. Does it matter if your nearest point of relief is closer to the hole or not? For instance, what about a ball on the cart to the side of the green. One side would be closer.
One of the provisions of the Nearest Point of Complete Relief is it be NO Closer to the Hole. So if you had a Cart Path near a Green, most likely you would have to Drop on the Far side of the Path and then Chip/Pitch over the Path.
There could be a geometric Point of Complete Relief between the Path and the Hole.
The Deciding Factor would be Point of Complete Relief CANNOT be closer to the Hole than where the Ball sits on or near the ACC.
Great examples!
Question - in your 3rd example, you dropped on the sand, then remeasured/dropped. Just curious why you just wouldn't drop outside the sand as per your measure, the grass was still within the driver club length?
If that was an option you should definitely do that. I was mainly just showing that as an example as to if there was no grass.
you can also use it to your advantage. If the nearest point of relief is behind an obstacle and there is a free drop location within that one club length that isn't the same thing your already taking relief from it can hep you get out from behind the obstacle
I have watched other TH-cam videos that demonstrate when finding your nearest point of complete relief from a cart path complete relief must be determined with the club you intend to use for the next shot once the ball has been dropped. After the nearest point of relief is found and marked a drop area is then measured and marked by using your longest club that is not a putter. You found your nearest point of relief with your driver not the club you intend to use for your next shot. Is using your driver correct?
It shuld be the intend club, not the longest which he explained saved time.
@@KetilSunde Where did he explain that it saved time ? Saved time for the purpose of the video or what exactly?
For Left side Relief, the Club used is immaterial because the Reference Point will always be within 6 Inches of the edge of the ACC.
Left Side Relief is different because you start with your heels just off the ACC.
This is why a Right Handed Player will almost always have to take Relief to the Left Side of the edge of the ACC.
What about when the cart path is going perpendicular to the fairway (crossing it)? Can you still drop on either side, even if one side is clearly much closer to the hole?
Your drop must be no closer to the hole so in that case you would only have one direction to go.
Because of "No Closer to the Hole", you will always be off the 'Away Side' of a crossing Cart Path. Your "Nearest Point of Complete Relief" will be at least a foot behind the Cart Path because your Front Foot CAN'T be on the Cart Path.
Great demo, it appears to me that there are a variance of interpretation in these rules,because of different situations.Maybe a cover statement or explanation of this would enhance your demo?
Let's say you hit your drive to the right and end up on a cart path. Your nearest point of relief will be the spot on the golf course nearest to where your ball lies is that is not nearer to the hole and that gives you complete relief from the cart path. To determine that spot, you should use the club that you would have used if the cart path was not there.
So if your ball on the cart path is 150 yards from the hole and you would normally hit a 7-iron, that is the club that you should use to determine your nearest point of relief
@@Wolfie565 for a Right Hand Player with a Path on the Right side of the Hole in the vast majority of cases your Nearest Point of Complete Relief will be about 6 inches to the Left of the Path BECAUSE No matter which Club you select that's where the Clubhead would sit on the Ground.
On the Right side of the Path your Heels would be just off the Path and then you have the Distance from the Toe Line of your Stance out to where the Club would Ground.
POINT of Complete Relief (Left) is only 6 Inches , while (Right) would be more like 2.5 to 3 Feet from the edge of the Path.
Good video! Thanks. Question: What if the ball is on the left side of the cart path and left of the cart path is OB. Would you still be allowed relief on that side or would you go on the right side, or not get relief at all?
Your relief must be on a playable part of the golf course so you would not have to drop it out of bounds you could drop on the other side because that would be the nearest point of relief.
@@AndyWeissingerIf there was a Penalty Area near the ACC would I be required to drop in the General Area that also had my Stance inside a Penalty Area?
Or would my NPCR be on the opposite side so my Stance would be in the General Area?
When the closest relief was under the tree and in rocks, couldn’t you take that and use the club length arc to back away from the rocks?
yes. Also move it back towards the path a little would have helped too, but not so far that you are standing on it to play your shot. A shorter iron would have been helpful.
That would depend upon how large the rocky area is. You are allowed to drop anywhere in your Arc, but you have to drop again if the First Drop had you standing on the Path again.
You can as long as you get it out of the rocks and you are getting relief from the path
@@1pierrr your Reference Point for determining Nearest Point of Complete Relief is determined by the Club you intend to use to play the upcoming Shot.
The SIZE of the Relief Area is determined with Driver usually.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 I assume you are noting my “a shorter iron”…. this was for hitting the golf ball so you stand closer to the ball so your feet aren’t on the path and so you aren’t in the rocks or behind the tree…. not used for measuring the relief area.
So because the nearest point is in the rocks or roots, you still have the arc of the club to drop your ball, correct?
Basically yes. It gives you a little room there within that arc
With regard to scenario 2, can you drop just off the path? Does your one club length have to further from the path. In a nutshell, must you take complete relief or can you take partial relief.
you must take full relief. no part of you or the ball may be affected by the cart path after you take relief
helpful - in the case where the nearest point is on the roots, can one simply drop it closer to the cart path on that line? Although one's feet may be on the cart path?
If you are going to take relief the relief has to be complete, so if it was on roots you may not want to take relief and just stand on the cart path. You will even see players choose to hit the ball off of a cart path at times.
@@AndyWeissinger Got it, the 'complete' part is key. Thank you for answering.
Great explanations. However, you could have added the scenario where the ball is on fair ground but feet are on the cart path.
I know you are allowed relief but not clear for everyone.
Thanks
I think you would do the same exact thing in that case. Find the nearest point of relief and take a club length and make your drop.
I disagree with Daniel...the path would have to physically interfere with one's stance. In this case standing on the path would in no way interfere with one's stance- so no free relief.
@timgrover3226 Standing on anything that qualifies as ACC entitles the Player to complete Relief.
NO one has to stand on a Cart Path to make a Swing.
@@timgrover3226 A cart path is considered an immovable obstruction under the USGA's Rule 24-2b. If your ball lies on or near the cart path OR when the obstruction interferes with your stance (not stable with golf shoes when swinging) OR the area of intended swing you may take free relief - you must determine the nearest point of relief no closer to the hole with in one club length and the ball must be dropped
@hdinh4809 not quite.
You find the Nearest Point of Complete Relief - to the present location of the Ball - this becomes your Reference Point where you measure the 1 Club Length Relief Area from.
My buddy David, says that a bare spot on the fairway, no grass just dirt, is an abnormal course condition. But outside the fairway must be played as is. True?
Your buddy David would be wrong. Have him look at the definition of abnormal course condition
The problem with the rules of golf is this is a 7 minute video
In scenario #2 why didn't you mark one club length from the tee in the ground like you did in scenario #1?
Because I was just determining the reference point to decide which spot was the nearest.
But why couldn’t I just have taken relief to the right of the rocks one club length?
What happens if your ball lands passes the green, lands on a cart path, but in-between two out of bound? And the only clean relief in bounds is closer to the hole?
Would abnormal ground conditions include a muddy area without water and the rest of the course is dry
My ball was in a bush a foot from cartpath, an official said first step is to drop on the cart path, then from there drop to the nearest point of relief...I argued that no where in the rules of golf does it have you dropping in a concrete cart path.. what's right?
You take relief from one thing at a time. First the bush - if that nearest point is on the path then that is where you would drop and then you would take relief from the path after you dropped it there.
Great Video. I don't understand Scenario #3 where relief if secondarily taken from the sand. It is not a bunker and is not marked as ground under repair, so I don't get why you are able to take relief from that area. I don't see it as being qualified as an Abnormal Course Condition.
One of the Abnormal Ground Conditions allowed for is Ground Under Repair under which an a hole is made by the maintenance crew for maintaining the course (such as a hole made in removing turf or a tree stump or laying pipelines, but not including aeration holes) would classify until it were brought up to the standard of the course (i.e. sod replaced over the hole). It basically comes down to the common practices at that course. If they typically bring an area like that up to their standard of sod then you would get relief under that definition; however if they typically leave areas like that and consider it repaired then you would be correct in saying that no relief would be given. Sorry for the long response, but I hope that helps clear it up.
Hate to sound picky, but the proper terminology is Abnormal Course Condition (ACC). Not Abnormal Ground Condition. Ground under repair (GUR) is all part of ACC. Ground under repair are typically designated and marked by the committee. If a Player encounter an area he thinks is GUR, and no Rules Referee is around, he should play two balls under Rule 20.1c(3). One playing the ball as it lie, and one taking relief from the area.
How is abnormal defined? Is it defined by the official in tournament play and by the player in casual play? Could it be a dead patch of grass that a “to-the-rules player” can deem as abnormal in that scenario?
The rules clearly define what Abnormal is and goes into detail on the four categories of abnormal in order to rule out a scenario like you describe from someone just declaring something as abnormal.
So you can use any club for nearest relief? As choosing a shorter club in some situations can determine which side of the cart path is the nearest relief. If so does it have to be the club you intend to use for the shot after relief? You used a driver in the first intense, which put you in the rocks.
You are able to use any club you have during the round except your putter.
@@AndyWeissinger Andy, great video. What are your thoughts about the fact that per the definition of Nearest Point of Relief it states that, "Estimating the nearest point of relief requires the player to identify the choice of club, stance, swing, and line of play he or she would have used for the stroke". Does that not require the player to use the club they are most likely going to use for the next stroke and thus prevent the player from using any club that they'd like?
@@AndyWeissinger Jay & Modest are right Andy;-a player could only use driver for establishing the NPCR if that was to be the club he or she would have used to play the shot if the abnormal course condition did not exist. The longest club in the bag is used to measure the one-club length from the reference point. Dave
In scenario 2, is there a rule that prohibits you from dropping your ball closer to the very path within the driver length whilst standing on the cart path?
You aren't required to Stand in the Relief Area to perform your Drop(s). The Ball must land inside the Relief Area.
Does no nearer to the hole factor into the decision? In the first scenario say the green is 10yrds to your left you would be dropping it nearer to the hole. Is that allowed?
Yes - no closer to the hole is always a consideration when taking a drop of any kind. If that were closer to the hole you would not be able to drop in that direction.
@@AndyWeissinger So even if the nearest point of relief is closer to the hole but a drop within one club lengths of that point is not closer then thats ok?
@@pdub7562 If the nearest point is closer than you cannot use it. Think of it as two qualifiers: 1. No closer to the hole 2. Nearest point of relief - i.e. Nearest point of relief that is no closer to the hole
@@AndyWeissinger Thanks
Taking a relief isn't that u must take it till you at good conditions of ground to play?eg relief on the watered green?
Relief is taken from one thing at at time and you measure from the edge of whatever you are taking relief from if it something marked or obvious (like the edge of the cart path)
Can I putt my ball and ride the cart path if it is deemed advantageous to do a without penalty?
Yes, you could. Other than a Ball Out of Bounds or a Ball in a NO Play Zone, you always have the choice of Playing the Ball "as it lies".
Does your body have to stay within the “arch” area when dropping?
NO. The only requirement is the Ball must strike the Ground inside the Relief Area.
I've been away from golf for the past few years. A new thing for me is taking drops from knee height, rather than shoulder height. Personally, I think bending down and dropping it from the knee looks kind of gay. I still drop from shoulder height. Am I allowed to do that, or does it absolutely HAVE to be from the knee?
Agreed. Unfortunately you do have to drop from knee height.
Sometimes the rules are mindbogglingly silly. How about we employ the principles of common sense and fair play and call it good?
if the ball is laying on rocks underneath and close to the tree, wouldn't you consider that an "unplayable lie" ?
If you’re going to pass yourself off as a rules authority you should get the rule right.
Establishing to point of complete relief from abnormal must be done with intended club and swing path of next shot. You CANNOT use “any club in your bag” to establish a reference point
for nearest point of complete relief.
scenario 2: couldn't you use a shorter club?
Yes you could
Why does tiger never take free relief when he tore up his knee trying to hit off the car path
Relief is an option. There are times when our nearest point of relief puts us in a worse position and the best option may be to hit it off the cart path.
I usually us my foot wedge😉
I never want to play with someone who makes me measure my free relief.
I thought you should mark your ball on the path before picking it up?
Once you lift the Ball you are Committed to taking Relief.
First find the NEAREST Point of Complete Relief, and then Decide if you really want to Take the Relief, if Yes, only then Lift the Ball.
This is why rounds now take 6 hours.
Pls answer the comment below mine. Thanks
Why can’t I identify as a righty or a lefty at anytime on the course? Serious?
Golfing with the boys Rule 69.420: use the foot wedge and put the ball wherever you want.
We all suck. Just move it over and keep it going.
I wish you were wrong...
Unclear why he did not drop the ball of the path, away from the rocks, but stand on the path to hit it.
Because you are required to take COMPLETE Relief - Ball, Area of Intended Swing, AND Stance.
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i just give my ball a swift kick...
Chance is what justifies calling golf a game rather than a sport. Over the years every rules have been introduced to reduce the element of luck in golf which has changed the nature of the "game". For example; The Drop has gone from behind the player over the shoulder to a curtsy in order to remove the chance of a bad lie, originally there was probably no relief at all. It is debatable whether concrete is a bad lie. Relief from GUR should be "required" for protection of the area not to enable the golfer to obtain a better lie.
why waste time ... chose relief point considering all conditions...and take a relief simple ....
You must use the intended club to determine distance for cart path relief (immovable obstruction under Abnormal Course Conditions). You cannot use a driver length (and not use it) simply to benefit or improve your relief area, again in THIS scenario. You will be denied under Rule 16.1in the PGA due this act being "unreasonable stroke" - already tried and been ruled on. Other than that, great stuff.
To be clear, you cannot measure with driver then use 7iron or 6 or 8..ect when taking FREE relief. You can however use the driver length to maximize relief area from a HAZARD or anytime when taking a general penalty and a drop.
@@MichealBaconI highly recommend you find the USGA/R&A Definition of "Club-Length" which will explain to you how you are Incorrect.
You can use any Club to determine the Nearest Point of Complete Relief, which becomes the "Reference Point" that the One "Club-Length" is measured from.
You are on a course by yourself. Kick it over and play your shot.
We wonder why their slow 🐌 play lol .
No help
??? stand on cart path - ball on turf OK??
You would be able to drop if ball was on the turf and you were standing on the cart path
IF your Ball is in the Grass, but you would be Standing on the Path you can choose to "Play It as It Lies".
IF you Choose to Take Relief, you MUST be Standing OFF the Path to play your Stroke.
Have seen this explained much better elsewhere. Keep trying.
Too slow sir, speed up
Take this video down - it is wrong! You must use the club you would expect to use to make the stroke - NOT THE DRIVER!
For a Right Handed Player It doesn't matter what Club you use to determine PCR to the Left Side of an ACC, because off the Left Side the Intended Direction of Swing puts the Reference Point about 6 inches off the ACC. For Right Side Reference Point the Choice of Club Makes a difference in determining the NEAREST Point of Complete Relief.
Then It's usually a Driver used to measure the Relief Area.