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When Russia attacked Ukraine, Finland's hunting stores ran out of ammunition in 3 days
@@juhanevalainen8384 Yes,we are a defensive force. We have built our military in a way to defend our country not attack anyone.
Equipment check, started running with 4+4kg training plates, and range days have increased... There has never been a better time to be prepared, "get in shape" and outside.
@@juhahh6515 Seems like im not the only one getting some prep work in. Good shit.
Russia lost its 3 day special military operation in 3 days...
Ahhh ... The spirit of Simo Häyhä! ^^
Finland is prepared to defence. Not to break out a war. That's the difference of UK, US vs. Finland. As some expert well said when asked why Finland does not have battleships or Aircraft carriers and stuff; because Finland is not sending men out to conquer, All we need to do is prevent landing of the enemy..
Yes, this. It is even in the name, as our army is called Defence forces. All this great military of ours is meant to be for, is to DEFEND our country from attacking enemies. We do not want to cause any trouble, Finnish people only want to live in peace in our own country, but damn do we want to live in our own country. That is why we take all the great measures to be able to defend ourselves. Conquered by others? Never again!
think Finland have been helping and giving to ukraine stuff for 2200 million euros and still ready to fight
Just like "we weren't nazis in WW2" (yes we were) and nato is just for "defense" even though it has destroyed many countries and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in their illegal wars + committed all kinds of other war crimes.These nato nazis will get their asses kicked in the next war and Russia doesn't even need to cross the border to destroy us with world most modern missiles and with their air force which can all operate out of reach in their own air space.
Well now were going to send men/woman to protect Nato members.
Last I read history Finland joined Germans in The Siege of Leningrad Sep 8, 1941 - Jan 27, 1944, doesn't sound like a defence, but who I am to judge, call it defense if you want. A million civilians starved. That is a huge dept to pay.
What Russia fails consistently to publicly admit is that Finland is a defender. Sure, we tried to fight offensively in WW2, but that was circumstantial. If it were not for the winter war, Finland most likely would've stayed neutral, and the outcome would've been the same regardless (Soviet victory over Nazis). Yet again, Finland has a strong military DEFENSE. It has no expansionist motives, and to suggest otherwise is to simply distort reality. Finland is content as it is and is only worried about Russian men walking beyond our borders. That is what Finland prepares for.
Well,no worries, Russians have no intensions to cross your border or any other european border and those saying something else are simply liars spreading western propaganda.
We wouldn't want a piece of Russia even if they offered it on a silver platter. It's just a big pile of rubbish without decent infrastructure. It would cost more to make it up to our standards than we'd get tax money out of it.
Exactly. I for one have no problem going to war even if they use nukes against us, as long as we defend. But if it's to take lands from them, I don't really care. You'd have to convince me with some real good arguments to go to offensive war, otherwise even shooting or torturing me wouldn't make me join on. I'm one of Finland's many army-trained men.
In Finland, school-aged children are already taught what you can eat in the forest, how to make a fire in summer and winter. Many Finns live close to nature, if not in the midst of nature. Almost every Finn knows how to survive the winter with minimal equipment. This issue continues in the army's doctrine and Finland's defense is in good hands thanks to our Defense Forces. What Finland can give to NATO in the Eastern District is competent and professional defense. It's not just about the preparedness taught, but also the preparedness and sense of community learned from the Finnish lifestyle and history.
Well... that's at least what we like to tell ourselves... In the army one can see clear differences between a City boy and a farmer's son. But that's the same everywhere. But surely we are good in snow and cold.
What Finland can give is very interesting times, read about 1995 Norwegian rocket incident, it was closes humans have gone to starting the big fireworks.
Now Russia will have to build more automated launch systems because Finland is so close in case of a fist strike.
And once 10-20 year long Ice age starts, then good luck surviving in complete darkness and -150C.
not true
@@pahis1248 It is of course possible that the matter does not concern you, when did you move to Finland?🤔
Maybe in some schools, but not in most. I think most people might recognise blueberry, but when it comes to finding other kind of food to eat or making fire or surviving in winter with minimal equipment... those are learned at home, if at all. Well many finns participate in scouting activities as children, they teach those kind of things.
Infantry general Adolf Ehrnrooth was visiting England in the 1970s.
The English general asked how many Soviet troops are stationed in Finland.
- A few hundred thousand, Ehrnrooth answered.
- Where are they placed? continued the British general.
- To a depth of two meters along the border, Ehrnrooth stated.
(Six feet deep along the border for people who dont use the metric system)
(Swede) Finland is The Shield. They have been for centuries. We would all be speaking Russian if not for them.
True Be Happy
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Sverige å Ryssland har varit i krig 5 gånger,
That is false. Russia gave us our independence when sweden just oppressed us. We gave that quickly away and started to cooperate with nazis, got our asses kicked and now we are trying that same shit with nato nazis.
@@snake1983747983 Hur jävla förbereda är vi nu? Klarar inte äns av gängen vi importerat medans gamla politiker försöker lägga skulden på varandra.
Finnish joke,
If the enemy is attacking from the west it must have circled from the east.
Otappa ny rauhasss.
Yep this joke is very good, my father told this me
I would if mattered be cold all year
Is that a joke about Vikings?
Sisa
Tuntematon sotilas (The unknown soldier) is about Continuation War, not the Winter war. There is also a movie called Talvisota (Winter war) from 1989. I don’t know if the whole over 3 hours movie is available somewhere. I also suggest other movies like other versions of Tuntematon sotilas and Tali-Ihantala 1944.
apparently you can find it from Korea, one youtuber did reaction to Talvisota.
Talvisota is freely available, google elonet talvisota.
Finlands motto is "hope for the best, plan for the worst" I suppose. I think we've always hoped that Russia would join the west, but never been blind to the fact that....well...their politicians aren't really willing to do that. But we're not naive enough to think that war will never happen. And never again will we go to war unprepared. We're prepared to defend our country and I think there is nothing we wouldn't do to keep our loved ones safe. I think at the end of the day, most people in most countries feel the same, we've just taken it to the next level and made sure every family has at least one person who knows how to fight.
Nono no the motto is "kaveria ei jätetä
@@Aulis830 right, right. This is our motto against Russia tho. Or any other country I suppose....
My grandfather was born in the northern part of Finnish Karelia before the winter war. He was 8 years old when his family had to flee the Russian invasion towards the end of war. The place he was born has since been Russian territory. He's shown me on Google Maps, but that's the closest he's gotten to his birthplace since. There's tons of people like him, who were children during the winter war and still remember it today. I cannot imagine what memories the invasion of Ukraine brought up for them. Many European countries have had bad experience with Russia, so there's no surprise we chose Ukraine's side. Even as a Swede, growing up Russia was considered the enemy - a "sleeping bear" that could wake up at any point.
29:00 The idea was to be prepared for a war and be fully public about it so that Russia wouldn't have any stupid ideas. This worked fine for decades but then it turned out that Putin doesn't care about sane plans.
"ryssä on ryssä vaikka voissa paistas" told my granny.
issee on aina sanonu samaa niin kaua kun muistan
My granny added: -tai kermas keittäis. (I don't dare translate - Finnish is a secret language!)
@@pirkkojohnes8675don't worry, it is ungoogletranslatable. 👌 Salaine ku mikä 😉
Perkkele!
Finland has about half the population of my Country Sweden, but they have the triple of fighting spirit. The Finnish Sisu.
Never underestimate the Finns!! And, there is so much harder to attack than defend. Just look at the Ukrainian spirit.
Finland's history with Russia spans way beyond the WW2 and 19th century. The big bully of Moscow has been waging wars within the Finnish peninsula since the late Medieval times, usually against the areas previous colonists, the Grand Sweden. Obviously the poor natives were always the ones taking the heaviest hits, often getting slaughtered, looted and enslaved during the big boys' campaigns. Countless famines were resulted by these pillaging journeys.
The problems always come TO Finns, not vise versa.
...What comes to the Cold War era and NATO thing, Finns were always mentally leaning more towards the Western world than East. Mickey Mouse, Rock & Roll music and Hamburgers were much more appealing than the totalitarian no-fun-allowed and cheap Vodka.
It's just that the "terms of peace" dictated by Moscow made it impossible to break free of the Russian's chains, and freedom of speech was always restricted when it came to criticizing the Eastern neighbor. None the less, everyone knew that in the "next war", the enemy would, again, come from the East. Obviously everyone was worried if said foe would just press the big, red button and end the game before it even had begun.
...Yet, like is the case with most human suffering, some people found a way to profit out of this sad stalemate. The term "Eastern trade" still lives strong in Finland, and refers to the few people who made their living by exporting various restricted / hard to get goods to Russia between the 1950s and early 1990s. These "friends of our enemy" still belittle the terror of Moscow, and some of these remaining boomers even appear to support the recent events in Ukraine.
Fast forward to 1992. USSR collapses. Finland is "free". Russians are "our friends", and everyone treats the place like a "young, growing new demogracy, that's going through its growth pains". This might've been true during the Boris Jeltzin's rule, but after this certain KGB assassin sat on the throne, everything changed. Some city hippies already criticized the existence of conscription-based Defense Forces in the early 00s, which even was subjected to numerous cuts in the early 2010s because of this, but lo' and behold these actions were greatly regretted after the Russian's initial occupation of Ukrainian soil in 2014.
Also just a disclaimer:
Ever since the war started in Ukraine, and extra more so after Finland joined the NATO, every single comment section related to articles or footage covering the topics have been getting bombarded by the Russian troll factory posts. Kreml is NOT happy about any of this, and they're trying to inject their own schizo narrative into the conversation. If you see a post containing "b-but USA did this...!" or "I think "WE" should not have made Russia angry by joining the alliance...!", that's almost certainly a wolf among us.
No zoomer memes intended.
Small correction. It was actually Boris Yeltsin, who destroyed hopes of democracy in Russia back in 1993 during the constitutional crisis. The opponents of Yeltsin were not just crazy communists trying to bring old Soviet system back, but politically very wide alliance of members of parliamentary, which Yeltsin crushed with military. Then he scrapped the constitution and replaced it with a new one, which gave him czarist powers, which he then used to sell power and wealth to whoever was loyal to him and bribed/lobbyed him the most. Then Putler followed. There never was a democracy in Russia. It's really like John McCain (from the time when there were sane people in the Republican party) said: "Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country'".
I live only 35km from the Russian border. This is close but, Russians have only one road to get here. I know that it is not possible to get here without skiing troops. NATO will give us some back support of course. At the same time we must remember that only Finnish, Swedish and Norway have soldiers who can operate in deep snow conditions. Also Russians who live in the north can do that. Many other NATO countries can operate only during the summer. So in winter time other NATO soldiers can just watch what we can do. Of course summertime is a different story. Now we have only 40cm of snow, but normally it gets up to over 1 meter. If the infantry cannot ski then you can't go off the road at all... This means that we can't use foreign forces from any other than Nordic countries!
Entä virolaiset?
Take note that the only two countries in NATO with actual knowledge on how to fight against the Russians are the Germans and now Finland. Finland being the most successful at it, having suffered minimal casualties due to functional tactics. The nature of warfare since then hasn't changed at all it seems. Adding to it that we Finns have well over 1200 years of experience with fighting against the Russians, counting minimum twice a century having to fend of their aggression.
In that respect it sounds strange when the western countries and NATO speak of not aggravating the Russians in fear of escalating the war. Historically it is bound to happen, so fkn let's go already!!!!!
The big Russian icebreakers are built in Finland..... 😂
One thing to add to the list of preparations is that most of bridges here in Finland are built to be easily destroyed. There's dedicated spots for explosives to easily bring down said bridge
Same goes with the roads. The road maintenance is deliberately worse from Russian border to inner Finland. It's tactical advantage.
@@Mayhem-pv9cc i just thought it was cause finland is bad at keeping roads fixed
@@Mayhem-pv9cc To be fair, its shit in center Finland as well, maintenance is ignored or done subpar, then speed limit is dropped cause of road condition, that drops the road into lower maintenance class and circle is repeated until removing pavement, causing houses near those roads loose value due shitty road and dust, wtich is then "fixed" by applying salt on summer too, to make sure cars rust away and yes its deliberate as save funds(and force people buy new shittier cars) to then push taxed/stolen funds to be washed into useless projects that benefit corrupt politicians and their buddies, well as now waste money to say F35's that can be only flown from airfields in Sweden, if the shit really hits the fan.
Russia knows all the Finnish airfields and alternative landing strips that are peppered around the country. It wont take a day to pummel those full of holes, while more sensible plane would been Swedish Gripens that can land and lift off from essentially potato field if need be, being designed for extremely shitty landing strips. While less capable in stealth, those can be transported by trucks and fly under the radar, only lifting up to shoot their payload into incoming planes, when enemy is close. F35 is high tech princess that break down if it sees speck of dust in the airfield, while costing far more to operate. Even the hornets can take shittier landing strips. Those only need cursory walk trough to remove rocks and debris that might suck into engines.
Russia may know the alternative landing strips we have, but they dont know the landingstrips that aren't even alternative landingstrips during peace time. Also, they may not want to destroy all of them, because they may want to try to capture and take the landingstrips into their own use@@Hellsong89
The thing is, I doubt Putin "wants" Finland. It's a fact that if Russia invaded Finland, we would be the most difficult child he's ever had, making internal issues, even civil wars, and who needs that? We speak finnish, we are our own peoples with our own culture and history, we have our own means and ways, and then suddenly we're a part of Russia because our army fell? No.
Stalin is praised in Russia. And Stalin gave up on Finland, for a good reason. Finland cannot be "attached" to Russia because of the finns. Unless they commit a genocide, Finland stands independent despite its army. And the army is no joke.
And yet most other Finnic and Finno-Ugric nations are currently occupied by Russia.
Finnish general Adolf Ehrnrooth was visiting in England after the World War II.
British general asked him how many Russian troops were stationed in Finland.
"A few hundred thousand" answered Ehrnrooth.
"Where in Finland are they stationed?" The British general asked.
Ehrnrooth answered: "Two meters underground along the border."
along the border*
@@saje446 moded, thanks
It's also fun to Finish General Adolf Ehrnrooth signed Russian Act of Surrender two years earlier
@@user-bi7tl3gp8f Ehrnroot did not sign the peace treaty
...about 500 000, 6 feet below !! That was the fact answer!!
Thank You SIr. We're here to be prepared, no matter what happens.
The mentality has always been there. Sun rises from the east, same as the greatest threat.
I don't remember how many kilometers of underground bombshelter tunnels we have under Helsinki but there was room for about 500k persons..
You forget... this wasnt the first time Russia invaded a smaller neighbour.
Cheznya 1994-1996 1999-2009.
Georgia 2008.
Ukraine 2014-present.
Like how Hitler took other countries up until france and UK said 'dont take Poland or we will be at war', Putin have been getting away with attacking and taking territory for way too long before the west decided to help Ukraine.
Georgia started the 2008 war according to an EU-report.
@@johnnytiger7580 I must have missed the Georgian tanks rolling into Russia. Oh wait...
@@johnnytiger7580
Bullshit. They rolled into Georgia with tanks. Russians are all about aggression and being dicks to the rest of the world. Even China is starting to deter from Russia, because they're so f'd up.
Icebreaker is boat or ship designed to break ice and form safe paths for other boats and ships. Thinner ice breaks when bow hits it but in case of thicker ice icebreaker can drive its bow on ice which gets crushed under weight of ship's now.
Finland is probably self-suffficiant with ammunition at least what comes to the certain calibres. Finnish Patria en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_(company) majority owned by Finnish government owns 50% of Nammo (Nordic Ammunition Company) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nammo which has several factories in Finland. At the moment because of the situation in Ukraine those factories roll on in their full capacity in three shifts, hiring new workers and having full order books.
One quip is that most nations have an army. The Finnish army has a nation.
We shall never let anyone take our Country or hurt our people. We shall fight for it and not only it but for our friends also. That includes Swedes and Estonia. We are all brothers !
Finland is not really that militarized, look at Israel with it's similar population and 400k reservists, and much bigger Air force and Navy.
Compared to military of Israel Finland is a joke, US spends 10 billion dollars on Israel military every year, nothing like that in Finland. The opposite actually Finland buying stuff like F-16s from US.
@@Nauda999we have over 300.000 active soldiers. Over 900.000 reservist. Europes largest artillery force. We have also f-16s. By the year 2025 they will all be replaced by F-35s. We learned a lesson in 1939 and we know Russia very well and we have been preping ever since.😊
@@zewalonaccording to wiki Active personnel 24,000 (2023), but reserve personnel 870,000, that is really impressive. 16% of population reservists is really impressive.
Europe's largest artillery force is Russia obviously, why would you think it is Finland, no idea, 2nd would be Turkey, 3rd probably Ukraine with all the artillery delivered.
And good luck preparing, after joining NATO, will mean that Finland is a hostile nation to Russia and will need to spend a lot more on military.
And most important factor is Finland allowing USA military base in Finland, that will be really interesting if they place missile systems there. Really improves chances for the big fireworks. Things are really progressing quite well for that.
@@zewalon Finland really has to hope that USA will start sending ten or more billion dollars a year like they do to Israel to afford all that military expenditure, or good bye free education and healthcare.
We know how russia operates,thats why we have been prepearing for it last 70 years
In Finland, there is also a non-military organization called Lotta Svärt, which is a women's organization, where women act as background support for soldiers, performing e.g. air surveillance, food and clothing supply, weapons supply for soldiers.
*there WAS.
This was one of the many organizations USSR shut down in 1945.
The organization and its veterans still enjoy great respect to this day, and there's multiple civilian human-aid groups and activities that patch the hole left by the Lottas. But it's just one more proof that the Cossacks take whatever ain't nailed down to the ground.
No there is not... It was shut down in 1944
@@Elsuri313 basicky it just chance it's name to Suomen Naisten Huoltosäätiö, and took over much of the old property from Lotta Svärd.
in 2004 it's change it name to Lotta Svärd säätiö (Lotta Svärd Foundation).
Lotta Svärd was crushed 1944 as ordered in the peace treaty. But we still have Sotilaskotiliitto, which supports soldiers food and clothing supply. No arms or surveillance included.
@@mikkorenvall428 yep. lotta svärd was shut down in 1944, but like i wrote Suomen naisten huoltosäätiö took over much of the old property from Lotta Svärd. as it was started by many who originally belonged to Lotta Svärd.
Tuntematon sotilas is the Continuation War. Not the Winter War.
In Finland we have the saying hope for the best, prepare for the worst
Just because we're a part of Nato, the US can't drag us into any of their wars if we don't want to join them, it's only if annothe member of Nato is attacked that we need to be prepared to intervene in defense of that country
And to repeat what others have already said, Tuntematon sotilas is the Continuation War. Not the Winter War.
The US did trigger NATO article 5 after 9/11.
@@HoseTheBeast They did, but it does not oblige the other members from joining external military operations or to even provide military personnel for the cause. The terrorist attacks of 911 were simply so horrible and inhumane, that ALL of the Western world, even Russian leader himself, condemned them and willingly aided the WoT operations the best they could. A lot of it was in form of peace keeping and rebuilding operations, later on.
That's exactly what an icebreaker is.
You said in a previous video that compulsory conscription sounds a bit like communism, I think most Finns think it's the complete opposite, we try by all means to avoid becoming communists 😂
We do not want war, but we are not afraid. We are awake, prepared and very much willing to defend what is ours.
I am a finnish 30-year-old woman with no military experience, but I would not hesitate a second to do whatever is needed for my country. If the need ever arises, I would not flee my country, not go hiding (unless commanded otherwise by those in charge, then I guess I would need to follow the orders of those who know what they are doing), but find out what ever assisting tasks I could do, and give my all to that. If I would have to die doing my duty defending my country, then so be it.
The collective trauma we have from the previous wars and our history in general, has made us the nation we are today, and the importance of defending ourselves has carried across generations.
Well done Sini ! I´m proud that we have women like you in Finland ! 🇫🇮
I'm already old, but if my daughter does the same thing (as she probably will), then I'll do my part by taking care of the children and the animals
I think most of my fellow Swedes turned for real when news came out about what happened in Butja Ukraine. There we saw what a savage rabid beast the Russian military really is.
Pure bullshit...the savages are the neo nazis troops from Ukraine..stop spreading western lies and propaganda.
Correction: Tuntematon Sotilas (The Unknown Soldier) takes place in the continuation war, not in the winter war. There was a brief time of "peace" between the two, though of course us Finns never trust the Russians, so we took that time to build the Mannerheim Defensive Line, a massive civilian/military project to build fortifications, bunkers, erect stone pillars to hinder tanks, etc. And not a moment too soon!
Russia has already resorted to the hybrid-warfare tactics mentioned in this video. A few weeks ago, the number of refugees and asylum-seekers coming from Russia skyrocketed compared to previous levels, and we were forced to close our border. We tried to re-open parts of it this week, but large amounts of people, numbers yet again unseen during normal circumstances, once again started crossing over from Russia. Because of this the border is now closed again and will remain so until mid-january. As was said in the video, we are prepared this time.
4:30 getting dragged to a war because of NATO membership is not that simple. there are rules where the attack must happen and if NATO country declares war on country X its not automatic for all NATO members to be at war against country X.
This. People seem to forget that NATO is a joint defense organization. Originally created to prevent another Nazi-Germany from invading the world, soon re-invented to prevent Stalin from doing the same deed. It's the Sovier Russian cope narrative that NATO = drafting innocents to another remote war zone, like Vietnam in the 60s.
Also, the border is mostly empty at the moment, Russia boasted about strengthening it but the opposite is true. It is yet another nail in the "nato expansion" excuse: if they truly feared NATO the border would be the strongest since 1945. But it is the opposite, they have to send so much resources to the war with Ukraine that they literally can not afford to defend their borders too.
Novgorod, somekind of proto-russia, attacked finns first time 1042. After that there has been around 40 wars between finns (as a nation or native people) and russian. We do know older battles but these are not as well written history.
But mostly Finns together with Russians fought with Sweden - they even took Capital of Sweden together.
@@user-bi7tl3gp8f Yes, under sweden's rule finns fought for the kingdom of sweden and under russian rule finns fought for the russian empire. Back and forth, back and forth.
WWII, first against russia with nazi weapons and then against nazis with russian weapons.
Will Finland ever stop sleeping one eye open?
5:00 Starting from there, it's not like we did not want to be involved, we been involved for decades with UN etc. Why Finland did not join NATO sooner is more like; you have a neighbor with a history of mental problems but its OK today, then he goes INSANE again and you need to call for help!
It would be amazing to just have peace and not this Mordor next to us.
Imagine if Russia put all this money and effort into taking care of it's citizens, especially the young generation! Educating them, taking care of their needs and becoming a peaceful and developing part of Europe AND Asia. They would BE the superpower they are desperately daydreaming to be!
14:15 No. Most of us don't get any benefits when we leave. If you want to actually get benefits from military service you specialize during your training (military police, driver's licenses for busses/trucks, aviation, etc.). Your regular footmen (most of the population) gets pretty much nothing out of the conscription. Yeah the government helps with your rent and you get a pass on your education if you managed to qualify for higher education before military but that's only for the duration of your service time. The pay per diem is less than 10 euros and that doesn't increase your possible future pension.
There has been some talk about possible tax breaks for few years for those who do their service time. But that has been only talk, no action on that so far. Women get a big leap on education around 18-20 years compared to their male counterparts because women don't need to participate in conscription.
The women getting big "jump" on life is also a good thing, which also makes the "equal" conscription a difficult matter. How do we make sure our economy wouldn' suffer from it -> we can't have both men and women all do the service -> we would have to continue with the same amount as now BUT with the best ones from both sexes -> how we decide fairly who will do it and how we make sure the best are selected -> how we make sure the "best" won't be set back too much compared to the rest -> how do we make sure not just simply having all men do it, would create. situation where people find reasons to not do the service because not all are selected.
That is my biggest concern with the talk of equal service. To me it is not about equality it is more about how to do it without braking anything. In the future it most likely will be done but that might and probably needs tot take a while for the proper system to be found, tested and perfected.
+ we are having issues with low birth rates and women doing the service would mean they would "lose" 2 years instead of one (talking about 1 baby, should be more lol). Would that create more reasons to not have as many babies and have the ones even later. That would create even more issues. Some people talking about it don't realize it is not that simple and black and white.
@@teemup9247 When we are talking about low birth rates one of the biggest "issue" there is women getting higher educations early on and then chasing highly competitive careers which makes them inherit very masculine traits. I don't really mind women chasing high end careers but if you want to increase birth rates then you kind of want women to skip on higher education until later on in their life.
You can see much higher birth rates in families who immigrate into Finland and they have yet to chase high end careers. Generally speaking immigrated women have very feminine traits and serve in low skilled jobs when they are 20-35 years old.
So having women participate in conscription equalizes the playing field when it comes to education. But not only that, conscription can make women and men have something in common that can bond them better socially speaking. From my point of view there is only wins when we are talking about equality in conscription.
That is of course another point of view. Though I don't consider pursuing a career "masculine", but I get your point.
My point was that since women more and more (this has started decades ago already) pursue careers as well they might put off having babies until the career path is "set". That combined with a year lost for conscription would put having babies off for even longer.
The bonding thing would be very true though. It annoys me when people turn this question to be only about "equality". At some point it is probably going to happen, but it isn't as simple as just adding women to conscription law. There are issues that need to be resolved first and it will take a while.
Until that, current system works great. We get large enough pool to be trained each year and our economy doesn't suffer from everybody having state sponsored gap year.
Those bomb shelters and condency plans seemed so normal and reasonable that it took me a long time to realise that other countries might not have anything like them.
4:21 If a NATO member initiates hostilities, it does not automatically compel other NATO nations to join the conflict, as per Article 5, which is invoked only in response to an attack on a NATO country. NATO operates as a defensive alliance, emphasizing the collective defense of its members. Furthermore, I posit that any NATO member intending to launch an offensive would likely require the approval of other member states, whether it be the United States or any other nation within the alliance.
Check "Combat Camera Showreel 2022" by the Finnish Defence Forces for some epic training footage 😎
Not only has this added 1300km of border. Now there's a NATO air base (Rovaniemi) a mere 400km distance from Murmansk (as Simon mentions the Kola peninsula at around 24:00). Planes of other NATO countries have already practiced landing in Finland. The Nordic countries have signed an agreement that they make their air bases interoperable with each other's planes, despite the fact that they at the moment operate three different types of fighter jets. Well done, Putin.
I served in 2013 and we used nato alphabet, command systems, language, manners and weaponry was being integrated. During that time we were already told that we were heading towards more lasting alliances with the west, without detoriating our own martial culture. Finns have pretty high want to defend our nation and our allies.
Simon kind of glossed over the reasons for why Finland broke away from the Russian Empire; long story short: by 1899 Nicholas II of Russia got nervous over the national awakening of Finland & wanted to make sure Finland couldn't break away from the Empire & as such introduced certain changes which if successful would have abolished the autonomy Finland had enjoyed for 90 years, Finns, having been loyal enough to the Russian crown to the extent that a previous Russian emperor had actually said "leave the Finns be, it's the one province that has never given us any trouble", took offense & the independence movement was born, in one stroke of a pen Nicky turned Finns from his most loyal subjects into the biggest pain in his rear, 20 years after the beginning of his idiotic Russification of Finland the entire Imperial Family was dead & Finland was an independent country.
like someone said before "Dont fuck with the Finland at winter!" :D
For about 50 years, just talking about joining NATO was too risky as USSR plan was to invade before any official agreements with NATO would be possible. It takes usually years and just an excursion forces sent over the border by USSR would've been enough to stop us joining NATO. Them taking over in few weeks was a possibility. Now things were different, it would've taken a lot more for Russia to pre-emptively strike, and we got UK defense pact within weeks from Russo-Ukraine war starting, and we of course were in EU who has its own defense pact... So, we weren't neutral when joining NATO but moved to the west one "salami slice" at at time: each step on its own does not warrant aggression. In 1960 just talking about it seriously would've sent USSR tanks at the border and over it.
There was no choice but to walk on that right rope. USSR and Finland had a LOT of trade and politburo members got a lot of nice western luxury items, so.. why not keep Finland as somewhat obedient but very lucrative trading partner... Also, Urho Kaleva Kekkonen did a lot to keep Finland safe, a controversial benevolent autocrat but at least it worked.
Finland will defend but will not attack if NATO or the US attacks Russia, Finland's defense army will not join it.
Once, Finland had the best sniper of all modern times.. Simo Häyhä 505 comfirmed kills in WWII
The inclusion of women in conscription is a funny tale. Various "international peace organizations" (that are generally soviet/russian led and do not operate in soviet/russian territories) managed to rally a minor crowd calling out the conscription as gender based segregation, with the pretty obvious intention to have the conscript based military service abolished. The parliament took notice, figured they did have a point, and decided to extend the conscription to include women in the future.
20:53 An icebreaker is a special-purpose ship or boat designed to move and navigate through ice-covered waters, and provide safe waterways for other boats and ships. Although the term usually refers to ice-breaking ships, it may also refer to smaller vessels, such as the icebreaking boats that were once used on the canals of the United Kingdom. For a ship to be considered an icebreaker, it requires three traits most normal ships lack: a strengthened hull, an ice-clearing shape, and the power to push through sea ice.
Icebreakers clear paths by pushing straight into frozen-over water or pack ice. The bending strength of sea ice is low enough that the ice breaks usually without noticeable change in the vessel's trim. In cases of very thick ice, an icebreaker can drive its bow onto the ice to break it under the weight of the ship. A buildup of broken ice in front of a ship can slow it down much more than the breaking of the ice itself, so icebreakers have a specially designed hull to direct the broken ice around or under the vessel. The external components of the ship's propulsion system (propellers, propeller shafts, etc.) are at greater risk of damage than the vessel's hull, so the ability of an icebreaker to propel itself onto the ice, break it, and clear the debris from its path successfully is essential for its safety.
Russian will always be a Russian. Even if baked in butter. -Old Finnish proverb.
Actually fried (=paistettu), baked (=leivottu).
As a Finn, when I think about what I would do if Russia attacked Finland, it leaves me with two possible worst case scenarios; First one is dying while fighting for my country & the second one is losing and going under Russian administration. Now for me the choice is actually very easy, I'd pick the option number 1 any day. In case option number 2 happens, I will turn it into the option number 1 myself. For me, becoming Russian is the only thing that is worse than death. And no, I'm not exaggerating nor being dramatic. Sorry if you're Russian and reading this, I don't hate the normal citizens, but I'm proudly a Finn until the day I will die.
Those bunkers and shelters are also for security if some industrial or climate catastrofe would appear. People have place to where we can take the cover if something dangerous would happen. We also have this huge alarm system that is tested regulary every monday 12 a clock. If those sirens starts to alarm any other time you should open up a radio and seek for cover. First everybody would have to inside where ever they are. Then you listen from radio what is happening. There might be a deadly fumes or gas outside and you need to get safe into the bunker and breathe purified air only. Radio would start to repeat safety instructions. After the threat is over you can go safely back home that information is also told in the radio.
I thought I was subscribed to you and then realised I wasn't but couldn't find your channel anymore but finally I found it.
Nice to see that Finland keeps up with the Sisu!
Finland didn't ever really stop their preparedness after the Cold War ended, and for good reason too.
The sad thing is that Sweden used to be this prepared not that long ago, with war placements for civilians (a job you knew in advance in the event of war), bomb shelters in pretty much every basement, extensive plans for "when the war comes" overall. The 5th largest air force in the world, a huge army (for our population size), massive amounts of tanks. We threw it all away at the end of the Cold War and only started to wake up in 2014, with the 2022 invasion of Ukraine being a hard wake up call.
If a Finn ever invents time-travel, could you go back and slap our politicians before they slash the defense budget? Please and thank you :D
If you didn't sell us your "surplus" weapons after cold war era, for cheap, those weapons would not be already in "front line" of NATO. Ofc we paid for them, and we probably would have got some for free in case of Russian invasion. But that we already have those weapons here,. and have trained with them for years, will decrease chance of Russian aggression. Some smart guy has said "Those weapons in Finnish hands, will serve European security." And that was after Russia annexed Crimea.
Edit:
I read your post again, and I suppose you're Swedish. So we didn't buy lot of weapons from Sweden, but from Nederlands and Germany for example.
I don't know which government was behind the decision of the huge military cuts in Sweden, but I remember that many looked at it with surprise. I'm guessing it was in the same era as the sell-off of the public good that we can now see the indirect result of with gang violence, wide class divisions and a right-wing populist party gaining ground.
The sad thing ( as a person that was in the Swedish Military Defense Forces) I know what the MILITARY wanted to get rid of in the late 80's/early 90's, unfortunately the politicians then wanted more and more gone until the 2010 situation became.
I'll look into that time travel thing
We have saiyn here in Finland that 1 Fin is equal to 10 Russians in war . But peace time doesn’t matter. Like I know here is very good humans from Russia. We have here 30 000 Russian living in Finland
I have to point out that "under 2%" GDP before and now over 2% question. Everybody forget that conscripts don't get paid. So if they get paid. It would be about 5%. So that 2+% is for weapons and ammo. So let's compare apples to apples. ;o)
They get paid... A whopping 5.40€ - 12.50€ a day when in service depending on the length of the service. =) But nothing when in reserve.
Also something that didn't get mentioned in the video, is that the region near the border is heavily forested.
Meaning any invading force from Russia either has to stick to the few roads that exist between the border... which would be a MASSIVE strategic mistake (just look at Battle of Raatteentie) or repeat the mistakes of WW2 and get their tanks stuck on trees.
Finland has snow cars as well
Finland has a huge artilleri. Tanks has no role in a country of 180.000 lakes, and rest is a dens woodland.
Hi, again. I forgot to recommend, not knowing which version of"Tuntematon Sotilas, You have seen: Take a look at the original, (not the later, "Hollywood version"), from 1954.
And the "skirt of Finish Maiden", Karelia, where my family comes from was cut of; the part was considered as the breadbasket of Finland. And the Finish coat of arms: Those weapons, are the same, as in Karelian shield.
And fun fact: Soviet did not, bomb Helsinki, they provided "breadbaskets" to poor Finns, that´s why Finns made, something to "drink" to the bread: Molotov Cocktail! Did´t see that coming?
So, You might get a small "picture" of why we just "love" those bastards.
The movie "Tuntematon Sotilas" is about "Continue war" between Finland and Soviet union. That was right after winter war. Theres also old movie about winter war called "Talvisota"...not so good, but watch that too 😊 Finland was able to defend against Soviet union in winter war allalone. The Continue war came after where Finland was first kind of allied with nazies and actually attacked Soviet union instead to get back lost land, well, at the end it didnt turn out very well, but Finland was able to keep its independence again. After that came "war of Lappland" when finnish turned against nazis and repelled germans from Finland. Theres new movie called "sisu" from that time... Kind of 😅 you need to see that too 👍
It is continuental war where the movie has done. Winter warv39-40, cont 41-44, and the movie is from the last of those
You should watch a video "Why Finland Has 54,000 Nuclear Bunkers" 😁
During the NATO application process PM Johnsson flew to Helsinki to back Finland. That says it all. Ballsy. (Btw there were two european capitals in the countries involved in WW2 that were not occupied by foreign forces - London and Helsinki.)
When you learn to say "Perkele" correctly. You get filled with the fighting spirit every time you say it. 😈
Kyllä, I am Swedish but I love my brothers across the sea!
NO! they are made of steel and our snipers aren't made of snow either😅
No matter what finnish people will say but i bet 80% are willing to serve their country what ever it takes. We 30-50 yo, as me! My grandpa was at war and i bet this will matter the most for most of finnish people.
Being prepared has always been a necessity here. For several months every year you can't grow crops in Finland. Winter doesn't really care who you are; it's game over unless you're prepared for it.
You should watch video about Finlands bomb shelters.
When Putin attacked ukraine, I asked my neighbour should I start to sharpen my axes. No foreign nation is coming to my house unharmed.
Same. I'll gladly die for the country i was born in, because both my grandfathers were willing to do it so i could have a country of my own.
If my life ensures the safety of Finland, i'll gladly give it.
The Baltics and Finland have always seen Russia very differently from many other Western countries. Our grandfathers all had to defend this country against them, and these old timers sure as hell made us know that they'll never change. If Russia want to invade, they just will. Regardless of the cost to their people.
Привет ☕️ 🧇 🙋🏼♂️ Этого не будет.
@@MikhailTravels That is very nice of you to say, but Putin disagrees.
Kreml has been saying that they're gonna get the Baltics and Finland eventually, so I'm afraid your guarantee isn't worth much.
@@jvalfin3359Америка специально распространяет такие новости, чтобы сильнее натравить людей друг против друга. Они же диктуют новости,которые должны видеть в Европе. Мы же обычные люди на земле,которые просто живут,когда мировые политики ссорятся..... Люди и политики находятся на разных чашах весов ⚖️ Всё обычные люди на земле за мир ☮️
@@MikhailTravels I have not only been reading American headlines, but watching it directly from Russian state TV, Ольга Скабеева and Владимир Соловьёв. I keep up-to-date on what the Kreml says. Even though a lot of it is just bluffing and disinformation, it doesn't hurt to know what's being said to the Russian population by Putin's mouthpieces.
I'm happy you're on the side of peace, but you don't speak for the Russian government, and in the end, they'll be the ones to decide. Ukraine was getting too alluring for Putin, so he decided it was just time to take it. There is no guarantee that the same won't happen to Finland. And we won't tolerate imperialistic expansion by violence and genocide.
Russia needs to stay inside their borders, and stop eyeing neighbouring countries for their land and resources. If Russia attacks, we will defend ourselves.
@@MikhailTravelsThose regular people support Putin’s war and are stealing it’s neighbours land at the moment. Russian people should take responsibility of their actions.
As we were neutral we had to maintain this credible and visible threat to deter Russia from attacking. Meaning all the preparedness discussed in the video. Now that we are in Nato, I can only hope our future governments keep up with it and not just start to rely on Nato as a deterrent.
There is a good youtube video about Finland's newest Ice Breaker Polaris. "LNG-powered icebreaker Polaris - Full-scale ice trials of the Aker ARC 130 design"
You should react to a similar video about Sweden that simon did.
Turkey and Hungary are blocking Sweden from joining NATO, but Sweden is basically already in, last week the US and Sweden signed a treaty that the US can use 14 of Sweden's military bases.
Finland was effectively already in NATO and Putin knew this.
The signing of papers was just a formality.
A formality which I think our politicians should not have done.
There was an unofficial opinion poll about joining NATO right after putin lost his marbles. And Finnish people responded, like "Yeah. putin obviously hasn't have all of the Moomins in the valley, so let's join NATO while we still can ". And the Finnish parliament saw the results, acted accordingly, and here we are. So, yeah...
20:50 yes, icebreakers are a thing, and of the Russian icebreakers many were actually built in Finland, including two nuclear powered ones (they installed the reactors themselves in Leningrad after the Wärtsilä shipyard in Helsinki delivered them to what was still the USSR), more than that most of the ships built in Finland are built with class A (long story short class A means the ship can navigate the Baltic Sea on their own year round even when the sea ice is one meter thick-) or better ice-breaking capabilities, and the Finnish Navy insists on better than class A for its' warships.
What most, if not all of people fail to comprehend in all of this "war"/war talks, is the use of nuclear weapons and why countries have them, as well as why countries don't want others to do.
Nuclear weapons are not, never were and never will be weapons of attack, offensive weapons. Nuclear weapons are not even defensive weapons, as a matter of fact, nuclear weapons are weapons of deterrence. What this means is that a nuclear power can deter others from interfering with their wars, policies, diplomacy and internal affairs. This is why, countries with nuclear weapons don't like others to have, because the more countries have them, the fewer countries can be pressed. The reason these are weapons of deterrence is not just their destructive power, but the inability of the receiving nation to stop the attack.
The US is not afraid of Iran having these weapons for example. They don't want Iran to have this power of deterrence, because they can influence other Muslim nations in the region.
So, we have to understand that. That is the reason that there is not going to be a foot soldier crossing the border of Russia in Ukraine. Even if Ukraine would have the Russians pushed out, they would never be able to set a foot on Russian soil, no western power would agree and give the green light to that. You have to understand this... Same goes with any country that has Nuclear Weapons. You just CAN'T set a foot in there. That's the power of Nuclear Weapons.
Waiting for the next 5D chess move by Putin...
Hilarious narrative about Helsinki. Largest city and the capital, but the reserves will most definitely come from everywhere else but.
I try in my small head to calculate .. the rotation of the earth to travel say 2 miles.. I would be off by foot or close.. Simply by the drag of gravity/Air and the fact that the eart rotates.. and wich way it rotates..
Most seem to have that opinion, but i am from Finland and my opinion is that we would have been better safe without NATO. Now Russia can consider us as threat and that might give us hard time unlike common opinion seems to be Russia seems quite reasonable and i think it wouldn't have attacked here at all if we would have stayed neutral. Just think about this way USA brining men and missiles here how neighbour thinks about that? You might want think if Russia would bring men and weaponry to Canada ihow USA would think about that?... People usually forget to think both sides of things and easily forget another ones side and opinions.
Imagine if Russia bringed missiles, men and nuclear threat to Finnish border….wait, it has done it decades ago.
NATO being threat to Russia is just Kremlin propaganda. Tiny Finland is not going to attack or invade anything. And Russians also know that. That’s why our eastern border is empty now.
Stop playing the Kremlin narrative.
Good thing about NATO is that we don't have to care what Russia thinks about us anymore. Your naivety is quite something. Russia has shown it's true face and it's ugly, vicious and violent. The further we are from them politically and otherwise the better.
Väärässä olet, nuori mies. Haiskahtaa taas Veli Venäläisen trolli postaukselta?
Russia has never treated Finns as "friends". We are nothing more than cattle and free materials waiting to be grabbed. Everything even remotely "against" the will of Moscow's king = instantly "a threat" towards Russia.
And lets not pretend like Ruskies wouldn't have been waging wars and pillaging their neighbors for the past 1000 years. The amount of butthurt and angry yelling from Kreml just proves that Finland did RIGHT by finally joining the right side.
Yksin oltaisiin kusessa ja meidän pojjaat kyykkisivät tosipaikan tullen itärajan montuissa. Nyt ei jäädä enää yksin tuleen makaamaan.
Your greatest army is that u are an island 😏
Finland and Sweden deciding to join NATO while obvious is not quite as simple as made out in this video.
The reason Ukraine changed everything is based on the idea behind both countries defense.
Both had strong (Sweden a bit less so after downsizing) defense based around the idea not that either could defeat Russia, but that the war would cost more then it was worth. But that would also be true for Ukraine and the people of Russia considered them a brother nation.
If Russia is willing to pay the costs needed to take Ukraine, then why would they not be willing to do the same for Sweden or Finland?
That is why joining NATO was suddenly very popular in both countries.
Thanks for this video
In Findland We have 1 cannon / 1 Km,. in the boaeder
And some more artilley as M270 MLRS
As of 1 October 2023, the British Army comprises 75,983 regular full-time personnel, 4,097 Gurkhas, 26,546 volunteer reserve personnel and 4,548 "other person
4:50 NATO is protect each other not aggressive. we are cool.
Btw, five out of eight of those congress(wo)men, who voted no, did not get re-elected. Yeah, it's getting tough to be a ruzzia loving politician in Finland nowadays.
So in short protect democracy & western countiries with different ways also traditions & other stuff so very important to keep europe / united states at good position basicly
You’re only paranoid if no one is out to get you…
I dunno when the video was researched but our GPD spending on our army is at 2.45% now.
Well, if you look history, we've been under Swedish and Russian goverment at 1800's and finally got our independence 1917 and started to build our own army, tired of fighting other's wars and wasting & taxing our people some conflict at France or where ever, so "be prepaired" goes a looong ways back in Finland's history.
I dont think we as Finns expect that some other country will fight our wars, but it's more that what we can bring to the table and what others can give us in the heat at the moment, should we need help - intel, ammo, food, supplies, medical etc.