How to improve VAR. First and foremost: *REMOVE THE "CLEAR AND OBVIOUS MISTAKE" RULE!* After that it should be made so 3,5,7,9 (odd number) referees are put in seperate rooms (WITHOUT DISCUSSING WITH EACHOTHER) and each ref has to make a vote on a situation. Then the majority vote decides the outcome. Again ...the "clear and obvious mistake" rule has to be removed, VAR isn't there to judge the Referee but to make sure the teams (and viewers) get what is right. The main issue (in my opinion) with the "clear and obvious mistake" part is that it removes any help that the referee wants and needs from VAR. Say a referee is unsure about a situation, so he thinks "I'm not sure, I didn't see it properly. Let VAR help me out." The replays show a clear penalty, but because of the "clear and obvious mistake" rule the VAR team doesn't do anything because it wasn't "a screamer". ...but then if you're a linesman (Assistant Referee) then VAR steps inn if you don't call a 1 cm offside, as if that's a "clear and obvious mistake". I'm 100% positive to VAR as a concept to help the referees and make the game more fair for everyone, but under the current rules in the English PL you don't get that. Nowhere close to helping the referees and nowhere close to making the game fair.
definetely agree. not only is the clear and obvious rule is too much based on the referees original decision, it is also inconsistent. for example (from a united fan), the first penalty we got vs norwich which was originally dismissed but then later given, was that clear and obvious? if it took 6 minutes to make a decision its not clear and obvious.
Do it like in rugby and cricket, the fans get a view of what the people who make the decisions are looking at on the big screens and speakers to display the communication between VAR and umpire and it will be fine.
In rugby, the referee asks the TMO (VAR equivalent) "Is there a foul, yes or no?" or "Is it a try, yes or no?". This would work so much better in football than the current system. The conversation should also be broadcast, and the final decision announced by the referee through the stadium tannoy, like in American Football.
I am American so replay has been integrated into most of the sports over here. I am going to use American Football as an example. When a review happens (coach's challenge or Booth officials want a review) the referee announces (he has a mic) that there is a review of a certain aspect of the play (is it a touchdown?, a catch?, did the runner make the line to gain?) He then goes over to an on-field monitor (which prem VAR does not have) and looks at all relevant angles for the play. They are also communicating with New York (NFL hq where the video assistants are) while looking over the footage. In the mean time the footage is also being shown on screen at the stadiums and on tv. There are 3 outcomes for the review. The call on the field is confirmed, stands, or is reversed. Reversed is self explanatory, it's (usually) the opposite of the initial call and can only happen if it is clear and obvious that the referee made the wrong decision. Any uncertainty in the call, but not enough clear evidence to overturn it and the play "stands." If it is clear that the official got the call right, the play is "confirmed" and the official announces the result after they are done reviewing it. This process takes a longer time in the NFL because the clock stops but this process can be shortened for soccer and stoppage time can always be added. I sometimes laugh at how the rest of the world struggles with replay while the U.S. has developed a solid formula for it.
That's how VAR is checked in champions league and fifa events right? Why can't they implement that in premier league? It is just a matter of a screen on the ground!
I like the way it works in field hockey. Each team gets a single challenge and if it is successful they keep it, unsuccessful they lose it. You hear what the umpires are saying, you see the replays that they are looking at, takes no time at all. 1 minute max but usually less
Statman Dave should be come the next Fa chief executive when the current one leaves, he knows what hes talking about to get this damn var malarkey thing sorted out
I think that VAR should be available to correct decisions only a number of times. It may seem weird comparison, but on volleyball there's a thing called challenge, which the coach calls to attempt an overturn on the ref's decision, having two chances per set. If in football, VAR would only been use like twice a game for each manager in critical situations like goals, penalties or given red cards, it would restore the tempo of the game and could add up the drama and anxiety, something welcomed in football.
For me penalties should have something like hotspot like in cricket for LBWs and caught behind. Surely they can make something like that when there's foul in the box especially for handballs. The problem with some decisions if the game carries on during a penalty VAR incident they don't check it until it's out of play but going to the incident should have at least a time limit during play because carrying on play for a few seconds and then give the pen after checking VAR just ruins it.
"Liverpool will start losing when VAR is introduced." *Liverpool win the Champions League in the first season VAR is used* *Liverpool 6 points clear at the top of the PL in the first season VAR is used*
Think the problem is more with the rules than var it’s self. Things like it’s a handball no matter what is ripe for abuse with things like strikers purposefully kicking the ball at defenders hands for a penalty
I agreed with most of the points mentioned in the video Clear and obvious error is a load of rubbish because it's inconsistent I thought the champions league method was a lot better than this one, where the referee always had the final say. Granted the process was long (referee going to check the screen) but it's better than the shambles we have in the premier league. You can't have two referees taking each others mistakes out, it just makes the whole thing into a farce because of indecision and overturning decisions. I'm not too sure about what Dave mentioned about the challenges and strikes rule. That's quite a radical change, I think it would be better to keep it as close to the norm (one single referee) as possible.
@@espben360 but the major issue now is refs egos. Bad decisions no longer matter if var stops protecting refs precious little egos with the clear and obvious crap and corrected the decisions. In cricket and rugby the refs/umpired have accepted they arent perfect machines and the speed of the game makes its almost impossible to get every decision right, there is no shame in making a wrong call and once prem refs grasp this var will work.
Even on the United Arsenal game, if the linesman didnt put up his flag, Maguire would surely have gotten a lot closer to Aubameyang to stop him scoring. Now he might not have done anything but youd never know. They need to let the game run and then decide.
Give captains an appeal each half they can challenge the original dissision, if they are right they keep the appeal if they are not right they loose it. Keeps the game going and I dont know about you but when the ball hits the back of the net it feels the anticlimactic this season.
My view has always been that the referee should review the footage pitch side and have the option of overruling himself without being undermined, however I appreciate the large amounts of time this would take.
I’m sorry but Lindelof slightly touching Origi’s calf and him diving is never a foul and didn’t impact our likelihood of scoring the goal as he had already released the ball.
I don't think VAR aims not to undermine officials in the sense you are. It's more along the lines of not changing anything that is debatable. The referee is the one closest, and it's his job to call the game, so his decision stands unless there is a "clear and obvious" error. Speaking of which, something can indeed be clear and obvious without being instantly apparent, can't it?
Your argument is cogent but the feedback loop solution you propose doesn't fit the rest of the argument. If there is always dialogue on every big decision, like a penalty call, the fan experience would be terrible, as that conversation and review would take at least 15 seconds. Additionally, in many situations, the whistle is only blown for some outcomes (many penalty claims occur without a whistle ever sounding). In these situations, the ref must make a decision before VAR is involved.
SHOW THE FANS WHAT THE VAR TEAM ARE LOOKING AT IN REAL TIME ON THE BIG SCREEN, Make each ref use var before making their decision also fine referee's if they get a decision wrong while having var assistance, simples
I just mike up refs and use it like it's used in rugby and cricket, have ex pros in the var box looking at games, let teams have 5 tokens they can use in the game like they have in cricket to over turn ref desisons
Do it like in rugby and cricket, the fans get a view of what the people who make the decisions are looking at on the big screens and speakers to display the communication between VAR and umpire and it will be fine.
If referee made wrong calls in match, can they also get caution/yellows/reds/subbed by another ref/suspended for next match?? I mean they (referee) should also get punishment of their own mistakes
Been wondering why they dont just have a referee sat in a room watching the clips in isolation without knowing the original refs decision. The major issue is var refs protecting their mates poor reffing and hiding behind the "clear and obvious" smoke screen.
The only way to improve VAR is have a UEFA body or FIFA body firstly make the rules and be the ones handling it. The FA are trying to be too nuanced and all that bullshit on it. They also NEED to show the matchgoing fans what's being looked at in the same way they do for the TV-watching fans.
Should be called VIDEO REFEREE. Lose the 'assistant'. If the video referee is employed in a match they are equal to the ref on the pitch. We would then lose the 'Clear and obvious mistake' nonsense. One glaring omission not being reviewed (in my opinion) are goal kick/corner dicisions. winning a corner is a huge advantage over it being a goal kick for the opposition OBVIOUSLY! Corner disputes could be cleared up in seconds e.g. Pitch Ref ' Video Ref was that a corner? VR yes..err..No! Make that happen
Okay. Good for the owners. Meanwhile, us fans have to sit and await incompetent morons drawing lines that aren't of any importance to the live entertainment value. 90 seconds on average, 3-5 minutes if you're unlucky. I'm not watching football to let adults fuck around with screens elsewhere, there's e-sports for that.
It is not rocket science to do video reviews correctly. Every other sport manages to do it perfectly with barely no issues - why does Football always have to overcomplicate the most simple of things??? Show the review replays on the big screen so people can actually see wtf is going on. Call it based on the actual rules and not interpretation. There needs to be CLEAR and UNDOUBTED evidence to overturn an on-field call. They should only be used to judge goals, penalties and red/yellow cards. Anyone with basic common sense can do this.
Do it like in rugby and cricket, the fans get a view of what the people who make the decisions are looking at on the big screens and speakers to display the communication between VAR and umpire and it will be fine.
How to improve VAR.
First and foremost: *REMOVE THE "CLEAR AND OBVIOUS MISTAKE" RULE!*
After that it should be made so 3,5,7,9 (odd number) referees are put in seperate rooms (WITHOUT DISCUSSING WITH EACHOTHER) and each ref has to make a vote on a situation. Then the majority vote decides the outcome.
Again ...the "clear and obvious mistake" rule has to be removed, VAR isn't there to judge the Referee but to make sure the teams (and viewers) get what is right.
The main issue (in my opinion) with the "clear and obvious mistake" part is that it removes any help that the referee wants and needs from VAR. Say a referee is unsure about a situation, so he thinks "I'm not sure, I didn't see it properly. Let VAR help me out." The replays show a clear penalty, but because of the "clear and obvious mistake" rule the VAR team doesn't do anything because it wasn't "a screamer".
...but then if you're a linesman (Assistant Referee) then VAR steps inn if you don't call a 1 cm offside, as if that's a "clear and obvious mistake".
I'm 100% positive to VAR as a concept to help the referees and make the game more fair for everyone, but under the current rules in the English PL you don't get that. Nowhere close to helping the referees and nowhere close to making the game fair.
absolutely agree!!!
definetely agree. not only is the clear and obvious rule is too much based on the referees original decision, it is also inconsistent. for example (from a united fan), the first penalty we got vs norwich which was originally dismissed but then later given, was that clear and obvious? if it took 6 minutes to make a decision its not clear and obvious.
Do it like in rugby and cricket, the fans get a view of what the people who make the decisions are looking at on the big screens and speakers to display the communication between VAR and umpire and it will be fine.
In rugby, the referee asks the TMO (VAR equivalent) "Is there a foul, yes or no?" or "Is it a try, yes or no?". This would work so much better in football than the current system. The conversation should also be broadcast, and the final decision announced by the referee through the stadium tannoy, like in American Football.
A better sport
I am American so replay has been integrated into most of the sports over here. I am going to use American Football as an example.
When a review happens (coach's challenge or Booth officials want a review) the referee announces (he has a mic) that there is a review of a certain aspect of the play (is it a touchdown?, a catch?, did the runner make the line to gain?) He then goes over to an on-field monitor (which prem VAR does not have) and looks at all relevant angles for the play. They are also communicating with New York (NFL hq where the video assistants are) while looking over the footage. In the mean time the footage is also being shown on screen at the stadiums and on tv. There are 3 outcomes for the review. The call on the field is confirmed, stands, or is reversed. Reversed is self explanatory, it's (usually) the opposite of the initial call and can only happen if it is clear and obvious that the referee made the wrong decision. Any uncertainty in the call, but not enough clear evidence to overturn it and the play "stands." If it is clear that the official got the call right, the play is "confirmed" and the official announces the result after they are done reviewing it. This process takes a longer time in the NFL because the clock stops but this process can be shortened for soccer and stoppage time can always be added. I sometimes laugh at how the rest of the world struggles with replay while the U.S. has developed a solid formula for it.
American sports have got it down. 🏀🏈⚾️
The premier league does have on screen monitors.
Just let the ref watch the footage
I know crazy right? Ffs how hard is it
That's how VAR is checked in champions league and fifa events right?
Why can't they implement that in premier league?
It is just a matter of a screen on the ground!
I dont understand the "Clear and obvious mistake" thing. I mean, if a refree are wrong, its obvious that he is wrong.
It’s very very silly
Video assisted robbery
Lololol
I like the way it works in field hockey. Each team gets a single challenge and if it is successful they keep it, unsuccessful they lose it. You hear what the umpires are saying, you see the replays that they are looking at, takes no time at all. 1 minute max but usually less
Statman Dave
should be come the next Fa chief executive when the current one leaves, he knows what hes talking about to get this damn var malarkey thing sorted out
Spot on Dave
I think that VAR should be available to correct decisions only a number of times. It may seem weird comparison, but on volleyball there's a thing called challenge, which the coach calls to attempt an overturn on the ref's decision, having two chances per set. If in football, VAR would only been use like twice a game for each manager in critical situations like goals, penalties or given red cards, it would restore the tempo of the game and could add up the drama and anxiety, something welcomed in football.
For me penalties should have something like hotspot like in cricket for LBWs and caught behind. Surely they can make something like that when there's foul in the box especially for handballs. The problem with some decisions if the game carries on during a penalty VAR incident they don't check it until it's out of play but going to the incident should have at least a time limit during play because carrying on play for a few seconds and then give the pen after checking VAR just ruins it.
They also need to use the screen
Great video and agree with all points it especially the it should assist referees. Should be used similar to goal line technology
FA should watch this.
"Liverpool will start losing when VAR is introduced."
*Liverpool win the Champions League in the first season VAR is used*
*Liverpool 6 points clear at the top of the PL in the first season VAR is used*
tdyerwestfield - OFTW OG they’re just that good of a team
Now it’s “LiVARpool” haha these sad sad excuses of human beings
Think the problem is more with the rules than var it’s self. Things like it’s a handball no matter what is ripe for abuse with things like strikers purposefully kicking the ball at defenders hands for a penalty
The Ref needs to have a handheld device to see what VAR is looking at, so they don't have to leave the pitch to check.
Kindly refer the use of TMO in rugby!
I agreed with most of the points mentioned in the video
Clear and obvious error is a load of rubbish because it's inconsistent
I thought the champions league method was a lot better than this one, where the referee always had the final say. Granted the process was long (referee going to check the screen) but it's better than the shambles we have in the premier league. You can't have two referees taking each others mistakes out, it just makes the whole thing into a farce because of indecision and overturning decisions.
I'm not too sure about what Dave mentioned about the challenges and strikes rule. That's quite a radical change, I think it would be better to keep it as close to the norm (one single referee) as possible.
Can you do a video on if allegri goes to Manchester United.
They can start by handing back those 2 points they mugged off arsenal this past sunday
Do one on Granda cf playing good this year
Conclusion: Get better refferes
You can't get them like there groceries at Asda. FA or whoever have to do better job at teaching the up and coming referees, and better preparation
Josh JK jr if you can’t spell referee correctly you might not be the best person to criticize someone for their mistakes.
@@-youngish im not critisizing any one sorry i made on mistake boss, all im saging is that better reffs are needed
@@espben360 but the major issue now is refs egos. Bad decisions no longer matter if var stops protecting refs precious little egos with the clear and obvious crap and corrected the decisions. In cricket and rugby the refs/umpired have accepted they arent perfect machines and the speed of the game makes its almost impossible to get every decision right, there is no shame in making a wrong call and once prem refs grasp this var will work.
Even on the United Arsenal game, if the linesman didnt put up his flag, Maguire would surely have gotten a lot closer to Aubameyang to stop him scoring. Now he might not have done anything but youd never know. They need to let the game run and then decide.
Give captains an appeal each half they can challenge the original dissision, if they are right they keep the appeal if they are not right they loose it.
Keeps the game going and I dont know about you but when the ball hits the back of the net it feels the anticlimactic this season.
My view has always been that the referee should review the footage pitch side and have the option of overruling himself without being undermined, however I appreciate the large amounts of time this would take.
Dave should be incharge of the FA
Dave I love you
I’m sorry but Lindelof slightly touching Origi’s calf and him diving is never a foul and didn’t impact our likelihood of scoring the goal as he had already released the ball.
60fps for the win
Video assistant referee not assisted
The thing is VAR done so well in the world Cup but in the premier league its absolute shambles, bring back the VAR from the world cup
I don't think VAR aims not to undermine officials in the sense you are. It's more along the lines of not changing anything that is debatable. The referee is the one closest, and it's his job to call the game, so his decision stands unless there is a "clear and obvious" error.
Speaking of which, something can indeed be clear and obvious without being instantly apparent, can't it?
Your argument is cogent but the feedback loop solution you propose doesn't fit the rest of the argument. If there is always dialogue on every big decision, like a penalty call, the fan experience would be terrible, as that conversation and review would take at least 15 seconds. Additionally, in many situations, the whistle is only blown for some outcomes (many penalty claims occur without a whistle ever sounding). In these situations, the ref must make a decision before VAR is involved.
SHOW THE FANS WHAT THE VAR TEAM ARE LOOKING AT IN REAL TIME ON THE BIG SCREEN,
Make each ref use var before making their decision also fine referee's if they get a decision wrong while having var assistance, simples
I saw "boys played well , inshallah"😂😂😂
I just mike up refs and use it like it's used in rugby and cricket, have ex pros in the var box looking at games, let teams have 5 tokens they can use in the game like they have in cricket to over turn ref desisons
It would help if the referees in England were actually educated!
That's why they weren't at the last world cup
The referees should be allowed to view on the screen as well
Do what they do in rugby and out the conversation between VAR and the ref on the speaker and have the ref look at the screen it isn't hard
Do it like in rugby and cricket, the fans get a view of what the people who make the decisions are looking at on the big screens and speakers to display the communication between VAR and umpire and it will be fine.
Football can learn so much from rugby
Don’t watch tons of Rugby but it’s an entirely different than football in how it is played.
If referee made wrong calls in match, can they also get caution/yellows/reds/subbed by another ref/suspended for next match??
I mean they (referee) should also get punishment of their own mistakes
But in cricket the decision is always black or white it’s not like that in football thus making var harder in football but great in cricket
This week var was horrible
Been wondering why they dont just have a referee sat in a room watching the clips in isolation without knowing the original refs decision. The major issue is var refs protecting their mates poor reffing and hiding behind the "clear and obvious" smoke screen.
“Clear and obvious errors” but then they take 5 minutes drawing lines to find out a player was 0.0002cm offside, what a joke
They shouldn't be making a millimetre FIFA 20 type offside decisions.
The best way to improve VAR is to get rid of it!
The only way to improve VAR is have a UEFA body or FIFA body firstly make the rules and be the ones handling it. The FA are trying to be too nuanced and all that bullshit on it. They also NEED to show the matchgoing fans what's being looked at in the same way they do for the TV-watching fans.
baseball has no issues with video review. It is a much simpler system though
Cricket has a thing called hotspot. I think it would be good penalty incidents like handballs which is probably easier to create then fouls
Simple take humans out of it use a computer algorithm instead
THERE WE GO THAT'S THE ANSWER WE WANTED. ROBOT REFS!!!!
Statman Dave far better then humans
Answer is simple: get rid of it :)
Should be called VIDEO REFEREE. Lose the 'assistant'. If the video referee is employed in a match they are equal to the ref on the pitch. We would then lose the 'Clear and obvious mistake' nonsense.
One glaring omission not being reviewed (in my opinion) are goal kick/corner dicisions. winning a corner is a huge advantage over it being a goal kick for the opposition OBVIOUSLY! Corner disputes could be cleared up in seconds e.g. Pitch Ref ' Video Ref was that a corner? VR yes..err..No!
Make that happen
How to improve refs - implement VAR.
How to improve VAR - Seriously!!!
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Dave: Let’s get this party started🎉
Get rid of it. Referees are actually more incompetent with it, not less.
You would rather Aubemayang not getting the goal instead, and Arsenal unjustifiably losing 1-0?
There not getting rid of it, it will here until another newer and better technology/ method comes along
How to improve on VAR: Remove it.
Okay. Good for the owners. Meanwhile, us fans have to sit and await incompetent morons drawing lines that aren't of any importance to the live entertainment value. 90 seconds on average, 3-5 minutes if you're unlucky. I'm not watching football to let adults fuck around with screens elsewhere, there's e-sports for that.
It is not rocket science to do video reviews correctly. Every other sport manages to do it perfectly with barely no issues - why does Football always have to overcomplicate the most simple of things???
Show the review replays on the big screen so people can actually see wtf is going on. Call it based on the actual rules and not interpretation. There needs to be CLEAR and UNDOUBTED evidence to overturn an on-field call. They should only be used to judge goals, penalties and red/yellow cards.
Anyone with basic common sense can do this.
Do it like in rugby and cricket, the fans get a view of what the people who make the decisions are looking at on the big screens and speakers to display the communication between VAR and umpire and it will be fine.
It highly unwise to give Premier league refs mics. Could you imagine the language 🤣
😂😂😂
Stop saying “goddamn” please.