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@@eagle_and_the_dragonbesides a small screen for apple car play, Waze and maps What more do you need from a massive screen ? Just don’t get this trend with car makers festooning cars with screens
i love the now "old" BMWs, BMW has lost the plot. For me it started with the beaver tooth grill, and the get lost in a crazy maze when they made the XM as a celebration "sporty" car and from there on it just got worse.
This is retarded. Especially the electric part. Majority of the lineup has engines with electric/hybrid variants. They have no choice but to go this route but at least they gave you a choice. This is such a lazy take on BMW. 🤦🏿♂️
You can flash all the CS/GTS software onto any F80. It's even better because you get to pick and choose your favorite versions. There isn't much in terms of actual hardware that changes between the Comp and CS. Take a comp, flash the GTS steering and CS diff/MDM/DCT and you are good to go. Add some camber plates and some monoballs on the front thrust arms and it's even better. Take that extra money you saved and throw it into some nice coilovers or extra track wheels/tires. It's a great chassis that just needs a few choice changes to turn it into a real weapon. And its reliable!
Out of all of the M4s to come out, this one always appealed to me. It's looks are sharp and refined. As you say, years of ironing out the issues with the initial release resulted in the pinicale for this generation. Well worth the money if you can afford it.
I prefer the M3 CS but I love all CS brands, my favorite being the M5 varient. James I'd love to see a video on your top 10 all time bmw's. That would be really entertaining
@@Brozay401 with all due respect m8 I think you mean the e30 325 . The e21 came as a 323 i straight six . Maybe a bit before your time . If I’m wrong please correct me … have a good one …
I’ve got a normal m4 pre competition 2015 model. Shakir Orange in immaculate condition. I stare at it from my front room window , I stare at it from my office window and walk backwards after parking it. Love it.
I’ve got an M4 Comp and today on a straight dry road, it wheel spun at 50mph in third gear. They really are a handful to put traction down without sticky rubber.
This has happend in my 640D Gran Coupe, I think it had something to do with the Run Flats, I changed over to Normal tyres.....Difference is Night and Day (Comfort & handling wise)
Great review - I’ve made the CS and GTS calibration codes to engine, gearbox and diff with fresh PS4S and it has made a world of difference to my f80 m3 Comp.
I was lucky enough to go from a slightly tuned RS3 to an M4 CS a couple of years ago. Although the Audi was more comfortable and had more in terms of creature comforts I smile WAY more in the CS. Every time I drive it I have a huge smile on my face.
a very smart looking car front to back. always excited when i see them on the road, and i'd really love to own one myself. the (really) new ones have lost their appeal to me, though, especially with those hideous grills on most models. the previous models looked as modern and stylish as they could ever need. now everything is over the top or plain shite design-wise.
Also I don't understand the criticism about the steering and differential. It's heavily under tired, put 275's front and 305 rears. Have it tuned engine and transmission, it did ten fantastic laps on the Nürburgring. Not only that, it went from Stockholm to Nürburgring and back.
@@yaboiyosef7640 285 is definitely under tired. I had major traction issues but I'm tuned on ethanol mix. Widest you can fit is 305 front and 315 rears on 18" and a custom alignment. I daily mine and my next setup will be AR-1's. Have 9,5x19 25 offset 275/35r19 front and 10,5x19 35 offset and 305/35r19 rears. But I'm also considering cup 2's because they come in 305/35r19 and tripple 8. AR-1's and AD09 don't.
I owned an M4 CS. Brought it used with 3k miles and was a year old. Absolute bargain and it was the best car I’ve owned. I’ve absolutely loved it. Great video mate. Edit: I am 100 percent certain this was my old CS. Did Gareth get this from Cotswold BMW? Good to see it’s being enjoyed, driven and looked after. 👍🏻
I did indeed get it from Cotswold BMW. Wanted one with a BMW warranty and a clean bill of health. Not sure about the crash damaged point but bmw insisted all was legit with the car as did Car Vertical although I know that's not a 100% guarantee. The car is sweet and very well looked after.
I would always say the M4 is better looking than the M3, but in CS form, I am with James and would go for the M3. BUT these appear to be closer to £50k so maybe an M4. I was always thinking that my next car would be the Alfa Guilia Quadrifoglio, but this makes it an interesting choice. Which is better? Would love to see a comparison of the two of them.
I had a 1997 E 36 M3 new.Incredible steering and braking. Heavy clutch!!! Then bought a 1987 635 Csi. Heaven! Please find a 635 and review. Possibly the prettiest thing in history, and I miss it so much (am now late middle aged with dogs and a have a C1997 4.3 Merc wagon)
My 15 yo daughter who is very unimpressed by cars, actually like a month ago told me at the parking lot "Dad, that car looks really cool" and she pointed at a old 80is BMW 6-series :)
I'm so old I remember when BMW's had round taillights and weighed right at 2000lb,(right at 907 kilos), and were great fun to thrash around on the narrow, twisty mountain roads n Vermont,(USA). Owned a couple 2002's and a 1600 which I'd love to have again but those that aren't rusted bring quite a lot of $, as do these newer ones. I'll have to be content with my 987.1 Cayman 5spd which is a blast on the narrow, twisty back roads here near the river so unlike most of Texas there's actually a lot of elevation changes. The bonus is that LEO don't monitor these roads much.
You can praise the E46 for the na engine, looks and retro feel. You can praise the E92 for sound, looks and steering but once you're behind the wheel, an M2 comp, M3 or M4 is a much better car to give you that performance, scares you, has a want to kill you feeling and still looks the bomb. The S55 doesn't sound great but it still sounds like a straight 6- the bread and butter for the M division.
I've had 4 BMW's, started in a 330i e90, then a diesel, last one was a 530d F11 and after that one I really wanted a F80. Test drove one and I wasn't impressed with the power, the car dealership also had a W205 C63s and after a testdrive I was impressed, with stock power that car has so much torque and even on a dry road you have to be carefull or it will kill you.
James I remember seeing your review of the M3cs when it came out & really wished you have had driven it in the dry with the cup’s! PS4s for winter, cup2’s for summer that’s what I have always done. I bought my first M3cs new after it was on sale with a healthy discount. After 5 years of hard ownership covering 27000 miles and various trips to Scotland, Spa, Bilsterberg and many circuits around the uk as my backup car, I found myself stuck in a rut as a capable replacement just couldn’t be found. So I bought another 1! I was lucky enough to find a time capsule with 300 miles on the clock (now 1200) and will no doubt follow the same pattern. These cars need a little dialing in to reach their full potential, a small map tweak, equal length decat pipe and adjusted camber settings make for an amazing A & B road bandit that glides over the bumps & eats up miles to the shops & wherever with confidence. Looking at the numbers, Munich made a great deal less M3cs than the M4cs & therefore more likely to reach unicorn status in years to come. These cars are real gems and despite the eye watering sticker price when new they are worth every penny. Smitten.
Great, been looking for a replacement for my 88 E30. Most every video you make I think yah that's the one! Thanks for giving us very interesting cars that few bring for the enthusiast. Will she love me or love me not. Back to the drawing board .
Haven’t owned 3 F82 M4s, the CS was the only trim I liked, the suspension and comfort were finally tuned properly and it felt proper, ultimately the lack of comfort access doors was my biggest issue with it.
I like the buzzy 6 cylinder engine note, in preference to the often over egged, V8 warble everyone else seems to crave, I just think it makes an elegant sports car like an aston sound like an oily American lorry.
Spot on J. Had the M4 comp after an E92 V8 M3 and the M4 was a step up in comparison despite a deficit in the sound department. I'm now on the G series M2 which is so similar to the M4 comp it feels like the same car in a smaller wrapper. Love it, excellent review.
Totally agree! Had one from new at £70k, discounted by dealer , best purchase ever, daily’ed it through the winter on cup 2s which show how well sorted it was. Sold it for a GT4 but that wasn’t as useable in reality 😂
Crank hub, no traction, rattly interior, bad ride quality without the adaptive shocks. The g series made a lot of improvements Power delivery in the F8X is awesome though. Truly a special car but not without its quirks
I think this generations m3/m4 were genuinely BMW's masterpieces of the 2010's. The looks, performance, sound, usability and great interior just was perfect. The literal definition of what BMW is suppose to be, a practical car that could be used everyday for shopping or transporting passengers while also having the ability to be a great sports car.
10:27 Jay, 'recalibrating' means changing the suspension setup. Hence it's a different suspension setup. It's not an adjustable suspension so they couldn't just 'recalibrate' or change the settings of the Competition. With such (non-adjustable) suspension components they had to order new components with the desired spec from their suppliers. So it's not the same suspension as in the Competition. Besides, as far as I know an essential part of how amazing the CS is, and how different it is to the previous F8X M3s & M4s, is the new bushings. I've driven the M4 Competition and M3 CS (on road and on track) and they are incredibly different in their nature. They handle very differently and feel very different.
According to the parts catalogue, the springs are unique to the CS, but everything else (EDC dampers, ARBs, suspension arms, knuckles etc) are shared between the CS and the regular M4. Perhaps there's a difference in geometry between the two that explains the different feel?
Different springs can mean a lot, then the dampers can have different control software. And as I mentioned the bushings might be different? Well, IIRC the rear subframe is bolted directly on, but the rest of the bushings...
Top content. I have owned a e92 M3, F82 M4 Comp, and now a F82 M4cs and have tracked all of them extensively at COTA. Toyed with upgrading, but honestly nothing makes sense when all the cards are on the table. New M3/4? Not worth the extra money for what you get. Porsche, lacks the practicality. Merc, nothing in the range that is exciting, other than AMG GT, but then no practicality. Same for Audi, there is a reason you do not see them on track much aside from the R8. For todays money, nothing comes close.
I’ve just driven an E90 M3, and I thought it sounded fantastic. However, the shift points felt numb, steering not as direct as advertised and the power is waaaay less than you think. The car isn’t just slow compared to now, it’s slow for the day. The C63 is a better sounding engine and feels way faster. With that said, the F80 begins to become more attractive. I think I’m going to consider buying this CS version now.
Great review thank you ! FYI no M4 (nor M3) CS are fitted with OPF, these are the last models to come out the factory without them. Which also means it’s still got the carbon driveshaft. Only point is would disagree on is the door cards. Understand your point but that’s part of what makes it feel more special, and you get used to it ! Although i would have appreciated if they actually fitted a speaker grill since the speaker is still working behind that door card !
I agree, some reviewers would say the doorcards are a turn off, but its part of what makes the car special and sets it apart from any CS clone. I bought my M4 CS over an M3 CS just for the doors as that was one of the main selling points.
The only way to make the exhaust sound better is a big single exhaust. When you merge after the twin downpioes, it actually sounds more like a straight 6 should, cleaner and more sophisticated.
Wall of torque. The 911 Turbo engines are great but uncharismatic they don't rev all that high and make torque everywhere. They don't sound that good without exhaust. I'm a Porsche fanboy but I understand what he is saying. You don't work for anything in a 911 turbo.
I think that CS will have OPF filters. The 2018 comps (pre OPF) sound good, and I think represent the best buy at the moment. I’m saying that as a previous C63 and B58 owner. Would be good to hear your feelings on the >2018 comp. I think these have become more interesting considering the state of most new cars.
All the CS’s have carbon prop and don’t have the OPF/GPF’s… I’ve had a M4CS for nearly 2 years and coming from many M’s and a 991.1 I really don’t know what I’d buy next..!
If I’m going regular M power, I would just go M3, capable taking kids and wife and won’t get much of complaining, if considering about CS model I would surely goes M4, looks better, more hard core, and coupe tells people, hey I’m enjoying this!
James you’re spot on! I know, lap times between standard Ms and their CS counterparts are not that far off, but the confidence you have in the car is night and day difference. With the standard M2 I always felt a bit lost mid-corner, due to steering, suspension and seats. But the M2 CS is made to attack roads and give you so much precision and confidence. It just wants to turn more and more and more.
Have a low mileage 2018 M4 Comp in Silverstone Blue with a full spec inc adaptive susp.. plus I had all the steering / suspension / gb box software updated to latest GTS /CS spec ( big difference ) ... best BMW I have had since my M5 e39 just wicked
Great video, I missed a detailed discussion about the dramatic weight increase even of M labelled BMW cars. They could be good if they would weight at least 150kg less like some competitors
@@GoldenCroc Hello, BMW M4 (G84) 440ps, >~1750kg (EU), as an example in similar price, target range: Porsche Cayman GTS (400ps) ~1495kg. Not a Porsche fan, but the weight of M2, M3 and M4 is high in comparison to Cayman, I would even include maybe Alpine A110, similar price range and a bit track focused, at least what the marketing stuff of these three companies are telling us.
@@klaus6458 I see. I personally dont see any of those as competitors at all, so the weight comment doesnt appy for me. For me, the only true competitors are Mercedes, Audi, Alfa Romeo and Cadillac and perhaps some more I have forgotten. All are mid size family sedan based platforms, and all weigh about as much. The cars you mention are dedicated sportscars platforms with much less space for luggage and passengers. Hence they can weigh less, they are physically smaller in dimensions and interior space.
Well, it’s just hard to believe how good this car is. They never fitted GPF into any M3 CS though. That’s why they made only 1263 units and needed to stop production early. When compared to M4 CS, M3’s are rarer thus it’s the version to have. The car was designed to work with Cup 2 tires, and it doesn’t work as well with any other tire. More sidewall in the front (18”) helps steering feel and damping characteristic and together with lighter bonnet (carbon fibre plastic with an additional central vent) eradicate understeer completely. The car was designed to work best in SPORT suspension setting as there is a massive difference in lateral body control and much more compliance at speeds above 70 mph on backroads. CS’s Power curve is very reminiscent to a NA engine thus the driveability is just sublime. When tires are up to 25°C and above there are NO traction issues at all ! (dry). Throttle response is exactly how you put it but as a result the power dies down a bit after 6500rpm. Without ASD the sound stage develops throughout the revs and it’s just beautiful to listen to. IMHO even best with the EFFICIENT mode as the flap is closed and titanium exhaust (which is stock) produces true straight six symphony w/o any baritone accompaniment. With the fakery turned off (or disconnected in the trunk) revving over 6k is pure joy especially on partial throttle. The DKG is the best in the CS. The shifts are any way you want them: crisp, super fast, mellow or abrupt with a punch. IME better than any PDK before MY17. Even gear ratios are old skool (and unlike PDK) with great connecting points: 3rd revving to 100mph - it’s how it should be. S55 farting in SPORT PLUS mode is absent after 3500 rpm so it doesn’t get in the way when leaning on and off the throttle mid corner and the intense bang on the overrun (above 5.5k from 80% throttle) is truly savage. It’s a blast this car. (PS: ACP/AA must had been retrofitted to this particular car).
Is the confidence in the warm and dry really just down to the Cup tyres? I bet it gets quite bad in the wet or cold with that rubber. So most people who need their car every day will put Sports on there and then back to square one?
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts after driving this M4 CS and an F8x M3/4 Competition. I bought an M4 Competition last year and was varying back and forth between M4 Comp and M4 CS. Ultimately didn't feel like I was getting enough for price differential (~ $10k USD) to get the CS, and I didn't like losing some of the practicality as I use the car frequently, although it's not my daily driver. I feel like the M3/4 Competition really is the "Goldilocks" car of the range. Power delivery is much better than the non-Comp F8x cars I've driven, and the whole thing feels much more hooked up, especially in the rear. I've really enjoyed my time with mine.
I do think the M-Cars of the '10s will be remembered as some of BMW's all time greats. They look good (I do agree with James that these were the last really good looking 3/4-Series), are fast but not too fast for daily use and hadn't got too heavy and tech-y inside. I always think the engines are very stereo-typical 'Germanic'; bloody powerful and demanding of respect as a performance engine, but has no idea what 'soulful' means.
I am not any super racing driver but just brand lover and owned almost every M car since M3 E46 (2004) and M4 has been one of the worst M cars in line up. M4 CS is much much better regular M4 but nowhere near to call it brilliant M car. Agree with marketing department at Bmw because they are able to destroy anything in eyes of customers than tell you it’s great success.
How hard would it be to bring an M4 Competition up to CS spec? I know the engine tune can be bought, but what about the suspension & steering components / calibration?
have you ever been offered to review/drive a Volvo S60 R, the original version? I'm unfortunately not in the UK so not in a position to lend it for a review, but I am curious what you think of it.
Why they got rid of that nice dual zone climate control system with the nice little screen just to save the tiniest bit of weight over the regular Competition has always been beyond me.. silly compromise
Re 21:00 I heard Porsche could not agree with Google about the "amount of information" that had to be shared with Google to have Android Auto. I think this car might sound "fruity" because BMW pipe in a little sound. I drove an M3 Comp; it had lots of noise and felt like a batmobile. When I got out, I couldn't believe I was driving the car I was looking at. For the money, these things are remarkable machines.
Isn't the M2 the TRUE successor to the M3 crown? SIZE means a lot to me, and modern cars are far too large or our UK roads! Put an E30 or E36 next to the latest M2 and M4 and I'd defy anyone to not see my point! The M3 is larger than my old E28 M535i!
The exact same output as a G87 M2. How does it compare? FWIW, my neighbour has a CS with ceramic brakes, and I have a G87. I lusted after his car for years 😂
I think the CS is how BMW should make their M cars from factory. The video claims the marketing department let it down, but more like the marketing department ruined the M division. I know the Cs' drive well, but if you can make a better car from the start, why not just do it. The worse are the competition variants. Why pay more for a car with stripped back seats? You can do it yourself for free. To me my admiration for BMWs stops with the bangle era. Just because they threw everything they had on their cars back then. The 1M coupe is a prime example of this. Magnificent car. The modern things, always try to force you to upgrade to a more expensive version to get the old feel of driving a proper BMW. It means BMW makes a lot of cash, but then it forces BMW to focus more on gimmicks and luxury to move the lower variant models then they get big and heavy, it doesn't attract their traditional customers. Just more superficial customers who buy the badge. BMW sees this, they water down the lower variants to reduce production costs, put in more gimmicks, cars get heavier, increase prices to milk their new superficial customers. Because the older fan still wants the driving experience, they have to buy an M car to get it. But the M car isn't quite refined like those of old plus everybody and their dog has one, so you get the CS or competition to stand out and get the ultimate driving experience. This means a lot of BMW fans are outpriced or go shopping elsewhere for better value. It's great marketing from BMW to upsell people on their M products. But it's hard to justify, when brands like Alfa Romeo, CT blackwing and genesis can deliver excellent driving experience in their base variants or even better than what the CS offers in Alfa's case. I'll stop before I write a book. This is a great car, for the BMW fanboy who doesn't want to buy anything else. For anyone else, there are much much better cars out there for slightly more or less
I have tried the new M3 G80 and I have to say I really enjoy it. It's a complete package. However, this is because in Indonesia we don't get the Alfa Romeo Giulia Cloverleaf. If that car is sold here, I'd abandon the G80 M3 in a heartbeat. The last M car that I would genuinely go head over heels is the 1M.
It’s too bad modern BMWs are reliability dumpster fires. Built for owner 1’s lease period, Beemers become expensive and broken swiftly after. And depreciate accordingly. No thanks.
So lets get this right: for the price of one of these new, you could have had a new Giulia Quadrifoglio and hot hatch. For the price of the GTS version (still less powerful) you could have had two Quadrifoglios - one to put in a glass cage and build a house around and admire, and one to drive................
I mean BMW’s marketing department has been a failure time immemorial or close to. They fail to advertise and inform the public of what their products are really for, and (of recent) they also fail to inform their product development team on what the ones that actually care want to buy.
As a 991.2 Turbo owner and the owner of numerous BMW M variants, I gotta call you out on your claim at 15:43… you’ve lost your mind if the M4 engine is better than the 991.1 Turbo S! Come on man! 🤬😱
So, if a BMW 4 series is a 3 series coupe, how does it work for an Audi A5? The A4 is the 4 door sedan, and the A5 is a coupe, except that there is also a 4 door liftback (slopey back sedan) A5.
i love the now "old" BMWs, BMW has lost the plot. For me it started with the beaver tooth grill, and the get lost in a crazy maze when they made the XM as a celebration "sporty" car and from there on it just got worse.
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BMW soon - "Lets make it all electric, at 3000kg for the baseprice of $200k, and the interior should just be a 30" wide touchscreen"
Worryingly accurate.
Such a lazy trend.
@@eagle_and_the_dragonbesides a small screen for apple car play, Waze and maps
What more do you need from a massive screen ?
Just don’t get this trend with car makers festooning cars with screens
ugh... just ugh
i love the now "old" BMWs, BMW has lost the plot. For me it started with the beaver tooth grill, and the get lost in a crazy maze when they made the XM as a celebration "sporty" car and from there on it just got worse.
This is retarded. Especially the electric part. Majority of the lineup has engines with electric/hybrid variants. They have no choice but to go this route but at least they gave you a choice.
This is such a lazy take on BMW. 🤦🏿♂️
You can flash all the CS/GTS software onto any F80. It's even better because you get to pick and choose your favorite versions. There isn't much in terms of actual hardware that changes between the Comp and CS. Take a comp, flash the GTS steering and CS diff/MDM/DCT and you are good to go. Add some camber plates and some monoballs on the front thrust arms and it's even better. Take that extra money you saved and throw it into some nice coilovers or extra track wheels/tires. It's a great chassis that just needs a few choice changes to turn it into a real weapon. And its reliable!
@@cptclutch2530 лутче приобрести КС и поставить в него нормальные дверные карты с музыкой Харман кардон это дешевле чем из компетишена сделать кс
I'm screenshotting this comment as if I would ever be able to afford any of those 😂. Nice tidbit, I didn't know that.
With M showing up essentially EVERYWHERE on multiple BMW’s, deserving and not deserving of the moniker, “CS” is now the new “M.”
7:28 "I consider the early M4s to be the Mos Eisley cantina of cars" 🤣🤣🤣
Out of all of the M4s to come out, this one always appealed to me. It's looks are sharp and refined. As you say, years of ironing out the issues with the initial release resulted in the pinicale for this generation.
Well worth the money if you can afford it.
I prefer the M3 CS but I love all CS brands, my favorite being the M5 varient. James I'd love to see a video on your top 10 all time bmw's. That would be really entertaining
This is a great idea...would definitely be entertaining!
@@pilotwjf yes it would. I think bmw is on most people's top affordable brands.
@@Brozay401 E21 , will be a rare find I would think .
@@garyhockaday8022 the E21 is a definite classic. I rmba the 325i. Drove as smooth as treacle with a lovely engine note.
@@Brozay401 with all due respect m8 I think you mean the e30 325 . The e21 came as a 323 i straight six . Maybe a bit before your time . If I’m wrong please correct me … have a good one …
I’ve got a normal m4 pre competition 2015 model. Shakir Orange in immaculate condition. I stare at it from my front room window , I stare at it from my office window and walk backwards after parking it. Love it.
Classic topic
I’ve got an M4 Comp and today on a straight dry road, it wheel spun at 50mph in third gear. They really are a handful to put traction down without sticky rubber.
This has happend in my 640D Gran Coupe, I think it had something to do with the Run Flats, I changed over to Normal tyres.....Difference is Night and Day (Comfort & handling wise)
@@Harmlessss mines on Dunlop Sport Maxx which aren’t the best, hopefully addressed next week when she has a set of Michelin PS4S fitted
@@DeanoEV135will transform it. Great tires. Ran my F80 M3 Comp on them for 3 years.
On the torque delivery spoken about at 8:00, everytime it rains where I'm from we hold a funeral for an M4 that's in a ditch
Great review - I’ve made the CS and GTS calibration codes to engine, gearbox and diff with fresh PS4S and it has made a world of difference to my f80 m3 Comp.
@shaheenevans hi. I'm a bit of a noob with this stuff so could you expand on what you mean please? Thanks!
I was lucky enough to go from a slightly tuned RS3 to an M4 CS a couple of years ago. Although the Audi was more comfortable and had more in terms of creature comforts I smile WAY more in the CS. Every time I drive it I have a huge smile on my face.
a very smart looking car front to back. always excited when i see them on the road, and i'd really love to own one myself. the (really) new ones have lost their appeal to me, though, especially with those hideous grills on most models. the previous models looked as modern and stylish as they could ever need. now everything is over the top or plain shite design-wise.
Yup, the features car is the last 3/4 series you could look at without feeling a bit disturbed.
Also I don't understand the criticism about the steering and differential. It's heavily under tired, put 275's front and 305 rears. Have it tuned engine and transmission, it did ten fantastic laps on the Nürburgring. Not only that, it went from Stockholm to Nürburgring and back.
Come on 305 on the rears ? 295 max
@@jordzta I have a difficult time understanding your comment. What do you mean? Do you mean I don't have 305's in the rear?
I don’t think 265/285 with Cup 2s no less qualifies as under tired. Sure 275/305 would be better but not by that much
@@yaboiyosef7640 285 is definitely under tired. I had major traction issues but I'm tuned on ethanol mix.
Widest you can fit is 305 front and 315 rears on 18" and a custom alignment. I daily mine and my next setup will be AR-1's. Have 9,5x19 25 offset 275/35r19 front and 10,5x19 35 offset and 305/35r19 rears. But I'm also considering cup 2's because they come in 305/35r19 and tripple 8. AR-1's and AD09 don't.
@@Salpeteroxid i think hes saying they wont fit
I owned an M4 CS. Brought it used with 3k miles and was a year old. Absolute bargain and it was the best car I’ve owned. I’ve absolutely loved it. Great video mate.
Edit: I am 100 percent certain this was my old CS. Did Gareth get this from Cotswold BMW? Good to see it’s being enjoyed, driven and looked after. 👍🏻
It looks crash repaired at the rear, did you see those huge gaps?
I did indeed get it from Cotswold BMW. Wanted one with a BMW warranty and a clean bill of health. Not sure about the crash damaged point but bmw insisted all was legit with the car as did Car Vertical although I know that's not a 100% guarantee. The car is sweet and very well looked after.
I would always say the M4 is better looking than the M3, but in CS form, I am with James and would go for the M3. BUT these appear to be closer to £50k so maybe an M4. I was always thinking that my next car would be the Alfa Guilia Quadrifoglio, but this makes it an interesting choice. Which is better? Would love to see a comparison of the two of them.
@@garethjackson6139 It could just be the stoppers for the boot arent' aligned correctly, all in all, it's a beautiful motor.
@@CaneBTC thankyou sir.
God you discussing the intro and launch of the M4 made me feel weirdly nostalgic, and then i remembered it was a whole decade ago...
I had a 1997 E 36 M3 new.Incredible steering and braking.
Heavy clutch!!! Then bought a 1987 635 Csi. Heaven! Please find a 635 and review. Possibly the prettiest thing in history, and I miss it so much (am now late middle aged with dogs and a have a C1997 4.3 Merc wagon)
My 15 yo daughter who is very unimpressed by cars, actually like a month ago told me at the parking lot "Dad, that car looks really cool" and she pointed at a old 80is BMW 6-series :)
@@AndrewTSq She has great taste.
I'm so old I remember when BMW's had round taillights and weighed right at 2000lb,(right at 907 kilos), and were great fun to thrash around on the narrow, twisty mountain roads n Vermont,(USA). Owned a couple 2002's and a 1600 which I'd love to have again but those that aren't rusted bring quite a lot of $, as do these newer ones. I'll have to be content with my 987.1 Cayman 5spd which is a blast on the narrow, twisty back roads here near the river so unlike most of Texas there's actually a lot of elevation changes. The bonus is that LEO don't monitor these roads much.
You can praise the E46 for the na engine, looks and retro feel. You can praise the E92 for sound, looks and steering but once you're behind the wheel, an M2 comp, M3 or M4 is a much better car to give you that performance, scares you, has a want to kill you feeling and still looks the bomb. The S55 doesn't sound great but it still sounds like a straight 6- the bread and butter for the M division.
I've had 4 BMW's, started in a 330i e90, then a diesel, last one was a 530d F11 and after that one I really wanted a F80. Test drove one and I wasn't impressed with the power, the car dealership also had a W205 C63s and after a testdrive I was impressed, with stock power that car has so much torque and even on a dry road you have to be carefull or it will kill you.
Adaptive suspension was standard in the UK across all M3/M4 cars
I swapped my Ftype R for an M4CS and very happy with it
James I remember seeing your review of the M3cs when it came out & really wished you have had driven it in the dry with the cup’s! PS4s for winter, cup2’s for summer that’s what I have always done. I bought my first M3cs new after it was on sale with a healthy discount. After 5 years of hard ownership covering 27000 miles and various trips to Scotland, Spa, Bilsterberg and many circuits around the uk as my backup car, I found myself stuck in a rut as a capable replacement just couldn’t be found. So I bought another 1! I was lucky enough to find a time capsule with 300 miles on the clock (now 1200) and will no doubt follow the same pattern. These cars need a little dialing in to reach their full potential, a small map tweak, equal length decat pipe and adjusted camber settings make for an amazing A & B road bandit that glides over the bumps & eats up miles to the shops & wherever with confidence. Looking at the numbers, Munich made a great deal less M3cs than the M4cs & therefore more likely to reach unicorn status in years to come.
These cars are real gems and despite the eye watering sticker price when new they are worth every penny. Smitten.
Great, been looking for a replacement for my 88 E30. Most every video you make I think yah that's the one! Thanks for giving us very interesting cars that few bring for the enthusiast. Will she love me or love me not. Back to the drawing board .
The twin turbo inline 6 in the F82 is a beast, the dct is amazing. One of the all time great daily sports cars! Properly sorted car.
Haven’t owned 3 F82 M4s, the CS was the only trim I liked, the suspension and comfort were finally tuned properly and it felt proper, ultimately the lack of comfort access doors was my biggest issue with it.
UK roads are just not constructed for these cars . Great car ….
@@garyhockaday8022 UK roads are gonna be perfect for camels.
I like the buzzy 6 cylinder engine note, in preference to the often over egged, V8 warble everyone else seems to crave, I just think it makes an elegant sports car like an aston sound like an oily American lorry.
I like a straight six sound too , just not this particular engine .
Not a pleasant sound at all , the b58 sounds far better.
The f8X CS cars came with my favourite bmw wheels ever, love the 763m’s
Spot on J. Had the M4 comp after an E92 V8 M3 and the M4 was a step up in comparison despite a deficit in the sound department.
I'm now on the G series M2 which is so similar to the M4 comp it feels like the same car in a smaller wrapper. Love it, excellent review.
0:24 not surprised at all, there's a model for everyone for every situation. Even I have found my self literally filming my 6th review a few days ago
Those BMW spec Cup 2’s are fantastic and contribute greatly to the CS’s improved feel over the base M3
Totally agree! Had one from new at £70k, discounted by dealer , best purchase ever, daily’ed it through the winter on cup 2s which show how well sorted it was. Sold it for a GT4 but that wasn’t as useable in reality 😂
That intro will never not haunt me in my deepest darkest nightmare.
Crank hub, no traction, rattly interior, bad ride quality without the adaptive shocks. The g series made a lot of improvements
Power delivery in the F8X is awesome though. Truly a special car but not without its quirks
I think this generations m3/m4 were genuinely BMW's masterpieces of the 2010's. The looks, performance, sound, usability and great interior just was perfect. The literal definition of what BMW is suppose to be, a practical car that could be used everyday for shopping or transporting passengers while also having the ability to be a great sports car.
You’re wrong. All m4 cs models come with the carbon fiber driveshaft. And the red m buttons are a modification not original.
I own this car in Lime Rock Grey. Love every minute of it.
10:27 Jay, 'recalibrating' means changing the suspension setup. Hence it's a different suspension setup.
It's not an adjustable suspension so they couldn't just 'recalibrate' or change the settings of the Competition. With such (non-adjustable) suspension components they had to order new components with the desired spec from their suppliers. So it's not the same suspension as in the Competition.
Besides, as far as I know an essential part of how amazing the CS is, and how different it is to the previous F8X M3s & M4s, is the new bushings.
I've driven the M4 Competition and M3 CS (on road and on track) and they are incredibly different in their nature. They handle very differently and feel very different.
According to the parts catalogue, the springs are unique to the CS, but everything else (EDC dampers, ARBs, suspension arms, knuckles etc) are shared between the CS and the regular M4. Perhaps there's a difference in geometry between the two that explains the different feel?
Different springs can mean a lot, then the dampers can have different control software. And as I mentioned the bushings might be different? Well, IIRC the rear subframe is bolted directly on, but the rest of the bushings...
Great video as ever Sir, love the Star Wars geekage😉
I've got a 2017 OG F87 M2..
Amazing little cars.
Top content. I have owned a e92 M3, F82 M4 Comp, and now a F82 M4cs and have tracked all of them extensively at COTA. Toyed with upgrading, but honestly nothing makes sense when all the cards are on the table. New M3/4? Not worth the extra money for what you get. Porsche, lacks the practicality. Merc, nothing in the range that is exciting, other than AMG GT, but then no practicality. Same for Audi, there is a reason you do not see them on track much aside from the R8. For todays money, nothing comes close.
I’ve just driven an E90 M3, and I thought it sounded fantastic. However, the shift points felt numb, steering not as direct as advertised and the power is waaaay less than you think. The car isn’t just slow compared to now, it’s slow for the day. The C63 is a better sounding engine and feels way faster. With that said, the F80 begins to become more attractive. I think I’m going to consider buying this CS version now.
Great review thank you ! FYI no M4 (nor M3) CS are fitted with OPF, these are the last models to come out the factory without them. Which also means it’s still got the carbon driveshaft. Only point is would disagree on is the door cards. Understand your point but that’s part of what makes it feel more special, and you get used to it ! Although i would have appreciated if they actually fitted a speaker grill since the speaker is still working behind that door card !
I agree, some reviewers would say the doorcards are a turn off, but its part of what makes the car special and sets it apart from any CS clone. I bought my M4 CS over an M3 CS just for the doors as that was one of the main selling points.
@@SimTrixSon haha was the same thing for me !!
“Mr Kubica, this is M4, not F1!”
The CS has always been the pick. Even more so now that it has become more accessible!
The only way to make the exhaust sound better is a big single exhaust. When you merge after the twin downpioes, it actually sounds more like a straight 6 should, cleaner and more sophisticated.
Great review James ! Love these also will start to really go up in money soon.
15:43 that's a huge claim. I really don't see how this can beat a Porsche engine. Do you mind elaborating on more details how it is so?
Wall of torque. The 911 Turbo engines are great but uncharismatic they don't rev all that high and make torque everywhere. They don't sound that good without exhaust. I'm a Porsche fanboy but I understand what he is saying. You don't work for anything in a 911 turbo.
I think that CS will have OPF filters. The 2018 comps (pre OPF) sound good, and I think represent the best buy at the moment. I’m saying that as a previous C63 and B58 owner. Would be good to hear your feelings on the >2018 comp.
I think these have become more interesting considering the state of most new cars.
Great car as I understand it all CS were built before OPF . As for the carbon prop think they had issues with reliability and cost . 👍
PS I now hate you for your clip on Astons, cos I now have to buy one.
All the CS’s have carbon prop and don’t have the OPF/GPF’s…
I’ve had a M4CS for nearly 2 years and coming from many M’s and a 991.1 I really don’t know what I’d buy next..!
If I’m going regular M power, I would just go M3, capable taking kids and wife and won’t get much of complaining, if considering about CS model I would surely goes M4, looks better, more hard core, and coupe tells people, hey I’m enjoying this!
James you’re spot on! I know, lap times between standard Ms and their CS counterparts are not that far off, but the confidence you have in the car is night and day difference.
With the standard M2 I always felt a bit lost mid-corner, due to steering, suspension and seats. But the M2 CS is made to attack roads and give you so much precision and confidence. It just wants to turn more and more and more.
What’s with the front grille on the new ones? This one looks 👌
Would you get this or an Alfa Romeo Giulia QV?
Review X5M competition please jay ❤
You need to do a review of a 330ci clubsport
Have a low mileage 2018 M4 Comp in Silverstone Blue with a full spec inc adaptive susp.. plus I had all the steering / suspension / gb box software updated to latest GTS /CS spec ( big difference ) ... best BMW I have had since my M5 e39 just wicked
What rubber you got on? My 2019 M4C is a right handful wet or dry, not owned long so suspect it’s down to lack of decent tyres ie PS4S.
@@DeanoEV135 also had the crank hub done for peace of mind's sake
@@DeanoEV13520" Mich Sport 4s's all around to bmw oem spec.. decent prices from. Camskils
Great video, I missed a detailed discussion about the dramatic weight increase even of M labelled BMW cars. They could be good if they would weight at least 150kg less like some competitors
What competitors might that be for example, If I may ask? Havent really heard of it personally so far.
@@GoldenCroc Hello, BMW M4 (G84) 440ps, >~1750kg (EU), as an example in similar price, target range: Porsche Cayman GTS (400ps) ~1495kg. Not a Porsche fan, but the weight of M2, M3 and M4 is high in comparison to Cayman, I would even include maybe Alpine A110, similar price range and a bit track focused, at least what the marketing stuff of these three companies are telling us.
@@klaus6458 I see. I personally dont see any of those as competitors at all, so the weight comment doesnt appy for me.
For me, the only true competitors are Mercedes, Audi, Alfa Romeo and Cadillac and perhaps some more I have forgotten. All are mid size family sedan based platforms, and all weigh about as much.
The cars you mention are dedicated sportscars platforms with much less space for luggage and passengers. Hence they can weigh less, they are physically smaller in dimensions and interior space.
Well, it’s just hard to believe how good this car is. They never fitted GPF into any M3 CS though. That’s why they made only 1263 units and needed to stop production early. When compared to M4 CS, M3’s are rarer thus it’s the version to have. The car was designed to work with Cup 2 tires, and it doesn’t work as well with any other tire. More sidewall in the front (18”) helps steering feel and damping characteristic and together with lighter bonnet (carbon fibre plastic with an additional central vent) eradicate understeer completely. The car was designed to work best in SPORT suspension setting as there is a massive difference in lateral body control and much more compliance at speeds above 70 mph on backroads. CS’s Power curve is very reminiscent to a NA engine thus the driveability is just sublime. When tires are up to 25°C and above there are NO traction issues at all ! (dry). Throttle response is exactly how you put it but as a result the power dies down a bit after 6500rpm. Without ASD the sound stage develops throughout the revs and it’s just beautiful to listen to. IMHO even best with the EFFICIENT mode as the flap is closed and titanium exhaust (which is stock) produces true straight six symphony w/o any baritone accompaniment. With the fakery turned off (or disconnected in the trunk) revving over 6k is pure joy especially on partial throttle. The DKG is the best in the CS. The shifts are any way you want them: crisp, super fast, mellow or abrupt with a punch. IME better than any PDK before MY17. Even gear ratios are old skool (and unlike PDK) with great connecting points: 3rd revving to 100mph - it’s how it should be. S55 farting in SPORT PLUS mode is absent after 3500 rpm so it doesn’t get in the way when leaning on and off the throttle mid corner and the intense bang on the overrun (above 5.5k from 80% throttle) is truly savage. It’s a blast this car. (PS: ACP/AA must had been retrofitted to this particular car).
Check engine light on because you washed clockwise and not anti clockwise last time you polished it
No no it's nice but it wouldn't get me out of my 2008 Elantra with 274,926 miles up her skirt
Is the confidence in the warm and dry really just down to the Cup tyres? I bet it gets quite bad in the wet or cold with that rubber. So most people who need their car every day will put Sports on there and then back to square one?
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts after driving this M4 CS and an F8x M3/4 Competition. I bought an M4 Competition last year and was varying back and forth between M4 Comp and M4 CS. Ultimately didn't feel like I was getting enough for price differential (~ $10k USD) to get the CS, and I didn't like losing some of the practicality as I use the car frequently, although it's not my daily driver.
I feel like the M3/4 Competition really is the "Goldilocks" car of the range. Power delivery is much better than the non-Comp F8x cars I've driven, and the whole thing feels much more hooked up, especially in the rear. I've really enjoyed my time with mine.
What practicality would you have lost?
Would be cool to hear your thoughts on the newer m440i G26 BMW.
I do think the M-Cars of the '10s will be remembered as some of BMW's all time greats. They look good (I do agree with James that these were the last really good looking 3/4-Series), are fast but not too fast for daily use and hadn't got too heavy and tech-y inside.
I always think the engines are very stereo-typical 'Germanic'; bloody powerful and demanding of respect as a performance engine, but has no idea what 'soulful' means.
In Australia Apple carplay and Android auto didn't come as standard. That must have been coded in later
I still think the regular f series m4 with a duck tail spoiler in baby blue is the best looking non super car that you can buy (albeit used now)
Most 2018 Gt3RS ads I've seen in Germany are without opf. So i always thought it's 2019 and older
The M3 version of this might be peak modern M.
(And I say this as G80 CS owner)
Ha ha h. That intro deserves a like haha. Brilliant
I am not any super racing driver but just brand lover and owned almost every M car since M3 E46 (2004) and M4 has been one of the worst M cars in line up. M4 CS is much much better regular M4 but nowhere near to call it brilliant M car. Agree with marketing department at Bmw because they are able to destroy anything in eyes of customers than tell you it’s great success.
How hard would it be to bring an M4 Competition up to CS spec? I know the engine tune can be bought, but what about the suspension & steering components / calibration?
have you ever been offered to review/drive a Volvo S60 R, the original version? I'm unfortunately not in the UK so not in a position to lend it for a review, but I am curious what you think of it.
That intro 😂
Why they got rid of that nice dual zone climate control system with the nice little screen just to save the tiniest bit of weight over the regular Competition has always been beyond me.. silly compromise
Mostly driving Aston Martin' of late, surely?
Re 21:00 I heard Porsche could not agree with Google about the "amount of information" that had to be shared with Google to have Android Auto.
I think this car might sound "fruity" because BMW pipe in a little sound. I drove an M3 Comp; it had lots of noise and felt like a batmobile. When I got out, I couldn't believe I was driving the car I was looking at. For the money, these things are remarkable machines.
Isn't the M2 the TRUE successor to the M3 crown? SIZE means a lot to me, and modern cars are far too large or our UK roads! Put an E30 or E36 next to the latest M2 and M4 and I'd defy anyone to not see my point!
The M3 is larger than my old E28 M535i!
@@black8art Yes, it is.
my wife has a totally loaded 2018 m4 comp pack convertible in fashion grey and its a great car she loves it
Thumbnail looked like a Jolley Rancher
Had he pleasure of driving these a couple times on the limit, even on ice with spiked tyres. Wonderful cars, just the steering made it meh.
Is one of these comparable to the M2/M2c/cs in the handling department, wasn’t clear in the video
The exact same output as a G87 M2. How does it compare?
FWIW, my neighbour has a CS with ceramic brakes, and I have a G87. I lusted after his car for years 😂
SSSSHHH. YOU AIN'T SEEN ME RIGHT! The fast show was amazing. My favourite Jesse one was this week are'll mostly be wearing nipple-clamps.
This is it, literal perfection in car form.
If BMW wasn't such a POS nowadays this would be one of my favorite brands.
I think the CS is how BMW should make their M cars from factory. The video claims the marketing department let it down, but more like the marketing department ruined the M division. I know the Cs' drive well, but if you can make a better car from the start, why not just do it. The worse are the competition variants. Why pay more for a car with stripped back seats? You can do it yourself for free. To me my admiration for BMWs stops with the bangle era. Just because they threw everything they had on their cars back then. The 1M coupe is a prime example of this. Magnificent car. The modern things, always try to force you to upgrade to a more expensive version to get the old feel of driving a proper BMW. It means BMW makes a lot of cash, but then it forces BMW to focus more on gimmicks and luxury to move the lower variant models then they get big and heavy, it doesn't attract their traditional customers. Just more superficial customers who buy the badge. BMW sees this, they water down the lower variants to reduce production costs, put in more gimmicks, cars get heavier, increase prices to milk their new superficial customers. Because the older fan still wants the driving experience, they have to buy an M car to get it. But the M car isn't quite refined like those of old plus everybody and their dog has one, so you get the CS or competition to stand out and get the ultimate driving experience. This means a lot of BMW fans are outpriced or go shopping elsewhere for better value. It's great marketing from BMW to upsell people on their M products. But it's hard to justify, when brands like Alfa Romeo, CT blackwing and genesis can deliver excellent driving experience in their base variants or even better than what the CS offers in Alfa's case.
I'll stop before I write a book. This is a great car, for the BMW fanboy who doesn't want to buy anything else. For anyone else, there are much much better cars out there for slightly more or less
I have tried the new M3 G80 and I have to say I really enjoy it. It's a complete package. However, this is because in Indonesia we don't get the Alfa Romeo Giulia Cloverleaf. If that car is sold here, I'd abandon the G80 M3 in a heartbeat. The last M car that I would genuinely go head over heels is the 1M.
It’s too bad modern BMWs are reliability dumpster fires.
Built for owner 1’s lease period, Beemers become expensive and broken swiftly after. And depreciate accordingly. No thanks.
Too many variations, it’s crazy to keep track of
So lets get this right: for the price of one of these new, you could have had a new Giulia Quadrifoglio and hot hatch. For the price of the GTS version (still less powerful) you could have had two Quadrifoglios - one to put in a glass cage and build a house around and admire, and one to drive................
My dream car, i wish i could afford it 💙
I mean BMW’s marketing department has been a failure time immemorial or close to. They fail to advertise and inform the public of what their products are really for, and (of recent) they also fail to inform their product development team on what the ones that actually care want to buy.
It’s the red starter button = new muffled exhaust
As a 991.2 Turbo owner and the owner of numerous BMW M variants, I gotta call you out on your claim at 15:43… you’ve lost your mind if the M4 engine is better than the 991.1 Turbo S! Come on man! 🤬😱
So, if a BMW 4 series is a 3 series coupe, how does it work for an Audi A5? The A4 is the 4 door sedan, and the A5 is a coupe, except that there is also a 4 door liftback (slopey back sedan) A5.
BMW got the same. "Gran coupe"
Can you really find an F80/F82 for 20-25k bp in the uk?? In the US it's almost double that after conversion lol
For the competition with decent miles and history, more like 30k. Still cheap all considered.
i love the now "old" BMWs, BMW has lost the plot. For me it started with the beaver tooth grill, and the get lost in a crazy maze when they made the XM as a celebration "sporty" car and from there on it just got worse.
Does the CS in BMW stand for Challenge Stradale?
always thought it was Club Sport
Wonder why BMW didn't do an M4 Gran Coupe
TY J🙏🙏