SIGMAR BLESS THIS DOUBLE HELLBLASTER VOLLYGUN BUILD | Empire vs Norsca - Tournament Highlight
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There is just something magical about the echoing sound of artillery blasting all manner of monsters barbarians and demons!
So anyways, Sigmar started blasting.
Honestly I wish those blasters were even louder than they are right now.
Found the dawi
Hellblasters are soo cool... That I cry everytime all 4 models shoot at that same guy in the corner of the enemy formation.
Lol!
@candyman Chaos Dwarves are pretty heavy on the artillery front, it'd make sense to time an artillery balancing patch with their DLC. That's my hope anyways.
Yep every artillery seems to be doing this, even tzeentch flamers
CA Adressed this already it is intentional. Overall it Deals More dps than a focus in the middle of a Formation.
At least Thats what CA Said
@@yaass9180 Which is total bs. It might be true about some machups, but usually they end up wasting many shots on overkilling already dead units. There should be two fire modes, one to do more overall health damage to a unit by spreading shots out, one by trying to kill models which seems to be the aim of current targeting, that should be togglable. I always do a lot more damage with for instance eagleclaw catauplts by targeting ground than by targeting units with their scattershots.
Fricken epic game. Was so stoked to see the Empire in the tourney. Wish there was a Bret game too
I'd really like to see more Brettonia coverage. I'm not a huge fan of playing as them (my micro is abysmal) but watching high level players use them is quite fun
@@benjaminhopsicker6589 They're not in such a good state right now, considering that they haven't really received any stat buffs across the roster like say the Vampire Counts did. Hell even empire knights are now faster than all of the Bretonnian knights. Bretonnia did just get massively powercreeped.
What a treat coming back from a long day of work to see an Empire game! After so many dark days of VC, nurgle, slannesh, and other foul heretics we get blessed by gunpowder and Sigmar. Was a great game to watch
Seeing this one live and I knew it would end up as a video sooner rather than later. It was such a beautiful game.
This is always how I imagine Hellstorm Rocket Batteries performing. Then I get into campaign, and they barely touch the chaos warriors charging straight for my state troopers.
The sunmaker does much more damage than regular batteries
Strange whenever I play the Empire, Hellblasters are one of the most well performing units.
@@minhnguyen5888 yes, they are also incredibly stronk in Autoresolve.
But he said Hellstorms, not Hellblasters ;)
@@IIIJG52 oh yeah my bad, hellstorm even perform better though :v, 2 hellblaster for large, 6 hellstorm for infantry, 6 handgunners, 6 lord and heroes to tank
Well maybe your state troopers should ticket the chaos warriors for speeding then.
There are songs of old, that say there is a scary monster named Steam Tank that will one day show the META how its done.
happy birthday!!
i think duration change is great. a lot of the meta in land battles is centered around the idea that early fights must be good trades or you will face consequences for that later, and people could ignore a lot of the concepts based on that in domination. imo keeps the best parts of domination and gets rid of the worst
turin...you sound...different...
Feel so lore accurate to have the empire drop an artillery steel chair on the cavemen.
Awesome to see empire powder getting it done in domination, i do think if the norscan player had spread his army wide instead of checkerboarding forward and looked to envelope the empire then he could have got a triple cap and pressured the empire lines at the same time, and wouldn't have taken as much damage from the sunmaker. all it would take would be a couple of beserkers and the mammoth making it to the front together and the empire would have capitulated quickly. Obviously V easy with hindsight but i think that is the play here.
I feel like empire has too many summoning options to counter that.
You can summon empire knights to block and pistoliers to shoot at bersekers.
And in the meantime the artillery can tear the push to shreds
I’m really glad that you’re sticking with Domination Turin. To me it’s a much more enjoyable and balanced game mode to watch
Same here! At first I was skeptical about domination mode and didn't really enjoy watching it. But after these few months and watching more streams has totally won me over!! Keep up the great work Turin! And happy birthday!😆
i think they missed the mark making it 3 points to hold. they just needed 1 so that people couldn't corner camp anymore and 1 reinforce point to be able to adjust against cheese builds. they made this tactical battle game too much into an rts without importing all the other rts elements that make it cohesive.
Huh? To me these games seem terrible to watch and it's mainly down to the maps containing chokepoints and capture points placed near the edge of the map. What about this game with the empire setting up it's arty and norcsa having to attack head on seems enjoyable to you?
@@GodwinCarpenter makes each map different for each faction match up. Also most people would favor norsca but here you see a different take on it. Variety really
@@GodwinCarpenter each map favours different matchups, more so than the typical land battle map. This leads to different units being viable on different maps breaking the stale meta up more. But yes, this particular map is rather ranged focused.
yes this was a great thing to see in the new patch, only behind seeing the return of the blood dragon vampire lord
i love when artillary works well :D its sooo fun to watch ^^
I'm really enjoying the domination changes this patch. The pacing works well and it's more fun to watch.
Domination actually looks like something id want to play now.
Just read 'Wulfrick' the book and 'Palace of the Plague Lord'. Norska really should have some more units.
At the very least hunters with bows. maybe forsaken, spawn. Corrupted treeman-ish Trollblood would be nice too.
CA is working on Norska update. They mentioned it when they did some QoL updates for IE patch.
Liking this change to the game.
loved this game
Cave man comment had me dying brilliant 👏
Absolutely chad artillery play. Awesome game
As a coast main, I love this build.
Turino so excited about Wulfric but I remember the thumbnail and read the title: You're excited for the Empire, right?
that was spicy
Loving these changes to domination.
So much more interesting than land battles and so much harder to cheese.
Whoa! Wait now. What? This is my first video watched of the Domination change. I was looking at the point total and wondering what the heck Turin was talking about. LOL I'm going to have to find an explanation of the change.
It's just the limit got changed 5000 - > 1500 and tickets per second (per objective) 5 - > 1
This overall just means the games are 50% longer, favouring value trading more
VOLLYGUN is how i shall call it onward
This wasn't a battle. It was a slaughter.
By Sigmar, Balthasar Gelt’s latest gunpowder formula is paying dividends!
It was over after the first few volleys. Only way i could see Norsca winning here, is if they kept the majority of their infantry hidden in the forest and tried sneaking some hounds in the back line right off the bat
May Sigmar bless our bullets to smite the foul chaos worshippers
Fun fact i Just learned that Tod means death in german. So its Boris Deathbringer.
by Sigmar, YES!
If the mammoth had just rushed the artillery it'd been so different. So weird that he parked right infront of it
Always love seeing Empire dominate haha. Great content Turin :-) I do wish you wouldn't take the Lord's name in vain though. Hope you and Lady Turin have a great weekend buddy!
BY SIGMAR YES
Using Boris as Reikland? This action does not have my consent!
Turin, I hardly see anyone using the cultist anymore, post their nerf, and I wonder why.
The chaos factions just have better tools now
we need some more land battles. so over these maps more than anything.
What should Norsca do against this Empire build?
Play side points heavily, avoid middle rush. Honestly, its not a favorable map for them in this MU, where as Norse would dominate on maps like Gully, Grove, Crossing
Try out witch hunterssss!
Norsca played pretty bad, needed to spread his infantry out more and should of saved burning head for when his front line clashed with state troops, could of routed them pretty quick then spread his units out more to try get to the arty. Or hid in the woods until he had a plan to take out the arty, skinwolves would of done well. WP by empire though was fun to watch he used his army well.
Would be miles better with Gelt. You know, for the meme.
Am I the only one that really dislikes how Norsca and WoC have units in common? I wish Norsca had their own marauders and warriors with different unit cards and everything.
well lore wise it makes sense that they are the same. only units in common are the marauders and horsemen. and the WoC ones are literally just a bunch of norscans that have left their tribes to follow (for whatever reason) the gods of chaos.
@@darchensol5112 Most WoC are not from Norsca, but from the tribes further north.
The only real way to differentiate the two factions, in my opinión, is to rework and rename norsca as "chaos barbarians" or something like that and give them the hungs and kurgan units from the lore, that way the faction is not as similar to WoC
Undead also have some units in common. It is unavoidable because of how Norsca and Vampire Coast function in the lore.
Domination is finally starting to look appealing to me. Still wish they would remove unsummoning and dead units coming back though
New patch really skewed the meta towards the value trading instead of point holding
I see what you're saying, but I actually disagree. Point holding is still incredibly important, but its not the only important factor any more. Skaven, Counts, and Lizards were very oppressive with a mix of powerful and plentiful melee infantry, and any faction that couldn't deal with that quickly essentially couldn't win in most scenarios. Now I would say its much more even, because they're not able to just park everything on the point instantly and force an unwinnable grind on you. They can't time you out any more. Now they have to take smarter engagements, and they can't mouth breath an army of nearly pure infantry any more. They have to actually draft answers, over simply forcing every faction to play their game.
Huge misplay letting the hellblaster just blast Wulfrik point blank.
Ok but empire needs still a dlc pls they surely have some more units we dont have in the game
We still need more knight orders, preferably if they weren’t Calvary. Different types of hand gunners, like a repeater regiment, engineers, landship, and empire blimp
>people actually have to fight now
>winner just parked some artillery at spawn and called it a day because you cant dive artillery any more in domination
uh huh
Seems like they overtuned the changes to domination. The objectives matter so so little now, its all just about value trading
I don't think you can draw that conclusion from this one video. The empire absolutely shat on norsca here in terms of value due to the map and their builds. Of course it's going to make value trading seem incredibly strong.
I don't really like how every game ends with a FF now. While the old domi heavily favoured one style, the games feel way too long now and after 5 mins one of the armies is basically entirely wiped out, then you just gotta sit out another 7 or so minutes.
They can leave the game like any other RTS!
Honestly the maps in domination are just awful and this is one of the worst.
It isn't the first time i see this , but finally somebody understands this game. And the game will suck on most maps , since factions which have artillery will dominate this game mode.
As long as you can spawn and shoot the enemy in the capture zone this game mode will be garbage.
this comes down to the fact that factions with artillery will dominate with impunity the capture zones. You make a mistake ..ups unsummon, ups I summon a unit from reserve to block yours , no punishment eligible .
I don't know Turin, I can't really recall melee factions ever being stronger than ranged factions for longer than a week or so. And sadly Norsca has been and always will be a bottom feeder. Most of these battles are a very predictable win for the gun line. I know there was some brief talk about how OP Slaanesh was, but I haven't seen them win a lot lately. It's rare to see melee win in these videos or tournaments, or maybe I am suffering from confirmation/selection bias.
Norsca has an amazing win rate, and will be very steady IMO
@@turinRTS Hey thanks for the reply! Maybe I sounded a bit less excited than I should have been, love your content! I guess I am putting myself in the shoes of someone who brings a centerpiece like Wulfrik or Skarbrand only to meet a cannon or some handgunners. It feels so bad 😁 I'd be well interested and I'm struggling to find it; what is your source for win rates?
The guy playing norsca really needed to just get like 2 hounds + wulfrick on the cannons and it was gg. He was occupied with empire chaff and not shutting down the gunline
@@me-memachine5272 Thanks for the reply! I've found a unit of knights or even swordsmen can effectively swat off some hounds from the artillery. Maybe flyers can do it, but even they have a long distance to travel with many ranged units in between! To be fair, the player not moving Wulfrik forward to destroy the artillery asap was excruciating to watch. "Move him!!"
@@casparvandeursen7125 Melee factions were stronger than ranged factions for the last 6 & 1/2 months of WH3's lifetime. Norsca never really has been a bottom feeder, and Slaanesh had like a 90% winrate in the summer championship. There honestly isn't a single thing in your original comment that isn't opposite of the truth. Also melee factions weren't good for killing power, but instead for literally being able to spam chaff infantry on objectives until the game was over, in their favor, despite having a ruined army and having not scratched the opponent.
I understand and sympathize that this seems to be a nerf to melee, but it was sorely needed. Even now I would say melee is preferred on most maps, and its really only maps with large barriers and chokes that favor ranged factions. For example, do you remember seeing practically any Cathay wins in all of Wh3s lifetime? Kislev had some wins but only because of bear chariots and melee ability, not because they were a strong ranged faction.
As for which side is mouthbreathing, this update actually allows the player who plays better to win. The Norscan easily would've won this if he charged Wulfrik or made literally any attempt to get into the backline of the empire, but he just didn't capitalize on the flank overload strength of Norsca. He objectively played worse, and he lost. In the last update, Norsca would have won this battle. And as everyone here is to witness, Norsca didn't deserve to win this battle because Norsca performed worse. So this battle is the perfect example of why this change was needed.
who wants to watch a replay -__- cant even live react
@turin @azeron cyborg gaming keypad seems it might give your hands (& career) some longevity