Xaryu Reacts to The Unreleased Secrets of Vanilla WoW
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Dont even give the horde a seperate raid, let them storm stormwind to get to the raid.
We still live in the era of Reddit, that would never last before getting complained about out of existence 😂
I want a raid in Un'Goro crater, where we discover a full world under earth full of Dinosaur :D
Totally agreed with no runes. Add some essential spells like Taunt for Paladin but keep it lvl 60 and add more raids and rare items, more questlines that gives you rare items, add ashbringer, add rare flowers and ores, just make it like it have the mystical soul of Vanilla, and just keep it at lvl 60. if you get the best gear possible, you have completed the game, make a new class. You can always help others out and do other fun things.
Personally I think the hyper competitive people are the ones that ruin the spirit of "classic". MMO's were sweaty but only from grinding and that didn't appeal to everyone but now that's all people want.. how about some lore quests you only do once instead of trying to make the entire game some form of repeatable content?
Well that will never change. Ever.
Lore quests only matter to a microscopic amount of the playerbase, gameplay is king and has been forever. Also any story content in the game has to compete with other mediums of rpg story telling which is just not realistic and would be a waste of dev time. Why would your already established players with no investment get into wows story instead of just playing a single player rpg where the story if the entire focus of the game and their choices actually matter. Your competing with games like dragons dogma, baldurs gate, divinity, your also competing with ff14 which is a direct comparator that was built from the ground up around story being important.
Cataclysm?
I did all the quests in both Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms - just for the lore. I didn't need or want to level alts, most of the time I was overleveled. But I wanted to do all of them - they are that good. Never felt compelled to do that before Cataclysm rewamp, btw - not even in Outlands or Northrend (well, maybe Icecrown or Storm Peaks had good enough quests, I finished all of them after dinged 80, back in original Wotlk days). And no, I never used flying at all, and purposefully unequipped Heilrooms.
let people enjoy games how they want to? i pay $15/month so i can use spreadsheets and minmax. you pay $15/month so you can play 1 hr per week and run around and do quests. its my problem what i do with my money and what i do in the game i pay for
@@serendip1tyz honestly man this is the problem with having actual conversations with people. They fixate on one thing you said.. yes I find epic quests cool and I enjoy exploring more than doing mythic plus and seeing what keystone I can get to. But I also min maxed the fuck out of wow for a super long time.. I'm not saying take those aspects away... But the "MMORPG" is not there anymore because of all the "balancing" they do to the game and convenience things.. the issue is way bigger than min maxer vs casuals if you want to play a numbers simulator that's fine.. I want a world of Warcraft
I really hope they don't take SoD to TBC either... That would absolutely kill it for me. I'm with you, take the risk and add to the base game in a meaningful way instead of trying to keep it going by piggy backing on future expansions. There are so many directions you could go without disrupting the continuity whatsoever. I really, really hope this turns into Classic + 🤞
believers rise up and tell them we want SOD
I'm surprised how nobody talks about Grim Batol. Making a raid there will be so cool.
Sooo from what I have seen from the video, ( HOT TAKE HERE) Cata was kind of a "classic plus" it just included the new zones that where from the previous expansions.
I know the classic plus everyone wants is the first game with no expansions but new things added which would be amazing and SOD has done an amazing job with it.
I think it’s so funny how everyone was dogshitting on cata before classic was announced. Now people are playing it, they realize it’s the best version of wow (other than vanilla) I don’t think it got any better than cata even in tbc and wrath. And people are realizing that lmao
@@wusleezy4343 true, cataclysm was great
Cata was good beside the bugs that plagued inital release. I think the deathwing fight was a big let down, back and claws and then the content draught following
I disagree with these takes. While I generally had fun in Cata, it totally changed the flavor of the over-world maps for me. In vanilla WoW, where Kalimdor an EK felt like a mostly coherent world mean to be explored, in Cata and after each zone became a theme park zone. Sure WoW, has always been a little "theme park"-ish in terms of game play (though its more a "sand park" MMO) but I means specifically each zone feeling like a self-contained area where you look around, do the story, then leave. Like the different between going to a county fair with random food stalls, games, and rides all over the place, versus like Disney World with its Fantasyland, Frontierland, Tomorrowland, etc. The latter is more ordered and less chaotic, but having a world which feels ordered and highly segmented isn't as exciting and immersive.
I've always though vanilla WoW zones straddled the line well between thematic and naturalistic - sure there are like snowy zones, desert zones, jungle zones, but they don't feel like you'd expect to stand in line to get on a tram to explore them. They felt lived in.
@@vinapocalypse I can agree with that, I have been playing cata since launch and I spend most of my time not seeing anyone. The up side to this is I can get most quests done a lost faster cause I am not having to wait for people or fight people for tags or pickups. Now yes I never played cata on release so I am doing quests and things I have never done. Its come to the point where I just stand in stormwind and que for dungeons, its boring in the world and I will admit I want to see the new zones. Leveling a toon up to 85 takes a while but that is apart of the game. I enjoy playing classic more that I thought I would, I got tired of the retail grind and wanted something different, I still play retail and raid/ mythic dungeons but I can go over to classic and put some music on, or a crunchyrolll and just relax. Yes the word is a much bigger place than normal classic and I got to experience that with SOD, that is the cool part is the world is smaller but it is nice to have a new zone once in a while to look forward to seeing. I am looking forward to 2 zones since I never played normal classic.
SOD has already morphed vanilla way more into retail than adding any type of ARENA would ever do.
Sod pretty much is " throw retail skills at old classes" i said it from the very start, its stupid and does not work people dont get why classic is so much better then retail, all they understand is, that classic never was finished and an mmo needs new stuff. If you dont understand classic you can neither complete vanilla nor add new content.
Still don’t want them to bring it even closer to retail by adding in a 1 for 1 arena mode? I’d rather see them make a new arena all together. New area to watch people fight/world pvp.
There are probably less than a dozen runes across all the classes that I'd want to see carry forward into a Classic+.
~For Druid keep the Automatic Crowd Pummeler (not a rune, I know), beyond that I am clueless on the class and which runes really make the game playable.
~For Hunter you could argue for making melee hunter a real thing, which would probably see you remaking the entire Survival tree throwing in stuff like Flanking Strike, Carve & Dual-Wield/Melee Spec, beyond that you could throw in Kill Command somewhere in the BM tree along with a talent to give pets that 70% avoidance so that they can actually live a raid fight. Another thing I wouldn't hate for hunter would be giving pets talent trees like in Cata instead of the training system we have in Era, which is honestly fine in itself but not great.
~For Mage while a lot of their runes are really cool I would be extremely hesitant to add any of them into a Classic+ as they are mostly instant spells or big damage long cast time spells both of which the class already had baseline, Hot Streak is fun in PvE but give us a chance in PvP y'know?
~For Paladin there are a lot of really good fun new buttons, but the only ones we truly NEED are Crusader Strike & Hand of Reckoning to make the DPS and Tank specs actually playable, Avenger's shield and the Exorcism/Holy Shock tech is fun but it's a little too Cata.
~For Priests, like with Druids I am not well versed in the class, maybe you could give Mind Sear to SPriests, but more than runes I think it'd be better to look at the Priest Racials, give Humans Fearward, put Devouring Plague on the Shadow tree, maybe make Pain and Suffering a talent but I'm really just spitballing here.
~For Rogue I know actually nothing, but despite that I will give the hot take that combo points should be attached to the rogue (or druid) instead of their target, that is such easy QoL at least for an outsider looking in, if some giga brain rogue happens to read this far feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.
~For Shaman, I play Alliance so again, no first hand knowledge, but some easy changes would be removing 2h wep training from the talents. My super hot take on Shamans though is to let Dwarves be Shamans and Undead be Paladins (before you "um actually" me there are canonical undead paladins, Holy magic hurts undead but doesn't deal them damage).
For Warlocks the big change I'm on board with is giving them the summoning closet and the Soulwell so that they can summon people and make Healthstones without needing to farm so many soul shards. The whole tanking Warlock thing in SoD is really cool but it doesn't feel very Classic to me, still things like Chaos Bolt, Summon Felguard, Master Channeler & Incinerate, assuming they were scaled properly I would not be opposed to their addition in a Classic+.
~For Warrior given how dominant they are in Classic they really feel like a completed class, the only real fix I'd look at would be buffing the Unbridled Wrath talent as currently its 5pts for a 40% chance to gain 1 rage when you deal melee damage with a weapon, iirc it mathed out to like 3 rage a minute or something? Maybe make it a guaranteed 1 rage for 1h attacks or 5 for 2h attacks, I dunno but something. Beyond that maybe some of the sword and board runes to make 1h/shield tank more of a thing? Sword and Board, Shield Mastery, Devastate, Gladiator Stance & Warbringer could all potentially be bundled into the Prot tree.
Maybe that's a bit over a dozen runes, I didn't count as I was listing them out & nobody is likely to see this comment anyway, but these are the one's I'd be willing to keep, not that we should keep them, just that I'd be open too keeping.
bump
Keep mage healing it is so fun, and shaman tank spec
classic plus wont be a thing. yall are drunk and delusional LOL
I can already imagine hundreds of level 30 undead wls stacked in the uninstanced stormwind vault behind the portal, because some leather gloves from there would sim a 1% dps gain compared to 2nd bis for fury warriors on phase 11 of sod
I am a TBC lover but i want only SOD classic, its so much of cut content!
i want missing diplomat to continue
Actually you could raid five man dungeons in Vanilla, but since it is being a raid, no one got too much xp and the difficulty is still that of a 5 man group.
My first tanking experience comes from a 15 men RFD raid, it was quite the adventure to go there as an alliance player with the guildmates.
Turtle Wow recoverd this areas and included them as Vanilla +. The way Classic should go on.
As far as world pvp, something like hyjal would be a great idea. New to Vanilla, highly contested area between Darnassus and Orgrimmar
I believe housing for Classic+ could be an interesting possibility, BUT they cannot give players too much freedom within their household.
Let’s say: You can have an instanced household (such as New World), and you can have an Armor smith (Repairs) and a Reagents Vendor within your property; but aside from those novelty and decorative things (trophies from raids, long quest chains, etc), they would have to keep it in the spirit of you HAVE to go out, interact with people to group up for PvE content, go out to battle masters for your PvP queues, and such.
Another great example is RuneScape housing. You can have prayer alters, bank chests, etc (I don’t play too much RuneScape); but mostly people go in to hang out, replenish their supply, and go back out to the world.
I think that would be wonderful.
instanced? If anything housing should be in the open world. There's literally endless space.
@@BasedHorrigan Open world housing would be an interesting concept, but I was more so referring to housing within Main Cities.
@@vazquez66 what about **player** cities
@@BasedHorrigan That in itself has potential for greatness, but it would be a huge project for them to work on.
what make you all think Classic+ even gonna be a thing?
I genuinely thought Blizzard would do something a little like Jagex did with OSRS without the community polling. Just add to vanilla and ever give players the ability to choose the updates and Classic+ could be incredible.
I'm so happy to see Madseason back making WoW content again.
What if they made an entire zone dedicated to player housing? Say 1000 buyable houses and so forth. After 1000 players layer the zone or whatever they do. And just make it worth it to travel around this player town and see each other. Then over time. Throw a storm wind looking type city around that as a shell. Imagine an entire zone/map dedicated to role-play like Moon guards goldshire.
SoD will be a good beta for Classic +. A lot of things have already been learned. Hopefully 2025 will bring an update to what they are planning for the future of Classic WoW.
did blizz ever talk or say they are planning a classic+? you all talk like its gonna be a thing. what kool aid did you drink?
I really really hope SoD devs will listen to Xaryu on what SoD should be and what should it look like!!!
love how this man reminded us all that runescape doesnt have duel arena anymore D:
Fully agree SOD should stay classic for a very long time. But since some of this does come into "outland" would be cool to see them make new raids into TBC and do the same thing for 60-70 eventually. But I wouldn't care to play unless they did really good with end game 60 era
Blizzard made a long term bad decision by releasing TBC. Every expansion just made the world smaller by cutting off the old world. It seems that the first developers had ideas to continue releasing more content to vanilla, but at some point someone changed their direction.
The problem is that all the adjustments that xar is suggesting support sod becoming its own launcher and also moving to tbc. Runes not being runes and just being spells won’t happen because it will affect the era servers. Issues like this have already been popping up. The more sod gets updated the more buggy era servers will get.
A 5v5 instanced PvP arena like the scrapped Gurubashi Catacombs might be an option in the spirit of vanilla.
On the topic of arena, id love an arena type of gameplay, but it should not be in instance, it should be in the world.
Edit: duelers guild could be awesome if you could do a party vs party duel.
SOD aside, crazy how TurtleWoW filled up some of these contents; kara crypts, caverns of time, gilneas, etc. With more contents coming up, they really defining the word Classic+. Not only contents but QoL, like consumables (protection pots, consumables buffs) persisting through death).
no one cares
Love the rfc / stockades raid
STOCKAID RAID. short of wall clipping. i am genuinely interested how he got past the gates (assuming he didnt wall clip) as i have tried to get in the other tower in SW for YEARS
They did that keeping horde vs. Alliance in SOM so everyone went alliance cause pallys are op vs. Shamans
Problem with not increasing the level cap is going to be gear progression. You already see it with warrior scaling.
Literally all they needed to do was add a new vanilla zone in vanilla client and it would have been a huge success .
absolutely agree with u, runes are kinda stupid the way they are now. just give paladin crusade strike, trash casters some kind of mana regen so they can somehow last til the end of a bossfight, remove debuff limitation and thats all the game needs
Pull up a chair young chaps... before World of Warcarft one of the big MMO's that fed WoW's original player base was Dark Age of Camelot and that had 3 factions at war where WoW only has the 2. Albion (Camelot lore), Hibernia (celtic lore), Midgard (viking lore). Each of these realms had completely different classes.. like stealthers were Infiltrators for Albion, Nightshade for Hibernia and Shadowblade for Midgard. Similar roles with different skills and everyone was cool with it.. it added to the rivalry between the factions. If you are old enough to understand "stun nuke nuke" you will know what im talking about.
And we fought over darkness falls!
I stopped playing SoD in phase 1, its not classic +. Its actually exactly what i expected them to do and didnt want them to do, introduce a bunch of random things that nobody asked for or think of as classip +.
We all got "artifacts" in legion. They did change the name 🤔
The final fantasy music was perfect for the video.
a level cap increase without new talents, would potentially mean new talent builds that you didn't have enough points for before 🤔
Make Makghoras ( duel to death) across all available versions of WoW. Let people in retail kill each other to death as well as cata classic and SoD. This would be an awesome feature
you can make arena in a specific area to queue instead staying in the city
Season of Discovery Discover a brand new type of PvP maybe like escort PvP or some new aspects
Well in Legion the weapon was called artefact weapon and not legendary and even had the colour for the artifacts items. Not the legendary orange, the artefact yellow?
I'm glad you let me know at the start you didn't know what it is. When watching a video for the first time I'd usually assume you just, through telepathy, know what the video is about.
I very highly doubt they will go the Classic plus route with SoD without making an official statement and some fresh realms, due to the fact a lot of players would be po’d lol.
why? many people assumed thats what it was from day 1. why would anyone be mad abt that
never played SOD, but did they fucking ever do anything with that gate in tanris at the bottom, with the giants lmao that could be a raid
Yeah instead of TBC you could do what happened to the people who didn’t go threw the dark portal.
If I had to return to SoD I need a way more polished gameplay then phase 3 was.. never got through those weird leveling
Dark age of Camelot had the best housing. 100000000%
Arenas in SoD with 50sec CCs would be the most stupid thing blizz would ever do.
Rogue/Mage with eternal CC, hahaha I see, I see...
Idk I never liked classic and TBC, I started to play since Wotlk until MoP.
Sure, they can add all these new zones with quests dungeons and raids but no one will touch a quest or a dungeon without a level increase because why would you? You would just hop into the newest lvl 60 raid at that moment get your bis gear and then wait for the next raid to release. Level cap increases may be necessary for people partake with the "new" zones
Aaaaand you arrive to the idea of a new expansion... Which already exists...
Ever heard of attunements?
Just make it so if there is a new raid with a new zone, make a questline that allows you to enter. Heck maybe even lock the start of the quesline behind getting to a certain rep with a new faction, making you do other quests/dalies in that area.
For new dungeons, you can just make it so they give rep aswell, throw in some gear with abit more power than previous ”max progression” dungeons. That way, if you dont raid there is still maybe some gear you want from dungeons.
This is so cool! I only 2 weeks ago showed my parents the draenor, Nagrand island with the Robin Williams genie tribute❤❤❤ Rest In Peace 🥲
This would be great with no runes, just fix a couple specs, give pally taunt, give 1 ability here or there, or tweak it just right, but the runes is way overboard is WAYYYY Outside of the "spirit of classic" that keeps getting talked about. It was a massive reason to not want to play the game for me. I'd rather see a fresh vanilla with those changes/additions as far as zones etc, than a SoD with runes changing classes entirely.
Never go to tbc or wrath. Bring some of those ideas to classic
I actually think they should increase the horde and Alli separation by giving horde death nights and Alli monks.
THIS would be sick
@@williammoore8384 you wouldn’t even have to give them the exact same spells you can take a couple spells out that would not fit in Classic
FACTS. BLIZZARD REAL FANS DO NOT CRY ABOUT HYPER BALANCE. WE WANT IMMERSION
@@heroofhyrule9778 I do want balance, and a sense of no meme specs but yes, there should be a world of choices and pros and cons with every single one of those choices
Sitting in town and waiting for ques is the spirit of Vanilla pvp. World pvp was just ganking and group ganking. You wanna do bgs you had to sit in town and que bgs.
SOD isn't classic+ though... it will end just like every seasonal game.
*ppSSHSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH* ...
damn bro that was a huge hit of copium you good?
It’s so easy to fix the ashbringer problem make it so ridiculously grind oriented and like insane to even go for that like 3 people get it total and it retains its value
People would be unhappy then.
Have you seen how much there was unhappy screaming when the Sunwell GDKP had ThoriDal dropped, which went to warrior because it was pre-reserved for flat price? Literally everyone and their mom were whining "i hate gdkp", "i hate goldbuyers", "how stupid, you have hunters in raid", and so on
Same thing will happen with Ashbringer - if it is in _very_ limited supply, then I can bet money there would be a lot of people who would want to obtain in _in spite_ of its uselessness for them. Like that one warlock who ninja's Corrupted Ashbringer - motivating it with "in cataclysm locks can transmog their demon's weapon with a glyph - so I will use it eventually"
@@Sornemus they will complain no matter what, devs need to stop pandering to the community and study the og game for direction, or weighted in game polls
SOD is my style love it
I hate SoD tbh
its too bad they killed the game with p3 tbh
They hurt it indeed, but everyday I’m on it’s a fast scrolling chat with bg groups and stv bm groups every 3 hours. Groups for all level dungeons in lfg as well so it’s not dead just tired lol!
its dogass
Sod was nice p1 afterwarfs it became as much a mess as retail is.
Always said, fixing classes with a system of retail that never worked to begin with is bad.
Watch the Tales from the past trilogy. It's awesome
twow has Hyjal Zone, Stormwind Vault lvl 60 5man Dungeon, Emerald Sanctum 40 Man Raid, Karazhan Crypts lvl 60 5 Man Dungeon, new Profession, Item balances, class balances, Transmog, no gold selling, no bots, thousands of players 24/7. Blizz is dogshit and arent able to do shit these guys are doing. there is your true classic +
Love the crossover
They should release 1v1 arena in Sod 60.
Complimentary legendary.
I miss hardcore vibes
runes just make it retail yup
Much respect to MadSeason, but fuck the Alliance.
Adding arena to vanilla is like adding arena to the garden of eden. No... fuck off, eat the shiny fruit or don't. Vanilla needs interrupt and DR timers like eden needs a talking snake.
That's why it wasn't called a Legendary, it was an Artifact.
Also the Ashbringer in Legion was one thing, but you can't really call Legendaries, "Legendaries" like you used to.
Everyone has Thunderfury, everyone has the Corrupted Ashbringer, everyone has Sulfuras, everyone has Atiesh. It's a solved game and the World of Warcraft MMORPG is already a solved genre.
How exacrly is mmorpg a solved genre? Wow started the mmorpg genre as we know it but never improved it and never mde it grow, the mmorpg genre still is from 20 yrs back nd no one ever understood it or improved it how tf is it solved?
so basically thats what Turtle Wow is doing and you can play all this even now
no one care about turtle wow... do they pay you to promote their crap?
@@phatal4573 yeah, better go pay for that sod shit 15 doll. a month, when there's better options for free lol.
SoD was a hype based game, how many ppl left SoD for Cata ? SoD was just classic retail with all the elitism.
I hope they kinda put new end game content in SoD but not too much and then just release a true Classic+ with fresh server and then they give us a full load of new endgame content with different patches just like it should be, and simply making a true classic+ also they need to make nightmare incursion daily and not spammable so people are "forced" to play more the game cause incursion is so lame but still most efficient path to lvl but yeah there is improvoment and stuff for me SoD is more like a big open Beta for classic +
I agree with no runes, its what that got me away from this, i dont want to farm that shit
An idea for player housing, it could be instanced but your house is in the same instance then 19 or more player? Make it guild specifique instance? So everyone in the same guild are in the same instance and each player can have only one house.
A dueling zone would be so cool. Especially if they could somehow add 2v2 3v3 duels if you're in a group.
agree but 5v5 zone meta for bm is kinda braindead needs to be smaller and less populated somehow
meanwhile twow players: got that way better than blizz would ever be able to do :D
Hardcore was the best, endgame should be 3 man's, not big raids, unique new endgame content suited for hardcore.
Grim Batol
if you want to keep everything level 60, what are you going to do if they make the 10th raid tier and you have 99% crit on a item due to power creep over the past 9 tiers of classic plus raids added?
Unpopular opinion here... Runes make classes feel not vanilla... Or maybe it's not that unpopular.
"everyone played sub-optimal stuff and thats what i loved" bro you have never played anything except mage thats always meta xDDDDDDDDDD
thats why he loved ppl playing bad specs kek
This is bullshit btw, I never understood why did they cut so much content out of the game and decided to release BC, when basically all of things they put in later expansions and are in the Vanilla maps, like Blood Elf start zone and Zul'Aman, Mount Hyjal, the Blackrock Mountain five man dungeons. Some part of it I do understand, because how people will press the slow fall stone in Hyjal when they are lagging even in Molten Core
Up next, "These ingredients never made it in to the big mac"
If you want classic + go and try Turtle WOW :) they put Blizzard in their pockets with the Vanilla + Custom content :) new raids new class balance new tier sets , tons of new items , new dungeons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much better than Blizard SOD trash
Runes ruined classic+
I disagree, runes are a sick system
So how to unlock these zones? Should not be getting to level 60.
in legion seeing others have the same weapon as me didnt go down with me, i thought of it as cool, epic amazing. just because one person feels a certain way does not mean everyone.
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Eso did the housing right.
Yea I kinda wish they would get rid of the runes now when lvling Alts lol
nah, we need a fuck ton more runes, less crying about balance and 'x' needs a nerf
The "spirit of classic" is not a thing nobody plays the game like they used to, people need to realize that some features that were added in later expansions were good for the game and the idea of classic plus is taking what worked and leaving out what didn't while filling those gaps with new content. Arena would 1000% work just fine in classic with how people engage with the content in the game already, lets stop pretending that a majority of people who pvped in classic did it in the open world, 95% of people sat in stormwind/ironforge and qued bgs (no different then if they were queing arena). This idea that world pvp is the only content blizzard could add to classic pvp is a terrible take considering that is the single largest reason pvp servers became so one sided in the first place people either want it perfectly fair or to have the advantage which is not realistic without excessive server population management that causes its own whole host of issues.
This might seem weird but I support arena I just really dont want versatility to be a stat
This mode is dead. I get that people want to make fan fiction about it but it just has no push behind it. Cata killed all the momentum SOD had.
WE WANT WRATH SOD
goddammit! give me a goddam group finder tool