@@IAMJRADI think he’s referring to the Toyota. Now Toyota has gotten rid of their front bump stops and moved them to the top of the school. Owners are now having the top hat of the shock busting though on the Tacomas.
@@paulm6481 No, ford has reliable and affordable vehicles. Toyota also has very reliable vehicles but they are all over priced, Almost all of their suvs and all trucks besides the SR tacoma start at 40k or higher. Thats a lot
For the halo vehicle in a midsize lineup, that's just the world we live in these days. Can save quite a bit, like $20k, going to a "regular" TRD-OR (which is still way more than most people could realistically need).
The Taco is gorgeous but the Ranger beats it in almost every other way. Grew up a Toyota fan but I hate the corporate direction Toyota has gone lately.
I remembered a few years ago that the trd pro get the factory snorkel. Sometimes Toyota doesn’t make things necessary as much. For this model, TRD PRO, I do love everything, but that seats shock absorbers are just not necessary. If we go off road, we want off-road feeling. And not to mention the back seat of the TRD pro, very very bad…
“I don’t own the truck, let’s not ruin it.” I love to hear that, because I know you have no problem really pushing your long term test vehicles. You and Doug are by far my favorite/most reliably informative auto journalist/reviewers. I enjoy videos from other channels, but I do occasionally catch myself thinking “I don’t think that’s correct” or “you should have done a bit more research before you tested the vehicle, because you’re not utilizing features.” With you, I can’t remember the last time I had to worry about that. And I appreciate that very much
Finally, a proper comparison. The Ranger Raptor is clearly better. But, because I'm a Toyota fanboy and make poor financial decisions, I'm going with the Pro. See y'all at the nearest Costco parking lot, boys.
Hope your engine don't blow up seen many blowing up, Toyota sead it will replace over 100,000 engines in Tacoma and tundra don't know if hybrid is included
Had the TRD Pro reserved since April ‘23 but I cancelled when the pricing came out and picked up a RR last month. It’s the better truck for me because I need to put human beings in the back row.😅
I'm a Toyota fan and have owned several over the years and currently have two in the stable, but I am not real pleased with the direction they have went with their powertrains in the new gens. I prefer not to have turbos, but I really have a distaste for small displacement turbos combined with a hybrid. If I did buy a Tacoma, I would not by the TRD Pro trim, but still between these two, I'd have to go with the Ranger. I think there is more utility/useability with the Ford with an equal amount of niche fun factor for which it was designed.
I’ve got a 2022 Tacoma trd off-road 4x4 and I can honestly say, if I were buying a new midsize truck, I’d take the ranger raptor hands down. Toyota isn’t what it used to be
Glad you mentioned the Toyota's part system as opposed to the Raptor's full-time 4x4 system. This means any Subaru will out-traction your bad-ass TRD Pro on icy or snowy streets. (I do wonder how torque is distributed on the Raptor. No reviewer ever explains this.)
Great video both trucks looked and performed awesome. For me I am a huge fan of brute power plus the Raptor is more affordable. Toyota and Dodge/RAM whatever both need to work on their pricing.
Drove both. Id take the taco hands down dollar for dollar unless i needed the backseat to haul passengers. If you can get a RRaptor for msrp, then its an easy decision for the Ford.
Lolol The Toyota was the clear winner. The raptor took forever to get out of the second obstacle with the wheel spin, then you had to turn BOTH lockers and gun it up the hill. The Yota just breezed through it all. Clearly the Toyota tech was better and the styling is hands down superior. Looks alone makes it worth more. The Raptor is just meh to look at…nothing special at all.
My current garage has a HE Land Cruiser and a Lexus GX, but my Toyota loyalty ends at what is actually built in Japan. I’d take that Ranger Raptor 100%.
Having driven both trucks for several hundred miles I would definitely lean toward the Ford raptor. And I agree with the comment that the rear seat is basically useless in the TRD. I’ve seen the Ranger raptor go for 52 53,000 but the TRD is just crazy stupid expensive
I am a Ford guy so I would probably choose the Raptor if I was actually buying, but truly props to Toyota and GM too. We have so many great trucks in this segment you can't go wrong really. I would take any of them and be very happy!
So true. If you can afford to play in this segment, they're all great. Differences are mostly minor for 95% of buyers. Get whichever one you think looks cool! 😄
I’m a Ford guy too, but when it comes to traversing terrains it’s all about enjoying the moment and making memories with your friends while having an adventure together.
I wanted the RR but dealerships suck now days. I ended up finding my 2019 Raptor and buying it back. Its just as i left it. Still runs and functions perfectly with no issues at 77k mi.
@@2011buddylee thanks, it’s great, already 1.3K miles on it 😅 aside from some software oddities here and there, only real complaint I have are the seats. I don’t like the plastic mold cutout they did below the headrest, it’s a little uncomfortable over time for my upper back.
I love how in the Tacoma, your unconfortable passengers in the back seat could switch around your precious expensive seat settings..just to get back at you for squishing them in there. 😂
As a former Toyota fanboy I’d have said Tacoma. End of story. But after reading countless comments, blogs, reviews and articles on the never ending Toyota reliability issues as of late, I’d wait about 5 years before I’d purchase any new Toyota. Because make no mistake, Toyota will address the issues, but it will take some time. However, I would not buy the Ford either. Ford takes the approach of let’s pay warranty claims rather than address issues. See their dual clutch powershift transmission, and all wheel drive PTU failures as proof of my claim. In this case, it appears the Nissan Frontier is the most reliable midsize truck available at this time.
Nissan Frontier is rated as least reliable mid size. So your "gut" instinct is wrong. Love how people just "know' stuff because they read a you tube comment.
@@drn13355 cite your source…love how you stopped playing video games and eating your Mallomars so you could type up your passive aggressive nonsensical rebuttal. If anything, this only proves how problematic new cars have become.
@danLTa1 my 2010 Tacoma 4x4 with the 4.0 and rock solid powertrain was worth it for 24k out the door. Since then, the reliability has plummeted and prices skyrocketed.
From the bottom of my heart I would like to thank you for doing away with the intro. I love your reviews and love the channel, but was getting tired of watching the intro of old car reviews with the cars in action. Well done, everyone!
As a former owner of an F-150 Raptor G2, there is no way I am paying more money for the TRD-Pro. I would choose the Ranger Raptor even if it cost more.
Great review! I love both trucks. But you had me at front locker. The rear seat space and lack of ability to be folded down is a big deal breaker for me.
@@flight2k5 that part time 4wd drive that you cant use everyday on the road when it actually matters. What doesnt matter is that their part time is easy to switch on
@@flight2k5I swear every truck video has some clown making a post like this. F"ck off with your sarcastic wanna be tough part time 4wd is all you need or you shouldn't be driving it bs
I bought a 2021 tundra trd pro for MSRP a $54,995. I can’t believe the Taco’s are this expensive now! However, the MSRP went from what I paid in 2021 for a tundra trd pro to $77k MSRP in 2022. No way I could ever pay that for a taco.
I am a proud owner of a RR since a couple weeks. That Truck is absolutely awesome. Some people are saying "but it's not a V8" and honestly, it doesn't need it! This Truck is perfect how it is :)
dude, i daily drive the full size raptor and it's awesome! reliability comes down to shorter frequent oil changes; it's turbo charged so it creates more heat hence oil changes needed more often. nearly 90K on mines and no issues.
I have a 23 drw f350 with custom 3.0 king coil overs that are manually adjustable.. and I have a 24 ranger raptor and I loveeeeee the steering wheel adjustability and the power is great.. I love my baby raptor
the iForce Max TRD Off-road would be a better bang for the buck vs the TRD Pro (~46k vs 65k). Same power and all. Yeah you don't get fancy shocks but you can put the price difference towards some lol I imagine the seats play into the cost a bunch, I see that becoming an option in the future vs it being standard
Not really. If you go with iForce Max TRD OR with equivalent amount of premium package (heat/ventilated seats, 360 camera, etc.), it will come around almost near 60k. Kinda sucks.
@@MountainBound17 I think I saw couple of them on Facebook Marketplace. Yes they exist but at that price may be better to go regular with premium package and enjoy the better tech.
I do truck camping so am going with the Tacoma Trailhunter. 2400 watts in the bed means (for the most part) no more dealing with fuel canisters (big built in battery+induction cooktop) and having to worry about buying ice. (will have a Lithium power station plugged in to portable dual zone fridge). Sometimes will still haul a propane tank and burner to boil crab when on the coast. 🤙🏽
With the transmission on the ranger raptor keeping you in the high might not last as long engine wear from high revs plus turbos, spooling could equate too reliability longevity in the end.
The factors that make the difference for me: I want reliability, resale value, and a truck that I think looks nice. I am getting a Trailhunter for that reason. Is it expensive? Yes. Will I have to buy a truck in the next 20 years? Maybe, probably not. If I do wanna buy a new vehicle, can I sell it for damn near what I bought it at? Yes. and quite frankly, the Ranger Raptor looks too plain Jane for me. Its big brother is obvious when you see it on the road, but I feel like the Ranger Raptor would go under the radar, which may be a plus for a lot of people. Not me.
I think you’re missing out on the reality of the new Taco. You won’t have it for 20 years, unless you want to replace the hybrid engine at great cost. Hybrids don’t last. Also, Tacos have transmissions breaking left and right on them. The Ranger is genuinely more reliable at this point and would likely last you longer. This ain’t the same as the old Taco anymore….
Resale value on anything labeled Raptor keep their value just as good if not better than a Tacoma these days. I paid $35k for my 2013 Raptor in 2019 and I can sell it right now for close to $40k. The same will be with the RR as well. Plus no stupid hybrid system that will give you problems in a few years. So, you might as well get the RR.
I noticed the better articulation on the Tacoma which added to more ground contact for traction which shows on several shots on this video and on the hill climb without needing a front locker. Also the noticeable difference in ground clearance. The Tacoma clearly has more of it even though different wheel base
Ryan, you look like you're having so much fun testing these! Thank you for a great review... I would have thought the Taco was better than the Ford, but if I was to drop 50k on a truck it would be the Ranger now.
Mid-size is the new full-sized. These are still wildly overpriced but the average tradesman is going to have to make do with Rangers, Tacos and Colorados of the world because the full-size market is ridiculously overpriced. More specific to the video, great comparison Ryan. You've been nailing these face-offs lately and I'd love to see more comparisons across all of the trucks and SUVs that you review. Toyota have absolutely nailed the looks on the TRD Pro but they need to at least offer something Raptor-like when it comes to engine varieties. You can hybridize or turbocharge or both, but a 4-cylinder is never going to excite.
I'll take the RR all day in the midsize truck segment. Probably the best overall value on the truck market right now in any weight class. Big win for Ford.
I’m impressed with both! I’ve heard so many comments about the lack of a front locker in the TRD Pro, but it doesn’t look like it needs it at all. The MTS is dialed in really well. Plus the stabilizer bar connect was very effective.
Loving these comparisons! As always, thank you so much for such thorough and interesting videos and review of specs, driving impressions on and off road and, covering strengths and shortcomings on and off road. Thanks Ryan!
I love how your 45 seconds into the video and your stateing the Toyota's ALL NEW UpGrades as your Under the truck manually adjusting the ' Adjustable Shocks ' ..LOL... FORD ALL DAY LONG !
Agree that the cost of the Taco (which looks AMAZING, btw) is insane… AND… I’d like to see an overall cost-of-ownership comparison over the next ~10 years… see where they land at that point.
Most reviews prefer the Baja capabilities of the Raptor over the TRD Pro. The Raptor is also far cheaper. But the TRD Pro does come with more equipment and is a hybrid. The TRD Pro is also a freaking beefcake. That truck looks SO good. If it were my money I’d take the TRD Pro, to hell with my rear passengers legroom. But I wouldn’t turn down a Raptor either (or a Bison for that matter). WOOOO we have so many great midsized trucks right now!!
Great review! Seems the Ranger has a better engine and hardware(lockers). Seems the better bang for your buck. But man, that tacoma looks so much better than the raptor from the front.
Ranger is a far better value. Taco looks awesome, but too expensive. I'd probably go TRD off-road with a few options, a tune and upgraded suspension. I'll keep rocking my paid for '14 taco tss with upgraded suspension.
I see a lot of complaints about high prices but to put things in prospective, i purchased an FJ in 2007 for 35K. With inflation that $35,000 in 2007 is worth about $53.20 in 2024.
Bro Toyotas look so good but come off inept too. Like the Sequoia, Land Cruiser, 4 Runner, Tundra, ane this have some very glaring downsides and its getting a little exhausting feeling like there is going to be a really stupid downside to a new toyota release. Im scared to see what theyll mess up with the new Rav4...the Crown is worse than the Avalon and the only things with significant improvements as of recently are the Camry Prius, Sienna, Corolla GR, and Supra. Everything else is just coming off mad stupid. Why is this Tacona so expensive and why not a crewmax style body if youre gonna make some stupid seats that arent optional
Great comparison review! As a Rivian R1T owner, I absolutely love having a real back seat and great storage underneath. I can actually take my family out, or a few friends, and it won't feel like torture for anyone but myself and one lucky passenger. In this day in age, when so many trucks in the mid-size segment come with four doors, you can bank on me expecting those two additional doors to be usable! In that one regard alone, I would take the Raptor over the Taco, and it being the cheaper option is icing on the cake...if that universe lacked the existence of an R1T, of course.
I think if I owned the PRO I would just take the back seats out all together and build a flat platform for my dog with some storage underneath. Looks like that's only good for kids the way it sits, but you probably can't even fit a car seat in there either.
The biggest issue with 0 to 60 runs is whether or not the transmissions are geared properly for that, so yes it might be slower but if it was tuned properly, than a lot of these vehicles would definitely be doing differently. But I love how you just test everything and it seriously makes me judge and decide the best options I want for my car, and also what vehicles are better overall.
Raptor, price matters. It sounds great, excellent power delivery, inside suspension adjustment, better backseat. I have seen mixed reviews on the Toyota seats, more saying not really noticeable. My fear, how long before Ford says we can match the Toyotas price?
Hey Ryan, fun video. Why do you think Toyota only offers the Torsen-based full-time system on the Limited and the Land Cruiser, while Ford offers a full-time system on the Raptor?
With too similar products (albeit suv vs truck here), features is likely the metric to separate and up-sell vehicles You can get the upcoming 4Runner with a rear locker, swaybar disconnect, neat suspension and all on the TRD trims but no full time 4wd, you can get full time 4wd in the limited / platinum trim but no rear locker, swaybar disconnect etc if one wants a 4Runner WITH full time 4wd, swaybar disconnect and all that stuff....you step up to the Land Cruiser, if one wants a Land Cruiser but with a turbo v6 or eKDSS or whatever...you step up to the GX
Great video! I live the actual real world comparison. Truly you are helping guys like me who are on the fence with making the best decision. P.s. i would choose the raptor…
Ranger Raptor owner myself for over a year. We don't get Tacoma in South Africa, but that TRD PRO looks really awesome! Love all the kit it comes with and those seats look amazing. That said, if I had the choice between the two and I must smash open my own piggy bank, the Raptor will win...
One more important thing to mention, the Raptor has longer suspension arms than a standard Ranger. Toyota doesn't do that; the Pro has the same suspension geometry as the regular Tacoma. Big missed opportunity by Toyota. If I was going shopping now, I'd be leaning towards the Raptor, especially considering the price.
This is exaclty the video I needed to watch. I'm a bit shocked that he didn't praise the TT-V6 more than the TT-4Cyl, espeically the almost 100 HP difference. I have my Supra, but sadly it won't be next to the TRD Pro. That Ranger Raptor was the overall clear winner imo.
I put 132k on my third gen tacoma and got a nice pile of money for it when i traded it for a RR last week. Nothing but love for the third gen but i had no idea what I was missing.
Its not that it "cuts" power, it just cant keep supplying electric power for long durations. The battery is too small and is only designed to supply short bursts of power. The biggest flaw with this design is the electric powertain. Baja drving, for which it is designed, requires a drivetrain that provides consistent power delivery. Electric assist can only provide short bursts of power. The majority of the time, the base 4 engine alone is the power you will be getting a majority of the time. That is why the ford engine is far superior for baja.
20:23 do you really have to go into neutral to get from 2wd to 4Hi? Maybe just rolling in drive would do the same? That would be odd being many part time systems can switch to 4Hi while moving (I think my F-150 can do so at up to like 60mph if at low throttle).
@@drivingsports oh sorry must have missed that part, thanks. Yeah I think my F-150 puts up a notification on the dash telling you to go into neutral. Strange this only beeps.
Good luck finding a RR for MSRP. They likely sell within a few $k on the open market when things settle out. I’ll take the Taco if i dont have to haul passengers. Taco fit and finish is > RR with way better mpg. But that Ford powertrain is a blast and if you need the room in the back, no brainer. Unpopular opinion, i like the Taco. Cant go wrong with either.
I certainly have a strong preference for Toyotas but the Ranger Raptor looks like so much fun! I really hope you can test a Rivian at some point because a dual motor R1T is definitely comparable to these two.
Great comparison, as a Toyota fan the raptor wins. Ever since the trd pro lineup was introduced years ago, it never was a proper “desert runner”. Because it was just shocks that they upgraded, the ranger raptor has longer control arms which increases wheel travel thats why it performs better. the Tacoma doesn’t have that, it’s only wider because of wheel offset and fenders, trd pros are just shocks and badges.
I love the looks of the TRD Pro so much more than the vanilla looking Raptor. I think Ford was way too conservative with its design. That said, I think Ford knocked it out of the park with this truck. It has way more to offer and for about $12,000 less than the Pro, it’s a no brainer. Ford for the win!
I traded in my 2021 F-150 Lariat for the 2024 Ranger Raptor that I ordered in 2023. I've been in the Ford ecosystem for decades. But I sure wish Ford offered it's U.S. consumers the option of cooled seats, a moonroof like the Maverick and more rear under seat storage for the money, even if they capped the price at $60K. Other than that, I like the smaller footprint of the Ranger compared to my 6-Inch lifted F-150 on 35's.
I'm toyota guy, but in this case I don't see a reason for high price on taco when something like ford raptor is out there. Don't say o reliablelity because toyotas recent problems.
Insane price? ARB steel bumper $2500, rock sliders $1500, onboard 2400W power system for accessories saves you another $1500. You have just sliced $5k+ from the sticker price. You also get 22/24mpg where Ranger gets 16/18mpg. This gives you another $2800 savings on gas over 50k miles... so which one is more expensive now? If you don't need those extras then why would you buy Raptor in first place? It seems most people crying about the price tag have never gone offroad and have no clue what gear is necessary for such adventures. People that build overlanding rigs can see where the value is.
@@Ww8.3 And 8 people if you have a bench seat for the middle row but it does not tow more. It can tow up to 5,000 lbs. The Ranger Raptor tows 5,510 and the Tacoma can haul 6,000. While the Ascent is capable of mild offroading, that is definitely where midsize trucks excel and with hauling dirt, wood, and other big and dirty items like that. For most people, however, the Ascent is definitely more practical. It's like a minivan (grocery and people hauler) but it will actually be unusable when the going gets rough (ie. snow, rough roads etc.)
Absolutely right. Nothing wrong with the TRD. Just the price tag. Also something almost no one mentions, Ford's app is always free.
Transmissions blowing less than 1,000 miles in seems wrong to me somehow.
Source? @@Maniac742
@@Maniac742Ford's transmission blew at 1000 miles?
@@IAMJRADI think he’s referring to the Toyota. Now Toyota has gotten rid of their front bump stops and moved them to the top of the school. Owners are now having the top hat of the shock busting though on the Tacomas.
apparently there is a lot going wrong with the 2024 Tacomas.
As a Toyota fan and 5th gen 4Runner owner, I would take the Ranger Raptor in a heartbeat. $65k is insane.
Try harder. Toyota is the KING. Soon Ford will go into retirement again 🤣
@@paulm6481 In what? Ford crushes Toyota in all of its vehicles segments head to head on the road.
Nice to be honest!
@@GiampircoYou got that right brother! Toyota should stick with building cars and SUVs…the Tacoma and Tundra look hideous!
@@paulm6481 No, ford has reliable and affordable vehicles. Toyota also has very reliable vehicles but they are all over priced, Almost all of their suvs and all trucks besides the SR tacoma start at 40k or higher. Thats a lot
70k for a midsize truck, what has this world come to
Completely absurd. I bought my loaded 2 door 2023 Bronco badlands brand new for $49k. There's no way the Tacoma should cost $70k.
For a fucking pickup truck 😂 come on now 😂 I would easily choose a 5k oldschooo squarebody over the modern pickup trucks
People keep paying it though.
For the halo vehicle in a midsize lineup, that's just the world we live in these days. Can save quite a bit, like $20k, going to a "regular" TRD-OR (which is still way more than most people could realistically need).
What happens when you vote Democrat with EPA regulations & mass inflation 10x compounding interest & a recession
The Taco is gorgeous but the Ranger beats it in almost every other way. Grew up a Toyota fan but I hate the corporate direction Toyota has gone lately.
I agree, Toyota was gonna be my next truck but not with what they're pushing out now.
3gen and up Toyota tacos are crap, gen2 legendary. Ford all day long now
Surprised they just didn’t go with a smaller displacement V6 with a turbo. The drivetrain works in the Crown, but that’s a different purpose vehicle.
The new trd pro is one of the ugliest trucks ever made imo
You can test all the mid sized trucks my money is and will be on the ranger raptor for sure
Turning out that way. They nailed it with this truck.
@@drivingsports Need to see it against the Bison!
Toyota to the world 😂
@ bbl69420 the the RR shots on the bison too.
@@bbl69420 Chevy sucks. The bison is garbage Chevy Dodge and Toyota will never perform like the ranger raptor or any raptor face. It Chevy is junk.
The seats in the Tacoma are ridiculously unnecessary and probably expensive.
Not to mention the trail hunter seats look way better, and I’ve read they are more comfortable in regular driving as well.
I remembered a few years ago that the trd pro get the factory snorkel. Sometimes Toyota doesn’t make things necessary as much. For this model, TRD PRO, I do love everything, but that seats shock absorbers are just not necessary. If we go off road, we want off-road feeling. And not to mention the back seat of the TRD pro, very very bad…
Yep exactly can I just get regular seats so I can save like 5000 probably 😂
And they're oil over air, the seals will wear and fail over time and you'll have an oil soaked seat and carpet 😆
90% of people who buys these use them as daily grocery getters and the most off road they see is parking in grass/gravel lots
“I don’t own the truck, let’s not ruin it.” I love to hear that, because I know you have no problem really pushing your long term test vehicles.
You and Doug are by far my favorite/most reliably informative auto journalist/reviewers. I enjoy videos from other channels, but I do occasionally catch myself thinking “I don’t think that’s correct” or “you should have done a bit more research before you tested the vehicle, because you’re not utilizing features.”
With you, I can’t remember the last time I had to worry about that. And I appreciate that very much
Much appreciated. We still make dumb mistakes on occasion. But we try reallllly hard not to.
Toyota should just get rid of them marketing hype seats and reduce the MSRP by 5Gs.
This 👆🏼
Or just make them an option.
Or just run better suspension like the raptor
5gs? I'll accept no less than 15.
You think it should be less than the 2023? 😂 You should start a business@@Maniac742
Finally, a proper comparison. The Ranger Raptor is clearly better. But, because I'm a Toyota fanboy and make poor financial decisions, I'm going with the Pro.
See y'all at the nearest Costco parking lot, boys.
@danthesik At least you're taking ownership of your decision making! LOL
Most honest comment of the day. 🥇
Hope your engine don't blow up seen many blowing up, Toyota sead it will replace over 100,000 engines in Tacoma and tundra don't know if hybrid is included
FORD=Fixed Or Repair Daily🤷🏽♂️
@@indaydongtv5139 Anybody that continues to use this moniker for Ford vehicles in this day and age is seriously out of touch with reality!
Had the TRD Pro reserved since April ‘23 but I cancelled when the pricing came out and picked up a RR last month. It’s the better truck for me because I need to put human beings in the back row.😅
Both are too expensive but the Taco's useless rear seat and lack of full-time/auto 4wd are total deal-breakers for me personally.
100%
I'm a Toyota fan and have owned several over the years and currently have two in the stable, but I am not real pleased with the direction they have went with their powertrains in the new gens. I prefer not to have turbos, but I really have a distaste for small displacement turbos combined with a hybrid. If I did buy a Tacoma, I would not by the TRD Pro trim, but still between these two, I'd have to go with the Ranger. I think there is more utility/useability with the Ford with an equal amount of niche fun factor for which it was designed.
I’ve got a 2022 Tacoma trd off-road 4x4 and I can honestly say, if I were buying a new midsize truck, I’d take the ranger raptor hands down. Toyota isn’t what it used to be
Glad you mentioned the Toyota's part system as opposed to the Raptor's full-time 4x4 system.
This means any Subaru will out-traction your bad-ass TRD Pro on icy or snowy streets.
(I do wonder how torque is distributed on the Raptor. No reviewer ever explains this.)
Great video both trucks looked and performed awesome. For me I am a huge fan of brute power plus the Raptor is more affordable. Toyota and Dodge/RAM whatever both need to work on their pricing.
I've always been a Toyota fan but The Ranger Raptor wins this comparison.
100%. The engine of the Ranger Raptor is much much better. Huge difference.
I owned a 97 Tacoma for 20 years but I'd take the Raptor hands down.
Drove both. Id take the taco hands down dollar for dollar unless i needed the backseat to haul passengers. If you can get a RRaptor for msrp, then its an easy decision for the Ford.
Lolol
The Toyota was the clear winner.
The raptor took forever to get out of the second obstacle with the wheel spin, then you had to turn BOTH lockers and gun it up the hill.
The Yota just breezed through it all.
Clearly the Toyota tech was better and the styling is hands down superior.
Looks alone makes it worth more.
The Raptor is just meh to look at…nothing special at all.
@@johnathanbeicher536 I rather look at the $10,000 cash I saved…
My current garage has a HE Land Cruiser and a Lexus GX, but my Toyota loyalty ends at what is actually built in Japan. I’d take that Ranger Raptor 100%.
Yeah baby buy that American muscle truck!
Having driven both trucks for several hundred miles I would definitely lean toward the Ford raptor. And I agree with the comment that the rear seat is basically useless in the TRD. I’ve seen the Ranger raptor go for 52 53,000 but the TRD is just crazy stupid expensive
I am a Ford guy so I would probably choose the Raptor if I was actually buying, but truly props to Toyota and GM too. We have so many great trucks in this segment you can't go wrong really. I would take any of them and be very happy!
So true. If you can afford to play in this segment, they're all great. Differences are mostly minor for 95% of buyers. Get whichever one you think looks cool! 😄
I’m a Ford guy too, but when it comes to traversing terrains it’s all about enjoying the moment and making memories with your friends while having an adventure together.
That price alone on the Tacoma is ridiculous.
I wanted the RR but dealerships suck now days. I ended up finding my 2019 Raptor and buying it back. Its just as i left it. Still runs and functions perfectly with no issues at 77k mi.
Got my RR yesterday, no regrets
@@2011buddylee thanks, it’s great, already 1.3K miles on it 😅 aside from some software oddities here and there, only real complaint I have are the seats. I don’t like the plastic mold cutout they did below the headrest, it’s a little uncomfortable over time for my upper back.
I love how in the Tacoma, your unconfortable passengers in the back seat could switch around your precious expensive seat settings..just to get back at you for squishing them in there. 😂
As a former Toyota fanboy I’d have said Tacoma. End of story. But after reading countless comments, blogs, reviews and articles on the never ending Toyota reliability issues as of late, I’d wait about 5 years before I’d purchase any new Toyota. Because make no mistake, Toyota will address the issues, but it will take some time. However, I would not buy the Ford either. Ford takes the approach of let’s pay warranty claims rather than address issues. See their dual clutch powershift transmission, and all wheel drive PTU failures as proof of my claim. In this case, it appears the Nissan Frontier is the most reliable midsize truck available at this time.
Nissan Frontier is rated as least reliable mid size. So your "gut" instinct is wrong. Love how people just "know' stuff because they read a you tube comment.
@@drn13355 cite your source…love how you stopped playing video games and eating your Mallomars so you could type up your passive aggressive nonsensical rebuttal. If anything, this only proves how problematic new cars have become.
There is no feeling like to have the newest model on its first year… but wisdom says … never buy the first year new model!
@danLTa1 my 2010 Tacoma 4x4 with the 4.0 and rock solid powertrain was worth it for 24k out the door. Since then, the reliability has plummeted and prices skyrocketed.
Yea most of those are click bait. It’s funny the f150 is number one in recalls but no one ever mentions that
The mid size truck segment is on FIRE! I've got my Ranger Raptor on order. Trading my BMW, the Raptor looks WAY more fun.
There's a guy on TH-cam who got on of the first ones, whose done exactly that, and he loves his R R !!
From the bottom of my heart I would like to thank you for doing away with the intro. I love your reviews and love the channel, but was getting tired of watching the intro of old car reviews with the cars in action. Well done, everyone!
Love the comparison...I had a Ranger before getting my Tacoma. Loving all the new midsize trucks coming in the market...tons of options now.
I've got the raptor and It's very hard not to smile every time its driven. Absolute beast and bang for buck is spot on!
As a former owner of an F-150 Raptor G2, there is no way I am paying more money for the TRD-Pro. I would choose the Ranger Raptor even if it cost more.
he said "power was conservative" on the toyota; lol . meaning under powered for what it is.
@@alexmar1382that’s how you understand it, then go back to school
@@aboutlife21352 conservative: purposely low for the sake of caution. look it up.
100%
@@aboutlife21352 the truth hurts. It's a dog compared to the RR.
Great review! I love both trucks. But you had me at front locker. The rear seat space and lack of ability to be folded down is a big deal breaker for me.
Give me the Raptor or the Colorado ZRZ/ Canyon AT4X. I want a front locker, not some ridiculous seats. Plus, I'm not interested in the hybrid system.
99.9999999% of people have zero need for a front locker. Attached is 99.9999% equal to a front locker
@@flight2k5 and no one needs those goofy ah seats either💀
@@flight2k5I’d rather have a front locker over those goofy seats and zero backseat
@@hurt1704 aaawww does that make your wittle feelings not hurt?
@@flight2k5 lol over a seat? No. It just tells me you are gay
Nice Toyota though lack of full time AWD remains a bummer. Also seems like the Raptor's more "fully baked" - Tacoma needs some refinement yet.
It’s so difficult to engage 4wd
@@flight2k5 that part time 4wd drive that you cant use everyday on the road when it actually matters. What doesnt matter is that their part time is easy to switch on
@@mustanggt106 you don’t need 4wd on dry pavement. If you’re too stupid to figure out when to engage 4wd, you shouldn’t be driving a 4wd.
@@flight2k5 When you are too stupid to understand the original post dont reply and reinforce to everyone just how dumb you are
@@flight2k5I swear every truck video has some clown making a post like this. F"ck off with your sarcastic wanna be tough part time 4wd is all you need or you shouldn't be driving it bs
I bought a 2021 tundra trd pro for MSRP a $54,995. I can’t believe the Taco’s are this expensive now! However, the MSRP went from what I paid in 2021 for a tundra trd pro to $77k MSRP in 2022. No way I could ever pay that for a taco.
Just say you’re poor. Nothing wrong with that
I am a proud owner of a RR since a couple weeks. That Truck is absolutely awesome. Some people are saying "but it's not a V8" and honestly, it doesn't need it! This Truck is perfect how it is :)
Ranger Raptor is my choice, it might be the first Ford I buy.
dude, i daily drive the full size raptor and it's awesome! reliability comes down to shorter frequent oil changes; it's turbo charged so it creates more heat hence oil changes needed more often. nearly 90K on mines and no issues.
I have a 23 drw f350 with custom 3.0 king coil overs that are manually adjustable.. and I have a 24 ranger raptor and I loveeeeee the steering wheel adjustability and the power is great.. I love my baby raptor
the iForce Max TRD Off-road would be a better bang for the buck vs the TRD Pro (~46k vs 65k). Same power and all. Yeah you don't get fancy shocks but you can put the price difference towards some lol
I imagine the seats play into the cost a bunch, I see that becoming an option in the future vs it being standard
TRD Off roads are over 52k
@@Giampirco depends on the dealers I guess, the few in southeastern US I'm seeing are more or less msrp
Premium package pushes it well over $50K. Are you actually seeing Hybrid ORs without Premium?
Not really. If you go with iForce Max TRD OR with equivalent amount of premium package (heat/ventilated seats, 360 camera, etc.), it will come around almost near 60k. Kinda sucks.
@@MountainBound17 I think I saw couple of them on Facebook Marketplace. Yes they exist but at that price may be better to go regular with premium package and enjoy the better tech.
Good comparison, good trucks. I like both honestly
I do truck camping so am going with the Tacoma Trailhunter. 2400 watts in the bed means (for the most part) no more dealing with fuel canisters (big built in battery+induction cooktop) and having to worry about buying ice. (will have a Lithium power station plugged in to portable dual zone fridge). Sometimes will still haul a propane tank and burner to boil crab when on the coast. 🤙🏽
Nice, i'd opt for the one that has a transmission capable of hauling my refrigerator back home from my camping trips.
Truck camping with the new Taco? Make sure you got phone number for a Tow truck. You might need it!
With the transmission on the ranger raptor keeping you in the high might not last as long engine wear from high revs plus turbos, spooling could equate too reliability longevity in the end.
The factors that make the difference for me: I want reliability, resale value, and a truck that I think looks nice. I am getting a Trailhunter for that reason. Is it expensive? Yes. Will I have to buy a truck in the next 20 years? Maybe, probably not. If I do wanna buy a new vehicle, can I sell it for damn near what I bought it at? Yes. and quite frankly, the Ranger Raptor looks too plain Jane for me. Its big brother is obvious when you see it on the road, but I feel like the Ranger Raptor would go under the radar, which may be a plus for a lot of people. Not me.
Dude just put some bright red lip gloss on if you want to stand out❤❤❤❤
@@chriscross2209 If that's what you're into, more power to you. Not for me.
I think you’re missing out on the reality of the new Taco. You won’t have it for 20 years, unless you want to replace the hybrid engine at great cost. Hybrids don’t last. Also, Tacos have transmissions breaking left and right on them. The Ranger is genuinely more reliable at this point and would likely last you longer. This ain’t the same as the old Taco anymore….
Resale value on anything labeled Raptor keep their value just as good if not better than a Tacoma these days. I paid $35k for my 2013 Raptor in 2019 and I can sell it right now for close to $40k. The same will be with the RR as well. Plus no stupid hybrid system that will give you problems in a few years. So, you might as well get the RR.
I noticed the better articulation on the Tacoma which added to more ground contact for traction which shows on several shots on this video and on the hill climb without needing a front locker. Also the noticeable difference in ground clearance. The Tacoma clearly has more of it even though different wheel base
Yes, that sway bar disconnect is legit.
I love Japanese vehicles but the ranger raptor is a beast. ❤
Ryan, you look like you're having so much fun testing these! Thank you for a great review... I would have thought the Taco was better than the Ford, but if I was to drop 50k on a truck it would be the Ranger now.
Mid-size is the new full-sized. These are still wildly overpriced but the average tradesman is going to have to make do with Rangers, Tacos and Colorados of the world because the full-size market is ridiculously overpriced.
More specific to the video, great comparison Ryan. You've been nailing these face-offs lately and I'd love to see more comparisons across all of the trucks and SUVs that you review. Toyota have absolutely nailed the looks on the TRD Pro but they need to at least offer something Raptor-like when it comes to engine varieties. You can hybridize or turbocharge or both, but a 4-cylinder is never going to excite.
I'll take the RR all day in the midsize truck segment. Probably the best overall value on the truck market right now in any weight class. Big win for Ford.
In Q2 mid size truck sales figures. 1.tacoma 47.879/Colorado 26.901/3rd frontier 20.219/4th canyon 11.351/5th gladiator 10.489/6th ranger 9.030./7th Ridgeline 8.626. now
Colorado and frontier doing way better than expected. The ranger is super low production this year so next year it should be much more competitive
the fact that you have to climb under the tacoma to change suspension in this day and age and at that price point is mind boggling
Something that very, VERY few owners are going to do on a muddy or slushy trail.
I’m impressed with both! I’ve heard so many comments about the lack of a front locker in the TRD Pro, but it doesn’t look like it needs it at all. The MTS is dialed in really well. Plus the stabilizer bar connect was very effective.
Loving these comparisons! As always, thank you so much for such thorough and interesting videos and review of specs, driving impressions on and off road and, covering strengths and shortcomings on and off road. Thanks Ryan!
I love how your 45 seconds into the video and your stateing the Toyota's ALL NEW UpGrades as your Under the truck manually adjusting the ' Adjustable Shocks ' ..LOL... FORD ALL DAY LONG !
Agree that the cost of the Taco (which looks AMAZING, btw) is insane… AND… I’d like to see an overall cost-of-ownership comparison over the next ~10 years… see where they land at that point.
Most reviews prefer the Baja capabilities of the Raptor over the TRD Pro. The Raptor is also far cheaper. But the TRD Pro does come with more equipment and is a hybrid. The TRD Pro is also a freaking beefcake. That truck looks SO good. If it were my money I’d take the TRD Pro, to hell with my rear passengers legroom. But I wouldn’t turn down a Raptor either (or a Bison for that matter). WOOOO we have so many great midsized trucks right now!!
Truth!
Great review! Seems the Ranger has a better engine and hardware(lockers). Seems the better bang for your buck. But man, that tacoma looks so much better than the raptor from the front.
Ryan was too generous at the end towards Toyota saying that both are great trucks but he knows the better truck was and is the Raptor.
YESSSSS1 Just the video I've been waiting for! Love the Quality of your videos!
Ranger is a far better value. Taco looks awesome, but too expensive. I'd probably go TRD off-road with a few options, a tune and upgraded suspension. I'll keep rocking my paid for '14 taco tss with upgraded suspension.
Fully loaded TRD off-road is nearing RR. It’s like 55k rn
Crazy prices.
I see a lot of complaints about high prices but to put things in prospective, i purchased an FJ in 2007 for 35K. With inflation that $35,000 in 2007 is worth about $53.20 in 2024.
Bro Toyotas look so good but come off inept too. Like the Sequoia, Land Cruiser, 4 Runner, Tundra, ane this have some very glaring downsides and its getting a little exhausting feeling like there is going to be a really stupid downside to a new toyota release. Im scared to see what theyll mess up with the new Rav4...the Crown is worse than the Avalon and the only things with significant improvements as of recently are the Camry Prius, Sienna, Corolla GR, and Supra. Everything else is just coming off mad stupid. Why is this Tacona so expensive and why not a crewmax style body if youre gonna make some stupid seats that arent optional
Great comparison review! As a Rivian R1T owner, I absolutely love having a real back seat and great storage underneath. I can actually take my family out, or a few friends, and it won't feel like torture for anyone but myself and one lucky passenger. In this day in age, when so many trucks in the mid-size segment come with four doors, you can bank on me expecting those two additional doors to be usable! In that one regard alone, I would take the Raptor over the Taco, and it being the cheaper option is icing on the cake...if that universe lacked the existence of an R1T, of course.
I think if I owned the PRO I would just take the back seats out all together and build a flat platform for my dog with some storage underneath. Looks like that's only good for kids the way it sits, but you probably can't even fit a car seat in there either.
I would take it but the rear seats must be for kids indeed.
The problem is it looks so small that there is no way you are fitting kids and a dog back there.
The biggest issue with 0 to 60 runs is whether or not the transmissions are geared properly for that, so yes it might be slower but if it was tuned properly, than a lot of these vehicles would definitely be doing differently. But I love how you just test everything and it seriously makes me judge and decide the best options I want for my car, and also what vehicles are better overall.
Those iso seats should be optional. Take up too much room
Raptor, price matters. It sounds great, excellent power delivery, inside suspension adjustment, better backseat. I have seen mixed reviews on the Toyota seats, more saying not really noticeable. My fear, how long before Ford says we can match the Toyotas price?
Hey Ryan, fun video. Why do you think Toyota only offers the Torsen-based full-time system on the Limited and the Land Cruiser, while Ford offers a full-time system on the Raptor?
Good question. I think it’s just to force product segmentation.
With too similar products (albeit suv vs truck here), features is likely the metric to separate and up-sell vehicles
You can get the upcoming 4Runner with a rear locker, swaybar disconnect, neat suspension and all on the TRD trims but no full time 4wd, you can get full time 4wd in the limited / platinum trim but no rear locker, swaybar disconnect etc
if one wants a 4Runner WITH full time 4wd, swaybar disconnect and all that stuff....you step up to the Land Cruiser, if one wants a Land Cruiser but with a turbo v6 or eKDSS or whatever...you step up to the GX
Toyota looks combative and agressive but Ranger Raptor is truck which we want. Great review. Greetings
@21:19 wow, that’s the most spot-on unintentional owl impression that I’ve ever heard 😂
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Great video! I live the actual real world comparison. Truly you are helping guys like me who are on the fence with making the best decision. P.s. i would choose the raptor…
Great review -Go Ford!! and I own a 4Runner LOL
Do you have any problem with yours?
@@boxoffisa no never and this is my 2nd one
They are truly the last Japanese made full body on frame v6 greats and soon will be gone
@@Jojo-ni2cg glad you are enjoying. I love mine. 😊.
Ranger Raptor owner myself for over a year. We don't get Tacoma in South Africa, but that TRD PRO looks really awesome! Love all the kit it comes with and those seats look amazing. That said, if I had the choice between the two and I must smash open my own piggy bank, the Raptor will win...
The raptor for me ..best bang for the buck 🍻
The hood flopping on 70k truck. Ranger is so nice, looks great too
One more important thing to mention, the Raptor has longer suspension arms than a standard Ranger. Toyota doesn't do that; the Pro has the same suspension geometry as the regular Tacoma. Big missed opportunity by Toyota. If I was going shopping now, I'd be leaning towards the Raptor, especially considering the price.
Good video! The TRD Pro is selling much more than I thought it would. Way more than I need! I love my off road!
Made in Mexico? 8,000 price difference? Back seat I can’t sit it? Ford goes anywhere. I’ll take the Ford.
Take the ford right back to the dealership to fix all the recalls
@@cobyjones9519 Must not be paying attention to all the issues Toyota is having.
@@fun0537 still not as many as ford
@@cobyjones9519 Ford doesn't void your warranty for driving the legal speed limit=th-cam.com/video/5Z2prPMh1K4/w-d-xo.html
@@cobyjones9519 what issues are the ranger raptors having?
Had the raptor for a week couldn’t be happier, perfect truck for me.
This is exaclty the video I needed to watch. I'm a bit shocked that he didn't praise the TT-V6 more than the TT-4Cyl, espeically the almost 100 HP difference. I have my Supra, but sadly it won't be next to the TRD Pro. That Ranger Raptor was the overall clear winner imo.
Raptor all the way. And I say that as a 3rd gen owner.
I put 132k on my third gen tacoma and got a nice pile of money for it when i traded it for a RR last week. Nothing but love for the third gen but i had no idea what I was missing.
@jerryrichards9107 wat did u get for trade-in? Cuz @ 132, u just broke the truck in lol
Great review! I’m going with the ranger raptor
This is a good video comparison. Beautifully presented 🎉
Its not that it "cuts" power, it just cant keep supplying electric power for long durations. The battery is too small and is only designed to supply short bursts of power. The biggest flaw with this design is the electric powertain. Baja drving, for which it is designed, requires a drivetrain that provides consistent power delivery. Electric assist can only provide short bursts of power. The majority of the time, the base 4 engine alone is the power you will be getting a majority of the time. That is why the ford engine is far superior for baja.
20:23 do you really have to go into neutral to get from 2wd to 4Hi? Maybe just rolling in drive would do the same? That would be odd being many part time systems can switch to 4Hi while moving (I think my F-150 can do so at up to like 60mph if at low throttle).
That neutral switch was from 4lo to 4Hi. No N needed for 2hi to 4Hi.
@@drivingsports oh sorry must have missed that part, thanks. Yeah I think my F-150 puts up a notification on the dash telling you to go into neutral. Strange this only beeps.
Toyota is doing great advertising for Ford and Chevy
Isn’t ford number 1 in recalls 🤣😂
People who buy Toyota like me we don’t buy because it’s the best. Here except for the rear seats, Tacoma will be great long term ownership.
@@boxoffisa contradicting statement.
@@flight2k5 true but not on trucks or for the ranger.
@alexmar1382 Maybe he used a translator? Not sure
Good luck finding a RR for MSRP. They likely sell within a few $k on the open market when things settle out. I’ll take the Taco if i dont have to haul passengers. Taco fit and finish is > RR with way better mpg. But that Ford powertrain is a blast and if you need the room in the back, no brainer. Unpopular opinion, i like the Taco. Cant go wrong with either.
Canadian pricing for the Toyota Tacoma is $80,055.08 plus tax and the Ford is $80,240. Much closer in price where I live.
My math says that ford is more expensive but that $195 isn’t a big difference though.
regular tacoma ? not the trd pro , because there is no way a trd pro is the same price as the ford raptor
@@awpel2TRD Pro in Canada is $80,055.
I certainly have a strong preference for Toyotas but the Ranger Raptor looks like so much fun! I really hope you can test a Rivian at some point because a dual motor R1T is definitely comparable to these two.
Ranger Raptor the winner 🏆
Great comparison, as a Toyota fan the raptor wins. Ever since the trd pro lineup was introduced years ago, it never was a proper “desert runner”. Because it was just shocks that they upgraded, the ranger raptor has longer control arms which increases wheel travel thats why it performs better. the Tacoma doesn’t have that, it’s only wider because of wheel offset and fenders, trd pros are just shocks and badges.
I love the looks of the TRD Pro so much more than the vanilla looking Raptor. I think Ford was way too conservative with its design. That said, I think Ford knocked it out of the park with this truck. It has way more to offer and for about $12,000 less than the Pro, it’s a no brainer. Ford for the win!
I traded in my 2021 F-150 Lariat for the 2024 Ranger Raptor that I ordered in 2023. I've been in the Ford ecosystem for decades. But I sure wish Ford offered it's U.S. consumers the option of cooled seats, a moonroof like the Maverick and more rear under seat storage for the money, even if they capped the price at $60K. Other than that, I like the smaller footprint of the Ranger compared to my 6-Inch lifted F-150 on 35's.
I'm toyota guy, but in this case I don't see a reason for high price on taco when something like ford raptor is out there. Don't say o reliablelity because toyotas recent problems.
Insane price? ARB steel bumper $2500, rock sliders $1500, onboard 2400W power system for accessories saves you another $1500. You have just sliced $5k+ from the sticker price. You also get 22/24mpg where Ranger gets 16/18mpg. This gives you another $2800 savings on gas over 50k miles... so which one is more expensive now? If you don't need those extras then why would you buy Raptor in first place? It seems most people crying about the price tag have never gone offroad and have no clue what gear is necessary for such adventures. People that build overlanding rigs can see where the value is.
I would have to agree, and half the people complaining about the Tacoma are calling it a tundra in their confusion 😂
Toyota definitely looks better
Looks all lumps and bumps to me, way over styled as usual !!
@@arkhsm sorry you prefer boring
Awesome video - have been really excited for this!
My mom's 2019 Subaru Ascent hits 60 in 7 seconds 😂
And hauls 7 people while towing more lol midsize trucks are kind of a joke and a one trick pony
@@Ww8.3 And 8 people if you have a bench seat for the middle row but it does not tow more. It can tow up to 5,000 lbs. The Ranger Raptor tows 5,510 and the Tacoma can haul 6,000. While the Ascent is capable of mild offroading, that is definitely where midsize trucks excel and with hauling dirt, wood, and other big and dirty items like that. For most people, however, the Ascent is definitely more practical. It's like a minivan (grocery and people hauler) but it will actually be unusable when the going gets rough (ie. snow, rough roads etc.)
Thanks for the comparison. I wish there was an option for regular seats. The suspension seats eat up a lot of rear seat leg room.
Ford for the win in my book.
The "rock rails" on the trd pro is body mounted. Where as the trailhunter is frame mounted.
If I had the money!!!!!! I would put it on the Ford.
That Toyota looks like a beast ngl love the aggressive looks.
Ranger all day.
Said no one ever.
@@iamthedutchbroI did.