Forgetting that you're holding a ladder
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- Forgetting important items in D&D
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0:36 I love Adam standing there like "Dude....I'm a druid. Why the heck would YOU need animal friendship?"
Because Adam wastes his spell slots on speak with plants before talking to people
Lmao I missed that
Came here to say exactly this. Good Adam!
@@jacobisbell9388 watch it again. He tried Speak w Plants to speak to people 😆
That's what's great. They KNOW some things, but are still so BAD, lol.
Of course he couldn’t find the ladder, he’s probably got 12 different weapons and every piece of junk that wasn’t nailed down in his inventory. That or he forgot to write it down, the biggest cause of lost items.
I think he actually could use all his loot to make a pile to climb the wall.
i was thinking the same thing, it needs to be written down, or remembered right before the game starts, that's happened to me before, haha!
Simp
We had a hoarding cleric in our party ... when the player was off on vacation, someone else took over, looked over the character sheet and asked "Which one of these two platemails I'm carrying around is the best" *facepalm*
To be fair, if something isn't written down, then it is canonically forgotten by the PC. Especially with tools like DnDBeyond existing, really no excuse to not record whatever loot you care about enough to keep.
"You reach into your bag of holding, pushing aside potions, scrolls, a ladder, you find your battleaxe and a longsword"
I am totally stealing this.
- and why do I need an axe to go through stone wall??
- our GM is nuts
(all party) - yeah
@@delta_glider4362 "You're RIGHT DM! You genius, we can use the axe and swords as shovels and go UNDER the wall!"
Bag of holding is for amateurs. Professionals carry a portable hole.
Did he check his horse pocket? Maybe he accidentally put something else in there.
Britt's voice from offscreen: Rowan, you've got-
Rob: you're not here, Britt!
Britt offscreen: but he's-
Rob: you stayed at the Ranger's Guild! You have no idea this is happening.
Having seen how they play would not be surprised
oh and when they get back and start complaining brit would ask "whats that on your shoulder?" and after a few moments of oblivious rowan she just walks away.
You're still asleep.
Damn, now I want a part 2 for this specific video@@zerodawn09
you're not there, you're getting drunk!_!
DM missed an opportunity to make all the OTHER players make perception checks. kinda hard to hide a ladder from the rest of the party.
I bet he looted the carpenter by himself and then everyone just assumed it was a fancy new weapon
I mean for stuff in a bag of holding, nobody else would see it. If players don't keep track of stuff they collect it might as well not exist to them in campaigns that stretch weeks to months
@pacmonster066 to the extent of that dnd is just paperworks for daydreaming about adventures, I'd say that you can absolutely help players when they're supposedly carrying a 20kg metal ladder and don't notice it
@@yasininn76 But not with a perception check of 2...
@@anjafrohlich1170 The video is a little exaggerated for comedic purposes. If you travel a lot you're going to get really good at tying your stuff comfortably to your backpack and with experience you're going to get good at it.
One of my players right now xD
They entered a temple, found a talisman with a VERY SPECIFIC shape, and now the are stuck in a "dead-end", despite having noticed an empty space in the wall, an empty space with a VERY SPECIFIC shape 😂
Oh you’re going to love our next episode 😂
Is it the strongest shape? 😮
It got the same vibe when player in boss fight got tips on how to fight the boss by the game, fail miserably and complain about how the game doesn't tell you how that boss should be defeated
I hope they don't have a bard in the party.
@@AppleNorris no, we have a fire elemental with nymphomaniac curse after stealing from a goddess...
*2 minutes later * DM: "Your party arrives in front of another dungeon, whose guards are inexplicably asleep"
"However, Rowan, you can't fit through the entry gate. Make a perception check to see why."
@@petrowegynyolc7108 That should be the full party makes a perception check to see why. One of them might succeed the roll!
@@Thurgosh_OG"Ok DM, what's my DC?"
"Two."
"#@%&!"
"(Sigh) What was it?"
"Nat one."
"No crit fails on skills. Add your modifier."
"Zero."
@@petrowegynyolc7108 Rowan turns around while next to the other guys.
DM: Everyone but Rowan suffers 1 point of bludgeoning damage.
Ben: What? Why?
DM: Everyone roll for perception, DC of 5.
*Everyone rolls below 5*
DM: Nope, nobody knows where the damage came from.
Rowan turns around again.
DM: Everyone but Rowan suffers 1 point of bludgeoning damage.
Ben: What the hell!?
or when combat starts "rowan you going to fight with that ladder or put it down for your weapon?" and you know a light bulb will hit but after the combat they all forgot the ladder and left it there.
I have to admit, as a GM I love these moments, or more specifically, the look on the party’s faces when they get back to town (or the ranger’s guild) and an NPC looks puzzled and asks why they didn’t just use the ladder.
Any good DM knows, if you want to challenge your party properly: a locked door, a large wall or a fast flowing river is stronger than any creature.
More Challenging : An opened Mithril Door xD
They would just assume that it was locked and that some magical traps are set on it.
No RPG party would dare to try to open this kind of door the usual way.
Hell, most of the time, the locked door or large wall has got nothing to do with the quest whatsoever
@@akmal94ibrahim That's the salt of DnD, sometimes the DM lure the party to do some useless shit
Woah hold on a minute, who said the door has to be locked? Just make it a fancy door and they'll never even try just opening it.
Or just a suspicious open door. That'll keep them occupied for an hour.
Gotta love it when the players are clueless, the DM is desperate, but the Dice God is just "Fuck you all" 😂
This is why you shouldn't call for rolls when you really really don't want something to fail.
@@Can-uj5pvtrue. Luckily, irl Rob doesn’t do this is his table.
The Dice God is mischevious in many ways...
Praise the Dice God !
@@Can-uj5pv Yeah but looking at the sketch makes it evident that Rob plays a "By-the-book" DM.
@@Can-uj5pv You should especially don't call for rolls when the player should obviously succeed to notice the huge ladder on his shoulder. The DM made an awfull job here.
“Hey, Rowan, your right arm is getting really tired. Roll an endurance check to see if you’re able to go on without a rest.”
“Why is my one arm so tired?”
“Well, you’ve been using it a lot lately.”
“Hey, we’ve only been away from the town brothel for 3 days!”
😂😂😂
Rolls a 20. "My arm feels fine."
When the DM desperately wants to help you, but your dices repeatedly say "Nah, you don't".
I know that feeling all too well.
Must obey the dice.
The check you make him do is acrobatics, if he fails he falls over because he lost balance due to the LADDER he is holding, if he succeeds you tell him he manages to keep his balance even though the LADDER he is holding is making it way harder to keep it up.
Uh, I realy like this one
"Make an acrobatics check"
"Oh, and with disadvantage"
"Why disadvantage?"
"Because of the ladder you are carrying"
Lmao it really is funny
My husband's idea was encumbrance. "Make a stamina check because you seem to be lagging behind ... that LADDER sure is heavy and awkward."
This is BRILLIANT! I will definitely be using it the next time my players end up in this exact situation.
I was on a film set and the directer called out "we need a ladder". He was standing right in front of a ladder.
There is no glasses-wearer in existence who has never looked for his glasses with his glasses on.
@@Chraan My mom once has 2 pair of reading glasses and a pair of sunglasses on top on her head when she was looking for glasses. I have not looked for my glasses when I was wearing them before as a near-sighted person I know when I don't have them on as anything more than 1.25 ft from my face starts to get blurry, but I once couldn't find them because my mom set a single sheet of printer paper on top of them and spent 30 minutes looking before I found them
I've used the light on my cellphone to look around a dark room for my cellphone.
@@ChraanI'm with @clarehidalgo on this: we serious miopes never look for our glasses while wearing them because we know that if we can see sufficiently to look for our glasses we must already be wearing them. Besides, the only times I'm out of bed and not wearing my glasses are when I'm showering or swimming.
@@Elkadetodd -i once went around asking for a pen i had used just before, while it was in my mouth. not just the tip stuck into the side, i had it horizontal between my back teeth, so even while asking if anyone'd seen it, i had to maneuver my mouth around the object.
First mistake: always have rope on you. As an adventurer worth their salt, you always keep at least 50 ft. of rope on you.
With their luck, they probably used it in ways it shouldn't have, thereby destroying it.
And a holocaust cloak.
rope and a grappling hook
And a 10 ft pole...errrr because...wtf do we always carry that 10 ft pole around with us again?
@@meglobob9217 mimics?
Shifty/hopeful DM eyes at 00:44. This whole sketch is adorable.
Also glad the ladder people pointed out in the prior sketch was intentional.
Was waiting for someone to mention that the ladder argument from the last skit is settled.
Confirmed, the ladder was wooden
"TOO MUCH ELSE TO SUBTITLE"
Bless Lorquin for trying 😅
Haha Lorquin does an amazing job - but got to give love to the internal VLDL editing team for the main channel subtitles ❤
@@VivaLaDirtLeague ah sorry, I forgot the main channel had a different subtitler. They’re as funny as Lorquin’s!
They learned from THE BEST!
@@SeelenschmiedeYou're all very sweet. VLDL has been having funny subtitles from way before I found them! And they're still raising the bar!
@@Vermouth_19 I never realized they have different subtitle people. But makes sense with their expansion.
For the people not understanding the D&D logic involved, items in each person's inventory are not publicly viewable on the character. The video had Rowan hold the ladder so we could visually see it was in his inventory, but nobody else would be able to see it.
And the meta reason why Rowan might not have known he had a ladder is because players have to write down the things in their inventory. It's very common in long D&D sessions for people to not keep note of stuff that goes into their inventory, then forget about the item entirely on future sessions. Especially if there's a long break between sessions. So while the DM might have kept their own notes of who has what, if the players don't, the item might as well not exist.
I liked how when they are discussing what to do next and they suggest walking back to the guild, the camera cuts to the DM shaking his head. As a DM I've had to physically stop myself from doing this at the table to not force the players decision.
He should have stored it in his ladder pocket.
Rob really is the Goat of D&D, and such a good actor in these videos….his frustration and disappointment is endless 😂🤣
Sorry, Vivian the Oracle!
I like DMs like I like my therapists: Every week, I try to make them cry.
I think his frustration and disappointment is just experience at this point
I don't think that's acting. I'm pretty sure that's just how he exists at this point.
That's because it's true. As previous people said, this isn't really acting. He knows this frustration well. Though most actors call on previous experiences to accurately portray their reaction to a situation.
I like how the DM was more disappointed at the bad rolls 😂
1 rule every GM should remember when it comes to rolling.
Don't let players roll if one of the outcomes will be destructive to the game.
This includes having them roll hoping for a success so they can proceed. Or having them roll for something ludicrous expecting them to fail.
This sketch perfectly indicates why.
@@sitnamkrad Our ref has a major questline that cannot be discovered (at this time) without consecutive natural 20s. Two of the characters on a random walkabout proceded to do just that.
@@WilliamDeVey Not sure what your point is. Hiding a secret behind rolls or intending to save something for later is not destructive to a game.
Literally stopping the game in its tracks to do a boring backtrack especially when the solution was right there, is.
@@sitnamkrad
except that wasn't what happened, there was no check for the ladder at the start. the players were incapable of basic reasoning and are ill prepared.
they certainly are not going to be saving the world like that, the campaign SHOULD end or take a long detour because CLEARLY the players are incapable of making basic observations.
if you can't even see a ladder in your inventory then if you really want to roleplay then the GM should give your character -100 int and you just die from suffocation because you forgot how to breath.
@@rocksfire4390 Tell me you're not fit to GM without telling me you're not fit to GM. You would let the whole game session be ruined, your hard work wasted, making sure nobody is having fun including the GM (clearly shown in the sketch), just because someone overlooked an item in their inventory. Congrats, you just wasted about 20 manhours of time. Because of a ladder.
Vivian the Oracle will just happen to be in the next castle, tower, tavern and the guild itself, but they'll keep failing to find her.
My party and I spent two months worth of sessions (a year in game) living in the underdark, mostly in a dwarven city. It was the session before we left that i finally noticed my character knew Dwarven. We'd been struggling the entire time because only one party member spoke it which made splitting up difficult.
😂😂
Yup that sounds about right!
This is a textbook example of a DM with standards and a heart for teaching.
Instead of making sure his hours of prep for this encounter was utilized by allowing the checks to succeed, or dropping ladder-themed puns (they exist....they..they must...), he held course to teach Rowan the value of taking notes.
A true educator, that one.
"rowan, you suddenly realize that Ben defending himself is him just CLIMBING ON MIRRORS" I did my best ok
@@yasininn76 we're all in this together!
For Rowan!
I disagree. This is a textbook example of a DM who is too stupid to realize that "noticing a ladder in your own inventory of items" does not require a check. He could just straight up remind the player that he picked up the ladder back in the carpenter's guild and then move on with the adventure.
The biggest mistake most DMs make is making players roll checks for everything that is so easy, even a child could do it.
@@blablubb4553 maybe the character, not the player, is really absent-minded and they are trying to hold firm with that whenever possible.
Either way, describing the DM as "stupid" for making a choice to not tell the player seems incorrect. If he did it unintentionally that's one thing. Here, he seems to just be a glutton for punishment.
Punishment can't apply as players started to think that the DM made a mistake putting them in this situation
Eventually, when the DM will angrily say "You had a focking ladder in your inventory", then MAYBE players will learn... Or just stay on their position and say "why didn't you remember me I was holding a focking ladder then ?"
New point is : maybe don't try to educate your players, just write a story WITH them and have fun :D
Now there is a chance of a follow up where Rowan needs to roll agility every time he tries to pass through a door, or enters a shop full of breakables.
...so many people misunderstanding the visual shorthand of the ladder being in Rowan's inventory and thus invisible to everybody (including Rowan) with the literal thing in the video of Rowan holding the ladder and not noticing he's holding a ladder.
People, there was no way to visually depict how the D&D inventory works without doing it this way.
@pacmonster066 - that would only really be true for a bag of holding or a haversack.
Outside of that, players really do be just carrying shit around on their back and forgetting it's there.
My favorite way of letting them know what they missed, “As you turn to leave, the ladder on Rowan’s back hits a tree, nearly knocking him over.”
@@alexj1989 or: turning around, the rest of the party gets damage points because he knocks them over :D
@@DrakeWurrum Anything a player has out that isn't their weapon or gear they have to have declared during their turn. A player cannot be holding an object they don't know about, that's not how the game works.
We once was trying to get into a small castle, we talked about how to get past the guards for ages until I had enough and just ran up to the guards saying that I was lost and needed to use the latrine( I was a female elf). the guards let me in and I spent an hour or so figuring out a way to get my friends over the wall to join me inside.
Later the DM told us that the guards was friendly and would have let us all in if we just asked.
That’s hilarious, sometimes the simplest solutions are also the best.
There is a prank video where a guy carries a ladder to see how far he can get into a secure area. It was amazing what he got away with. Places like the backstage of a concert, the kitchen of a high-class restaurant, among others.
I love these little moments between the characters.
Ben: "Nah, I switched it this morning for Animal Friendship."
Adam's pose seems to say: "Are you serious? Did you notice that I'm a druid?"
And the frustration of the players over the nonsense of Rob's impossable task was just hilarious. 😂
LOL was looking for this comment. omg i lol'd
Rowan beeing like "I have nothing on me, i'm carrying this heavy ladder, so literally don't have a spot fo anything else"
I would have said passive perception was enough. But this happens all the time. Of particular note from old games was how every party would carry a 10 foot pole to set off traps from a safer distance but would conveniently forget they had it when trying to run down a tight 5 foot tunnel.
That sounds like potentially funny set up for a DM who remembers. Either as an invisible barrier, something that requires a team effort, or simply, if a strong enough caracter is running full tilt into the tunnel with it, it breaks, loudly, and obnoxiously, showering those following in splinters.
Feeling the frustration here guys, hard break indeed. Maybe the DM has a reason for that wall, guess you will figure it out eventually.
Robert's sad look is the embodiment of every GM.
Spot on.
Now we need a video of Vivian the oracle waiting for the adventures.
OMG yes!! 😂😂😂
How about one with Vivian the Oracle sleeping in while the party trudges away in the background with a note next to her bed reminding her that the adventurers will be there tomorrow :P
This happened to my group and we fled the city only to find out from a note delivered by an arrow we need back in. Go around 45 minutes or try to get over a 15 foot wall with no cover around. I had a robe of many things and made a window, we went through the wall. The DM said it was a frustrating and proud moment all in one.
This story should get a part 2. Where they return back to the tavern and somehow Rowan decides to use the ladder for something totally irrelevant :) Btw your DND videos are always so awesome to watch.
Don’t you just hate it when forget your carrying a 50 pound metal ladder ugh so annoying.
The worst part is now they are blaming the DM for not giving them a way through.
@@theredeft5319Isn't his fault Rowan's die rolls suck.
The wonderful world of AD&D
The ambiguous material ladder returns! 😂❤
It's wood though, but yeah.
With Rowans luck the ladder would have disintegrated as soon as he saw it
It's not a video game. It's DnD logic
@@babilon6097 Some bad shits can still happen, that's DnD after all
@@yabokuyukimura2646 Hmmm... a perception check of 1. Critical failure. Frustrated GM: "You look around so hard that you smash THE LADDER that you were carrying against the tree". Rowan "I was not carrying my ladder against the tree...!"
@@babilon6097 You finally find the ladder in your inventory but fails to see that it's infected by termites.
@@yabokuyukimura2646 Why would Termites appear as a result of Rowans action?
Good God this takes me back to one of my most formative D&D experiences ages ago, in 1st-edition days. The party had just been savaged by a black dragon. One of the players took a final look over his character sheet before tearing it up and exclaimed "Oh crap, I had a potion of black dragon control." This sort of thing has been my pet peeve ever since, and as a DM you realize that it happens ALL THE FREAKIN TIME.
Ah, the Ladder of Forgetting. Nearly as useful as the Ring of Plot Avoidance.
I like how Rowan is always the dumbest in every video
When Briaryon isn‘t around
That’s so true
Not really. DND logic season one, he was the Rule Lawyer character which is in one perspective, the most prepared/intelligent member of the team.
@@beliotrednar1611 The biggest crap in the team
The only videos where Rowan isn't the dumbest one is when he is arguing with Ben about gaming logic 😂 Even though Ben is always right it never makes any sense 😆 Pocket horse, really? Path blocked by a small log? Eat the vial like a NORMAL PERSON! 😂
I think it's more impressive that NO ONE ELSE saw the massive ladder Rowan was carrying either. Poor DM.
Love the continuity with the ladder. The mystery of the last episode is finally explained!
Literally had a party do this....
They encountered a vampire's lair, and decided to go do research on how best to defeat vampires [yes, it was a week's trudge back to town, but they already had enough loot to justify the walk].
After a thorough investigation into vampire's capabilities and vulnerabilities, they decided they needed a way to create "sunlight" - a light bright enough to stun or kill the vampires outright. They began to scour the local magical shops and sources for something like a wand or a scroll that would give them the upper hand, not really sure if such a thing existed. Again, after much investigation, they came to the conclusion that what they really needed was a Wand of Illumination, which has a "Sunburst" effect. Return to the shops again, and spend much time and energy trying to locate where such a wand might be.
Then, one of them looks through his inventory for something else, and says "Oh, well, look at that, sitting at the bottom of my bag of holding...."
My soul cried when I saw those dice land on ground.
Rowan should have hit the other guys when turning with the ladder, like on the Monty Pythons Hollywood bowl show :)
As a DM, even if he'd thrown a 1, I would have decided like this: "While you investigate, you suddenly lose balance and crash head first in the dust, you receive 4 damage and you realise, that you were carrying a ladder all the time, which caused your fall, when it got tangled on a branch"
"maybe just go through and list the items you took, and maybe someone else will be able to think of a use for one of them that you've overlooked"
Poor Rob probably went to bang his head against this wall. Hold on, mate 😆
Maybe that will break the wall down? 😂
@@VivaLaDirtLeague I guess this is the only way to break the wall down 😅
@@kathrina3339It's either that, or punch it. You know, like a normal person.
Maybe making intelligence their dump stat wasn't such a smart idea after all.
Especially funny since I'm pretty sure Ben is a wizard here.
In 5e, that's everybody.
I went to the comments to see how many were going skip past the comedic exaggeration and instead argue about how the players should have seen the ladder. Was not disappointed.
He didn’t see the ladder in his inventory because Rowan has epic complex names for each item and he can’t remember what half of them even are.
I love how even the alan, adam and ben doesn't see that rowan does hold a ladder.
Well they can't, it's in his inventory. They can't see his items period
@@WhisperDeathray Yes, but the joke of these videos is to show how daft many D&D concepts are in the real world (such as having an inventory that can contain a ladder (and make it zero size (and make it weightless (and make it invisible )))).
Yeah, but they could do perception checks too and see that Rowan is carrying it.
@@brianstraight9308 except I don't think this is an option. Other players can't see others inventory (until owners volunteraly gives this possibility). And any other action will actually be less role play.
@@maksymisaiev1828 Depends on how we want to look it this. Is Rowan actually physically carrying the ladder to the point where it's obviously present (making perception checks unnecessary) or is it stuffed in a Bag of Holding where he can "forget" he has it as a character and the other characters not knowing he has it (other than maybe remembering him putting it in the BoH?) If he's actually walking around with it on his shoulder (and the DM has been letting him get away with this by constantly reminding him by having him do agility checks) then the other characters should be able to percieve this to the point of rolling dice is pointless. He's carrying a ladder on his shoulder thus isn't something you need to "percieve" anymore than needing to "percieve" the ground to stay walking on it.
Yes, there's keeping the players "in the game" and having these things on their mind but the DM is obviously frustrated at the loss of the dungeon crawl he had set up. He could have used the power of being DM to tell Rowan above the table. "You have a ladder!"
And Rowan's dice obviously hate him.
Reminds me of Baradun carrying the displacer beast pelt and Bob's crate of potatoes.
Poor Vivian the Oracle...
I hope she gets a chance to show up another time soon.
They are standing in a military camp in a forest; there are enough supplies to build a ladder, a ramp, or even just something you can scale, like putting a tree against the wall.
Inexperienced DM: "ooh, the party found the specific item they'll need later! Thank goodness! They'll be so happy they have that a couple sessions from now!"
Forgetting stuff in his horse pocket, oh easy
I love Rob just tearing out the whole section and leaving it behind
Rowan's "IRL" character bringin the d4 brain to a d20 game, oh man...
The face Adam makes when Ben mentions Animal Friendship to a druid 😂
I like that when they walk away they walk below ropes between trees, must have all failed their perception checks
Man I love this series. So much truth delivered so painfully for anyone who's ever crawled a dungeon with friends around a table
I LOVE Adam at the end :D You never see him get pissed like this.
Also, he's right. Because he takes notes!
I was fully expecting rob to wave his hand in a circular motion doing some "DM Magic" while saying:
"OH LOOK, You notice a little hole in the wall just big enough for you".
Just so they can continue :D
I was expecting that plus a "except you rowan I am going to need an acrobatics check"
"how should I know speak with plants wouldn't work on the guard?". Sadly, many a dnd player has met that level of sadness.
@AlexConroy2003. And yet, "Speak with Plants," worked on the guy in a coma in an adventure I played 🙃
@@sebastiancoar1991 He was obviously a vegetable at that time.
At a time when I’m broken down with sadness from losing my grandfather, you guys really brighten my day a little. Thank you.
I love when Ben said Animal Friendship and Adam was just gesturing to his druid robes lmao I love it
If he tried to place the ladder he would just get an error for object obstruction.
Fellow KCD fan, Jesus Christ be praised
Make the plant guy bend a tree. lol
I love how in this new DND universe Rowan again is the one forgetting everything 😂 Rowan, the always forgetful in all worlds of the metaverse
This made me think of how to more easily keep an overview of inventory items. In most games inventory isn't a long list of nouns with descriptions: it's images. Perhaps, if a player has difficulty recalling useful items, doodling a small image of it on the side of the item name might make it easier to jog the memory.
I would do that, but I know I'd probably make a whole deal out of it because I love drawing "in game" items...
Adam: How was I supposed to know that Speak With Plants wouldn't work on a FLESH AND BONE GUARD?
Flesh - like plant flesh!
Did they have leaves sprouting from anywhere on them?
Be fair: the guards were planted in the entrance.
Still not plants
I know this was for the lols but for anyone who doesn't know you don't have to ask for a roll. If the adventure hinges upon its success and failure is just going to leave everyone frustrated and spinning their wheels you can give them a narrative penalty and just move things along. Rowan's character isn't an idiot (I assume) so even if the player forgets they've got some vital bit of gear, social contact, ability or what have you you can always remind them of their options. It isn't always hilarious to watch the party fail to open a door for an hour
This is my FAVORITE take of d&d content. I would love a full feature length story told this way.
That bit of argument of Rowan and Ben, classic Rowan and Ben moment
This is DM 101 level shit, if you are going to put a barrier in the way of progression you have to plan for the party failing to bypass it. A locked door, great, they fail to pick it and fail to break it... whatever plan C is... just works end of story or else: it's end of story. These sorts of checks and tests and challenges exist to allow characters to show off both their creativity and the varied strengths of their characters not to stop progression. The solution to this one is real simple, the party takes too long, enemies arrive, there is a fight, the then dead enemies either leave something that helps, tell the party something or their avenue of attack reveals something crucial.
Basically, if you want the party to find a secret door and they can't; put an assassin behind it.
For doors - our group once had plan D for Dieterich. No, not the german word for lockpicks, a very strong dwarf named Dieterich with a heavy weapon. Suptle as a dwarf but it worked
I like these "live action with the dm" videos. And I've run games with people who couldn't roll their way out of a wet paper bag to save their lives, so I feel Rob's pain, too.
A good DM advice I can give you is the concept of falling forward.
Like make the ladder get stuck in the branches or spice things up with some comedy like, Rowan accidentally bumbs one other player with the ladder on his shoulder as he looks around to find a way over the wall, etc.
I know that this is a comedy sketch, but I encountered this scenario so many times that it might help someone someday.
Amazing work! Thank you all!
I hate this series D&D, please bring back the Epic NPC and continue the awesome techtown episodes we love them
Many of us enjoy the DnD videos, which is why they keep making more. Epic NPC and Techtown haven't been cancelled, you just need to wait for more episodes.
To each his own. I love this and the Epic NPC Man (miss its outro though).
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And that’s when the DM, who is ticked off that he will have to lose all of this story that he prepped just tells the player that he has a ladder
DM: A heavy wind picks up *WOOSH* and you hear a creaking sound *CREEAAK*. Suddenly you hear a groan *ERRRR*, followed by smaller snapping, cracking, and popping sounds *SNAP, CRACKLE, POP*! You see a dead tree start to fall towards the wall *THUMP*, it seems it happened to be tall enough to reach the top, it also happens to be sturdy and slanted enough for you to use it to climb up. How do you proceed?
Party: We use the tree to climb up the wall.
DM: You climb to the top of the wall, but the sound from the tree falling had brought a guard (or a few depending on what the party can handle) over to investigate and they see you have used it to get in, roll for initiative. (DM saves come with consequences, but also save any story essential content)
Roll for dexterity. Pass. You manage to turn around smoothly, without either dropping the ladder you are carrying, or 3 stooging it into anyone.
Oh man, this is literally me. The rogue who has the skillset and inventory to be prepared for any situation, but then I somehow either lack the memory or creativity to use any of that on the spot.
Every piece of torn paper if also a little piece of DM's soul.
Dunno about D&D, but in GURPS, the first rule is, that the story is above all the other rules.
GM: "Lemme see here, if something happens, rollll..." *3* "18! ...Rowan trips accidentally and drops the ladder he's carrying on his back!"
He should have said "I tried Speak with plants spell because I thought the guard was a vegetable"
When carrying a 10' pole was something players used to do (first edition Advanced D&D), a lot of players ended up forgetting that they had it on them. Imagine trying to walk in a dungeon with a 10' pole, with twisty 3' wide corridors....
Polearms where also a well liked item. Untill a GM who also was a reenactor got his from the cellar and asked the player to wield it in the entry way...
The good thing about unused places is that that can appear later on.
I'm going to agree with Adam about him being the best D&D player. He takes notes, knows what his abilities are, and gets involved with the role playing
Thank you 🤩
I’ll never forget trying to get a blind npc to find the guard keys on the floor for 35 mins !
Thanks as always for the DMs out there we love you! We need a holiday for DMs
So Rowan now has to hold this ladder for the next at least 3 episodes and then in the final episode notice it and question where the heck it came from.
We've all been there, Rob.
These are almost more DM venting skits than D&D Logic, and I'm 100% here for it.
Had a session like this once. The party ended up landing in a new universe somewhere on an island, and we spent the whole ~5 hour session that evening figuring out how to laboriously construct a ship to half-assedly get us to somewhere with civilization on it. Upon finally reaching land, one of the guys says "Alright, now that we're here, I'll do some scouting. I pull out my backpack Ornitho-SON OF A...". He'd basically had a foldup helicopter in his backpack the whole time.
This is why you need to always remember:
Never ask a player to roll for something you aren't prepared for them to fail
Cuz that's when the entire party will be physically unable to roll above a 5
im guessing if Rowan had any modifiers that impacted his investigation and perception, they'd be negatives anyway. So he probably rolled like a 1 and a minus 2
Pretty sure there's a fair number of DMs who'd see "2" and say "You're so unperceptive you wouldn't notice an orc farting in your face, but even you can't help but notice the giant, heavy LADDER you've been carrying for the last ten miles."
I love how they show the DM standing beside them talking.
Love to see Adam rocking a tattoo!