Something i shouldve also mentioned with both profs in scarlet and violet, the past and future paradoxes gave me some trouble. Not knowing the typings was hard lol.
That’s a good point that gets blown over when discussing other difficult battles. Like people try to gloss over the Whitney battle now and say that you can just get a Machop or heracross to handle her easily, but the first time you battled her, you had no idea what was coming and probably didn’t spend a lot of time hunting trees and searching out the trade.
@@JeremyLeaton912 yeah, I had caught a Geodude and boxed him. Had to get him out and level him to like 30 til he learned Rollout, then let him evolve to take care of that blasted cow in Silver...
@@FutureOverYou and as a kid, you get really immersed in the games. I remember always being scared going into the gym fights because the gym trainers would hype them up so much lol
I always liked how Ghetsis's Hydreigon has max-powered Frustration. It really fits lore-wise, and I always imagined just Ghetsis feeding only herbs to his pokemon rather than food
It was so nice seeing Iono’s Mismagius on this list. Definitely one I saw people struggle with if they weren’t prepared. I loved your choices for this video though! Every choice seemed incredibly well thought out and researched too. Love your content!
@@mattbridges4223 The thing is. That unless you break sequencing. Your options are going to be limited. The rematch was easier mainly because i could reliably field an entire six mon team to counter Iono.
I overleveled a dugtrio and it learned the move Gravity but i used it on the second pokemon so i would last to her last pokemon on her team and that is how i defeated her easily
Volo's Giratina... has a high action count so it can attack your team once or twice a turn, is very bulky, and essentially has a free revival blessing when you knock out the Altered Forme... thing was a menace
Sada’s Roaring Moon was terrifying, but I managed to OHKO it with a Tera Play Rough from a Fidough. I actually had more issues with Flutter Mane in her team, and Turo’s Iron Valiant in Violet
Evice in general is one of the toughest battles in Pokemon, probably second to Cynthia. His entire team just screams dangerous and I can definitely remember having trouble with both his Scizor and Salamence, as soon as they pop-off Dragon Dance or Silver Wind/Swords Dance it can lead to an instant team sweep. You are so right about the Slowking/Slaking combo though, the first time I saw that work there was no coming back - take down the Slowking as soon as it appears!
I remeber clearing that game overnight just to get the pokemon previously not available I'm gen 3. That skill swap with the Slacking fucked me all the way up man.
Honestly, compared to Cynthia Evice is way harder imo. You have to take the rest of their respective games into the mix. Colosseum gives you 40 pokemon at most to build your team whereas Pokemon dp where cynthia is arguably more difficult than platinum, lets you have a choice from over a 100 in the regional dex. Also, level curve, if you aren‘t heavily grinding then Evice on average will be at least 10 levels higher than you. Couple that with your rather poor choices of pokemon then you are f-ed. Not to mention that you also have the stress of catching a shadow t-tar. Cynthia very much can be cheesed through multiple ways.
@@saikanji9570nthia in the remakes when her team now has meta items and better abilities. Struggled way harder with that fight then any other compared to evice and maybe sada (I try to play on set mode no healing items inside battles)
Greevil in XD also deserves a mention for hardest battle. He has a whole team of shadow pokemon plus that shadow lugia fight before that stuff is just cheating
At least you gave Whitney’s miltank an honourable mention because it’s the very monstrosity that makes Whitney the toughest gym leader in the johto games and I speak from experience because she kicked both mine and my older brother’s butts about a hundred times each when we were kids
She was rough as a kid, as an adult she's always super easy. Having a firm understanding of the game mechanics makes her pretty trivial. My last playthrough I was underleveled, but my croconaw was still faster than Miltank. Taught him fury cutter and he just KOd first because fury cutter damage got to start building before rollout. Machop destroys miltank. Onyx can screech miltank 2 times before fainting usually and let another member clean up. Lots of ways to make that fight super easy. But yea, Whitney whooped my butt up and down a few times as a kid.
@@RyanNash20 I suppose the real key to beating Whitney is knowing how the game works and can mean the difference between having a johto nuzlocke (for those of you who do nuzlockes which I will never do) end at Whitney or continue past and beyond Whitney
As a kid, the 2 Johto fights I remember struggling with were Jasmine and Claire. Jasmine probably had me wiping more than any other gym in any Pokémon game I've played. But as a kid, I was also pretty much just using my starter that was way overleveled since it took every fight, bruteforcing the game. Like, I remember always having my starter at its final evolution against Whitney around lvl.36, pretty much 1-2 shotting the Miltank, then going on to outspeed and 1-2 shot all of Morty's mons right after. Wasn't until Jasmine that the single overleveled Pokémon started to struggle, between steel being a weird type to encounter in early gen 2 and all the paralysis spam in her gym. I've never played the more modern games, but I imagine they're a bit more challenging to the point you can't just take every fight with your starter, end up outleveling opponents by 20 levels by the 3rd gym and continue to steamroll the game. Pretty sure my starter was 65 or something when getting to the Elite Four in Gold as a kid, who all had Pokémon in the 40s. The game kind of hits a lull where it feels like you're fighting enemies in the 20s and 30s for 80% of it. Which in retrospect I think is to pace it in a way where you can organically level up a team.
I've had my fair share of aces on the teams I've used over the past 25 years. Blastoise, Blaziken, Krookodile, Corviknight, and Honchkrow are just a few. They definitely came in clutch for me.
6:37 you can actually use the togepi that you get from the egg in the beginning. It won't be easy, but it's normal typing means it wont' be affected by Shadow Ball. That or you can use Noctowl, who also happens to have Confusion. I choose Togepi because it had extrasensory
You continue to keep pumping out content. The sheer amount is impressive. You have earned a break and I’m sure your community will support it if you had a vacation/break.
Whats funny about Morty in Gen 4 is that Noctowl is basically an instant win condition against Gengar. Shadow Ball and Hypnosis have no effect since Noctowl is a Normal Type with Insomniac, and Mean Look literally doesn't matter, which means if you just stall out 5 turns of Sucker Punch Morty's Gengar cannot touch you.
I feel like you definitely should have made mention of Iris' Haxorus. Focus Sash + Dragon Dance makes it just as hard to deal with as Cynthia's Garchomp if you're not prepared.
I was able to beat it with a couple of Outrages from my Haxorus, though. 1. Thanks to my Haxorus being a little faster than hers, I was able to launch an Outrage. 2. I let the Focus Sash activate, then let her use Dragon Dance one time 3. Iris will use a Full Restore, due to a low amount of health 4. Since restoration and using a “powering up” move can leave you as an easy target, my Haxorus just simply finishes it off with one final Outrage She does sometimes have a tendency to use Outrage herself, though, but at least my Haxorus can withstand the attack.
@@jonahdengler3858 Yeah, in practice, the AI kind of screws the strategy with her Haxorus over, but this video mostly looked at how difficult they are on paper anyway. Besides, just because an ace Pokemon has counters, doesn't make it any less of a threat.
Since my first Pokémon game was Silver given to me with a gameboy color for my 8th birthday, the aces I remember are from nostalgia. Whitney’s Miltank, Morty’s Gengar with hypnosis/dream eater, and Claire’s Kingdra with surf. I always picked Cyndaquil for my starter and did the classic young player move of ONLY using and raising my starter so certain gyms gave me a lot of trouble.
I've definitely had my fair share of aces on my team. They usually end up being Pokemon I never would have expected. Leafeon and Empoleon and stand outs for me. 🌟
Generally my ace is my starter in like 99% of my playthroughs, but there are two notable exceptions - Lucario in Black 2, and Azumarill in Violet. However, there are some pokemons that werent my aces, but were notable parts of my team when i never expected them to be. I think the best example is Vivillon - an early route bug, only 411 BST, you dont expect much from that thing, right? Well... Flying Tera, Compound Eyes and Hurricane. If it hits, you better have Sturdy, otherwise you die. But i think one of my most satisfying moments in Pokemon was defeating the totem Kommo-o with a Ribombee. I know, it is quad weak to Fairy. But one shotting a giant fearsome punching dragon using a tiny cute bee-like bug is something special.
one more honorable mention for me is Winona's Altaria, as it really is on a different level than all her other Pokemon and a huge menace to anybody that doesn't come in with a well prepared game-plan
@@jamiewalsh3349 Oh I figure it wouldn't take you ALL the way back but I was wondering if it would be before or after the elevator since that's a long sequence with a lot of exposition.
Something I wish people would bring up when talking about Falkner's Pidgeotto is that it's actually a reference to Pokemon Yellow, where you could catch a level 9 Pidgeotto.
I was still able to beat Cynthia’s Garchomp with my own in Shining Pearl during the rematch. It was able to take it out with Dragon Rush and withstand its Swords Dance/Dragon Claw combo with the power of affection and friendship, leaving it with one HP.
Love the list, Roaring is my favorite paradox and one of the reasons I chose Scarlet over Violet. I would also include Volo's Giratina, but not sure if it counts at it is outside usual six Pokemon team.
I don't know if you would count this or not, but Volo sending out Giratina after narrowly defeating his Cynthia team had my jaw hit the floor. After grinding a bit more to beat it, only to have it COME BACK TO LIFE nearly made me cry. It was amazing. Took me four tries to beat him. Hardest final boss since Gale of Darkness.
Something even scarier about Roaring Moon--it's untrained. The time machine just pulled it from the past. Meaning this is just a regular creature wandering around in the world that got randomly nabbed. No wonder she feared her creator's plan would destroy Paldea if it's unleashing beasts like that around!
Looking at its stats and moveset, I can see why Roaring Moon would be considered stronger than Garchomp, though in all honesty my experience facing the former is obscured due to the fact that in my first run of SV, I made a mockery of it by using Azumarill.
7:17 You have no idea how much of a massive help this one simple sentence is going to be for me. I've been working on a project of renumbering the National Pokédex to consolidate cross-generational evolutionary lines and make each regional Dex more closely follow the geography and encounter order of its region and there are some placements I've spent hours agonizing over because there's no ideal place to put them. This sentence clears up the much bigger issue I've been wrestling with, though - why I would follow the narrative path for each region when I'm trying to be story-agnostic with the placements as much as possible. For example, why am I delaying water encounters until after the player has acquired the better fishing rods or Surf and not just assuming they have those tools and abilities from the beginning? And there's the answer. It's more than just a version of the Pokédex that academics like the Pokémon professors might actually publish that I'm making; it's also a Gym guide. There are still a few places where I'll have to tweak certain encounter orders but it is going to get so much easier approaching it like this.
I'm so glad Ghetsis's Hydreigon is on this list. However I was wondering why Rainbow Rocket Giovanni's Mega Mewtwo Y in Ultra Moon was not on this list. It literally creamed half of my team due to me not having Hydreigon or another good Dark type Pokemon on my team.
6:45 Oh man... where do I start? I was very lucky with my pokemon that I had. I caught a HootHoot. - It has insomnia as it's ability. Hypnosis cannot do anything. - Normal type. Shadow Ball cannot do anything. It could only hurt me with sucker punch but it only has 5PP. HootHoot's only attacking move was Peck and it won lol Moves my HootHoot had: Foresight, Reflect, Hypnosis and Peck.
I enjoy all your videos mystic and can’t wait for your next one, for Whitney’s miltank all i have to say is “may you choke on sour milk from your own udders” to quote Chuggaconroy
In HG SS, another answer for Morty's Ganger is a normal type with a non-attacking move. You can pp stall sucker punch for 5 moves and then it can't touch your pokemon for any damage.
4:02 What I tell people is get your hands on an Eevee evolve it into Jolteon you are able to do this before Iono you have to go to the area that has the bombirdier titan and grab a thunderstone Tera normal Jolteon and water absorb Clodsire dominate Iono
Great list but i think that Iris’ haxorous should be somewhere up there. Sure there are ways to get around it but D Dance + focus sash and i think it’s the best sweeper in the game.
I’ve had a lot of aces on my teams over the years but my favorite was my HeartGold Ace a Lonely Nature Pidgeot with the moves Pluck, Return, Mud Slap, Feather Dance
I wish they'd give slaking a new ability like moxie or something which would fit because as a parent if someone messes with your baby you're going to get violent lol and when slaking has this ability instead of laying down it should stand up, postured like a gorilla. It's my favorite evolution line because they resemble the family unit. Slakoth being the helpless baby that needs raised, vigoroth being the wild teenager and slaking being the parent. Slaking has so much potential to be amazing gameplay and visually wise
Bro, i dont care how much you “mess up” in this video. I didnt get past the ad yet as im typing, but keep going! No matter how it goes, dont stop and have fun brother!
If I'm being honest, Morty's Gengar in HGSS was never a challenge, primarily because I use Togepi, and even at low level, Togepi still managed to take out Gengar with Sweet Kiss, followed by Extrasensory. And somehow, Morty never got the idea to use Hypnosis to somehow keep me from shutting him out. He'd just spam Shadow Ball even though it doesn't affect Togepi, and his Sucker Punch ran out of uses before he could get the KO on me. Hard to believe my Togepi, which was practically half Gengar's level, managed to secure what my Quilava just couldn't do.
I like that you at least mentioned Whitney's miltank, but I believe it should've been on the list at least in top 5, but only for gen 2 and not gen 4. The gen 2 npc RNG was absolutely busted. Even with a Machop this fight is entirely luck based and I couldn't tell you how many times I've lost to her growing up. Paralysis from stomp, being infatuated, and miltank just overall being tanky even if you do get a hit off, it's just an absolute rage inducing fight.
Cynthia's Garchomp i think still take the cake and I would've put Lenora's Watchog and Whitney's milktank in the top 5. glad they got honoral mentions.
Could be interesting to see a list of Aces that weren’t (ie Pokémon that could have been powerful aces but the trainer/developer let them down with subpar moves/ability, story timing).
I almost always chose totodile as a starter so i never really had an issue with mortys gym or gengar it was more the gym puzzle that i had problems with
I’ve never played scarlet and violet so I can’t say I have ever battled number one, but I can say with absolute certainty that if you aren’t overleveled before fighting Cynthia, your first turn may be you only chance to attack.
I remember one of my platinum play throughs I used attract with my male garchomp for some odd reason and absolutely creamed hers. She could do nothing but swoon over my bladeedge while he boosted up with swords dance and wiped her out without one hit
I’d say honerable mentions for me would be Elisas Zebatrika, cause unless you have a drilber or overleved krokorok your screwed cause it loves to volt switch with the Emolgas. And also Fantinas Mismagius in platinum where I genuinely think there’s no counters for it. That thing took me months to beat as a kid lol
I dealt with Ghetsis' Hydreigon with a Leavanny. Yeah, that little weak bug, you encounter early on in the game, can make a draconic end game threat its plaything.
Something i shouldve also mentioned with both profs in scarlet and violet, the past and future paradoxes gave me some trouble. Not knowing the typings was hard lol.
understandable lmao
That’s a good point that gets blown over when discussing other difficult battles. Like people try to gloss over the Whitney battle now and say that you can just get a Machop or heracross to handle her easily, but the first time you battled her, you had no idea what was coming and probably didn’t spend a lot of time hunting trees and searching out the trade.
I dealt with Gengar by sleeping it with Noctowl and than Confusioned it down with Smoochum
@@JeremyLeaton912 yeah, I had caught a Geodude and boxed him. Had to get him out and level him to like 30 til he learned Rollout, then let him evolve to take care of that blasted cow in Silver...
@@FutureOverYou and as a kid, you get really immersed in the games. I remember always being scared going into the gym fights because the gym trainers would hype them up so much lol
After watching your last video, just wanted to reiterate how much we all appreciate you Mystic.
I really appreciate this comment. Thank you for the kind words.
@@MysticUmbreon take a rest if you need it.
They're right. We all love your content. Small mistakes aren't gonna hurt any of us
Agreed!
I always liked how Ghetsis's Hydreigon has max-powered Frustration. It really fits lore-wise, and I always imagined just Ghetsis feeding only herbs to his pokemon rather than food
And he probably doesn't take enough steps to get any friendship from walking
@@moblinmajorgeneral he probably gets carried
Yeah Ghetsis is definitely a vegan
@@honguyenhoaibao3676yeah thats why his hair is green
@@darkrom8439 Just like Tropius, he grows his own nourishment
It was so nice seeing Iono’s Mismagius on this list. Definitely one I saw people struggle with if they weren’t prepared. I loved your choices for this video though! Every choice seemed incredibly well thought out and researched too. Love your content!
I was prepared and i still had problems with Iono. Of course that was mostly due to back luck. As Iono took out my counter for Mismagius by chance.
I disagree, it has paper physical defences
@@mattbridges4223 The thing is. That unless you break sequencing. Your options are going to be limited. The rematch was easier mainly because i could reliably field an entire six mon team to counter Iono.
@@aliastheabnormal There's definitely a stronger option out of 8 gym leaders over 10+ games
I overleveled a dugtrio and it learned the move Gravity but i used it on the second pokemon so i would last to her last pokemon on her team and that is how i defeated her easily
Volo's Giratina... has a high action count so it can attack your team once or twice a turn, is very bulky, and essentially has a free revival blessing when you knock out the Altered Forme... thing was a menace
Legendaries are banned in his list
Had me shook but I managed
I will fight him tomorrow, I made my team based on a analyze on how Cynthia team works, whish me luck
Sada’s Roaring Moon was terrifying, but I managed to OHKO it with a Tera Play Rough from a Fidough. I actually had more issues with Flutter Mane in her team, and Turo’s Iron Valiant in Violet
Evice in general is one of the toughest battles in Pokemon, probably second to Cynthia. His entire team just screams dangerous and I can definitely remember having trouble with both his Scizor and Salamence, as soon as they pop-off Dragon Dance or Silver Wind/Swords Dance it can lead to an instant team sweep. You are so right about the Slowking/Slaking combo though, the first time I saw that work there was no coming back - take down the Slowking as soon as it appears!
I remeber clearing that game overnight just to get the pokemon previously not available I'm gen 3.
That skill swap with the Slacking fucked me all the way up man.
Honestly, compared to Cynthia Evice is way harder imo.
You have to take the rest of their respective games into the mix. Colosseum gives you 40 pokemon at most to build your team whereas Pokemon dp where cynthia is arguably more difficult than platinum, lets you have a choice from over a 100 in the regional dex. Also, level curve, if you aren‘t heavily grinding then Evice on average will be at least 10 levels higher than you. Couple that with your rather poor choices of pokemon then you are f-ed. Not to mention that you also have the stress of catching a shadow t-tar. Cynthia very much can be cheesed through multiple ways.
Cynthia wasn't too hard of a fight
Evice is a nightmare
@@saikanji9570nthia in the remakes when her team now has meta items and better abilities. Struggled way harder with that fight then any other compared to evice and maybe sada (I try to play on set mode no healing items inside battles)
Greevil in XD also deserves a mention for hardest battle.
He has a whole team of shadow pokemon plus that shadow lugia fight before that stuff is just cheating
At least you gave Whitney’s miltank an honourable mention because it’s the very monstrosity that makes Whitney the toughest gym leader in the johto games and I speak from experience because she kicked both mine and my older brother’s butts about a hundred times each when we were kids
She was rough as a kid, as an adult she's always super easy. Having a firm understanding of the game mechanics makes her pretty trivial. My last playthrough I was underleveled, but my croconaw was still faster than Miltank. Taught him fury cutter and he just KOd first because fury cutter damage got to start building before rollout. Machop destroys miltank. Onyx can screech miltank 2 times before fainting usually and let another member clean up. Lots of ways to make that fight super easy.
But yea, Whitney whooped my butt up and down a few times as a kid.
@@RyanNash20 I suppose the real key to beating Whitney is knowing how the game works and can mean the difference between having a johto nuzlocke (for those of you who do nuzlockes which I will never do) end at Whitney or continue past and beyond Whitney
It gave me trouble as a kid as well. But as I got older i figured out the strats.
Claire's kingdra was a pain thanks to its typing .
As a kid, the 2 Johto fights I remember struggling with were Jasmine and Claire. Jasmine probably had me wiping more than any other gym in any Pokémon game I've played. But as a kid, I was also pretty much just using my starter that was way overleveled since it took every fight, bruteforcing the game. Like, I remember always having my starter at its final evolution against Whitney around lvl.36, pretty much 1-2 shotting the Miltank, then going on to outspeed and 1-2 shot all of Morty's mons right after. Wasn't until Jasmine that the single overleveled Pokémon started to struggle, between steel being a weird type to encounter in early gen 2 and all the paralysis spam in her gym.
I've never played the more modern games, but I imagine they're a bit more challenging to the point you can't just take every fight with your starter, end up outleveling opponents by 20 levels by the 3rd gym and continue to steamroll the game. Pretty sure my starter was 65 or something when getting to the Elite Four in Gold as a kid, who all had Pokémon in the 40s. The game kind of hits a lull where it feels like you're fighting enemies in the 20s and 30s for 80% of it. Which in retrospect I think is to pace it in a way where you can organically level up a team.
Hey man thank you for all the work you do. I know your a feeling tired, but know your community is behind you!
I've had my fair share of aces on the teams I've used over the past 25 years. Blastoise, Blaziken, Krookodile, Corviknight, and Honchkrow are just a few. They definitely came in clutch for me.
6:37 you can actually use the togepi that you get from the egg in the beginning. It won't be easy, but it's normal typing means it wont' be affected by Shadow Ball. That or you can use Noctowl, who also happens to have Confusion. I choose Togepi because it had extrasensory
I chose noctowl with insomnia
@@mcstrategist that's actually lowkey better. I used Togepi because I didnt want to train one up
You continue to keep pumping out content. The sheer amount is impressive. You have earned a break and I’m sure your community will support it if you had a vacation/break.
I plan on taking a small vacation in June.
@@MysticUmbreon :D
8:53 shout out to the whimsicot line being the only fairy type in unova. (natively speaking)
I'd argue the cow is the scariest pokemon from johto as an ace
I like your geniune work and that you have actually played unlike many random youtubers whose Pokemon knowledge is 💀
Whats funny about Morty in Gen 4 is that Noctowl is basically an instant win condition against Gengar. Shadow Ball and Hypnosis have no effect since Noctowl is a Normal Type with Insomniac, and Mean Look literally doesn't matter, which means if you just stall out 5 turns of Sucker Punch Morty's Gengar cannot touch you.
Amusingly in the anime, Ash's victory over Morty is almost entirely due to Noctowl.
I feel like you definitely should have made mention of Iris' Haxorus. Focus Sash + Dragon Dance makes it just as hard to deal with as Cynthia's Garchomp if you're not prepared.
I was able to beat it with a couple of Outrages from my Haxorus, though.
1. Thanks to my Haxorus being a little faster than hers, I was able to launch an Outrage.
2. I let the Focus Sash activate, then let her use Dragon Dance one time
3. Iris will use a Full Restore, due to a low amount of health
4. Since restoration and using a “powering up” move can leave you as an easy target, my Haxorus just simply finishes it off with one final Outrage
She does sometimes have a tendency to use Outrage herself, though, but at least my Haxorus can withstand the attack.
@@jonahdengler3858 Yeah, in practice, the AI kind of screws the strategy with her Haxorus over, but this video mostly looked at how difficult they are on paper anyway. Besides, just because an ace Pokemon has counters, doesn't make it any less of a threat.
What about Cynthia's perfectly competitive Garchomp from BDSP
Since my first Pokémon game was Silver given to me with a gameboy color for my 8th birthday, the aces I remember are from nostalgia. Whitney’s Miltank, Morty’s Gengar with hypnosis/dream eater, and Claire’s Kingdra with surf. I always picked Cyndaquil for my starter and did the classic young player move of ONLY using and raising my starter so certain gyms gave me a lot of trouble.
Yooo glad you made a video right away. Hands down one of my top 2 favorite pokemon content creators. Will always watch my dude
I've definitely had my fair share of aces on my team.
They usually end up being Pokemon I never would have expected.
Leafeon and Empoleon and stand outs for me. 🌟
Generally my ace is my starter in like 99% of my playthroughs, but there are two notable exceptions - Lucario in Black 2, and Azumarill in Violet.
However, there are some pokemons that werent my aces, but were notable parts of my team when i never expected them to be. I think the best example is Vivillon - an early route bug, only 411 BST, you dont expect much from that thing, right? Well... Flying Tera, Compound Eyes and Hurricane. If it hits, you better have Sturdy, otherwise you die.
But i think one of my most satisfying moments in Pokemon was defeating the totem Kommo-o with a Ribombee. I know, it is quad weak to Fairy. But one shotting a giant fearsome punching dragon using a tiny cute bee-like bug is something special.
For me, my non-starter aces were Staraptor in D/P, Chanderlure in B/W, Azumarill in ORAS, and Dugtrio in R/B (and probably a couple more).
@@ge789 awesome!
Was hoping to see Clay’s Excadrill somewhere on here, but there are a lot of great aces to choose from! Great list!
one more honorable mention for me is Winona's Altaria, as it really is on a different level than all her other Pokemon and a huge menace to anybody that doesn't come in with a well prepared game-plan
Oh boy ... If Juan and Kingdra are tenth, then you outta know that this list is gonna be stacked!
The first time I lost to Sada she didn't get to use Roaring Moon. Flutter Wing is what got me.
When you lose in that fight what happens? How far does it take you back? Before the elevator ride?
@@BJGvideos Yep. You don't kicked out of Area Zero. You just go back upstairs and try again
@@jamiewalsh3349 Oh I figure it wouldn't take you ALL the way back but I was wondering if it would be before or after the elevator since that's a long sequence with a lot of exposition.
Something I wish people would bring up when talking about Falkner's Pidgeotto is that it's actually a reference to Pokemon Yellow, where you could catch a level 9 Pidgeotto.
I was still able to beat Cynthia’s Garchomp with my own in Shining Pearl during the rematch. It was able to take it out with Dragon Rush and withstand its Swords Dance/Dragon Claw combo with the power of affection and friendship, leaving it with one HP.
Bit surprised Iris' Haxorus from her B2W2 champion team wasn't mentioned
Love the list, Roaring is my favorite paradox and one of the reasons I chose Scarlet over Violet.
I would also include Volo's Giratina, but not sure if it counts at it is outside usual six Pokemon team.
It doesn't count because it's a legendary.
I don't know if you would count this or not, but Volo sending out Giratina after narrowly defeating his Cynthia team had my jaw hit the floor. After grinding a bit more to beat it, only to have it COME BACK TO LIFE nearly made me cry. It was amazing. Took me four tries to beat him. Hardest final boss since Gale of Darkness.
I am surprised you didn't mention Fantina's mismagius in platinum I think it is as threatening as Iono's
Fantina's Mismagius is pretty formidable i can't lie. There were just so many choices to pick from it was hard to decide.
I really don’t think in good conscience I could put Morty’s Gengar on the list when it pretty much folds instantaneously to any normal type.
Something even scarier about Roaring Moon--it's untrained. The time machine just pulled it from the past. Meaning this is just a regular creature wandering around in the world that got randomly nabbed.
No wonder she feared her creator's plan would destroy Paldea if it's unleashing beasts like that around!
Looking at its stats and moveset, I can see why Roaring Moon would be considered stronger than Garchomp, though in all honesty my experience facing the former is obscured due to the fact that in my first run of SV, I made a mockery of it by using Azumarill.
Great video man. This video really displayed all of the powerful opponents in Pokémon.
Solid list! My only slight problem is Winona's Altaria not even in honourable mentions
Drake's and Zinnia's Salamances are also no walk in the park.
If Winty's Milktank isn't on the list then we're going to need to have a word
7:17 You have no idea how much of a massive help this one simple sentence is going to be for me. I've been working on a project of renumbering the National Pokédex to consolidate cross-generational evolutionary lines and make each regional Dex more closely follow the geography and encounter order of its region and there are some placements I've spent hours agonizing over because there's no ideal place to put them.
This sentence clears up the much bigger issue I've been wrestling with, though - why I would follow the narrative path for each region when I'm trying to be story-agnostic with the placements as much as possible. For example, why am I delaying water encounters until after the player has acquired the better fishing rods or Surf and not just assuming they have those tools and abilities from the beginning?
And there's the answer. It's more than just a version of the Pokédex that academics like the Pokémon professors might actually publish that I'm making; it's also a Gym guide. There are still a few places where I'll have to tweak certain encounter orders but it is going to get so much easier approaching it like this.
Elesa’s Zebstrika and Iris’ Haxorus both took me three tries to beat!
Clay's excadrill is super scary, but other than that i think the list was pretty accurate, nice job!!
I kept waiting for that to turn up! If you haven't got a Palpitoad, then you'd better have a better Excadrill of your own
Kinda surprised Volos giritina didn’t make the list but at least evice did I never had to many issues with his mons
He said that there wouldn't be Legendaries on the list..
Is Giratina even his ace? It's not really HIS. Togekiss is his ace.
I've just had my spotify annual wrapped. If it did youtube, you would definitely be on there 😂 loving the videos
I'm so glad Ghetsis's Hydreigon is on this list. However I was wondering why Rainbow Rocket Giovanni's Mega Mewtwo Y in Ultra Moon was not on this list. It literally creamed half of my team due to me not having Hydreigon or another good Dark type Pokemon on my team.
Legendaries were excluded from the list, that's why.
@@silversalamence10 Oh I see. Good to know that.
You had me at "Demon Cow" 😂
This was a really good listing you put together. Yeah, some of these guys are pains if you aren't as prepared as you can be for them.
Love your videos! Was binge watching yesterday so waking up to a new one today is awesome. 🎉
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Oh man... where do I start?
I was very lucky with my pokemon that I had. I caught a HootHoot.
- It has insomnia as it's ability.
Hypnosis cannot do anything.
- Normal type. Shadow Ball cannot do anything.
It could only hurt me with sucker punch but it only has 5PP.
HootHoot's only attacking move was Peck and it won lol
Moves my HootHoot had: Foresight, Reflect, Hypnosis and Peck.
I havent even watched the video yet, but I appreciate the work you do. Even in tough times, know we are all behind you!
Thank you man, I really appreciate the comment.
Honorable mention Whitney's Miltank in HGSS with Scrappy ability
I enjoy all your videos mystic and can’t wait for your next one, for Whitney’s miltank all i have to say is “may you choke on sour milk from your own udders” to quote Chuggaconroy
In HG SS, another answer for Morty's Ganger is a normal type with a non-attacking move. You can pp stall sucker punch for 5 moves and then it can't touch your pokemon for any damage.
Really expected red's Snorlax to appear somewhere. It didn't have the coverage but back in gen 2 that thing was a beast
I always wanted to get my hands on Battle Revolution
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What I tell people is get your hands on an Eevee evolve it into Jolteon you are able to do this before Iono you have to go to the area that has the bombirdier titan and grab a thunderstone
Tera normal Jolteon and water absorb Clodsire dominate Iono
Shauntel’s choice scarf chandelure broke me on my grass mono of black 2
Great list but i think that Iris’ haxorous should be somewhere up there. Sure there are ways to get around it but D Dance + focus sash and i think it’s the best sweeper in the game.
I’ve had a lot of aces on my teams over the years but my favorite was my HeartGold Ace a Lonely Nature Pidgeot with the moves Pluck, Return, Mud Slap, Feather Dance
Using Noctowl with Insomnia ability on your first try against Morty's Gengar makes him easy to beat
Love seeing another umbreon lover 😁 time to subscribe.
Love your content Mystic❤.
Also Where's Sabrina in this video?
In my opinion her alakazam is kinda scary so what's the logic behind skipping her?
What’s your go-to Ace Pokémon that isn’t a starter. Mine’s Flygon.
Dude, we all know Luvdisc is the real Ace of Juan's team
To be honest I expected Cynthia's Garchomp to be somewhere in the top 5
when i was 10 my ace was Darmanitan (not even the zen mode) and they are still my fav
While not my favourite from Gen 5, it was definitely on my team.
I would say that both Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant should be at the Number 1 Spot, given the latter's moveset in the final battle.
I wish they'd give slaking a new ability like moxie or something which would fit because as a parent if someone messes with your baby you're going to get violent lol and when slaking has this ability instead of laying down it should stand up, postured like a gorilla. It's my favorite evolution line because they resemble the family unit. Slakoth being the helpless baby that needs raised, vigoroth being the wild teenager and slaking being the parent. Slaking has so much potential to be amazing gameplay and visually wise
Soon as you started, I immediately thought of Juan and look at that, he's the 1st to be mentioned. 😂
Thanks for mentioning Iona she's a reminder that every major trainer in Scarlet and Violet are more threatening than Geeta lol
Mystic Umbreon: The Roaring Moon that Professor Sada has is absolutely deadly!
Me: I one-shotted it with a Terastillized Grimmsnarl.
We appreciate you and your hard work!
Bro, i dont care how much you “mess up” in this video. I didnt get past the ad yet as im typing, but keep going! No matter how it goes, dont stop and have fun brother!
Saw the title of this video and got triggered by Whitney’s Miltank! Great video as always!
Appreciate what you do and how hard you work. Don't forget you can take time off if you need it, burn out is real.
If I'm being honest, Morty's Gengar in HGSS was never a challenge, primarily because I use Togepi, and even at low level, Togepi still managed to take out Gengar with Sweet Kiss, followed by Extrasensory. And somehow, Morty never got the idea to use Hypnosis to somehow keep me from shutting him out. He'd just spam Shadow Ball even though it doesn't affect Togepi, and his Sucker Punch ran out of uses before he could get the KO on me.
Hard to believe my Togepi, which was practically half Gengar's level, managed to secure what my Quilava just couldn't do.
I love girafarig! I would always go around the water grab one, then proceeded to throttle Morty. Claire and Whitney were real hurdles
Normal type gyms without a fighting-type option is like swimming in shark infested waters.
I do have to mention Morty's Gengar is walled by normal types if you get past its 5 sucker punches. All you have to do is power through the sleep
Platinum was my first pokémon game at age 8 or 9 and Cynthia still gives me PTSD
Cool Castlevania reference, Mystic!
I would like to see the countdown numbers Eevee turn into something besides a Umbreon. I would love to see all the evolutions. 🙂
I like that you at least mentioned Whitney's miltank, but I believe it should've been on the list at least in top 5, but only for gen 2 and not gen 4. The gen 2 npc RNG was absolutely busted. Even with a Machop this fight is entirely luck based and I couldn't tell you how many times I've lost to her growing up. Paralysis from stomp, being infatuated, and miltank just overall being tanky even if you do get a hit off, it's just an absolute rage inducing fight.
Cynthia's Garchomp i think still take the cake and I would've put Lenora's Watchog and Whitney's milktank in the top 5. glad they got honoral mentions.
idk if its only me but only battle i am afraid of is dad gym fight in emerald, that slaking gave me nightmares for years
Great Video 👍
Winonas altaria was a nightmare !!
Could be interesting to see a list of Aces that weren’t (ie Pokémon that could have been powerful aces but the trainer/developer let them down with subpar moves/ability, story timing).
Use togetic for morty … saved me big time
I'm so used to not using bc of lack of Togekiss, but that's a decent strategy tbh.
@@MysticUmbreon I also used flaffys cotton spore to slow down gengar. That’s where togetic came in for me 😄😄
I almost always chose totodile as a starter so i never really had an issue with mortys gym or gengar it was more the gym puzzle that i had problems with
Whitney's Miltank made me cry when I was younger
There is a reason why garchomp is one of the only physical dragon types that doesn't have dragon dance and it's cause it would be too busted
Morty´s Gengar was something else, specially when your whole team is at lvl15. I manage to deal with him after buying 25 awakenings doe
Oh yeah, Sada's Roaring moon swept me multiple times
I’ve never played scarlet and violet so I can’t say I have ever battled number one, but I can say with absolute certainty that if you aren’t overleveled before fighting Cynthia, your first turn may be you only chance to attack.
6:47 or use giraffarig
9:13. Use Durant if you can
I was expecting that damn slaking to be number 1 but then I heard the Scarlet and Violet music and I remembered the roaring moon.
I remembered my first fight with Morty. I stalled for 20 turns with a Togepi since his Haunters couldn’t do anything to it.
No ace killed me more times than Whitney's Miltank back in the day. 10 year old me probably had nightmares about that pokemon.
I remember one of my platinum play throughs I used attract with my male garchomp for some odd reason and absolutely creamed hers. She could do nothing but swoon over my bladeedge while he boosted up with swords dance and wiped her out without one hit
I’d say honerable mentions for me would be Elisas Zebatrika, cause unless you have a drilber or overleved krokorok your screwed cause it loves to volt switch with the Emolgas. And also Fantinas Mismagius in platinum where I genuinely think there’s no counters for it. That thing took me months to beat as a kid lol
I dealt with Ghetsis' Hydreigon with a Leavanny. Yeah, that little weak bug, you encounter early on in the game, can make a draconic end game threat its plaything.