Some people say dont imitate the prodigys hands becuase they are so prodigy that they can do whatever they want. But in reality they sound like they sound because of their hand, posture, etc. So yes imitate them and see how your technique changes If something isn't easy to play is because you are doing it wrong, on any level
There is no right or wrong way to play the cello. There are basics and guidelines, correct. But stating that a particular way of doing something is wrong is very narrow minded. It's also not professional at all to mock other cellists, or musicians in general. In fact, it shows how insecure and frustrated you are. We can all confirm he was clearly talking about Yo-yo-ma. Fact is that Yo-yo-ma is one of the most celebrtaed cellists ever all over the workd. Meanwhile I never heard of Amit Peled till now. And that has nothing to do with who plays right and who plays wrong. It's about the music they make and how it affects us. There are tons of musicians that arguably use very strange or questionable techniques. But that doesn't matter at all. Defenitely not when you already are an established musician. People go to concerts and listen to cd's because they want to experience something. Not because we are waiting to point out all the 'wrong ways of playing'. That is just absurd. Take Mischa Maisky for example. I have absolutely no idea how he manages to play with the technique he uses or how he produces his amazing sound when I can see his body go in literally every direction. And of course youcan argue about style and interpretation. But fact is that what he does is just amazing. Same with Jeaqueline Du Pré. I don't like her way of playing or her interpretation of a lot of works. But she still plays amazing. There is just no wrong or right way to do something. I don't doubt that Amit Peled is a skilled cellist with interesting insights. But if this is his way of teaching then I'm afraid he will bring forward a generation of cellists that are very narrow minded and not open for other interpretations. As a teacher it is your responsibility to make students think, give them insights, let them develop and discover their own path. Of course there should be focus on technique. Especially when you're still a young person trying to learn the instrument. But Amit his way of teaching will limit you in a lot of ways. And before people start freaking out at me, let me assure you that I know what I'm talking about. I'm a cellist myself with a Master degree from conservatory of Paris and Berlin. Unlike Amit, I will never claim that my way of thinking and playing is the correct way. It's way bigger and more complex than that.
Couldn't agree more. Almost every wisdom of teaching of cello technique is included in this marvelous comment. Btw, CNSMDP was my dream when I was young. I know that be accepted as a Masters candidate is much harder than 1er cycle candidate, big achievment you made.
If there are basics, guidelines, correct, then there is right or wrong way(correct already mean right). Your words have contradiction in itself. I understand what you mean, for the highest level player, they all have different approach to make their own right sound. Steven isserlis has a weird thumb position posture(it need a very strong and relax ring finger), but it works for him and he make great music. However, there are methods that are more ergonomic, human motion are limited by our body. understanding the ergonomic way will definitely help all of us to find the own right sound(everyone need adjustment for their own). If everyone think there are no right or wrong way(no judgement/comparing at all), it will be just chaos, There will be no progress on the school of cello playing. No one can share their thought on youtube. Also this video is not about how to appreciate music , its about how to play cello. Its not a concert/cd. Why you think its absurd on valuing way of playing cello in this context?
5:55 But there are plenty of great cellists with that grip at specific occasions.. Because it has its own benefits. There's no one-fits-for-all method in cello playing.. However, I agree whit that this kind of unusual playing is for intermediates, not beginners.
Because Yo-Yo Ma is an easy target. He is the busiest and the most generous musician on this planet. Almost every TH-camr-Cellist is using him as a bad example or 'don't try this at home' guy, and portraying him as a clown or some kind of showman. However, despite they've never reached his level of cello playing, they never think about the reason why Yo-Yo Ma plays like that.
Almost every professional cellists hate Ma's approach of cello playing. But guess what, he has one of the most fluent, dynamic, richest sound in the history of cello playing unlike these clik-baiting cellists.
@@Dindy_lover almost every cellist hates him? Never met one. I love his playing. I don't care about perfect technique tbh. I attended to a recital of a major cello competition winner recently and found the playing boring. Perfect technique, but uninteresting.
This is one of the worst titles (and thumbnails) I've seen in a while, and from a cello channel of all channels. Unexpected. Also, while there is no doubting his experience and skill, I genuinely find this style of teaching (overall) rather narrow minded. Egotistical even. There are so many different ways of playing, learning, and so many different types of individuals, even if some basic rules do tend to benefit longevity and consistency and may help with certain techniques. Reminds me of those times of bad pedagogical approach and standards of teaching back in the day, when people forced upon you a particular way of learning or doing things because doing it your way would never work. Then (if you didn't already know), you find out there are successful cellists all around with all sorts of different kinds of approaches, directly conflicting that way that was being forced on you, some of which seem to strangely match with what you were doing at least to an extent. Having looked up some more of his teachings, and it's really quite impressive how convoluted and self-important his techniques are. Not only that, you can see him breaking his own rules, without acknowledging it. Either straight after teaching something or in some cases even before, which is a classic sign of ego centric teaching in my opinion. It creates a feeling of your teaching being just fluff, because you immediately see you can't trust this person to follow (or even really understand to begin with) their own advice. I'd argue it's a sort of "reverse engineering" approach to teaching. You don't actually know why things work for you, because you have picked up things from a little child onwards all over the place and eventually ended up with your own blend, and why they really do work is very much an individual matter. Yet, you have come to conclusions because the need for coming to conclusions arised and you worked something out. I don't mean that people necessarily do this in a dishonest way, although when you listen to his explanations for how he came up with his ideas it does unfortunately sound very pretentious and once again convoluted. But I'm sure mostly people believe themselves and believe to be honest, but if you pay a little bit of attention you quickly notice the approach is backwards. I'd liken it to confirmation bias in a way. Sure, there are things where the merits are there and statistically a certain approach is, generally speaking, more successful. And even if that is already dismissing the fact that every individual is so different, in the end it's the attitude while speaking of their methods that exposes it all. When you immediately can spot something arguable being presented as the truth, or some completely made up obscure philosophical thought presented as grounds for doing something a specific way, it all just comes crumbling down. And then, as a student, you are left with having to work around that teacher's shortcomings because they will never admit to having taken the wrong approach or even just making things up. ps. Amit Peled's pianissimo is honestly just bad and his slamming of the board is really over the top. There is clarity and then there is whatever he is doing. A few of his performances I gave a listen to also sound honestly rather whiney and flat, really lacking of any nuance. I really struggle to understand where this fella came from and how he has reached the sort of following he has.
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Some people say dont imitate the prodigys hands becuase they are so prodigy that they can do whatever they want. But in reality they sound like they sound because of their hand, posture, etc. So yes imitate them and see how your technique changes
If something isn't easy to play is because you are doing it wrong, on any level
There is no right or wrong way to play the cello. There are basics and guidelines, correct.
But stating that a particular way of doing something is wrong is very narrow minded.
It's also not professional at all to mock other cellists, or musicians in general. In fact, it shows how insecure and frustrated you are.
We can all confirm he was clearly talking about Yo-yo-ma. Fact is that Yo-yo-ma is one of the most celebrtaed cellists ever all over the workd. Meanwhile I never heard of Amit Peled till now. And that has nothing to do with who plays right and who plays wrong. It's about the music they make and how it affects us.
There are tons of musicians that arguably use very strange or questionable techniques. But that doesn't matter at all. Defenitely not when you already are an established musician.
People go to concerts and listen to cd's because they want to experience something. Not because we are waiting to point out all the 'wrong ways of playing'. That is just absurd.
Take Mischa Maisky for example. I have absolutely no idea how he manages to play with the technique he uses or how he produces his amazing sound when I can see his body go in literally every direction. And of course youcan argue about style and interpretation. But fact is that what he does is just amazing.
Same with Jeaqueline Du Pré. I don't like her way of playing or her interpretation of a lot of works. But she still plays amazing.
There is just no wrong or right way to do something.
I don't doubt that Amit Peled is a skilled cellist with interesting insights. But if this is his way of teaching then I'm afraid he will bring forward a generation of cellists that are very narrow minded and not open for other interpretations.
As a teacher it is your responsibility to make students think, give them insights, let them develop and discover their own path.
Of course there should be focus on technique. Especially when you're still a young person trying to learn the instrument.
But Amit his way of teaching will limit you in a lot of ways.
And before people start freaking out at me, let me assure you that I know what I'm talking about.
I'm a cellist myself with a Master degree from conservatory of Paris and Berlin.
Unlike Amit, I will never claim that my way of thinking and playing is the correct way. It's way bigger and more complex than that.
Couldn't agree more. Almost every wisdom of teaching of cello technique is included in this marvelous comment.
Btw, CNSMDP was my dream when I was young. I know that be accepted as a Masters candidate is much harder than 1er cycle candidate, big achievment you made.
If there are basics, guidelines, correct, then there is right or wrong way(correct already mean right). Your words have contradiction in itself.
I understand what you mean, for the highest level player, they all have different approach to make their own right sound. Steven isserlis has a weird thumb position posture(it need a very strong and relax ring finger), but it works for him and he make great music.
However, there are methods that are more ergonomic, human motion are limited by our body. understanding the ergonomic way will definitely help all of us to find the own right sound(everyone need adjustment for their own).
If everyone think there are no right or wrong way(no judgement/comparing at all), it will be just chaos, There will be no progress on the school of cello playing. No one can share their thought on youtube.
Also this video is not about how to appreciate music , its about how to play cello. Its not a concert/cd. Why you think its absurd on valuing way of playing cello in this context?
Great explanation! Thank you 👍
This is a good way to thinking it :)
Well, Yo Yo Ma's Swan is gorgeous. Jealousy is a big problem in the classical music world.
He’s not talking about Yo Yo, every good cellist knows Yo Yo’s a goat, he’s talking about the right hand contact with the frog.
5:55 But there are plenty of great cellists with that grip at specific occasions.. Because it has its own benefits. There's no one-fits-for-all method in cello playing..
However, I agree whit that this kind of unusual playing is for intermediates, not beginners.
maybe he still hasn't reached the Ma level yet to comprehend the art of holding a bow....
10 minutes of hot air
thank you so much
He’s describing Yo-yo Ma.
But Yo-yo Ma's bow hand is incredible xd
but who's this Amit guy? is he better than Ma?
Because Yo-Yo Ma is an easy target. He is the busiest and the most generous musician on this planet.
Almost every TH-camr-Cellist is using him as a bad example or 'don't try this at home' guy, and portraying him as a clown or some kind of showman.
However, despite they've never reached his level of cello playing, they never think about the reason why Yo-Yo Ma plays like that.
@@Dindy_lover Carter Brey is very well-regarded but he has always had good words for Yo-yo
@@KB1.1 Yea, I love to see that too. Those two are a long time friend since their Juilliard time.
pls make masterclass on chopin cello sonata op 65
I wonder why Amit hates Yo-yo. Although i love how Amit teaches
good for beginners.....
@@fatdoi003 everybody is a beginner at some point
Almost every professional cellists hate Ma's approach of cello playing. But guess what, he has one of the most fluent, dynamic, richest sound in the history of cello playing unlike these clik-baiting cellists.
@@KB1.1 did i say anything negative to beginners?
@@Dindy_lover almost every cellist hates him? Never met one. I love his playing. I don't care about perfect technique tbh. I attended to a recital of a major cello competition winner recently and found the playing boring. Perfect technique, but uninteresting.
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Well I like this! So what if it’s click bait!? I want to know what a chicken wing is!!?
It’s moving your elbow up and down unnecessarily.
Where is the damn quarter … 😂
From 1:03 to 1:13 of this video, It looks simple, but actually, it is not! My bow quickly falls to the ground. Why is this so?
This is one of the worst titles (and thumbnails) I've seen in a while, and from a cello channel of all channels. Unexpected. Also, while there is no doubting his experience and skill, I genuinely find this style of teaching (overall) rather narrow minded. Egotistical even. There are so many different ways of playing, learning, and so many different types of individuals, even if some basic rules do tend to benefit longevity and consistency and may help with certain techniques. Reminds me of those times of bad pedagogical approach and standards of teaching back in the day, when people forced upon you a particular way of learning or doing things because doing it your way would never work. Then (if you didn't already know), you find out there are successful cellists all around with all sorts of different kinds of approaches, directly conflicting that way that was being forced on you, some of which seem to strangely match with what you were doing at least to an extent. Having looked up some more of his teachings, and it's really quite impressive how convoluted and self-important his techniques are.
Not only that, you can see him breaking his own rules, without acknowledging it. Either straight after teaching something or in some cases even before, which is a classic sign of ego centric teaching in my opinion. It creates a feeling of your teaching being just fluff, because you immediately see you can't trust this person to follow (or even really understand to begin with) their own advice. I'd argue it's a sort of "reverse engineering" approach to teaching. You don't actually know why things work for you, because you have picked up things from a little child onwards all over the place and eventually ended up with your own blend, and why they really do work is very much an individual matter. Yet, you have come to conclusions because the need for coming to conclusions arised and you worked something out. I don't mean that people necessarily do this in a dishonest way, although when you listen to his explanations for how he came up with his ideas it does unfortunately sound very pretentious and once again convoluted. But I'm sure mostly people believe themselves and believe to be honest, but if you pay a little bit of attention you quickly notice the approach is backwards. I'd liken it to confirmation bias in a way. Sure, there are things where the merits are there and statistically a certain approach is, generally speaking, more successful. And even if that is already dismissing the fact that every individual is so different, in the end it's the attitude while speaking of their methods that exposes it all. When you immediately can spot something arguable being presented as the truth, or some completely made up obscure philosophical thought presented as grounds for doing something a specific way, it all just comes crumbling down. And then, as a student, you are left with having to work around that teacher's shortcomings because they will never admit to having taken the wrong approach or even just making things up.
ps. Amit Peled's pianissimo is honestly just bad and his slamming of the board is really over the top. There is clarity and then there is whatever he is doing. A few of his performances I gave a listen to also sound honestly rather whiney and flat, really lacking of any nuance. I really struggle to understand where this fella came from and how he has reached the sort of following he has.
Nobody is going to read your essay here. But I agree with click bating. It's absolutely horrifying. You should check out tonebase violin. Absolute trash
Cool, but pls stop clickbait -_-
Too authoritative
Why did he say Israel 😡😡😡😡
What a nonsense…..
HIDEOUSLY WRONG. STOP "teaching" NONSENSE!!!