Honda CRF 1100 L Africa Twin vs BMW F 850 GS Adventure: Which is the Best Adventure?
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Well, in my country (a small East European state named Romania) things are a little bit different. When it comes to the price, Africa Twins starts from 14 500 Euros, and the 850 GSA starts from 13 100 Euros. When it comes to the weight, the BMW wights 248 kg (548 pounds) filled with all fluids and ready to drive. On the other hand Honda Romania declares a 226 kg (498 pounds) for the EMPTY Africa Twin. We must take in consideration that the entry level version of Africa Twin has a 18 l (4 US GAL) fuell tank and the Adventure Sport Version has a 25 l (6 US GAL) fuell tank .We must also take in consideration the fact that the BMW comes equipped with crash bars which Honda hasn't. But you're gonna need crash bars on an ADV, isn't it? So, more money, more weight! If we consider all those facts, the conclusion is very simple. There is no difference between Africa Tween and 85 GS in terms of wight. But I won't stop here.... The 850 GS comes with spoked tubeless wheels in STANDARD. That's not the case of Africa Twin. The 850 GS comes STANDARD with adjustable windscreen. That's not the case of Africa Twin. You must pay around 2000 euros more if you want those options on the Japanese motorcycle.
One more thing.... when I've seen this video's title I was expecting to see people riding bikes and not just photos and statistics. Let's not talk abouT the fact that in all those fotos you showed the Adventure Sport version of Honda which is more expensive than the standard one and it looks much better.
I'm Honda owner, and Iike my NC 750 X a lot. But I'd pick the 850 GSA without any doubts!
The only sensible comment here.
@@TheJAMTUB Thank you! Wish you only nice and safe rides!
The 226KG is the wet weight for the CRF1100L (base model, not adventure - with manual transmission). AFAIK Honda always quotes wet weights. So the Honda weighs less and delivers significantly more torque, power and has better fuel efficiency. I’ve not ridden the 850GS but those who have ridden both complain it is much more top heavy. Regarding costs, any initial outlay increase buying the Honda will be more than be offset by cheaper servicing and parts.
In the end, the better bike is the one you prefer. If that’s the BMW then buy it. Specifications only speak part of the story.
I have the 850 GSA. It's a great jack of all trades master of none bike. It's great for committing, i can go 2 up comfortably, ive taken it off road camping and it did what it needed.
Yeah, I think all the dual sport/ADV bikes are jacks of all trades masters of none. But compared to my XR650L the 850GS is a master long-distance touring bike!
I have the same experience with my 850 GSA.
I got the Africa twin 1100 AS/ES and it’s terrific! Loving the DCT also once I got it all figured out In the settings. I used to have a 1200 GSA and I take the Honda anyday!
Thanks for the comment and info on the AT, I appreciate it! Glad you are happy with it. I've heard the DCT is fantastic both on and off road.
Curious, what specifically do you enjoy about the Twin more than the 1200 GSA? Thanks
@@gordonmcallister2566 I love how playful the 1100 is, I also love the reliability! I had a 1200gsa and had rear main seal leak$$$ I had a bmw Hp2 and had a valve drop. I’m done with bmw! Don’t get me wrong the bmw rides beautifully! I feel my overall fun for dollar and reliability is on the Honda’s side! CarPlay is great and I decided to try the DCT, it’s terrific! I got a 5 year Warrantee for $900! It’s really a great overall value.
I’ve ridden the GSA 1250. Amazing bike but it has no soul. I’ll keep my AT and spend the change on everything motorbike!
@@SimonBrisbane I agree the Honda is more fun, sounds better and at time of purchase was £1000's cheaper
I have the 850 GSA and love it! I haven't rode the AT, but the GSA does everything I want with style, confidence and grace!
Thanks for the comment, Dave. It is an awesome bike, enjoy!
I own the GS Adventure. What I don't like about it: Its heavy. I own the fully spec Exclusive version. It does everything, okay for dirt tacks but not a full over road due to its weight.
Yeah, it is amazing how nimble the GS feel for such a heavy bike, but if you have to pick up the bike a couple of times it becomes a bit heavy for me.
Reliability is the most important factor for adventure riding
Definitely!
Honda it is!
I choose the BMW 850 GSA. I adore the electronic suspension which I can change using a button . Also got a lot of additional parts and add-ons from BMW for a better price compared to the Honda Electronic suspension version.
Don't get me wrong, that BMW is amazing and if I had to choose between the stock AT and the GSA it would be difficult (would probably also go for the 850). And the ES AT is a lot more expensive, so not directly comparable to the GSA. Enjoy the bike!
Love the tables that compare all bikes. That was a great comparison. 👍🏻
Re the weight. BMW R1250GS is all down low. I found the 850 a bit top heavy. Especially when fuelled up!
Ask me how I know...I once dropped a 850 gsa coming out a petrol station after filling up 😒🤬
Thanks, Michael. I appreciate the feedback. I agree, the 1250 feel much lighter than it is. So well balanced!! I've dropped my KLR in front of a whole bunch of BMW riders. Very embarrassing! 🤣
The Africa Twin looks incomplete somehow, maybe no beak? I rode a friend‘s 850 and i cannot believe how comfortable it was. Riding position, legs and seat. It was a little tall for me but i think its adjustable. If i had the money i‘d definitely pick one up!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, after watching many videos i kind of decided to go with the Africa Twin
I would suggest that 85% of the people who buy these bikes, like me, don't buy them to off road them but because they love the looks, the comfort and also their touring capabilities. I got the BMW 850 Rallye (not an adventure model). I don't need the extra fuel load as in Europe you have petrol stations every few kms. The range on a tankful is around 300kms so around 3 hours in the saddle. No need for more weight. My bike is light and comfortable and does everything the Adventure and the AT models do.
I agree with on the motivations for buying bikes like these. They just don't make sense when touring long distance far from civilization. But they are awesome touring bikes. I'd much rather tour on a GS or AT than an RT or Goldwing.
Ps. even in Africa, 300km is generally enough between filling stations... we only had to use our spare fuel twice between Cape Town and Cairo and we had a range of just over 300km.
Waiting for 2020 Africa Twin AS Manual to become used With 15-20 K miles in a few years in the US. Would love to find it for $10K US. Currently ride Decked out2013 Nc700x. Africa Twin is my dream bike, w/honda realiability, with that beautiful R/W/B colorway, and angel halo led lights, it actually looks more like A BMW Than a BMW itself 🤣
I'm totally with you on that... both the looks of the Adv Sports model (haha, yes they perfected the BMW look with that one with the colors!) and letting someone else take the depreciation knock!
The Nc700x is a great bike, but I've not taken one off the pavement... did you do anything to the suspension or wheels? Loved the economy on it!
the price is still high bro lol 2 year later haha
I got 2021 Africa twin love it !!
This channel did introduce me to a comparison that I had not yet made, and for which I am grateful. But it did not make it clear to me exactly what was being compared. The base model Africa Twin vs the fully loaded BMW F850 GS? A little clarification on this matter might help. But thanks anyway for pointing me in an interesting direction.
Hi. Thank you for your comment! Sorry, I should have been clearer. It was the base model Africa Twin and the BMW F850 GS Adventure without any optional extras. At those trim levels they cost nearly the same in the US at the time.
solid information and stats, very helpful.
Thanks, Les! I appreciate it
what ever the diferances the gs holds it value better because its got the magic badge
i ride a f650gs from 2010 the rotax 800 cc twin old reliable thing apparently and it does global laps on a tank off gas well you know a fair way watching these new loncin powered bikes with intrest i gotta say was a bit sus on the rotax to but they proved to be long lived reliable things but they werent built by slave labour in communist china eh.//
Excellent video, thank you for your time but please allow the critique. The audio is abit low and difficult to hear clearly when listening with headphones while in a public place with moderate noise pollution. Thank you for youre content:)
Hi Tim. Thank you for your honest feedback. I really appreciate it. This was one of my first videos and I cringe if I watch it now. I got a lot of hate for some of them back then! :) Luckily I just pushed through. Thanks again!
Corretion: BMW has 95 HP, not 90 HP.
That is quite true in some markets... It is sometimes hard to find reliable power output figures online. I saw both 90 and 95 hp quoted in various places, but used BMW Motorrad US as my source which quotes 90 hp (66kW). On some other BMW's sites it says 95 hp. Maybe a US tuned version? Thanks for the correction 👍😁
I have the 850 gsa only issue I had was the keyless entry not unlocking my gas cap. Wich left me stuck in Alaska 150 miles from the dealer . Bike was a week old . I wish I could swap out gas caps for a old school key cap.
Oh no, that is terrible!! Electronics would make me super paranoid on long trips.
Hi! As far as I know the entry level version of the GSA has a old school key.
That is insane. “Hey durp, look at my keyless fuel cap”.. Honestly BMW do some bizarre things.
thanks for great video :-) i own 2018 africa twin adventure sports,very satiesfied with the bike i have use the bike for 33000 happy km and i will not sell it.but i love the 850gsa,and i think you got a lot of bike for the money,so i thinking to buy this one too :-)
Thanks for the comment, Hans! I am glad to hear the AT is serving you well.
You forgot to mention and compare the DCT system of Honda with the f850gs bike of BMW! Which I think Its a very useful system! !
Thanks, that is a good point! Not much more expensive than the manual AT, so definitely a great feature compared to the BMW.
Nice comparison but a little off. My 2019, BMW F850 GSA Adventure has cruise control and I believe 5 to 7 riding modes; whereas your review doesn't state this but rather gives more kudos to the African Twin. In-short, very impressed by the BMW as I had considered both adventure motorcycles.
Thanks for the feedback, Mark. I appreciate it! I may be mistaken, as it is sometimes difficult to find all the specs online. BMW USA, however, doesn't list cruise control as standard (while Honda does). On the BMW it is available as part of the Premium Package at $2 150 extra as per www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/adventure/f850gs-adventure/technicaldata.html#/section-316bd7da-section Don't get me wrong, it is a brilliant bike and if I had the cash (and I can't find a Yamama T7!) I'd struggle to decide between the two 😁
Thanks for the quick reply.. You're correct the Premium package is what I have. Enjoy your videos/review very informative.
@@markstites5387 Thanks, Mark. I appreciate the support!
It”s a premium option on the BMW, he didn’t say you couldn’t get it. It comes standard on the AT which is definitely a reason to give the AT more kudos in that regard.
Nice video. The color choices for the 2021 Honda have flipped, it seems. Hope I'm wrong. All the best!
Thanks, Malik. I appreciate the comment! No ways, I think you are right! That is crazy. Pity you can't choose the color scheme on both models.
Who is the best and who can bear the most??!!
BMW is the best. Honda can bear the most.
Disclaimer: I am just guessing without evidence 😜
not a lot of power from a bmw?? have you ever ridden it or you just do online research and make a 'test' based on what? also, it is not 90 HP, it is 95, which feel more powerful and deliver more than Honda's 100... (ridden both, own a BMW F850GSA 2019...did a loooot of research and choosing before finals, and Beemer rocks the hell out of Honda...which I really love as well and it's my second most favourite... )
Hi Here in sweden the BMWf850 GSA has 95 HP
Hi Tony. Thanks for the info! Yes, I saw that they have less power in the US. Probably emission regs.
i own a bmw 850 2020 model. (not adventure) i ride with yammies 450 ktm 300 and the rest and im content behond compare. but still i feel to trade the bmw for the crf 1100... why is that? my bike is absolutly spoiled with every ride there after is an oil change and chain is serviced link by link. but for some reason im compelled towards the crf 11000!
Africa twin adv could be expensive but the maintenance is not....
BMW ❤️ 😍🤩lover from 🇮🇳
Cheers👊
Africa Twin 😊
Between these two, I agree 😁
The African Twin ES Model.....Reliability.
You can't argue with Japanese reliability!
@@GreaseAndGravel, I have a 2017 AT with 30 Km. I bought it new in '19 for $9000 (U.S). I had a Honda NT 700 and I put 60 Km and never had a problem. It's hard to change brands when I have been happy with the product. BTW....great video and to the point.
@@sdecourcy Wow, that is great service. I agree. If you are happy with the brand, why change? Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it! Cheers
Honda has a narrower seat, better engine, lower weight - with the same price basically
Is this the Bmw With the Chinese Loncin engine?
I am not sure... I know the G650GS has a Chinese version of the Rotax 652cc, but I don't know the origin of the F850 parallel twin..
Loncin makes all the bmw parallel twins. Berlin makes the boxers.
2021 bmw Gs adventure 504 pounds
Wow! That's is much better. I wonder how they managed that.
Motorbike has to be Honda
Looks better in every aspect
I like the look of the BMW better, but would rather get the Honda...I just trust Japanese machines more.
New sub here enjoyed the video look forward to more. I've been trying to do some motovlogs myself. Maybe you would check them out im creeping up on 200 subs its so exciting lol
Hey man, thanks for the sub! (you've got a new one too 😁) Checked out your channel and will be following your progress. I need to get a GoPro mount like you. It would be look to see the whole of your Honda in a vid sometime. Liked the headlight install. Cheers
@@GreaseAndGravel proshotcam.com is where I got my mount from
BMW
What do you like about the BMW over the Honda?
@@GreaseAndGravel Different things. Build quality and build finish is superior of the BMW. So is the Design. The Connectivity features with the best display on the market so far is brilliant. The Safety features with ABS Pro, Traction Control, Ride Modes flash brake light, LED turn signals and in the menu you can let the exhaust pop if you want to be heard driving downhill with no gas, all these safety features combined on the BMW is brilliant and are now standard. GPS navigation coming to the main TFT display like the boxers have now from iPhone/Android is brilliant, no need for GPS unit. No need to have to shake my phone on a ugly bracket on the handlebar. It is partly phone GPS integrated in the TFT display now, I am sure next year model will have the new large Boxer TFT display with full GPS on the main display as well. The Jug/shuttle control wheel of the TFT display on the handlebar is second to none, extremely easy to use. I think the BMW will get the BMW M High Performance maintenance free chain soon. Drive shaft as the boxer have is too heavy and not easy to do maintenance on. Besides the BMW GS community has to be mentioned as well. As far as weight is the two bikes are about the same weight it seems. 240/248 kg. Honda have 231 cc more, if the weight is more or less the same then it could be a plus.
@@simwebdk Thanks for the comprehensive reply, I appreciate it! BMW build quality is just at a different level. That selectable exhaust-pop is a neat feature. Shows they really put some thought into it. And the maintenance free chain will be awesome. Cheers!
@@GreaseAndGravel Yeah in general German build quality is the best in the world that's just how it is sadly enough. Cars, Motorcycles, Trucks, Aeroplaines, Tanks etc.
@@simwebdk I agree. I have owned two W123 Mercedes' from the 80s and they were bullet proof. I am torn between the Japanese simplicity and reliability and the German build quality...
Bmw has 95 hp
Thanks for the correction. In most countries it is 95 hp, but strangely enough, BMW USA still quotes 90 hp: www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/adventure/f850gs/technicaldata.html
Ktm;)
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Not the best research done bro and I was actually looking forward to the vid
Thanks for the feedback anyways. Anything specific you'd like to see in future?
Who is the best and who can bear the most??!!