These Four Scottish Clans Were From Flanders!
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- Often lumped in with and undistinguished from the Normans, this group of bold adventurers begat kindreds that had a disproportionate influence on Scottish history compared to their actual numbers. Check out Amy Eberlin's research on them and their involvement in Scottish history in the link below.
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I'm from Flanders, and proud that we have some of the same blood.
The Menapii, a Belgian tribe living along the coast, crossed the English channel before Julius Caesar invaded the Belgica Prima territory. The Menapii had several settlements along the English East coast all the way into current-day Scotland. And they befriended the Picts with whom the Menapii had extensive trade.
Hi, Flemish guy here. I don't mind all these videos about Flemish heritage as long as you don't start claiming that haggis was our invention.
My maiden name is Lockhart, we were known as Loccard of Norman decent. When King Robert the Bruce died he asked for his heart to be buried in the Holy land. On its way there Simon Loccard carried the key to the casket the heart was in which was carried by the Douglas, he and the other knights were killed in battle in Spain. Simon Loccard retrieved the casket and returned it to Scotland. We were then known as Lockhart and gifted lands by the King by way of thanks and honour. I have lived south west Scotland all my life, there is a small town called Symington in Ayrshire which was the original gift of land, in Symington you will find Loccard Road.
What an amazingly great story. I just today found this channel. Thanks for sharing a rich history.
Alberta Canada
Thank you for sharing this. Sir James Douglas was my 20th Great grandfather. Stephen Douglas Greer II
In Flanders a lot of names end with ..art or .. aert . Also place names.
Read the books of Allan Orr Anderson (two volumes ) and Berly Pratt , Scottish Hazard (two volumes )
I think most of the Flemish migration to the British Isles in that period was due to the fact that a lot of them where mercenairy soldiers. Flanders was known as a good source for hired hands in warfare.
I am a Fleming and Baldwin of Flanders from BIgger is my 24th great grandfather. I also have all the clan names you’ve mentioned. Nice video!
Hey, Mr Fleming, this is a Fleming.
Hey cousins! Also a Fleming here. May the deed shaw!
@@rexfleming3534 Hey Flemings here is one more
Hey neighbour, a random limburger has arrived.
My surname is Leslie, our clan origin legend states that our progenitor, named Bertolf, was a Hungarian that came to Scotland during the Norman Conquest. However, historical record directly contradicts this and its likely that he was also a Flemish migrant to Scotland during the Davidian Revolution. However, there is so little record on the man himself that it's almost impossible to tell his origins. The fact that his given name is Germanic and that he is in record after the reign of David I suggests Flemish origin, but he could also be Norman, possibly even Anglo Saxon or Scandinavian. This mystery has stuck in my crawl for years so I would really love to dig up more records if possible
Scottish genealogy is a nut roll! The clan system makes it nearly impossible to figure out your biological Y-DNA prior to the mid 1700's.
Queen Margaret was Hungarian
@@christopherellis2663 she was Anglo-Saxon...Margaret of Wessex was Edward Æthling's daughter
I live in Lothian and never heard of that place you mentioned. I also am descended from Friskens of Hutton (and Clazy) in Berwickshire - i had previously assumed these families were Flemish due to the trade between the Scottish Borders town of Berwick upon Tweed (before the English nicked it) and Flanders with wool for the textile industry. In my family research i found Friskens in Orkney and that Berwickshire area (In my family research I am talking 1700-1800s). Another unusual family name i have in my ancestors is Sligh/Sleigh/Slight - i believe they were given lands for service to the King around Duns area in Berwickshire (Bunkle and Preston) now i also believe that name was originally 'Slecht' and possibly came from the Low Countries also.
A lot of people in Holland Belgium Germany are playing in pipe bands now the standards have came leaps and bounds absolutely 💯 brilliant, my name buik a lot of people around the world are related to my family , scots dutch late 1600 hundreds ,flax dressers ,ropers of sailing ships , hackelmakers sails for the royal navy 1795 when mum and dad on holiday in Holland the locals would not believe they came from Dundee lol the Fleming also very large families in city 😊😊
I’ll definitely use this for my upcoming video on the flemings in the british isles, thanks!
Mate, Locard, or now Lockhart descendent here, we’re Norman. Descended from family in Normandy. We may have fallen out with King William but unlikely given the lands we were given. Lockerbie, Stevenson, Symington and the Lee in Lanarkshire, East Kilbride and Kilmarnock Castles. Surrounded by other Normans and Flemish, it’s unlikely they were out of favour on the contrary.
Videos like these make me curious about my own heritage. Unfortunately my grandfather was adopted after ww2 and so i have no clue as to whom his birth parents are and what their family name was.
Hello, I am enjoying your work. You might take a look at Walter Fitz Allan. He was the first High Stewart of Scotland. He was the beginning of what later became the Stewart family.
Could you do an episode on the Scottish Montgomery family. My mother was a Montgomery whose ancestors went back to County Antrim Ireland where they held land. Further research shows they were Gentry class in Ayrshire Scotland before going to Ireland.
I did a podcast episode on the feud between the Montgomerys and the Cunninghams. I haven't made it into a video yet.
The Stewart's originated from the Fitzalans, who William the conqueror made the Steward of Scotland, Fitzalan was a Norman, who was based in Oswestry, Shropshire, in England, the Normans were mainly of Viking stock
Yes, agreed, except for one point. William the Conquerer didn't make them stewards in Scotland as he didn't conquer Scotland. The Normans came into Scotland by invitation, mainly by David I but by others as well. The Normans were MAINLY of viking stock but the Bretons and Flemish get lumped in with them since they came under Duke William. So you could say 'Norman' but if you were being specific, the Stewarts (FitzAlans) were Bretons from Dol. And these families mentioned here came with the Normans so sometimes they are referred to as such but their origins were in Flanders.
@@thescottishclans and they were around people named "judael" and such in Brittany and I think that's where "judicial" derives.. I bet you know about the legends of some of these families going back to biblical kins.
Early in this video about flemish settlers to Scotland you mention an earlier work about the breton contingent in William's army. I had a close look at your other videos but could not find that one. Could you give the specific title or link to the Breton video? Thanks.
Walter fitz Alan's father Alan fitz Flaad (the progenitor) was a Breton knight.
Hello, as president of Clan Fleming Scottish Association, I would like to thank you for bringing attention to the Flemish influence on Scotland's history. There is argument as to if Baldwin was even Flemish (Scotland and the Flemish People Project, University of St Andrews), but according to F Lawrence Fleming from his book 'Exploring the True Heritage of the Fleming Family Name' the progenitor of the Flemish houses in England, Ireland and Scotland, Archembald Flanderensis considered himself Norman, hailing from Rouen, Normandy, as did his descendants. It was his father or grandfather who was originally from Flanders. Sir Robert Fleming who cut off the Red Comyn's head at Dumfries, is who we consider Clan Flemings first chief. We can only speculate where his family was from, but there is some evidence that points to Fulwood, Renfrewshire.
I'm a Fleming, running down my family. I've made back to 1700 scottland
My mom name is Flaming and I am flemmish belgian ✋🏻
As a decendant of Freskin, I haven't seen much about him. I've learned a little bit more about him in this video! Is there anyone who has a deaper dive? Who was his father Olek?
Finally, some recognition. Our history & culture always gets drowned out by all the surrounding cultures who are really good at constantly praising themselves.
Good stuff!
The Norman ancestors of the Chisholm's originally settled in Scottish borders. It wasn't until later a branch of the family emigrated north into the Highlands.
1:45 what video are you referring to about the Breton contingent? I'd love to check that out. The direct paternal line of my family tree traces back to Glasgow before they emigrated to the United States.
MacDuff or "MacDoooo". Greetings from Scotland and yes wearing kilts to hike is great.
A lot of clans (including big names lime McLeod and McDonald) also have their origins among the “Norse-Gael” people of the western isles - a fusion of Norse settlers (“Vikings invaders” if you prefer the dramatic version) and the Gaels (just Google that if you find it hard to believe).
Early medieval Scotland was a contest between at least five different cultural groups, none of which had a unique claim to the country. It could have been the template for “Game of Thrones”, minus the dragons.
it's odd, none of these Flemings discussed here, nor any of their inheritors would ever have seen a kilt for another half a millenium , they just weren't a thing in the middle ages. But hey, be proud of your heritage while you're still allowed to.
This is fascinating. I wonder if there is a connection between the Flemming and Cleland/Kneeland family names. The latter were also deeply rooted in Lanarkshire.
Also, there is nothing (that I know of) on where the MacLarens ultimately came from though Dál Riata is mentioned - a kingdom in western Scotland. How did they get there though? Was David partly the cause of their success? So many questions!
Love those questions!
Great information. Interesting topic.
I find it curious that you pronounce “Alba” as “Al i Ba”. I’m wondering if you could comment on your chosen pronunciation.
Please keep the content coming!
To mouthforwar17
The Leslie of Glaslough Castle, Ulster were elizabethan mercenaries from Hungary employed in the Ulster plantation - Family name was originally Laslow.
I have wondered for some time if the true ethnic origins of the Gordons is actually Flemish, despite their tradition of being of Norman origin. I know in one of your early podcasts you suggest a Jute origin. My reason for suggesting a Flemish origin comes from a earlier iteration of the FTDNA I1a DNA project. The administrators organized their results along somewhat geographic lines. From "ultra-norse" (most northerly) to "norse" to various "AS" (more southery Anglo-Saxon- Germanic) locales. The archetype Gordon DNA profile from the Gordon DNA FTDNA Project was not within the northerly "Ultra-norse or Norse" groups but from more southerly "AS" groups. As the Normans, being likely Danish and therefore from the "Ultra-norse or Norse" groups, what ethnic group would the Gordons be from, as part of a more southerly "AS" group? Well, perhaps the Flemish. They made up something like a third of William 1 army. And as you indicate, many of these Flemish knights migrated to Scotland.
My arguement is weak though. The I1a project is no longer divided along these lines and I am not entirely sure of their thinking on this matter.
A final point, any discussion of the Gordons always ignores the fact that the "family or clan" divided into a northern branch and a southern branch in the mid 14th century. The southern Gordons of Kirkcudbrightshire are largely ignored. An acknowledgement of them (my people) might be nice from time to time.
Did you listen to my podcast interview with Ethan Hunt? It was all about DNA and clan origins.
@@thescottishclans Haven't listened to that DNA podcast yet. Just discovered your podcast recently and I'm really enjoying it. I'm working my way through from the first. On #39 now. Doing my personal genealogy and exhausted documentary evidence decades ago. So moved on to DNA and "deep" genealogy. Focusing on my own people from Kirkcudbrightshire ( the southern Gordons of Lochivar and Kenmure), to Kilrea Co. Londonderry (c. 1650), to Canada 1818, and the Grants of Glenmoriston to the New York 1773 and Canada 1777. The Gordon DNA Project from FTDNA has the original Gordon DNA profile documented by members back to the originsl Gordons. They "appear" to be more Germanic (Flemish?) than Norse (Norman). This is my own interpretation though. My own genetic profile doe NOT match the original Gordons and appears to be more Norse. So what I think may have happened is that my own paternal lineage was Norse, the area of the strairs between Denmark and Sweden. They were part of the migration of the Norse to south-west Scotland Galloway. Either intermarried into the Gordons when they came to Galloway in the 14th century, assuming the female surname, or adopted the name in an act of fealty to a Gordon overlord.
Anyway really enjoying the podcast as I work through it. Perhaps one devoted to the Gordons, making mention of the southern Gordons in the future? You suggested perhaps one on Glenlivet? How much was that a battle between the crown and the Gordons? How much of it was a thing between the Gordons and the Campbells for dominance?
Another Fleming here, reporting in.
You have anything on clan MacMillan? And the isles of the north?
Not yet, but I should!
Do you have anything on Mackay?
scottishclans.podbean.com/?s=mackay, this is a podcast episode. I haven't made a video of it yet.
Hey bud, some fantastic info here and unfortunately like many others I've had to educate myself on my countries history due to the education system in scotland being entirely absent on the subject of scottish history. So i, like many others scour the internet to find intresting videos on our history and culture and im very thankful for you and many others that do this. I do find that most of these videos on scotland (particularly Americans and Canadians) that they really struggle with some pronunciations, now i get that there are some difficult words for non Scots to say so if your needing a hand with it then drop a message and i can help you out. All the best bud 🤘🤘
I am so glad that you like this and would gratefully receive any help with pronunciations. Feel free to drop them here so other non-Scots can see them.
I've done a lot of independent research as a non-academic on my own Clan, presented here in this Video; Innes.
I've used genetic evidence, and linguistic evidence to try and trace the origin of Berowald and to figure out exactly who he was, how he is related to other people, etc. In doing so, I've got some interesting results.
Firstly I used DNA samples from direct paternal descendants of the main line of Innes, including my own, and in doing so have connected our branch to at least ONE branch of the Murray Clan who were actually situated on the border region but still claimed descent from Freskin. Their Y-DNA marker however is different from other Murray lines claiming descent from Freskin also. So only one can be right there.
Anyway; the actual haplogroup associated with Innes is R1B-U106>R-FGC20667>R-FGC20676. The R-FGC20676 is an older clade originating in the Bronze Age so the actual Innes clade arises in the 1000s as R-A14208. R-A14208 is shared with Inneses and one branch of Murray as I said. The further you go back, the haplogroup proves to be rare with it's only relatives appearing in Sweden/Norway.
DNA evidence aside there is actually an incredibly strong linguistic support for Berowald's origin being in Holland, and not Flanders.
In North Holland during the 12th Century, there existed a noble House associated with the lands of Egmont-an-Zee, the House of Egmont. Of the early Lords of Egmont, two had the name Beerwout.
Obviously Beerwout and Berowald are not exactly the same name, but here's a few points;
Berowald ISN'T actually Berowald's name. Berowald is a shortened version of Berowaldus, which is a Latinised form of his name. Berowald coming from the Low Countries would've spoken Old Dutch as his native language, and if we transliterate Berowald into Old Dutch, we'd arrive at Beerwout. Further evidence is found in later geneaologies of the House of Egmont when they claim descent from a mythical ancestor known as King Beerwout, or as he his name was written in latin; Rex Beroaldus.
My theory is that Beerwout II had a son, Beerwout III who was younger, and thus went to seek out wealth elsewhere. It's possible that Beerwout II's wife was actually Flemish, making it very believable that Beerwout III may have actually been raised in, or spent a significant amount of time in Flanders. When arriving in Scotland, he'd not have been noted as Berowaldus the Third, because he was the only one present in Scotland itself.
Another note of interest is in Berowalds grandson, Walter, who was actually the first to use the name "Of Innes". We know that Beerwout II had a son, who had a son who was actually also named Beerwout III, but was known more commonly as "Kwade Wouter". Wouter being the Old Dutch version of Walter, also likely being a nickname for someone with the name Beerwout. So it's not a stretch to see the the first of Innes, Walter, was actually named potentially after his Grandfather Berowald, if only we can understand this linguistic connection.
In terms of how genetics connect to this Egmont family, we can't say much as there are no genetic samples from those early Egmonts, and they are now an extinct family. They did however claim descent from the Dukes and Kings of Frisia, and this could fit in with the genetic evidence.
Frisians were actually more akin to Anglo-Saxons, and in fact, there was likely very little distinction. They were descendants of a host of people ranging from the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, all the way to Swedes, Lombards, etc. The Haplogroup associated with Innes is closely related as I mentioned before to another that is found in Sweden and Norway, but is found nowhere else. The actual Innes haplogroup and its ancestors are found nowhere else other than Scotland (amongst Inneses and a select few others), so to me it connects well with a Frisian origin.
Academics have recentley made a claim of a common "Boat-Grave Culture" spanning the North-Sea areas of the European Lowlands, up to Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, all the way over to Britain itself. It's very believable that the Innes haplogroup originated from this common culture, migrating around, some entering Sweden/Norway, others entering Frisia. Those Frisians eventually becoming the family of Egmont, who eventually became Innes in Scotland.
So what do you know about about the Pendergasts who came from Normandy and rode with William the Conquer /the knight Maurice De Pendrgrass/ to England in 1066 then went to Wales and eventually later rode with Strongbow to Ireland where they integrated and settled.There were Pendergast castles in wales and Eniscorthy Castle constructed by Phillip Pendergast Ireland to this day.
They were around Pembroke at one time and had a castle there in that area.
My father, surname Noble, says we are of the Macintosh Clan. He also said there were 7 Nobles that immigrated to the US; post industrial age. Were there Nobles in the MacIntosh Clan, or was that Dad's pipe dream.
To be certain, you would have to trace your ancestry back to that region.
Berowald Flandrensis1st Laird of Innes (In Ish), Granted lands by Malcom the IV 26th Great Grandfather
Will you do a vid on Scotland’s favourite Bard Robbie Burns. Thank you 🙏🇨🇦🙏
Alberta Canada
Hi - diddely -ho dearest Scotsmen, we are all Familyrinos :D
Mullen - a clan or associated a named clan?
Anyone know anything about the Breignans? They are of Flemish descent apparently
Fair guid, am say prood o mi Walsh bluidlines,oo gan back a lang syne,Walsh in awhy diinnae dee oot oo still spikk some o it today, place names likk Lee pen,Ettrick pen,white coomb ancrom,lauder aun jedhart.
Mony lallladers ir awar o thir Walshnis oo gan back a lang syne.
Don't the Tartans have to be registered in Scotland or England? I thought they had to be held to the same standards as the coat arms are Kilts different from the Tartans. I'm totally confused. The Highlands of Scotland have nothing to do with the rest of Scotland, Wales or Ireland.
Good ancesterie. Also the Dutch have a lot of Flemish blood in their veins.
The Bell's also descend from Flanders.
Do videos on the Montgomeries MacNeils and Cunninghams
I haven't made a video yet but I did a podcast episode on the feud between the Cunninghams and Montgomerys. Episode 23 - scottishclans.podbean.com/e/episode-23-the-montgomery-vs-cunningham-feud/
Douglas and Murray were is Scotland around 700 ad
Very late to the party, I know.
Anyhow, I'm wondering about 'The Bruce'.
Might the origin of this name be 'de Bruge' , 'from Bruges' ? Again, just wondering, it's just an idea.
Also, I 'm referring to Robert the Bruce's ancestry, not claiming that he was native to Bruges himself.
David is not King when he returns to Scotland he was Prince of the Cumbrians and is the youngest son of Malcolm III and Margaret of Wessex,...When David's brother Alexander I died in 1124, David chose, with the backing of Henry I, to take the Kingdom of Scotland (Alba) for himself. He was forced to engage in warfare against his rival and nephew, Máel Coluim mac Alaxandair. Subduing the latter seems to have taken David ten years, a struggle that involved the destruction of Óengus, Mormaer of Moray. David's victory allowed expansion of control over more distant regions theoretically part of his Kingdom,
I thought that most Flemings came as merchants, principally in the wool trade.
There were many of those. In no way was I claiming that all Flemish came to Scotland as knights, but the founders of these influential clans did.
@@thescottishclans It is misleading to use the word clan, for any social group other than those within Highland (Gaelic) cultural domain.
The unit of social affiliation in the borders was the 'great families'. At its core a border family was a kinship group, but many of their members were non-kin. They are very much more like a mafia family, than a Highland clan.
In the Lowlands proper, the guild and parish are leading social units. The Lowland Flemish would have been members of the Flemish wool merchants guild. Medieval Scotland was most definitely a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural state.
What is it to be Scots? It is a work in progress. Most importantly, we are aw' Jock Tamson's bairns. That's our kinship group. We are also the children of the Enlightenment.
@@johnkelly3886 "clan" predates Scotland.
@@thisphone4976 Clan outside Scotland usually refers to a kinship group within a tribe. Of course clans predate Scotland. But within a Scottish context, to use clan to refer to anything other than a Highland clan is at best, misleading.
@@johnkelly3886 I guess we agree but for some reason on a weird technicality we don't?
I'm from Flanders.
this video is so chaotic , i don't understand balls from it
Murray and Vervliet have their origin from the Flemish !
The Murray's. Please
I haven't done a video on it but I did a podcast episode called "all for one and one for all" about the Murrays. Let me know what you think.
I am a Fraser of Lovat. Send me everything you have!!
D's in gaelic is pronounced tch.
Scottish Clan Peacock, which I no nothing about
Your map at 3 13 is wrong, it says Kingdom of Scotland, it should say Kingdom of the Scots as there has never been a King of Scotland, Kings in Scotland were referred to as the King of Scots ie the people not the land, one last thing the Scots do not originate from Scotland they originate from Eire. . .
Most of the Norman Knights that came to Scotland married daughters of local landowners where the male line failed as happens after so many generations. . .
"dd" = "th", sort of
IM A BLACK DOUGLAS DENHOLM..
Aedh,
The origins of the Douglas Clan are disputed . There is no factual answer to their Origin , as with many other Scottish Clans
There is a theory that Balliol comes Baillleul a town in South Flanders. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailleul,_Nord
Like The Bruce fron Bruges, but that is not substantiated.
@@krisgreen6097ikipedia if you type clan Bruce and click history list the family origins as Flemish in Bruges. The Blue azure lion of Bruges is the same as on the Bruce coat of arms.My mother’s maiden name is Bruce. Surname of course lol