unplug your MacBooks.
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My M1 MacBook Air is currently at 99 % battery capacity after almost two and a half years of use (most of which it had been plugged in since it’s only racked up 34 cycles during that time). I’d say Al Dente is doing its job well.
damn! I'm at 2.5 years on the m1 air and im at 88%. I don't think that's incredible bad though, for never using the Al Dente app.
i just checked I've done 347 cycles so far lol wild you've only done 34!
@@BadWulfy974 I am using the free version, but I make sure to prevent trickle charging by charging it slightly above 50 % and then setting the charge limit to ~40 %.
I've set the charging limit to 20% as long as I use my MacBook at home so the battery should never be in charge. Hope this will help battery life
Damn mines already 84% and its only about 1.5 years old, and i've been using AlDente too what am I doing wrong 😭😭
It is completely safe to leave it plugged in, MacOS regularly discharges it at 100% when plugged in. Also it puts charging on hold if you charge it regularly there’s no need to worry about leaving it plugged in all the time it manages it.
Yes that’s what I see as well. There is no need to worry too much, especially on modern MacBooks after 2020.
Yes it might be SAFE, but I wouldn't recommend using it that way on the daily. I'm assuming what you mean by "discharging" is trickle charging, the way most modern devices stop charging and let your battery drain until it needs charging again. The problem is that this still hurts your device. Keeping it at 100% even with trickle charging is like over inflating a basketball and letting the excess air leak out on it's own. You're still damaging the ball's rubber overtime until one day it might just pop.
@@TrashStash I use all macbooks like this for for 8 years straight. I plugged my macbook out maybe 10 times over the last 8 years. Battery life is great. This video is outdated.
my laptop is at 87% in 8 months
I agree. Using something like Aldente might get you another year of life our of the macbook but you essentially manually shorten your battery life by 20% doing that. I value having my macbook ready at 100% when I need to go out, not having to think about it and plan ahead the night before.
As an ex apple tech, this is accurate to an extent, but leaving something on charge all the time is not a problem, the boards and battery chips are designed against that.
It is purely charge cycles that degrade your battery, which is mileage for a battery. You are still going to use it up anyway.
So point of what I am saying is, nothing lasts.
If I may ask, does that mean the worst thing for a phone battery (and batteries in general) is going from 100% to 0 too often? I know the best thing is to keep them plugged in at 60% for laptops and batteries last 10X longer by doing that but I wanted to know if keeping an Iphone always over 60% will be better than letting it go to 0 often? Thank you for your time.
As I was watching the video, I was also thinking that Apple even states that all the macbook batteries will start losing a bit of charge while they are plugged in and then regain that. The user will still see 100%. The only things that could cause harm to the battery are discharging it completely and not exercising it (drain and recharge) for a long time. Apple recommends to at least drain and recharge once a month. Old phones used to be like the images shown in the video, but not these new pieces of tech, which are designed against such failures lol
Thank you so much for the response. Then I will discharge them once a month and keep them full the other times.@@zedixqq
@@joejohnson8966Going from 100% to 0% is actually healthy. It makes sure all the chemicals are getting a chance to react and wear in uniform. Metaphorically it's like a deep stretch.
What @user is saying is just regular use. If you use your phone for music, video, calls, text, social, etc all day every day, that will add a lot of milage to your phone battery. It'd be wise to look into a separate device that only plays music, freeing up and extending the life of something more important like phone calls / messaging device .
@@joejohnson8966well yes, pretty much that's what you need to avoid. Now what you specifically want to do is to charge your device to around 80 to 90 percent and then plug it in when it gets to around 25 percent. Now from what I understand when it comes to charging to 100% the battery isn't actually fully charged and the software leaves some amount of head room, some small percentage, uncharged because this alone like doubles the life of the battery. I've tried this and can say it does really improve the battery longevity tho of the 4 years I owned my phone, the first 2 and a half years I'd discharge it completely and it really degraded the battery, but for the last year and a half I'd plug it in around 30% and would use the 85% limit that samsung had added some time ago and it feels like the battery life hasn't degraded that much in that time.
plugged in is fine, it switches to using from the plug when its at 100%
Honestly, Apples optimisation seems pretty solid. It bleeds charge to about 80% for 7 hours while I'm sleeping, then it charges to 100% at around 6am so when i wake up it's only had 100% for a few hours
I guess AlDente is good for users who often keep it plugged in
Doing charge bandwidths above 80% is quite literally what wears your battery out much faster. Leaps and bounds faster than if you just left it fully charged.....
-Electrical engineer.
@@silvy7394 Im not sure what you mean? Sure, it could be better to keep it fully charged than discharging it and charging it. But this is a laptop, so I'm going to use it like a laptop. That is, not being tethered to a wall the entire time...
@@silvy7394 But also, you say charging above 80% is bad, but then say to leave it at 100%?
@@silvy7394 Explain?
@@ReddRubble You didnt read my comment.
Charging bandwidths is what range of the battery you use at a given time before you recharge, or stop charging. Say, 40%-60% is a bandwidth. 20%-100%.
The smaller bandwidths closer to 50%, the less cycles it will do. Here's what I mean, not with real numbers as it varies from chemistry to chemistry.
Going from 40-60% uses 20% of your battery and will put .1 of a cycle on your battery.
Going from 80% to 100% will still use 20% of your battery, but it will wear about .9 of a cycle. Despite still only using 20%.
Keeping your battery at 100% does minimal wear to it unless you're letting it sit for years. Discharging it a bit, then recharging it because you're scared of it sitting at 100% is only cycling your battery to failure.
“Macbooks are still as powerful as when plugged into a charger, even when you remove the charger. Windows on the other hand, literally kills itself the second you unplug your laptop.”
I mean that's the default settings for Windows laptop, you can change it but at the cost of battery life which Windows laptops already fall behind even with the power savings stuff
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While it’s true that 20-80% is the sweet spot, new MacBooks will run directly on the charger when plugged in, which limits the number of charge cycles the battery goes through. It is ultimately better to be plugged in using no battery than constantly discharging and recharging to 80%
Can I just say? I've never seen anyone make content the way you do! I love the integration of MacOS as a style in your videos! It's so cool!
I’m thoroughly impressed by the quality of this video and how entertaining you are you earned your self a loyal subscriber!
I’d actually argue it’s probably better to keep it plugged in all the time depending on your use case. Once it hits 100% your MacBook switches it’s power source to the power adapter directly. I often use mine as a desktop and work on intensive tasks with the lid closed and plugged into power. my cycle count is extremely low for how much I’ve used it since it’s using the power adapter most of the time. I’d probably have triple the count otherwise.
it is absolutely not healthy to keep battery at 80%
above 80 is going to put much more stress on the battery over time, 80-85 is fine 100 percent is just not good long term. there is a reason batteries can recharge so quickly from 0-80 percent but its that last 20 percent that takes much more time and energy to push it full
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It really depends based on your usage. If you cycle your battery on a regular basis like daily it is best to keep it in the range specified in the video 20-80%. Based on all research available this should double the number of full cycles your battery can complete.
When it comes to leaving your laptop plugged in at all time this will reduce your battery capacity at a rate of 20-30% per year based on ambient temperature. Lithium ion batteries are under allot of voltage stress when at full charge. This is why it is recommended to leave a battery at 50% for storage. This is also the charge you will find most new devices at when you buy them. At this charge level there is no voltage stress.
My experience while anecdotal, aligns well with the recommendations. I have been manually doing this with my iPhone 12 and 2017 MacBook Pro. My iPhone it still at 90% battery health after nearly three years. And my laptop is at 85% after nearly 7 years.
I am happy to find out that I can get an app to do this for me. Now I don’t have to think about it anymore. XD
One small note: macOS already has a feature where if you keep your MacBook plugged in for about 2 weeks, it will start pulling power from the power adapter, and instead of the battery powering the internal components while being charged at the same time, it will be left idling and macOS will keep the battery at 76-80% charge and when it drops to below 76% it'll charge it to 80% again, thus keeping your battery at a relatively low discharge cycle count in the long term (macOS always says that its power source is the power adapter in the battery dropdown menu when it's plugged in, but I don't know if that means it's powering the internal components with the power adapter directly from the wall or if it's just charging the battery while it's still the battery that's powering the components).
I also wanted to clarify the factors that affect your battery longevity a little bit and why they affect it:
-Keeping your battery at near 0% or near 100% for a long time
(Near 100% for a long time reduces battery health, NOT because if you keep your device plugged in at 100% it'll try to overcharge your device, there are tons of safety measurements taken against that, but because it's just better for your battery's health for it to have between 20% and 80% charge most of the time. Apple recommends that if you store an old device of yours for the long term in your drawer or something, that you charge it to 50% every 6 months)
-Charging your battery at a very high speed
(Apple's devices never support very damaging charging speeds even if you have a more capable power brick, and they generally balance the convenience of a fast charging speed and the longevity of your battery really well, so this is more of a concern for devices from brands that do support damaging charging rates, but cramming electrons into your battery really fast will also wear out your battery quicker. And this is not even really because of excess heat, your battery heating up when charging to some extent is actually *good* for your battery health despite common belief, it's just because the cells wear out quicker with electrons moving in and out at a faster rate.)
-Heavy use of your device with more intensive apps
(There's nothing much you can really do and I wouldn't recommend worrying about this too much, since you paid a lot for your Mac and using your Mac to its full potential ultimately also means you're getting every bit of value out of your Mac that you can, and if you need intensive apps on your Mac you will use them and there's nothing you can do about it, that's why you have a computer, but yeah, using very performance intensive apps like video editing apps will cause your processor to pull more power from your battery and if you do it regularly it'll make your battery maintain its capacity for shorter.)
The issue with apples implementation is that most people don't keep it docked ALL the time. If they did they wouldn't have bought a Macbook to begin with and just a Mac mini or studio. So this feature doesn't actually kick in at all should you unplug in within 2 weeks (which you realistically would) and hence you would still suffer the effects of a prolonged SOC at 100%. Aldente is the way! (should honestly be built in macOS)
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What an amazing video man. I'm so impressed by how entertaining and informative it is! Great job and thank you!
I want more animations like this! Pretty entertaining and informative.
This is why I use AlDente to keep my battery charge lower when know I’m going to be at home but I’m also working on something overnight
this is helpful because i bought my new macbook recently, thanks for the tips. keep up the awesome videos brother
Such an underrated Channel. Loved your video and style!
Amazing editing skills, high quality video, no sponsors, subbed.
Charging your lithium-ion battery to 100% all the time can reduce its longevity due to several factors:
1. **Voltage Stress:** Charging to 100% involves higher voltage levels, which can put added stress on the battery's chemistry. This stress can accelerate the degradation of the battery over time.
2. **Chemical Reactions:** At a full charge, certain chemical reactions within the battery become more likely, leading to the breakdown of electrolytes and electrode materials. This can result in capacity loss.
3. **Heat Generation:** Charging to 100% generates more heat, and heat is an enemy of battery life. Increased heat can cause the battery to wear out faster and can even pose safety risks.
4. **Overcharging Risk:** Lithium-ion batteries are sensitive to overcharging. Charging to 100% and leaving the battery plugged in for extended periods can lead to overcharging, which can damage the battery.
5. **Cyclic Fatigue:** Lithium-ion batteries degrade with each charge cycle. If you consistently charge your battery to 100%, you'll go through more charge cycles faster, leading to quicker capacity loss.
To maximize the longevity of your lithium-ion battery, it's recommended to keep it within the 20-80% charge range. Charging to 80% and discharging to 20% reduces the stress on the battery and helps maintain its capacity over time. This practice is especially important for devices where battery replacement is challenging or expensive, such as smartphones and laptops.
This is why all my homies use nickle metal hydride . You can charge em up to 110% and they don't give two shits. I got nickle metal hydride in my truck, in my laptop, and in my cellular phone. Nickle metal hydride can take a beating.
The video is really great ! I watched some of your videos and you deserve a lot more subscribers ! 👏
Gonna try out AlDente! I’m someone that doesn’t use my MacBook all the time, so I’ll leave it plugged in during the day and that will screw up the “optimized charging” schedule. Thank you for making this video :)
Also I absolutely love the old Mac sounds used at the beginning and end of your videos. I never grew up with them but they’re very nostalgic to me :)
That goes for any laptop really. I would only plug it in while doing hard tasks. Then unplug when I’m not using it.
The video on which this advice is based on, is a MYTH.
Lithium Ion batteries have inside them a battery management system (BMS). This combined with the charging circuitry in your laptop do not let the battery overcharge anytime, and it pretty much uses raw power from the charger preventing wastage of battery charge cycles.
If you constantly keep it unplugged at 80% and plugged at 20%, meaning you get only 60% of juice while being mobile, and the even greater impact is that it deteriorates your battery by wearing out the charge cycles of the poor battery. So majority of electronic engineers and battery experts will advice to no harm in keeping the charger plugged in, and only leave the charger disconnected when being mobile.
Cheers mat for the app recommendation. I'll let you know how I get on with it.
I use aldente and set a 70% charging limit, that way when I'm working on my desktop I can pull power from the wall but keep the battery at a healthy level
this video is so underrated, love it :D
cool video, so now what would be a more efficient way to keep my MacBook in clamshell mode while making sure I’m not leaving the charger plugged in all the time to potentially reduce the risk of my battery degrading faster?
Love your channel man! Just found it ❤
Question: I don‘t charge mine over night or something, but i charge it while in use because i use the usb-c cabel to charge and to connect to my monitor at the same time (it doesn‘t charge when monitor is off). Is it still that bad?
the optimised charging feature isn't made for Macs that get left plugged in, its made for people who charge every day and then unplug. If you unplug morning, then it will only charge in the last few hours before you unplug
This video was posted at the perfect time! I bought a used (early 2015) MacBook Pro for $180 and I don't want to ruin the battery for it the first month
I use AlDente since i have my MacBook Pro (Mid December 22), my charging limit is always at 80%.
Now a have looked in my Mac Settings to see what my Health is and i am at 91%?
coconutbattery says also that the design Capacity is at 88.4% by 123 Charging Cycles.
Is that just a Display Error because I just don't use 20% of my Battery? I am confused a little bit
Battery health of iPhones and the new MacBooks/ iPads at my local best buy are at 100% despite being plugged in almost the entire time they are at those stores.
Despite what people are saying they do in fact stop charging and run off the cable when they are at capacity.
I love this channel. Just found it. Please make more content!
What a cool animated series!
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I've used alDente my M1 max 16" since i got it. 70% cap, almost never filled it to 100%. Now, more than a year later, i have 88% battery health.
To be honest, i don't think AlDente did anything at all.
I've had two Macbook Pro models, one of them a 13-inch Intel i5 and one of them a 15-inch Intel i7, and both of their batteries swelled because I used them attached to a monitor and plugged in all the time. Overcharging isn't the main cause of this, but heat. If you push your computer harder, the system needs the battery to assist that high power demand, so while the CPU and GPU are already smoking hot, the battery gives juice and getting charged at the same time, so the temperature goes up in the same thermal envelope as the GPU and CPU, and then excessive heat destroys the battery membrane between chemicals, causing swell reactions. I think M1 and M2 macbook batteries have lower swell risk then intel macbooks, because of lower power consumption and lower heat. Who knows. Correct me if i'm wrong :)
On my dell g3 laptop it firstly only runs fast when plugged in, and only lasts a few hours when not plugged.
Thanks!!! Just bought one and was doing this 😳
Thank you so much!
bro is an actually good tech channel out of nowhere lmao, subbed
3:35 I literally reach 80% when you showed this and I immediately unplugged my MacBook tysm
Do new Macs not already have a discharge while plugged in feature? My Mac often when charging for a long time stops charging itself and the battery begins to discharge.
i leave my macbook plugged in 24/7 with my usb-c monitor, is that bad? (apparently 65W) it's 9 months old and at 95%, it's an MBA M2 for reference
Omg. The algorithm brought me here and this channel is as charming as can be. Finally, some good content!
What if you’re using thunderbolt to plug the thing to a monitor?
It technically would be charged almost all the time.
Rotten Apple just releasing the best Apple content out of nowhere and thinking we wouldn't notice...
I always leave my MacBook plugged in when I need to do something important so it's great to hear that Aldente works for a lot of people, so I just got it. I also stream sometimes so I'm hoping that the Pro version's heat protection helps in those instances since I'm almost certain that that helped bring my battery health down to 89 from around the mid 90's just a year ago or so. I just wished something similar existed for iPhones lol.
Just found your channel. Excellent content and presentation! You have the potential to get really big,.
I love your content! But I’d like to say that nowadays this issue is not as bad as it was before.
As per multiple reports, Aldente fries the battery much faster than the Optimized Battery Charging. And my experience is that macOS is actually pretty smart when it comes to battery health. I have my laptop plugged in 24/7 and what macOS does is it let’s MacBook discharge to 80% and keeps it at that level, powering laptop directly from the cable (this is important). Then, once in a while it allows battery to discharge even more (to 65-70%), and then charges it back to 80%.
After 1.5 years of my laptop plugged in I’ve had 60 battery cycles and general battery life wasn’t worse in any way.
As for Aldente, it doesn’t control the MacBook on the same level, therefore all power still goes through the battery even when it’s kept at whatever level you set it to. This results in faster aging overall.
Although, that’s all based on my personal (and a few others) experience and isn’t confirmed by any Apple officials.
Aldente doesn't fry the battery. When a battery holds a constant charge level the BMS eventually becomes miscalibrated and reports false health metrics like increased degradation. In actuality the battery is fine. Apple's implementation avoids this by charging to 100% after a delay instead of staying at partial charge at all times. With the free version of Aldente you can recalibrate by draining the computer until it dies (you can tell the BMS is miscalibrated when it sits at 1% for a long time) and charging to full a few times in a row. I can confirm with my mac that recailbrating the BMS shows the same health metrics from before I started using Aldente a year ago.
Yeah the built in battery optimization has been rock solid for me on my M1 Macbook Pro as well. I also have mine docked pretty much 24/7 so the battery simply never hits 100% and then when I need to take it out I can just get it to quickly charge to full (though even if I forget, 80% still easily gets me day's use)
Quick question if I want to use Apple's optimization instead of Al dente. I just got a new Mac, how do I make it understand ASAP that it can stay at 80% ? If I just keep it plugged in, it will be stuck at 100%.
@@geekoman31 in my case it kinda just figured it out after about a day or so honestly
@@kingdeedee So since the fist few days, every time you charge it doesn’t go above 80?(unless you tells so obviously) Or just sometimes? You use it mostly plugged in right ?
I have a M2 Air that is about a year old now, being used almost 24/7 as a desktop dock with the battery charged at 100%. Max capacity is still 100%.
I'm using an external display, and I have an external keyboard, I don't want my MacBook's keyboard to waste area on my desktop, so I bought a dock to hold it and I'm using it in Clamshell Mode. Tell me, how can I unplug?
how did u dip your macbook like that! or is it a cover? ITS SO COOL
*slowly unplugs ipad*
this is weird, cos I use a M2 Max MBP always plugged in to a studio display or magsafe and when I look in system information it say's that it draws power from the wall and not the battery , so I'm confused about this, apparently a Mac always at 100% doesn't use it's battery , I have a routine cos I know it's a consumable , I let it discharge each month to around 20% and plug it back ... not sure if it's enough ??
Said it before and will keep saying it: Keep it plugged IN as much as possible !
Keeps cycle count low, and your battery healthy
I believe it's just keeps cycles low and does not really provide real data
cycles are only part of the true story, yes cycle count low is good but batteries are more sensitive to heat which being above 80 percent for long periods of time tend to hurt them in the long term. Once again unless your expecting to keep your battery good for many years past 2-3 your not likely going to notice normal usage as your suggesting.
@@zachtac your mac detects usage and will charge to only 80% unless you tap the 'Charge to full' button when clicking on battery icon on the status bar
After how many years did your 2012 MacBook Air need to remain plugged in?
Is there any chance the monitor connected through USB-C which provides about 10 W (in parallel with the normal charger) is the reason my battery's maximum capacity is at 89% with 1 year of use and 36 cycles? I realized about 2 months ago that when I was using use the Mac without charging, it was actually "charging with a 10W power source". 😖
you deserve more subscribers
500 subs? Feel like this channel deserves more for the quality.
I was panicking when I watched this video but then I remembered I have bought Al Dente on my MBP and uses Mac Mini at home. 😂 Great video to educate the others!
I also suggest people to consider using Mac mini or Mac Studio if they don’t need the Mac to be portable. It avoids the issue of battery entirely by not having it. 😆
TY!
I keep my m1 air plugged into a dock at my desk almost always. Sometimes for weeks straight. I’ve had it since Feb 2021. I was a little worried until i checked battery health and it’s at 99%. There seems to be a lot of mixed information out there, so im not sure what to believe about it.
What about keeping it plug in while using it?
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I think the exact opposite is true, the Mac OS knows how to optimize charging when you leave it plugged in at 100%
Si AlDente available on iPhones ?
I love my 2015 MBP
It's been 8 years
It's at ~80 percent. It still lasts a whole day somehow, even if it's intel.
Mine is plugged into a thunderbolt dock during use, and unplugged when not
You think I didn't hear that E Shop music? Great video AND soundtrack 😎👍
this is great. everyone bout to switch to that mac mini life now.
My dads apple laptop sits on his desk and has never been taken off charge for 8 years, still no battery swelling
My windows laptop is always plugged in when im using it i dont plug it in overnight only when im using it or when it is empty
2:17 not the linkedin flex post💀
Also, very cute intro, def not what I expected
Good to know, thank you.
I never unplug it. It's smart enough to keep the battery off and just draw power from the wall without over-charging the battery. When it dips below like 60-70% after a few weeks it will recharge it automatically. MacBooks aren't cheap PCs, they're premium products with most of these kinds of quirks figured out.
If your battery is swelling, that's a fire hazard. Get it in outside and in sand if possible
how did you tweak the menu bar like that? or is it just an image?
isnt there a program to limit the charge on macbooks? i wish this also existed fr iphones and ipads.
I agree with a few other commenters below. In other manufacturers that has been true. But, Apple uses a trickle charger that protects the Li batteries. In addition, some batteries are 'intelligent', including a circuit as part of the unit, to insure that the battery doesn't overcharge.
well my macbook is currently plugged in but sitting at 80% charge thanks to Charging on hold (rarely used on battery)
and i work with external monitors, mouse and keyboard so i cannot unplug my macbook, otherwise it will go into sleep mode
My experience with windows laptop was the opposite. When i started to use it more often on battery than plugged in, battery started to degrade faster
I have 2018 macbook pro 13 in custom modification (i7 >>> i5), and my battery still ok (i`m very happy about that😅)
i can't do that, because i perfom a long tasks and my mac no longer has mac os, only windows 11
Is there a thing like AlDente for windows? Im using purely windows 10 on my Macbook Pro Mid 2012.
Ive always used macs plugged in 99% of the time. No issues over the past 10 years. No need to purchase apps for that.
Amazing video style! i got shocked when i saw the sub count lol. Keep making videos pls i want to watch quality content
i thought with the new update it automatically stops the charge when it reaches 100%
Are there any periodical discounts for Al Dente or does anyone know ny coupons? Cause the price seems a bit too high
This is done in purpose. The number is wrong not because they figure you will unplug, because most people don’t. It’s just slowly charging when it’s closer to 100%. So basically you can leave it charging overnight even if you have it on 90%. Same thing for all Apple devices that have batteries
thats the most tragic apple related animation i watched in the intro
I used AlDente for one year plugged in at 80% and the battery still got swallowed. When I removed it, the left cell was significantly bumped on surface.
Software no matter how intelligent is, won’t be able to stop this issue. Just avoid your battery to be left on charge forever.
That’s my experience.
phones use lithium ion battery too. i plugged in my phones (samsung, iphone, pixel) before sleep and unplug it before go to work. years, none of them swell on me.
With how good MB batteries normally are, I thought the problem was unplugging it too early and not this? Indeed learning never stops.
I like your style
Personally I use aldente to keep my Mac plugged in but limit charge to 80% and make it run off the charger power
Bro needs more subs for real.
As an iMac user, I see this as an absolute win