that show desktop thing is a LIFE SAVER omg im so used to moving like 4 windows just to access some file on my desktop at this point i didnt know that was possible
The whole "_____ is a bad OS because I can't understand it the first time i use it" is such a bad take. Every OS is a learning experience and I assure u Windows can be a horrible experience like MacOS if u didn't use that OS predominantly in your day to day tasks.
OMG. Yes this is so true, I was a Windows uzer and I switched to Mac around last year and it was confusing at first and when I got used to it I REALLY LOVED IT. This year I started using my Windows laptop more, and I really really HATED it at first because it wasn't as simple as Mac, but now I'm happily using both of my Windows and Mac computers without complaints 🥲
no that's not true, macos has lots of small unfixable problems that heavily slow you down in ways both windows and linux don't, mostly little animations and transitions and extra clicks or actions that make stuff take a second instead of a tenth of one
@@dedaluslogic i use both OS, mac os ventura and win11, and I prefer windows 11 for productivity, it is faster and less of an headache to use, mac os out of the box without any setting is awful to use
7:55 this is super helpful. I remember when I worked in an office. My co-trainees asked me to teach them the keyboards shortcuts as they saw how efficiently I could navigate the computer. We even got a contest for speed typing and the other team also had an IT student and the scores were tied because we were nervously trying to type fast with our members shouting and cheering up. 😂 We won and I got some food to share with my team. ⌨️ It almost even turned to our members clashing due to the website showing 2 completely different results. We won on our end and they won on theirs (it was a different room per team). So a tie-breaker round but due to these shortcuts, we won. I don't type that fast and only won a couple of seconds. But yeah, most of these tips were used IRL and showed results.
I recommend using the "English 1K" language in monkeytype, because it uses 1000 of the most used English words instead of the 200 in the default English language. It is way more practical for everyday practice
Keyboard shortcuts: you can add a keyboard shortcut for every menu item of an app, even the ones that don't have a menu item by default. The Help menu bar item has a search box. You can type in a menu item and it will show you its location. Comes in handy in Photoshop or another app with many menu items, where you want to do something but you don't know under which menu or submenu to look.
That is true, MacOS was hard for me to use when I first tried it out, but seconds later, I learned, and now it is the best operating system I've ever used. I am typing this message off my new M3 MacBook Air, which is my 2nd ever MacBook Air and my 3rd ever Mac, coming after the M1 MacBook Air and the M1 iMac that I used to use.
btw, not sure if you've already showcased this before, but one tip I just learned a few days ago was that when you are setting a hot corner, you can actually hold down cmd/option/ctrl/shift so that the hot corner only activates if those modifier keys are pressed down. This was a huge game changer for me because it can be annoying when you accidentally put your mac to sleep by moving your mouse too much, and this basically fixes that problem.
7:50 In Windows, you can use Shift+Up Arrow (if you are at the end of the sentence) or Shift+Down Arrow (if you are at the beginning of the sentence) to select the entire sentence and then press delete.
honestly people who hate on another person OS is same as hating on someones music taste. It's preference and if you don't like other OS then don't use it. There are people out there like me who would never go back on windows from mac. If you're doing dumb wars whichever OS is better than go to therapist kid.
I grew up on macintosh. My first machine was older than me, a 7200 power mac running system 7 and later upgraded to OS 9. I was a little kid and got it as a hand me down from my dad, it basically only ran kid pix at that time. Then I got his slot-loading iMac G3 (CD, not DVD drive) running OS X 10.2 and that was my main rig during my childhood, it was where I learned a lot about computing (as well as in an old windows 98 machine I could mess with). So yeah, I was a little computer nerd. After that iMac I moved to PCs with Windows and Linux and never really looked back. I look back fondly on using mac back in the day but never felt the need to go back. Of course, there are things that make me jealous about the Mac ecosystem, namely music and design related stuff, but as a power user who likes to tweak with my own hardware and software, Apple's approach clearly isn't for me.
(im a new mac user and I might be wrong) as far as I know you can customize anything and macos is more open than windows. though for hardware, cannot argue with you.
Might have to agree on that. Do love MacOS and a lot of the properties of it. However, as a power user, it does still have a few limitations and overall, Windows also seems to disappoint with the release of the Windows 11. Hoping for Microsoft to release Windows 12 soon which hopefully should motivate three fourth of the Windows 10 and 11 users to upgrade to it. Currently running Windows 10 and not having any thoughts to upgrade to Windows 11, at least until Microsoft releases a proper, stable Windows 12.
@@GuitarListenApple's for people who don't mind having the control over their system taken from them, whereas Windows is for the people who like to have some control in exchange for their data being sold, and Linux is for people who want to control every minute detail, even if it means you might brick your computer through your own fault one day
Low Power Mode tip: since macOS doesn’t have a button to turn Low Power Mode like iOS, you can create a Shortcut (app, not keyboard) to toggle it and run it from the top bar
Hi Bog, this is the first video of yours that I'm seeing, and even though I don't have a Mac computer (maybe soon), I found this video very useful and funny. Also, as a French guy, I really appreciate your diction and the fact that you articulate your words well. This helps me improve my English comprehension :) +1 sub
One of the things I dont like about OSX are the shortcuts, that I will never remember, I would like that more of this useful stuff was available in menus on the menu bar or by contextual RH mouse clicking.
The Mac OS is a superior OS. I have been using it since 1989. I even worked for Apple for a few years. As an IT professional for over 30 yrs - Mac OS & Linux are my go to operating systems.
I just had to sell my mac for reasons and this video is making me nostalgic about it ...I'll probably switch back once I get a proper job after college
MacOS has robust APIs to add/replace core components with 3rd-party apps. Spotlight -> Raycast (or Albert as you've shown) Nothing to snap windows -> Rectangle Cmd+Tab -> Contexts Finder -> Forklift No way to control external monitor's volume -> Proxy Audio Device Unusable mousewheel scrolling -> Discrete Scroll A truly great operating system 😁
Love your video's and I've been following for all your tips. As a life long windows user that has switched a few years ago, you should make a video of some of the frustrations that a windows users will find with MacOS even after using it for a year. There are many things that slow me down in MacOs. File Manager (Finder), Shortcuts in different applications, and finding a folder quickly from Finder to a different program are a few that come to mind.
3:58 you can just click on the desktop to reveal the folders etc. on it if. you choose "always" for the "Click wallpaper to reveal desktop"-setting. No need for hot corners
7:51 if you use ctrl + L in some applications like in VsCode it'll select the whole line. Another thing if you have page up and page down keys on windows and you do ctrl + pgup or down itll switch your tabs. And if you hold shift whilst doing it it'll drag them along.
but what if you want to change your language using the fn button! you should probably install this application called Rocket where you can insert an emoji using the colon. And if you do not want an emoji and just a colo it will go away by esc or space
After watching: Thanks to your past work and stuff I've learned I didn't learn anything from this video, which I am so happy to say! Only took me about two years or something. 😄 Haven't watched this video yet, but the title makes me think: I think this is true for Windows, Linux etc. as well. If you have never used any product like these, you will have to get used to the way the products work. If I had not used Windows until around 2020, but Mac instead, I am pretty sure I'd have had a similar experience with Windows, disliking it from the start because it doesn't work like I'm used to with Mac. This is the reason I try to keep an open mind and pretty much dislike anything that says "Look, this is dumb and can't even do xyz" when the product can do xyz in a different way and many just don't know because they don't care enough to do some research. But instead get some views and interaction because of how cool it is to complain about something when you could do some research and give the way of a product some thought, just like the people who created it maybe. But apart from these thoughts: Thanks for putting stuff like this out there. I've learned a lot about Mac and Windows since I subscribed to your channel. And had lots of fun because of for example... sike. 😄
Yooo. You showed the drag & drop alfred feature and I tried the same thing with the Flow Launcher that I use on windows and it worked exactly the same. It blew my mind, it's very convenient to get assets for work like that.
Pretty random collection of things. Some more structure would be great! Also interesting that you mostly refer to extensions that do what MacOS fails to do (e.g., window management). And you should definitely be using Raycast 🤝
You could add to this command + tab then hold command and use left right arrow to select an application, then arrow down will allow selecting windows of that application similar like alt+tab on Windows. It took me a lot of time to figure that out.
i love ur vids i know most of this stuff cuz i watch ur vids a lot but there's just this thing that made me watch ur entire vid its so nice to watch ur vid also 6:53 what app is that?
People saying Linux can do all of that Little reminder you can install Distrobox and Nix in macOS I'm not even a macOS user, I'm a Linux user since 8 years
It's different for the sake of it. Apple wanted to be different and it they're introduced a lot of stupid nuances into the software that just isn't optimal. It has far too many negatives compared to Windows. IMHO.
Yeah it's their plan to train their users to a new system so when they want to move to Windows it will feel slow and slugish and unintuitive. It's by design (●'◡'●)
Not really, compared to Linux and OpenBSD, MacOS is far more similar to other OS, Windows is the only one thst is really different. Sounds like you've never used MacOS? Please refrain from giving opinions on subjects you know little about, Windows was good when it was Windows 7, after 8 it went downhill and MS is screwing us users over with each update. MacOS has generally been the same since the early 2000s and funnily enough, most software developers I know use Mac as their home/personal machines and Windows for work.
@@Hhhh22222-wwindows came out after macOS. There is no reason macOS should conform to the way windows does things when it was already out for years before windows was.
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0:20 Spotlight
0:40 Alfred
1:48 Finder Tabs
2:46 QuickTime
3:18 Hot Corner
4:03 Keyboard Shortcuts
5:07 Sound Output
5:36 Finder Settings
6:27 Keyboard Typing & Shortcuts
8:25 Customize Images
9:10 Applications
9:27 Rectangle
10:16 Low Power Mode
10:35 Password Protected Folders
11:39 Currency Keys
11:56 Emoji Keyboard
12:06 Screenshot Text
1:07 Ten Thousand Eggs
i have been with your channel for over 1.5 years and have never regretted a single moment of subscribing! LOVE UR VIDS! keep it up mate
did he just gain 600 subs today only!
that show desktop thing is a LIFE SAVER omg im so used to moving like 4 windows just to access some file on my desktop at this point i didnt know that was possible
The whole "_____ is a bad OS because I can't understand it the first time i use it" is such a bad take. Every OS is a learning experience and I assure u Windows can be a horrible experience like MacOS if u didn't use that OS predominantly in your day to day tasks.
OMG. Yes this is so true, I was a Windows uzer and I switched to Mac around last year and it was confusing at first and when I got used to it I REALLY LOVED IT.
This year I started using my Windows laptop more, and I really really HATED it at first because it wasn't as simple as Mac, but now I'm happily using both of my Windows and Mac computers without complaints 🥲
no that's not true, macos has lots of small unfixable problems that heavily slow you down in ways both windows and linux don't, mostly little animations and transitions and extra clicks or actions that make stuff take a second instead of a tenth of one
@@rebane2001 The video is full of examples of small things where MacOS turned out to be quicker than Windows.
@@dedaluslogic i use both OS, mac os ventura and win11, and I prefer windows 11 for productivity, it is faster and less of an headache to use, mac os out of the box without any setting is awful to use
I've been saying the same thing about TempleOS for years. Finally, some one gets it.
Timestamps please
01:00:00 the video ends
00:00:00 the video starts
It’s a 12 minute video
06:13 middle of the video
it's a 12 min video you ADHD'd out zoomer
7:55 this is super helpful.
I remember when I worked in an office.
My co-trainees asked me to teach them the keyboards shortcuts as they saw how efficiently I could navigate the computer.
We even got a contest for speed typing and the other team also had an IT student and the scores were tied because we were nervously trying to type fast with our members shouting and cheering up. 😂 We won and I got some food to share with my team. ⌨️
It almost even turned to our members clashing due to the website showing 2 completely different results. We won on our end and they won on theirs (it was a different room per team). So a tie-breaker round but due to these shortcuts, we won. I don't type that fast and only won a couple of seconds.
But yeah, most of these tips were used IRL and showed results.
the same for linux but everyone keeps saying that linux sucks after 5 seconds
It’s because they don’t use Arch Linux.
@PythonPlusPlus I use arch btw moment (I use fedora XD
skill issues
@@PythonPlusPlus i don't use arch linux either and i love my experience
It has to do with software that people know.
I recommend using the "English 1K" language in monkeytype, because it uses 1000 of the most used English words instead of the 200 in the default English language. It is way more practical for everyday practice
Thank you very much, that helps!
window snapping will finally become a native feature with the next major macos update
NGL, "..this is what 10k eggs look like BTW" was funny.. Instant Like and Sub!
Keyboard shortcuts: you can add a keyboard shortcut for every menu item of an app, even the ones that don't have a menu item by default.
The Help menu bar item has a search box. You can type in a menu item and it will show you its location.
Comes in handy in Photoshop or another app with many menu items, where you want to do something but you don't know under which menu or submenu to look.
That is true, MacOS was hard for me to use when I first tried it out, but seconds later, I learned, and now it is the best operating system I've ever used. I am typing this message off my new M3 MacBook Air, which is my 2nd ever MacBook Air and my 3rd ever Mac, coming after the M1 MacBook Air and the M1 iMac that I used to use.
Stop treating it as if it was a windows and it instantly gets 100x better
No it does not, its just bad.
btw, not sure if you've already showcased this before, but one tip I just learned a few days ago was that when you are setting a hot corner, you can actually hold down cmd/option/ctrl/shift so that the hot corner only activates if those modifier keys are pressed down. This was a huge game changer for me because it can be annoying when you accidentally put your mac to sleep by moving your mouse too much, and this basically fixes that problem.
Love you and your videos. Your channel is growing super fast. Am very happy for you!
7:50 In Windows, you can use Shift+Up Arrow (if you are at the end of the sentence) or Shift+Down Arrow (if you are at the beginning of the sentence) to select the entire sentence and then press delete.
10:30 that transition was smooth asffff
The enderman of mac LMAO
that VSauce reference earned you my like and my attention, but yourpresentation style got you my subscribe, amazing video!
Ayee cheers!
Looking for this comment
honestly people who hate on another person OS is same as hating on someones music taste. It's preference and if you don't like other OS then don't use it. There are people out there like me who would never go back on windows from mac. If you're doing dumb wars whichever OS is better than go to therapist kid.
I grew up on macintosh. My first machine was older than me, a 7200 power mac running system 7 and later upgraded to OS 9. I was a little kid and got it as a hand me down from my dad, it basically only ran kid pix at that time. Then I got his slot-loading iMac G3 (CD, not DVD drive) running OS X 10.2 and that was my main rig during my childhood, it was where I learned a lot about computing (as well as in an old windows 98 machine I could mess with). So yeah, I was a little computer nerd. After that iMac I moved to PCs with Windows and Linux and never really looked back. I look back fondly on using mac back in the day but never felt the need to go back. Of course, there are things that make me jealous about the Mac ecosystem, namely music and design related stuff, but as a power user who likes to tweak with my own hardware and software, Apple's approach clearly isn't for me.
(im a new mac user and I might be wrong)
as far as I know you can customize anything and macos is more open than windows.
though for hardware, cannot argue with you.
sounds like you might enjoy a hackintosh
Might have to agree on that. Do love MacOS and a lot of the properties of it. However, as a power user, it does still have a few limitations and overall, Windows also seems to disappoint with the release of the Windows 11. Hoping for Microsoft to release Windows 12 soon which hopefully should motivate three fourth of the Windows 10 and 11 users to upgrade to it. Currently running Windows 10 and not having any thoughts to upgrade to Windows 11, at least until Microsoft releases a proper, stable Windows 12.
@@GuitarListen You can't even turn off mouse acceleration on Mac without another app
@@GuitarListenApple's for people who don't mind having the control over their system taken from them, whereas Windows is for the people who like to have some control in exchange for their data being sold, and Linux is for people who want to control every minute detail, even if it means you might brick your computer through your own fault one day
Those shortcuts are CRAZYYY! I wish I would've known them before
Thank you for the Rectangle app recommentation Bog, you're tha man
Seconded!
It's been made obsolete by the new version of MacOS
Unfortunately, I only found your channel a few days ago, but I love your videos, keep it up!
Low Power Mode tip: since macOS doesn’t have a button to turn Low Power Mode like iOS, you can create a Shortcut (app, not keyboard) to toggle it and run it from the top bar
Hi Bog, this is the first video of yours that I'm seeing, and even though I don't have a Mac computer (maybe soon), I found this video very useful and funny. Also, as a French guy, I really appreciate your diction and the fact that you articulate your words well. This helps me improve my English comprehension :)
+1 sub
Finally a video that showed me tips and tricks that I didn't know already.
i grew up w apple and was forced to use windows after that and it was so confusing for me lmao
You can select whole line if you press up or down key and hold shift to select then delete/backspace to delete
Love it, keep going brother.
for Windows, it's ctrl+fn+left arrow to jump the entire line
pair that with shift to select the entire line
Or just shift home or shift end if you have a keyboard with those keys.
One of the things I dont like about OSX are the shortcuts, that I will never remember, I would like that more of this useful stuff was available in menus on the menu bar or by contextual RH mouse clicking.
As a Linux user, the more I see macOS' UI, the more I like it
Really great and instructive video. Cheers!
Cheers!
The Mac OS is a superior OS. I have been using it since 1989. I even worked for Apple for a few years. As an IT professional for over 30 yrs - Mac OS & Linux are my go to operating systems.
I just had to sell my mac for reasons and this video is making me nostalgic about it
...I'll probably switch back once I get a proper job after college
MacOS has robust APIs to add/replace core components with 3rd-party apps.
Spotlight -> Raycast (or Albert as you've shown)
Nothing to snap windows -> Rectangle
Cmd+Tab -> Contexts
Finder -> Forklift
No way to control external monitor's volume -> Proxy Audio Device
Unusable mousewheel scrolling -> Discrete Scroll
A truly great operating system 😁
Love your video's and I've been following for all your tips. As a life long windows user that has switched a few years ago, you should make a video of some of the frustrations that a windows users will find with MacOS even after using it for a year. There are many things that slow me down in MacOs. File Manager (Finder), Shortcuts in different applications, and finding a folder quickly from Finder to a different program are a few that come to mind.
Really liked your cursor, researched about it and found Mousecape.
Thank you so much !!
Oh my goodness how come I have never heard of any of these??? Great video Brother thanks so much!!
3:58 you can just click on the desktop to reveal the folders etc. on it if. you choose "always" for the "Click wallpaper to reveal desktop"-setting. No need for hot corners
Mac os is easier to learn than Windows for computer first timers. And it's easy if you can flush out Windows from your system. It's a great os
7:51 if you use ctrl + L in some applications like in VsCode it'll select the whole line. Another thing if you have page up and page down keys on windows and you do ctrl + pgup or down itll switch your tabs. And if you hold shift whilst doing it it'll drag them along.
Sparse image should allow a password protected folder that doesn’t have a fixed size, just uses the space that’s in it.
7:57 go to the end of the line, then press ctrl+shift+up(arrow) to select the whole line, and after that, you can delete the line
"option + delete" was mindblowing 😵
Wait, was that a cut at 10:28, when he flipped his laptop?
…Unless he put shiny apple stickers on both sides of laptop…
Great vid BOG🎉
No, that’s just a really clean cut.
Peak humour and perfect delivery! And obviously why would anyone set their password as 123
Bog, you can also open the emoji window by just pressing the 'fn'-button...
but what if you want to change your language using the fn button! you should probably install this application called Rocket where you can insert an emoji using the colon. And if you do not want an emoji and just a colo it will go away by esc or space
After watching: Thanks to your past work and stuff I've learned I didn't learn anything from this video, which I am so happy to say! Only took me about two years or something. 😄
Haven't watched this video yet, but the title makes me think: I think this is true for Windows, Linux etc. as well. If you have never used any product like these, you will have to get used to the way the products work. If I had not used Windows until around 2020, but Mac instead, I am pretty sure I'd have had a similar experience with Windows, disliking it from the start because it doesn't work like I'm used to with Mac. This is the reason I try to keep an open mind and pretty much dislike anything that says "Look, this is dumb and can't even do xyz" when the product can do xyz in a different way and many just don't know because they don't care enough to do some research. But instead get some views and interaction because of how cool it is to complain about something when you could do some research and give the way of a product some thought, just like the people who created it maybe.
But apart from these thoughts: Thanks for putting stuff like this out there. I've learned a lot about Mac and Windows since I subscribed to your channel. And had lots of fun because of for example... sike. 😄
The remove bg feature goes hard
The final form of a pro Mac user is not using the desktop at all.
Linuxoids
Love it, keep up the great work.
babe wake up new bog video
Windows is horrible after you learn how to use Unix systems
You mean Linux, linux is the best.
I use Arch btw
That was the third VSauce reference today and now I'm starting to get scared 😂
2:19 hit deep how could i miss this
You can also drag and drop images from spotlight
Thank you for the wonderful video sir, it is so helpful
Yooo. You showed the drag & drop alfred feature and I tried the same thing with the Flow Launcher that I use on windows and it worked exactly the same. It blew my mind, it's very convenient to get assets for work like that.
Windows sucks until you learn how to use it too, and sometimes after you learn how to use it.
Hasn't Apple's entire business revolved around "computers so easy you already know how to use them"?
For windows, to delete the whole thing, ctrl+a, then backspace
Magnet is a good alternative to "rectangle"
I’m not seeing much here that’s not available, and easier, to use in Windows. Can someone explain? The only one I like is the photo viewer tabs.
Or, are they? *VSauce summons*
1:07 had me falling apart🤣🤣🤣
Like... specially for the muscle memory joke :D Great videos mate
Cheers!
Pretty random collection of things. Some more structure would be great! Also interesting that you mostly refer to extensions that do what MacOS fails to do (e.g., window management). And you should definitely be using Raycast 🤝
You could add to this command + tab then hold command and use left right arrow to select an application, then arrow down will allow selecting windows of that application similar like alt+tab on Windows. It took me a lot of time to figure that out.
thank you Mate
Also, there is a touchpad gesture to reveal the desktop.
most underrated apple feature is when you move the mouse it gets bigger
i love ur vids
i know most of this stuff cuz i watch ur vids a lot but there's just this thing that made me watch ur entire vid its so nice to watch ur vid
also 6:53 what app is that?
audio in mov file 💀
3:08 - me a new Mac user after learning all these new things
For text editing, just wait until he hears about Vim
u can also use Magnet instead of rectangle
Yeah, but why would you? It cost money.
On windows you can use ctrl x to delete the whole line
how did you do that at 11:27? :D great video btw
came for knowledge, stayed for humor
Just waiting for a Mac with an integrated AI Chip like Microsoft revealed it, than I will buy my first one :)
Can't wait ^^
good video. keep it up!
yo how do i get. cursor like that
Great vid!
You should make one about Yabai. It´s a tiling window manager for macOS
People saying Linux can do all of that
Little reminder you can install Distrobox and Nix in macOS
I'm not even a macOS user, I'm a Linux user since 8 years
1:36 I soooooo did not know this!!!!
10:24 iMac users (not MacBook) : "wHErE Is ThAT OptIOn ?!"
Window snapping is FINALLY on macOS 15
It's different for the sake of it. Apple wanted to be different and it they're introduced a lot of stupid nuances into the software that just isn't optimal.
It has far too many negatives compared to Windows. IMHO.
Yeah it's their plan to train their users to a new system so when they want to move to Windows it will feel slow and slugish and unintuitive. It's by design (●'◡'●)
Not really, compared to Linux and OpenBSD, MacOS is far more similar to other OS, Windows is the only one thst is really different.
Sounds like you've never used MacOS? Please refrain from giving opinions on subjects you know little about, Windows was good when it was Windows 7, after 8 it went downhill and MS is screwing us users over with each update.
MacOS has generally been the same since the early 2000s and funnily enough, most software developers I know use Mac as their home/personal machines and Windows for work.
@@KazrBrekkerNot really, it's not by design, since MacOS is pretty similar to Linux, Windows is the odd one out.
@@Hhhh22222-wwindows came out after macOS. There is no reason macOS should conform to the way windows does things when it was already out for years before windows was.
I’m curious, what differences would you say there are that Apple made just for the sake of being different?
Could you send a download link to the Mousecape cursor that you are using?
Please tell us a way to screenrecord with internal audio😭🙏🏻
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egg edit from the other video. dont forget us when u hit a millions subs!
It's much worse when you learn how to use it, because you discover all the functionalities it needs
8:00 Make a new line and hit Ctrl + Up Arrow
All of these thing are also available or solved better in most Linux desktop environments. Could you please show that in a future video?
used windows my hole life but after the M2 I have a new favourite sadly now im bound to mac at least the cpu is good this time tho
still use a windows R7700 and 3070 desk top for games
macOS sequoia makes window snapping tools like rectangle redundant, right?