The Kinslayings of the First Age - Wars of the Legendarium
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- The Kinslayings of the First Age of Middle-earth were tragic events in Tolkien’s The Silmarillion, however, they were important events that shaped the world of the Elves. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on the three Kinslayings in the comments below. As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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I imagine Iluvatar wept when his children slaughtered one another.
I'm pretty sure he did, unless he was one of those guys who got a recliner and a pack of beer and popcorn and watched it like gladiator matches lol
@@tylersoto7465 like the abrahamic god would.
Naaaa he was all like “finish him”
Last time I was this early, Morgoth and ungoliant still hadn't dispoiled the two trees
Lmfao😂😂
And the perfect clincher to my birthday. Not my eleventy first, but still.
Happy birthday Paul, my friend!
Happy birthday! And may you have a hundred more
Happy birthday! May the light of Illuvitar bless you.
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday Paul! May the light of the west be ever in your 👀
I just can't imagine Elf slaying Elf when thinking of the 3rd age Elves. But the first Elves were very different :) Fingolfin took on Morgoth.
that dogo meme with Tolkien elves makes sense
True but they didn’t know about the darckness of melkor at that time
Yes. 1st age elves are just kids learning.
These elves come from the group that survived being hunted by a valar and a war of the gods and world wide cataclysm. Melkor just sacked a Noldor hold and killed the sacred trees. Violence was coming.
thats why i think the eldar are powerful, but the elves in the third age are just wiser and kinder.
The fact that they waited for Luthien to die speaks volumes.
Luthien was already very powerful for an Elf, being the daughter of Melian the Maia, and possession of the Silmaril would have greatly increased her powers. She would have been at least as powerful as Galadriel later became, perhaps almost as powerful as Melian herself.
Perhaps that made her too great a foe for the sons of Fëanor to overcome, and they had to wait.
I could imagine that had the sons of Feänor been stupid enough to attack Luthien and Beren for possessing the Silmaril, I think that Luthien would have yeeted them like how Galadriel yeeted that Orc that was hurting Gandalf in the extended edition of the Battle of the Five Armies movie.
If I were one of the noldor I would have turned back the minute Fëanor started killing elves
@Chris George I sense you have the heart of feanor in you.
@Glenn Krenz so they can fulfill their i breakable oath that wasn’t even necessary
My D&D game was canceled due to infighting between GM and some players. It made me laugh when I saw the title and thought "Well that is perfect timing".
Dang, I'm sorry, my friend! That stinks!
I can't believe they help commit genocide on their own people for three rocks.
Morgoth was probably elated to see the sons of feanor slaughtering other elves for the silmarils cuz then he realized that's less work he has to do on his part
i think that was his goal in the first place. considering it was him who corrupted Feanor into thinking the valar wanted the silmarils for themselves. and he did a very good job at separating the elves from the valar, and elves from their own kin.
The silmarils housed the last blended light of the two trees which could revive the trees and it also represents the entire being of feanor hence why he, and he especially, could not abandon it.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 then why didn’t he just imbue them with his soul like Sauron
The Silmarils were more than just pretty rocks. They held tremendous power, similar to the Light of Galadriel that Sam used against Shelob, but far greater in strength.
Gothmog: “Should we, you know…”
Sauron: “…Stop this?”
He basically said to Fëanor (in friendship) "dude they're just shiny rocks. get over it"
@Glenn Krenz when you give a very clear-cut short and sweet description of what happened it really just sums-up to they committed elf genocide for 3 rocks
@Glenn Krenz the Silmarils were not worth the bloodshed that was spilled for their sake. I'm an artist myself so I would be pissed if someone stole my life work but I'm not going to stoop to murder and genocide to get it back. And I definitely wouldn't do something as stupid as swearing an oath so legally binding and Unbreakable that death is the only way I can be free of it.
@@madambutterfly1997 The Silmarils also had the Lights of the Trees in them. Without them, they couldn't be fixed.
@Hypogean7 this man excuse me elf slaughtered hundreds if not thousands of his own people got all of his children killed in pursuit of these three rocks swearing an oath he couldn't even break. Towards the end of it all his remaining sons wanted to break the oath but couldn't.
The happiest time in Tolkien history.
Sons of Fëanor, turanbar, beren & luthien and many more agree with you.
@@Play_da_lele you know some people in Tolkiens writing believe that swords speak louder then words!
Feanor: The sword is mightier than the sword
Allegedly.
@@ConformingToEmptiness it is reality!
"How did it come to this??.......the days have come down in the west....how did it come to this?"
It was a tragic time to be certain, but I feel that Tolkien put these tragedies in the tales to show the hubris and flaws of the elves; which even tho they were immortal and "divine" they were just as flawed and imperfect as the rest of creation in the world.
I know I always saw the elves as perfect, strong, and above evil. These occurrences always remind me otherwise 💔
And some realism
People forget that Fëanor's rebellion and subsequent kinslaying (1st) was not just to recover the Silmarils. It was also to avenge the death of his father. Even Tolkien said that his father was dearer to him than the Silmarils. Morgoth made Fëanor an orphan, the first orphan in Valinor and the Valar (in Fëanor's mind) were unwilling to do anything. So he decided to take matters into his own hand. This is no way justifies the 1st kinslaying but the Silmarils were not the only reason. Fëanor wanted to avenge his father.
I agree. Another thing that also concerns me is why the Valar forbid the Noldor to go East. Forgive me if I am mistaken since it has been a long time since I read the Simarillion, I just can't bring myself to re-read some parts of it T_T.
However, I thought the Elves came West by invitation. They wake up under the stars in Beleriand. If only the Valar did their job properly with containing Morgoth, the elves might decided to stay instead of going to Valinor. I thought, the Valar can advise the Noldor against chasing Morgoth, telling them how foolish it is, but the final choice should remain in their hand. The Teleri refused to lend their ships to the Noldor since they do not have the Valar's blessing. Adding fuel to fire, as you said Feanor was in warpath, then you have a kinslaying (T_T). I may be mistaken though, I can not bring myself to re-read the Oath, the kinslayings, and the Battle of Unnumbered Tears, my heart can not bear reading them.
The crimes of the kin slaying betrayed the sons of Feanor. But they were destined to be bound to the fate of the silmarls.
I would like to think that some of those who fallowed feanor were the ones who slew amrod and amras.
I always pictured Elves as being totally good and noble beings in Middle Earth. When I first read of the Kinslayings in the Silmarillion, I think I honestly cried. 😢
I did too😭
Manwë released Melkor from bondage in the Halls of Mandos after 3,000 years, and allowed him to walk freely in Valinor, believing that Melkor was truly repentant and had freed himself from evil.
Melkor was skilled in the crafts of Aulë that the Noldor wished to learn, and he befriended them, and spoke many lies to them carefully hidden among fair words, and many of the Noldor became corrupted, especially Fëanor.
Thus the root of the Kinslaying lies with Melkor, although the pride of the Noldor certainly puts them at fault.
@@timonsolus Morgoth always was a cheeky bugger. If I was in Arda, I would never trust him.
@@JoshMorgantheNinja : The Vanyar, the best of the Elves, never did.
I was shocked when I read the Kinslaying aswell....it was so sad. 😭
The usual cheery greeting "Hey everyone! Yoystan, here, and I hope you are all doing well wherever you are in Middle Earth." was a bit of a 180 from the introduction...nonetheless, your usual brilliance - thank you!
That explains why Thingel when after the silmarils. he hated Fëanor or his sons for the evils they committed and was not beholding to the proclamation that the silmarils were the property of the house of Fëanor.
The first elves should've just said they wanted to go whaling.
Celegorm, Caranthir and Curufin rightfully perished in the Second Kinslaying xD. Dior sure didn't go down easily against Celegorm at least.
For not all wars kin’s slaying? Soooo good!
Remember how Frodo once said that no Hobbit had ever killed another on purpose in the Shire. That means that, in one critical sense, the Shire-folk honestly *bettered* the supposedly "blessed" Elves!
Makes me wonder what if the Kinslayings never happened, or rather what if the Noldor heeded the Valar’s warning NOT to go on their journey. Would make a great theory video!
Yoystan: Recites a dark and foreboding prophecy of Mandos in a creepy voice.
Yoystan 2 seconds later: Hey everyone!
If I were stolen from, the treasure that I have sworn to peruse, I would weep bitterly, for I am after you, Yoystan. My heart could never take such a tragedy, and I would surely die.
We only see two of the sons of fan or show any kind of remorse for the terrible things they did. Technically it was more of just maeglor himself. He orphaned dior's children and grandchildren and then adopted elrond and elros out of guilt. And where he could redeem himself he chose to soiled himself further by continuing to fulfill the oath. Cuz apparently breaking oath off was that taboo.
Just another one of the masterpiece stories Tolkien wrote in the Silmarillion.
Oh man this is gonna be real sad...
The kinslayings could very well be the worst crimes ever committed in all of middle earth’s history
You mean Arda (Earth) history? Before the fall of Bellariand & the sinking of Numemor & Arda turns round & the seperation of Aman from the rest of Arda.
Speaking of Epic Character Histories, you should do one for Ulmo. He's my favorite Valar
Me too!👍🏻😁
Ulmo is possibly the wisest of the Valar.
@@timonsolus I know right? He always gave off the vibe of being the one guy at the party who is responsible to help someone else out and the most observant. Morgoth was like the school bully whereas Tulkas kinda gave off dude-bro vibes for me.
@@JoshMorgantheNinja : Tulkas was the strongest, but also the least intelligent of the Valar. All brawn, no brains.
Ulmo, Mandos and Manwe are my favorite....in that order. I'm new to the channel so not sure if character history has been done on those Valar yet but I'll definitely search this channel to see !
Oh dear.... Kinslaying
Wonderful video as always, Yoystan.
May the Stars watch over you always
I would have taken the silmarils and place them all in location so unreachable that the sons would be forced to break their oath
People: Why did Feanor and the Noldor kill everyone for some jewels?
Me: Why did the Teleri fight to the death over some boats?
Admittedly, they ignored the warnings and could have safed their lives. I imagine they never expected the Noldor would go this far.
Your videos are amazing, including this one even though it's a rather dark topic. I remember when i read (or rather heard) the silmarillion for the third time how i realized just how sad, tragic and cruel the kinslayings were, the 1st one especially because it destroys the innocence of aman😕
Feanor is a complicated guy, he is not good but he is not dad and this is why he is one of my favorite characters, he is a complicated guy who borne without a mother, who was killed giving birth to him and he probably feels guilty about it, the father that he loves marry another woman has other children and with that, he feels jealousy he feels alone and ended up building anger, resentment inside his fire spirit and with that, he not only brings destruction to those around him but to himself.
I understand people do not like him but I ask that you try to understand him, even if you don't agree with his actions.
He's one of my favourite characters as well! Because he inspires extreme reactions. When you read about him, you either love him or hate him. You can't just ignore him. He's so polarising and that makes him fun. And he impacted absolutely huge part of the narrative that even events in the Third Age were influenced by him, long after his death.
Blind guardian also did an epic metal tune using the kinslayings for reference
I wonder what terrible thing would have happened if the sons of Fëanor went back on their oath
Peace. Can't have that.
You voice makes even this tale of Kinslaying sound peaceful.
God Bless You.
The life of the Eldar is plagued with sorrow but enriched by it as well. Memory should always be healed as the highest asset.
This reminds me of the Civil War in Skyrim. Seriously we need a next gen free roam RPG LOTR video game 🎮. Bethesda should work on that! Do you guys agree?
Anyone except Bethesda! Considering the recent fiascos with the buggy Fallout 76
Warner Bros Games should take this opportunity
@@jomesias Oh yeah they messed up F76 but they are pretty good at making off-line games like Skyrim and the other fallout games. Plus 76 has gotten a lot better lately . They made mistakes but we can’t ignore the fact that they made a masterpiece like Skyrim.
There will be tons of spin-off games because of the upcoming Amazon series I am sure
I’d love to see From Software take on a project like that
You are such a talented storyteller it's really quite a skill. I'm so happy to have found you!
I just watched your updated Gandalf theory and was really surprised when I saw you uploaded again! Excited to watch!
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Are these your words, Yoysten?
"And, we should remember that in wars between brothers and sisters, we all lose. Rather, we must always remember the ties of our kinship, and have compassion for one another. For are not all wars kinslayings?"
In the past I’ve criticized some videos for being a bit fast and confusing, especially with the names. I love how you made even more detailed videos!! 👌🏻👌🏻👏🏻
Me: chillin, maxin, relaxin. Enjoying lore video.
"For are not all wars kin-slayings?"
🤯
Nice video. I got about 1/2 way thru Silmarillion but got a lil overwhelmed. this helped piece together some parts i had a hard time with
Think of what could have been if Feanor said "yes"
Such a profound quote at the end. Awesome video top to bottom
These would be even better with a super good quality mic if that's in your budget. Thanks for the video.
I appreciate the feedback Brandon! I use a Blue Yeti, but I'll keep working with it to improve it for you all!
Recently started reading the Silmarilion again, it's tough at times but also interesting.
I find that it's sensational as an audiobook. The reader makes it come alive, imho.
Thank you for another wonderful video!
A very impressive video, on a very solemn yet important chapter in the history of Middle-Earth.
I have a feeling that after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad Maedhros was kind of broken and when news came to him and his brothers of the Silmaril in Doriath he just didn't care much to make decisions as leader of the house and left it up to the others to decide and thus Celegorm and Curufin ended up leading the slaughter with Maedhros passively following in the background and it was at the end when he heard about the children and probably witnessed some of his brothers' deaths that he snapped out of his stupor and went to look for them. As for the third kinslaying I like to think that at this point Maedhros was tired and now looked upon by the elves as a monster and a murderer and saw no reason to prove them wrong anymore so when he heard of the Silmaril in Elwing's hand and she refused to give it up he just did what he thought he had to do to end this which of course didn't go as planned and more innocent people were senslesly killed:(
One of your best videos yet.
Cool to be sure, but my favorite conflagration is BEAST WARS! (90's metal guitar riff! 🎸🎶!!)
Beautifully delivered; kudos :-)
Man that hurts the heart all wars are kinslayings amazing video as always 💓
Great video. Very sad and rather heartbreaking.
Another amazing video. Thank you 😊
Nice work dude thanks
Thank you Yoystan
It's a great intro to the whole world of Middle Earth. In case Faenor did not have this initial rash decision, resulting in genocide, they would have wiped the floor with Morgoth as currently presented, and there would be no LOTR. Elves suffering quietly for millennia due to their own misdeeds, Morgoth must have been quite pleased with the outcome.
Seems like elves learned their lesson eventually, unlike humans.
“The Valar have spoken.” Chills every time I read the Doom of Mandos
Yoystan, excellent as usual. Namarie.
You finished the video with the thought which had been growing in my mind throughout the video - because we always think of "the kinslayings" as a particularly heinous act - but like you say, "are not all wars kinslaying"? Well met, dear brother.
Great video
I never thought that the Elves would kill each other, but Tolkien always suprise us...
And I have a question, what do you think, did Celebrimbor joined his grandfather and his father in the kingslaying?
I read that he did not. Rejecting his Uncles and fathers oath and even physically moved away from them.
I would love to see a what if video about this. "What if the Teleri took the Noldor's side?" I would love to hear a theory on this because I remember when I first read these kinslayings for the first time how pissed I was at these elves. The waste of life alone! The fact that the real enemy was out there planning their destruction, and taking delight while they slew each other. That's orc work these elves did; I cannot blame these Feanorian loyalists turning on the brothers at the end.
Another great video, My friend.
I know it's a serious video but just the fact that elves having weapons in Aman, in the Years of the Trees seems a bit odd, especially from the Falmari. While I can guess the years by the shores of Cuiviénen saw some need to craft bows and spears to hunt and defend against the "Great Beasts" that Orome hunted, I can't imagine them keeping that tradition, especially after 3 ages in Aman. I imagine the Falmari only having fishing spears, boat hooks and other tools of craft that can be used to fight, maybe bows if hunting sea birds was a thing. As for the Noldor it seems even funnier, Aule looks at the Noldor making swords and armour and not getting concerned a little. Looking at Feanor confronting his half brother at the feast in full armour and a sword, I always assumed was a big deal because Feanor secretly creating armour and a weapon in Aman was so shocking to everyone, but that all the Noldor had made weapons and armour and had them all ready even before the Darkening of Valinor and the Oath.
Good point! I assume that Feanor created a stock of armour and weaponry while he was under Melkor's influence. Probably he told himself: "I forge these swords to vent off, I won't actually use them, this is my me-time and hobby only..."
@@Crafty_Spirit Yeah, I know in some notes it says that Feanor made some armour and weapons in secret before confronting Fingolfin but yeah doesn't quite accord for a fully armed Feanorian faction at the time of the Kinslaying or most importantly the Battle under the Stars when they crossed the sea into Middle Earth. And again, how did the Falmari even fight assuming they had only fishing and sailing tools.
@@melkhiordarkfell4354 Hey :-) I found a more satisfying answer while reading the Silmarillion. In chapter VII of my print it is clearly stated that several Noldor independently of each other forged weapons.
It is quite perfidious: once they felt pride and wrath, Melkor spoke to them of weapons, but only to isolated persons or small groups - while the Noldor began to show up publically with shields that depict their houses (and their growing egos), everyone assumed to be the only person creating and hording weapons. Feanor's "army" was therefore not equipped with a standard set, but individual creations.
Where the Teleri received their weapons from I don't know but perhaps they defended themselves with hunting and kitchen tools like you suggested. Remember that the Teleri were the most numerous initially (and perhaps still after the sunderings en route), so this fight could have been a small, well-armed group butchering a larger, ill-equipped one.
Kinslaying and Fëanors little crusade in a nutshell…
Fëanor: “I promise that no more elves shall die to the dark lord’s foul hands.”
Also Fëanor: *Kills them himself, before the dark lord could get to them*
Great video. I used to think that Tolkien's elves were a noble and peaceful race until I read the The Silmarillion. The sons Feänor and Eöl the dark elf were particularly evil characters. One small note you missed Uinen the maia was Ossë's wife.
Feänor is a vengeful & a rogue Noldor elf of the Light Elves (Those who see the light of the 2 trees of Aman a.k.a Valinor). He went his vengeance & oath along with is followers way too far to the point that they're still bind the rules of the Valar.
I really would love to see a review of Nightfall in Middle Earth someday and get your opinion on it. 'Dead Winter Reigns' tells of the first kin slaying and Fingolfins journey.
I feel when revisiting these Kingslaying, I feel Star Wars was inspired by it by Order 66...Because they both end the Same way: Disaster and Ruin!!!
Mellon, I hope all is well in your side of the world, mine is fortunately quite...
Thanks Mellon, for telling us about these dreaded Kinslayings *that shall never be repeated* Until Shelob's EHC...Marion Baggins Out!!!
P.s Started my Uni and got this before Lunch, Thanks for the Lunch Time Entertainment!!!
I always wondered what would've happened had Feanor teamed up with Fingolfin and brave those mountain passes together, with the Teleri elves shipping supplies over to help the effort against Morgoth.
Great video👍
Men of the west, Yoyston have you considered the mighty Fingolfin yet? I couldn't find him, He's just so exceptionally wonderful. Please make it so. or hit me with a link. I love all these videos. Man.... tears streaming down my cheeks no joke!!! ;)
Another great video "my brother, my captain, my king"! Yet when shall it come to pass when we get a Feanor epic character history?
Thanks great topic
Could a child not renounce the deed that brought a doom upon his house? Some repented immediately after the 1st Kinslaying, but was it impossible later?
Oh, & Yoystan, the mood of your greeting clashed mightily with the opening quote. I actually chuckled out loud.
Thanks Mark! I laughed at that too upon rewatch lol. I would say they would be able to renounce their father and his deeds if they hadn't also taken the oath, binding them to evil.
Valar: We wouldn't leave Valinor if we were you! Feanor: F*** off!
Sorrowful but still very lovely.
I just purchased my first copy of The Lost Tales vol. 2... I've waited for a hardback copy. 1983-4 I think. Do you know if any of your video subject matter will be covered in this book... I'm very excited to be able to read it for the first time!
These are of course very tragic and beautiful stories, but except for the storytellers perspective, is there are reason to why the elves take death so seriously?
When they die, their spirits go to the Halls of Mandos, wait a bit, and are reincarnated. I would have thought that elves should be quite cavalier about death. Sure, it is annoying when a teammate kills you and you have to respawn, but it's more of a "What the hell man?" moment than "You and your bloodline shall be cursed forever and your lives will end in misery!".
@Anne O'Nymous I believe you're right! But the elves they "killed" in the kinslaying would just respawn anyways, so being barred seems like such a harsh punishment.
It's like receiving the death sentence for starting a brawl.
I don't think that Mandos cursed them, rather he a) pronounced the Valar's policy ("We will not punish you for this horrible crime, but you are no longer welcome in our lands, and we will ignore your future problems") and b) predicted the effects that the oath would have. Oaths are magic in themselves, there was no need for Namo to curse the Noldor.
I am currently rereading the Silmarillion and of Namo (Mandos) it says that he proclaims the Valar's consentual will and that he has the strongest faresight of all. I can't rule out a hundred percent that he did not curse the Noldor, but I think not. Tolkien is not very precise on this, it is often hard to distinguish whether great words spoken cause something or just predict something.
By the way, I think Celebrimbor as a descendant of Feanor acted freely in his life, not enslaved by an oath or curse, which also speaks against the idea that Namo cursed the elves...
Sry one more thing :-) I am not sure, but isn't it the case that the reincarnation system is hardly described. I thought it was an exception as there is only one mentioned specimen and it's even vague (Glorfindel)
@@Crafty_Spirit That the "Doom of the Noldor" is perhaps more of a prediction than a curse is something I hadn't considered, but I think that sounds very reasonable! I will certainly have this in mind, so maybe the punishment isn't quite as harsh after all :)
I would say that reincarnation for elves is indeed a general thing though.Tolkiengateway lists its source as The History of Middle Earth vol. 10, "Morgoth's Ring". Reading a few sections of that I would say that that it does indeed seem that elves do have their bodies restored eventually. It is of course not written to be as clear cut as a simple respawn timer, but I would maintain that death wouldn't be as big a deal to the elves as it is to mortals.
A little grim/great video as always Men of the West.
Idk why but I find the kinslayings to be a very interesting part of Tolkiens legendarium.
Galadriel's father ends up becoming King of the noldor and she becomes the only one of his children to Survive Middle Earth. I know she had three brothers and finrod was one of them. Who were the other two
Aegnor and Angrod, both of whom were slain in the Dagor Bragollach unfortunately.
@@MenoftheWest no wonder we don't hear about them they died so relatively early on in the wars of beleriand
@@donpula6349 did he come back as a pseudo-maiar like Glorfindel
Wait, so if i comment early, i get a heart?
"i'm getting one of those"
EDIT: wait that actually worked?
Extra heart:
Lol u edited ur comment and got the heart taken away 😭
@@MenoftheWest awwww, thanks
Is there lore on the swords and how they got there names
Much awaited..
I kept reading that word as "Kingslaying", I wondered what kings had to do with anything
I love your comment, Yoystan: Are not all wars Kinslaying? So true!
can you make a video about melian and why she did nothing to help thingol when the dwarves slew him.
The wounds that Morgoth and Sauron inflicted were sorrowful, but far more grievous were the wounds the free peoples inflicted upon themselves for those wounds ran deep and none could truly measure how much they bled...
What I like about this part of the legendarium is that it shows not even the elves are as perfect as they're usually made out to be.
I have made an essay about the map of Middle Earth, I'd like to send it to you, but it's far too long to post it here. Do you have a regular email account that I can mail it to?
Oh boy
Alas, for the folly of the Noldor😥
‘Ye shall dwell in deaths shadow... HEY EVERYONE!’
Fëanor, the problem magnet. But what was Eru, Manwe doing? Or it was their "will "?