Standing in line, waiting to get tickets for "Star Trek: Teh Movie", a guy in line holding a large pewter model of a D7 would tell anyone who would listen, "This is a Klingon D-7. You are going to see it in the Movie!" LOL
I've always imagined that the Klingons prefer to keep the general style of their ships for a very long time, but massively upgrade and change the internals instead. With the first D7's being vastly different internally then Dominion War D7's. Their opponents might not notice the difference until they are blasted by modern torpedoes.
yeah so in the instance of the dominion war specifically they replace the torpedo launcher with a powerful lance phaser, allowing the Ktinga to operate as a long range support battery. this helped compensate for its older age. you can see it in action in the battle of Sector 72 Epsilon and of coarse Way of The Warrior
Thats right i agree because most klingon ships are just armor engines and weapons they dont waste space and resources on holodecks and soft beds. This is why they would be simple to upgrade and with new power systems it would allow simple old klingon ships to remain effective. Like when the 3 k vort class cruisers quickly damage the enterprise d in yesterdays enterprise. They dont even use cloaking to attack they just fly up and blast it losing only one ship. A full salvo of photon torpedoes probably ten only cause moderate damage to a k vort. K vort class cruisers look the same as a b rell class bird of prey but are bigger.
How can you claim that those Klingons from Discovery are Klingons they don't look like Klingons or ships don't look like clean on chips unless they're from a parallel universe it's all b*******
@@carolheward6479In that particular episode the Enterprise-D had entered an alternate time-line... One where the Enterprise-C had escaped the battle against the four Romulan Warbirds at the Klingon colony at Nirandra 3 (not sure if that's the place) thus the Federation and Klingons never became friends. In that time-line the Klingons became more advanced, so, the Birds-of-Prey that attacked the Enterprise-D were far more formidable...
I remember seeing the engagement between Klingon forces and the VGER entity as a little kid and being terrified and totally enthralled at the same time. In hindsight, it really captured the militaristic, almost Bushido, characteristics of the Klingons, while also showcasing the amazing technology/weapon's systems and simultaneously driving home the lethality of combat in deep space. I'm not a huge ST fan but I enjoyed your video.
Brother I loves this video I don't know how many times I've watched this one alone. For me to rewatch something that isn't a history documentary is something special keep up the great work.
The Only thing that could come close to the proud and glorious history would be Old Earth's Air Force of the B - 52 Bomber . Witch served generations . On Record we found a remark " This Used To Be My Dad's Aircraft " . The comparison ends there .
Terrific video! It is incredible that this ship was still in the front lines of battle during the TNG/DS9 era, but the way I saw it the Empire would continually upgrade the old ships and make use of them as a patrol force - more than good enough to suppress rebellions or piracy. Their use in the invasion of Cardassia just shows that the Empire was forced to go almost all-in to gather fleets big enough to try to conquer the Union. I don’t recall seeing them again once the Dominion War started so I guess those ships were destroyed and any remaining ships were replaced and sent back to the core of the Empire.
there are a couple of shots where they can be seen in 'Behind the lines' with the damaged fleet. but your right in that they don't seem to appear in later battles.
I could see this ship being refit and used as a long range attacker. I guess kind of like an artillery weapon. Hit a target from long range while more robust ships engage at closer ranges. If it is targeted it disengages, and activates it's cloak... Perhaps design a type of rapid fire torpedo firing system. Fires a dozen torpedoes from long range, cloak up, and continue attacks from different positions.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every shape and way and every detail possibly provided indeed, And the D7 and the K'tinga have always been one of my favorite Klingon ships as well as the new Klingon bird of prey and the Vortcha class, but I also very much liked the Fasa D10 on which I have 2 model kits of it as well as all the other's that I have👌.
I looked online and found not one but two different kinds of complete deck plans for the D7. Also, Strategic Designs has full-color high-res plans for the K't'inga-class battlecruiser. Not canon, I know, but fun to look at. You can find them at Cygnus-x1.
thanks i knew that trying to reconcile Axenar and DISCO might rub some the wrong way. fact is that i like Axenar way more than DISCO. if DISCO were not prime timeline i would have ignored it. although, i have a soft spot for the D7 paint job in DISCO
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I read an interesting comment that someone made online recently that opened my eyes to new possibilities...he correctly pointed out that the idea of Prime and Other didn't even exist before the Reboot films. He said Prime should be viewed as yet another reboot, and with the Kelvin timeline a reboot of a reboot. Which is what it is in the real world anyway.
When i first saw klingon ships i assumed they meant for the bridge to be in the forward section but when i thought about it there was no reason for me to assume that because the thin neck section could be shot in two seperating the bridge from the main hull and the torpedo tube is in this forward section so it is a primary target next to the bridge which is not a good idea because enemy ships could blast the bridge and forward weapons array at the same time. I think the bridge should be in the main hull. I was suprised to see pictures of klingon ships that labelled the bridge as being in the forward section. I think it is just wrong and the klingons do have their bridge in the main hull or they were meant to.
Is it possible that the long neck structure of the D-7/K'Tinga classes was an intentional weakness? If a Kilngon captain attempted to turn and flee from battle he would be "baring his throat" so to speak and thus could be easily dispatched for cowardice.
You know. Naming a ship that literally translate to "Tough Old Bitch". You know. I'd never pick a fight that one. May not pack a punch but endurance is some times the name of the game to win a battle. Wear an enemy down and when the time is right. One strike to drive home the victory.
Hey guys I love the way u guys tell a sorry on star trek ships its great Please do more i really was floored that such High End shows form a smaller TH-camrs i will not make that mistake again thanks again.
Why do you have the apostrophe in Kahless? And where do you get your info on the man K'tinga? It certainly isn't any Canon I've ever heard. I'm not at all against headcanon
This is a great video. However I'd personally leave STD out of it as they have little respect for Trek Canon. Trying to logically put it into canon time line causes nothing but a headache.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Personally can't see a problem with Discovery, and I'm a old trekkie. Not my favourite but it's ok Your delivery illustrates this.
It was funny how in Star Trek online when the Klingons fought the Klingorcs, the Klingon in charge of repelling the orcs said, "THESE are NOT Klingon! They have No honor!" I played that mission over and over just to hear that.
@@captainspire9094 The humor and implication of that line are undercut by earlier in the previous expansion when they had Martok rant off with T'Quvma's inane rant about Kahless during the battle against the Hur'q on the Founders world.
Files in some blanks, at the battle of the binary stars thw klingon's were actually technologically superior but due to the fragmentation of the empire and mothballing of the imperial Fleet their iconic warships were absent as it was the clans private militias and fleets rather than the kilngon navy's ships and soilders. The clans had older and more unusual ships like the "whale ship" and "Ancestors/shrine ship" that we'd never seen before in ST because we'd only seen the Klingon navy ships previously. Vok's assassination also explains somethings, if he lived to contine making new ships for the empire and the kilngon's weren't so "if it ain't broke dont fix it", "just follow tradition" philosophy combined with politically instability ment slower military innovation in comparison to their competitors who whilst starting out with less technology progressed and a faster rate. We always here about how war like and how klingon's excelled in war and its true that in every war with the Federation they were winning until some miracle like a magical spore drive ship and soilders from a parallel reality intervene and save the day at the last minute but apart from that they still seemed to take on heavier casualties than one would expect from a race dedicated to Warfare. With the politics, closed mindedness to innovation and missed opportunities like killing Vok instead of him surviving as the greatest ship builder in Klingon history and empowering the Klingon military they basically dropped the ball.
This is the best klingon content on TH-cam. Where do you find the stuff for the 20th century klingons this is the only place I have heard of the D1 ships.
There is some great storytelling in this video. Do you mind if I pilfer some of your ideas for our Ages of the Federation mod for Sins of a Solar Empire?
So.. why "Battlecruiser " in the real world the class has a specific meaning. Differing from a battleship, sacrificing protection for speed and firepower. Always wondered if the TOS writers meant something by the use of the term. Or was it because it sounds neat?
so the D7 is in my view a Battlecruiser because when compared to the connie. it places far more emphasis on weapons and speed. its simply not tanky enough to be a battleship. i might do a full video explaining my distinctions.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 explaining how Enterprise dispatched the D7 on the way to Troyus so quickly once it's warp drive was repaired. Also in real ships there are three military qualities; speed, firepower and protection. Those qualities can be adjusted in any given hull size to produce differing classes, buoyancy being the limiting factor. I suppose the limiting factor in Starships would be energy. How the power can be distributed between shield emitters, phaser/disruptors, drive and cloak, would determine ship class. I love embracing my inner nerd!
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I believe Tukuvma believed it and whether or not he was just some deluded whack-job is neither here nor there. Vok served at Torch Barer and Ash after him, becoming a hidden defender of the galaxy
@@johnfinley8158 it's MUCH worse then Voyager. At least you got the idea that the people doing Voyager were actually trying to make a halfway decent show, STD (sexually transmitted disease) was trying to burn down the franchise in the name of political correctness. The actors hated the established fanbase, and spit in their faces every chance they got, the writers shit on the cannon, and it was only the genius of Matt Jefferies original design that kept STD from making a hash of the Enterprise (design almost impossible to make ugly. So far only J.J. Abrams has managed to do it by making it look like a toddlers toy)
Ah, so we're of the same school of thought. Those Klingon ships from Disco are older ships. What about that Sarcophagus ship? Think it might be part of the OG "Black Fleet"? Maybe even its flagship?
definitely. although im not sure if DISCO is Still Prime Timeline anymore? but i think it fits with what we know of Klingon history in terms of their technology incrementally developing compared to humans so it makes sense that their older ships could be larger as tech moves slower for them.
wait i did know the klingons gifted SF a D7? i can not tell if its respectful or disrespectful that they name it after the chancellor and then not make it an active warship. sounds somewhat disrespectful to me.
by the time it was gifted the D7 was going out of primary service anyway. the mission of the Gorkon was to bridge the gap between two peoples. by showing federation citizens how klingons live and serve.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 got that part but then the ship never got lived in or served on so that feels like something of a backhand compliment. "thank you for this wonderful gift of servis, now lets put it somewhere where is will serve as nothing like what it was built for" still thank you for responding.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Plus the Kronos One was and Still is the only Klingon ship to be able to stay completely cloaked and Still be able to fire her weapons....
@@johnfinley8158 The Doomsday Machine would fair better, but V'ger is the next evolutionary step in the universe. The Doomsday Machine could get a fews shots, but V'ger has a lot more power than a constitution class impulse engine being overloaded.
Great documentary on the development of the Klingon warship. But please dont use those lizzard aliens again; Big mistake changing the appearance of the klingons who ever did that must have been high on something' Lilias Husband
It is difficult to reconcile STD, Axenar, and the TOS timelines. As you did not mention the Treaty of Organia, you used Axenar to retcon the original timeline. But what really bothers me is the inclusion of the STD story. While there is no direct reference of an actual war one way or the other in TOS, clearly if a war occurred just a decade before TOS it is more difficult to be credible. Having said all that I must say I am impressed with the rest of the historical representation. Overall a great job.
I wonder if this author and many of you ever read the old "The Making of Star Trek" by Roddenberry & Stephen Whitfield, or "The World of Star Trek" by David Gerrold or DC's "The Mirror Universe Saga" because the ORIGINAL name of the Klingon homeworld was Kahz. It was Berman's lot that changed the name in '87/'88 and ripped off both ancient Chinese lore and that of the Japanese Samurai, for in both books was the true origin/culture of the Klingons expressed. Personally, I don't regard anything that had Rick Berman's stamp on it as canon to TOS, but another parallel universe, with it's own separate mirror. Ditto for STD. Berman {Enterprise}and STD were asking for it with all their crap episodes involving time travel. When its supposed to be very difficult, mathematically, as evidenced by the two episodes and one TOS movie, but I grow weary of arguing with TNGers as I call them, too much like butting my head against a cement block wall. There's an old Meme......... "Arguing on the internet, is like running in the Special Olympics, you may win, but you're still retarded"
@@LoneBrowncoat At this point, TOS and TNG are still a product of Roddenbury, and still linked to one another. So hard to say that klingons of TNG are a separate timeline, when one of their episodes featured Spock, another featured Scotty and the bridge set of the tos Enterprise, and heck McCoy was seen at the start of TNG and Kirk showed up in Generations and even Chekov is featured in that same movie. So it's a poor escuse to claim that the two series are two separate timelines.
im presuming in star trek online? by the dominon war we see them being dropped to a support role. equally it might be that the klingons just gave it another round of upgrades. much like old Soviet tanks.
I like the klingons. Commander Kruge takes the top spot followed by emperor Gowron then Martok and Worf tied for third as my favorites. The Vor'cha is my favorite then the Bird of Prey and finally the Neg'var are my top three favorite Klingon starships. I think the knife used to kill Kirks son looks cool...but that 4 pointed big metal Klingon 'sword' thingie. Can we all agree that it's lame? I mean, come on, really? I think it's great when show creators add lasting depth and details (big and small) with continuity to a race. However, not every single little, tiny, insignificant addition is a winner and that scimitar with quad tips deffinately falls into the loser category, okay? It's stupid to the next level. Time has passed, we can start the healing now, by dropping that 4 point boomerang at the nearest recycler. "This is the weapon of a kli...." "NO! If your enemy has a BANG-BANG! It's just two handed 'bling'. You want to kill your enemy with it? Give it to them."
The D7 was not the K'tinga class. That was the D9. The upgraded Constitution class was specifically constructed to overmatch them. Something make explicitly clear in the ST TMP novelisation, when Kirk wonders if the upgraded Enterprise would survive where three D9's didn't.
Hey man, I like your videos. I think they are great but have one comment for improvement. You tend to say "however" a lot in your videos. Sometimes you do it in two to three sentences back to back. Just something you might want to work out of your future videos.
they only fit in if you take into account the events that were in tos with the klingon virus they use time travel to fix it in the end this caused issues with those that came after it and during this time they also cut their hair before war and did not grow it again until after them also due to the virus the way they looked was forever changed they had no choice but to get over it and move on these are the klingons we see from next gen onwards
I was.enjoying your presentation until the introduction of the discovery content. I turned the video off right there. Edit out all aspects of discovery as it has no place in star trek lore.
Standing in line, waiting to get tickets for "Star Trek: Teh Movie", a guy in line holding a large pewter model of a D7 would tell anyone who would listen, "This is a Klingon D-7. You are going to see it in the Movie!" LOL
One of the most iconic ships of the Star Trek franchise. Loved the history lesson on this majestic ship!
Someone dig the story of K'Tinga, now thats some lore digging. Very much appreciated
I've always imagined that the Klingons prefer to keep the general style of their ships for a very long time, but massively upgrade and change the internals instead. With the first D7's being vastly different internally then Dominion War D7's. Their opponents might not notice the difference until they are blasted by modern torpedoes.
yeah so in the instance of the dominion war specifically they replace the torpedo launcher with a powerful lance phaser, allowing the Ktinga to operate as a long range support battery. this helped compensate for its older age. you can see it in action in the battle of Sector 72 Epsilon and of coarse Way of The Warrior
Thats right i agree because most klingon ships are just armor engines and weapons they dont waste space and resources on holodecks and soft beds. This is why they would be simple to upgrade and with new power systems it would allow simple old klingon ships to remain effective. Like when the 3 k vort class cruisers quickly damage the enterprise d in yesterdays enterprise. They dont even use cloaking to attack they just fly up and blast it losing only one ship. A full salvo of photon torpedoes probably ten only cause moderate damage to a k vort. K vort class cruisers look the same as a b rell class bird of prey but are bigger.
How can you claim that those Klingons from Discovery are Klingons they don't look like Klingons or ships don't look like clean on chips unless they're from a parallel universe it's all b*******
@@carolheward6479In that particular episode the Enterprise-D had entered an alternate time-line... One where the Enterprise-C had escaped the battle against the four Romulan Warbirds at the Klingon colony at Nirandra 3 (not sure if that's the place) thus the Federation and Klingons never became friends. In that time-line the Klingons became more advanced, so, the Birds-of-Prey that attacked the Enterprise-D were far more formidable...
Easily one of my fave ship designs of all Sci-fi.
I just think it's gorgeous
I remember seeing the engagement between Klingon forces and the VGER entity as a little kid and being terrified and totally enthralled at the same time.
In hindsight, it really captured the militaristic, almost Bushido, characteristics of the Klingons, while also showcasing the amazing technology/weapon's systems and simultaneously driving home the lethality of combat in deep space.
I'm not a huge ST fan but I enjoyed your video.
Brother I loves this video I don't know how many times I've watched this one alone. For me to rewatch something that isn't a history documentary is something special keep up the great work.
in fairness it is basically a history documentary... just for star trek.
Love those K't'ngas. They have a look of impending doom when they are coming towards you..
The K'tinga battle cruiser and the Borrel Bird of Prey are what comes to mind when I think of Kingon warships.
Brilliant!!!!!!! K'tinga sounds like the legendary samurai Musashi.
And looks like a klingonised Jafar....
Humanity perhaps are the masters of the Art of War but it was the Klingon's that made a monument of it.
Great video! The Klingon D7 has always been one of my favorite ships. Great to see the history of it’s development.
Though Spacedock is the darling of most viewers, I prefer your stuff.
I find it funny that the D2 looks just like the Starfleet Raven Class like the U.S.S. Raven seen in the Star Trek Voyager episode 'The Raven'.
My favorite ship is the negh'var, but the k'tinga is also badass!
The Only thing that could come close to the proud and glorious history would be Old Earth's Air Force of the B - 52 Bomber .
Witch served generations .
On Record we found a remark " This Used To Be My Dad's Aircraft " .
The comparison ends there .
Thank you for putting Axanar in there!
Terrific video! It is incredible that this ship was still in the front lines of battle during the TNG/DS9 era, but the way I saw it the Empire would continually upgrade the old ships and make use of them as a patrol force - more than good enough to suppress rebellions or piracy. Their use in the invasion of Cardassia just shows that the Empire was forced to go almost all-in to gather fleets big enough to try to conquer the Union. I don’t recall seeing them again once the Dominion War started so I guess those ships were destroyed and any remaining ships were replaced and sent back to the core of the Empire.
there are a couple of shots where they can be seen in 'Behind the lines' with the damaged fleet. but your right in that they don't seem to appear in later battles.
This was excellent. The best video of the klingon D7 warship history I have ever seen. 👍
you are horribly undersubbed dude this is of quality of a channel with 35-75K and you have less than 1K dude you need more you deserved more
I'm impressed with his Klingon language.
What a fantastic video thank you so much for making this the klingons are my favorite race of aliens.
I could see this ship being refit and used as a long range attacker. I guess kind of like an artillery weapon. Hit a target from long range while more robust ships engage at closer ranges. If it is targeted it disengages, and activates it's cloak... Perhaps design a type of rapid fire torpedo firing system. Fires a dozen torpedoes from long range, cloak up, and continue attacks from different positions.
Damn I love your channel, these videos are very well researched.
I have to say BRAVO! Makes you want be a Klingon.
Absolutely awesome presentation!
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every shape and way and every detail possibly provided indeed, And the D7 and the K'tinga have always been one of my favorite Klingon ships as well as the new Klingon bird of prey and the Vortcha class, but I also very much liked the Fasa D10 on which I have 2 model kits of it as well as all the other's that I have👌.
I looked online and found not one but two different kinds of complete deck plans for the D7. Also, Strategic Designs has full-color high-res plans for the K't'inga-class battlecruiser. Not canon, I know, but fun to look at. You can find them at Cygnus-x1.
I like how you try to harmonize Axanar with Discovery. Tough job to be sure, but pulled off like a boss!
thanks i knew that trying to reconcile Axenar and DISCO might rub some the wrong way. fact is that i like Axenar way more than DISCO. if DISCO were not prime timeline i would have ignored it. although, i have a soft spot for the D7 paint job in DISCO
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I read an interesting comment that someone made online recently that opened my eyes to new possibilities...he correctly pointed out that the idea of Prime and Other didn't even exist before the Reboot films. He said Prime should be viewed as yet another reboot, and with the Kelvin timeline a reboot of a reboot. Which is what it is in the real world anyway.
I am a big Star Trek fan & i totally liked your video very much the Klingon Battlecruisers r truely Amazing Warships
When i first saw klingon ships i assumed they meant for the bridge to be in the forward section but when i thought about it there was no reason for me to assume that because the thin neck section could be shot in two seperating the bridge from the main hull and the torpedo tube is in this forward section so it is a primary target next to the bridge which is not a good idea because enemy ships could blast the bridge and forward weapons array at the same time. I think the bridge should be in the main hull. I was suprised to see pictures of klingon ships that labelled the bridge as being in the forward section. I think it is just wrong and the klingons do have their bridge in the main hull or they were meant to.
Is it possible that the long neck structure of the D-7/K'Tinga classes was an intentional weakness?
If a Kilngon captain attempted to turn and flee from battle he would be "baring his throat" so to speak and thus could be easily dispatched for cowardice.
an interesting idea. it also arguably reflects the Klingon respect for 'leading from the front' almost literally in this case.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Would also be an incredible motivator to keep your bow to the enemy
The D-7 is a great ship design. Very Klingon, not derivative.
I needed this in my life.
You know. Naming a ship that literally translate to "Tough Old Bitch". You know. I'd never pick a fight that one. May not pack a punch but endurance is some times the name of the game to win a battle. Wear an enemy down and when the time is right. One strike to drive home the victory.
Excellent video! Great detail and really appreciate the Lore and story telling!
Hey guys I love the way u guys tell a sorry on star trek ships its great Please do more i really was floored that such High End shows form a smaller TH-camrs i will not make that mistake again thanks again.
Why do you have the apostrophe in Kahless? And where do you get your info on the man K'tinga? It certainly isn't any Canon I've ever heard. I'm not at all against headcanon
Another fine video, thank you sir!
Wait what? I thought the USS Gorkon was an Excelsior-class starship. :/
This is a great video. However I'd personally leave STD out of it as they have little respect for Trek Canon. Trying to logically put it into canon time line causes nothing but a headache.
aye but as they are insisting that it is prime timeline, i feel that i have to salvage what little it has.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Personally can't see a problem with Discovery, and I'm a old trekkie. Not my favourite but it's ok Your delivery illustrates this.
"Prime" very likely doesn't mean what Kurtzman and co. want us to think it means.
It was funny how in Star Trek online when the Klingons fought the Klingorcs, the Klingon in charge of repelling the orcs said, "THESE are NOT Klingon! They have No honor!" I played that mission over and over just to hear that.
@@captainspire9094 The humor and implication of that line are undercut by earlier in the previous expansion when they had Martok rant off with T'Quvma's inane rant about Kahless during the battle against the Hur'q on the Founders world.
Enjoying this narrative
Great work!
Thanks for treating something that I care about deeply with respect. Now, if we could only get Kurtzman and company kicked out
Shame you didn't write the first season of discovery
What was the source for the USS Gorkon mentioned here?
So, it's the Klingon version of the Star Fleet Miranda Class??
Got it.....
Those things are basically a torpedo tube with accessories tacked on, shame it doesn't really get played up
The AK-47 of ship design.
Files in some blanks, at the battle of the binary stars thw klingon's were actually technologically superior but due to the fragmentation of the empire and mothballing of the imperial Fleet their iconic warships were absent as it was the clans private militias and fleets rather than the kilngon navy's ships and soilders.
The clans had older and more unusual ships like the "whale ship" and "Ancestors/shrine ship" that we'd never seen before in ST because we'd only seen the Klingon navy ships previously.
Vok's assassination also explains somethings, if he lived to contine making new ships for the empire and the kilngon's weren't so "if it ain't broke dont fix it", "just follow tradition" philosophy combined with politically instability ment slower military innovation in comparison to their competitors who whilst starting out with less technology progressed and a faster rate.
We always here about how war like and how klingon's excelled in war and its true that in every war with the Federation they were winning until some miracle like a magical spore drive ship and soilders from a parallel reality intervene and save the day at the last minute but apart from that they still seemed to take on heavier casualties than one would expect from a race dedicated to Warfare.
With the politics, closed mindedness to innovation and missed opportunities like killing Vok instead of him surviving as the greatest ship builder in Klingon history and empowering the Klingon military they basically dropped the ball.
If you can, do the Vor'Cha. It's one of my favorite IKS ships.
your wish may soon be granted.
To cure with torpedos
This is the best klingon content on TH-cam. Where do you find the stuff for the 20th century klingons this is the only place I have heard of the D1 ships.
There is some great storytelling in this video. Do you mind if I pilfer some of your ideas for our Ages of the Federation mod for Sins of a Solar Empire?
sure thing, im flattered you think its so good
So.. why "Battlecruiser " in the real world the class has a specific meaning. Differing from a battleship, sacrificing protection for speed and firepower. Always wondered if the TOS writers meant something by the use of the term.
Or was it because it sounds neat?
so the D7 is in my view a Battlecruiser because when compared to the connie. it places far more emphasis on weapons and speed. its simply not tanky enough to be a battleship. i might do a full video explaining my distinctions.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 explaining how Enterprise dispatched the D7 on the way to Troyus so quickly once it's warp drive was repaired.
Also in real ships there are three military qualities; speed, firepower and protection. Those qualities can be adjusted in any given hull size to produce differing classes, buoyancy being the limiting factor.
I suppose the limiting factor in Starships would be energy. How the power can be distributed between shield emitters, phaser/disruptors, drive and cloak, would determine ship class.
I love embracing my inner nerd!
nice tip of the that to the Star Fleet Museum D2
What is the source of that ship info? I think he called it the USS Gorkon
Are these dates Earth years or Klingon?
So, does this mean that K'tinga was the original Torch Barer?
indeed. bear in mind tkuvma thought himself to be Kahless Reborn. klingons continue to believe that Ktinga walks among them, hidden.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 And now he works for Section 31, albeit still the hidden warrior
@@weldonwin sure if you believe tukuvma was who he claimed to be.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I believe Tukuvma believed it and whether or not he was just some deluded whack-job is neither here nor there. Vok served at Torch Barer and Ash after him, becoming a hidden defender of the galaxy
very cool..great job
He used to have that Kah and he lost it. Now he's Kahless...
The D2. "She may be ugly, but she's a Tough Ol' BITCH!"😜
Intro is fucking 10 out of 10. "His name, was K't'inga"
Great Video !!!!
This was awsome---you even manage a decent excuse for Discovery----well done!!!!!!
Give Discovery a break, it's no worse than voyager.
@@johnfinley8158 it's not even canon
There is no excuse for discovery, all involved should be put to death with a mek'leth.
@@johnfinley8158 it's MUCH worse then Voyager. At least you got the idea that the people doing Voyager were actually trying to make a halfway decent show, STD (sexually transmitted disease) was trying to burn down the franchise in the name of political correctness. The actors hated the established fanbase, and spit in their faces every chance they got, the writers shit on the cannon, and it was only the genius of Matt Jefferies original design that kept STD from making a hash of the Enterprise (design almost impossible to make ugly. So far only J.J. Abrams has managed to do it by making it look like a toddlers toy)
The D7 is a good battle ship the bird of prey is the best warship it is quick fast and agile
you should check out my video on the bird of prey.
10:55 FYI - this is the Bonaventure-class if, like me, you were like wondering :)
off-topic I know but this video is just chock full of eye candy
i love it, prefer it way more than the NX refit.
Strange you say it is crap in a later video on it
Ah, so we're of the same school of thought. Those Klingon ships from Disco are older ships. What about that Sarcophagus ship? Think it might be part of the OG "Black Fleet"? Maybe even its flagship?
definitely. although im not sure if DISCO is Still Prime Timeline anymore? but i think it fits with what we know of Klingon history in terms of their technology incrementally developing compared to humans so it makes sense that their older ships could be larger as tech moves slower for them.
You should do a Explorers of Starfleet/Federation episode on the NX Class starship :D
I had a model of this ship and always liked it. However, I actually prefer the Vor'cha when it comes to Klingon ships.
Vorcha looks awful with the fork at the front and the plasticky look and the nacelles sticking out...
Great video, but I hate the incorporation of the STD timeline.
Come on, Discovery's not that bad.
Agreed. STD is a different universe anyway. The JJverse/Bad Reboot universe. STD deserves no respect.
YES!!!!!! THANK YOU! although I think for Klingon ships it should be Blades of Kah'less.
When the Discovery nonsense starts, I just tune out :P. This *is* a great video, though. Love your content.
A Daedalus with a hat and flattened body.
wait i did know the klingons gifted SF a D7?
i can not tell if its respectful or disrespectful that they name it after the chancellor and then not make it an active warship.
sounds somewhat disrespectful to me.
by the time it was gifted the D7 was going out of primary service anyway. the mission of the Gorkon was to bridge the gap between two peoples. by showing federation citizens how klingons live and serve.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 got that part but then the ship never got lived in or served on so that feels like something of a backhand compliment.
"thank you for this wonderful gift of servis, now lets put it somewhere where is will serve as nothing like what it was built for"
still thank you for responding.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 and ultimately Starfleet would commission an Excelsior class as the USS Gorkon.
What about Kronos One?
its another Ktinga variant although i don't know if it differs from the rank and file Ktinga.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 It was designed to be the Flag Ship of the Klingon Chancellor...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Only saw it once in Undiscovered Country as Chancellor Gorkon's Ship.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 General Chang whom was Commander of Kronos One, called her, " The Epitome of the K'tinga Battle Cruiser."
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Plus the Kronos One was and Still is the only Klingon ship to be able to stay completely cloaked and Still be able to fire her weapons....
You would think the D4 and D5 would have been switched in the line of the classes
Way cool!
The K ' tinga had their asses handed to them by V'Ger. But, a beautiful ship.
And by DS9 lol
No ships have a chance against v'ger, but the the planet destroyer might.
@@johnfinley8158 planet destroyer?
@@johnfinley8158 The Doomsday Machine would fair better, but V'ger is the next evolutionary step in the universe. The Doomsday Machine could get a fews shots, but V'ger has a lot more power than a constitution class impulse engine being overloaded.
After the 12:00 minute mark, you lose me when you include the STD garbage.
Great documentary on the development of the Klingon warship. But please dont use those lizzard aliens again; Big mistake changing the appearance of the klingons who ever did
that must have been high on something' Lilias Husband
It is difficult to reconcile STD, Axenar, and the TOS timelines. As you did not mention the Treaty of Organia, you used Axenar to retcon the original timeline. But what really bothers me is the inclusion of the STD story. While there is no direct reference of an actual war one way or the other in TOS, clearly if a war occurred just a decade before TOS it is more difficult to be credible. Having said all that I must say I am impressed with the rest of the historical representation. Overall a great job.
That's because STD is not star trek
I wonder if this author and many of you ever read the old "The Making of Star Trek" by Roddenberry & Stephen Whitfield, or "The World of Star Trek" by David Gerrold or DC's "The Mirror Universe Saga" because the ORIGINAL name of the Klingon homeworld was Kahz. It was Berman's lot that changed the name in '87/'88 and ripped off both ancient Chinese lore and that of the Japanese Samurai, for in both books was the true origin/culture of the Klingons expressed. Personally, I don't regard anything that had Rick Berman's stamp on it as canon to TOS, but another parallel universe, with it's own separate mirror. Ditto for STD. Berman {Enterprise}and STD were asking for it with all their crap episodes involving time travel. When its supposed to be very difficult, mathematically, as evidenced by the two episodes and one TOS movie, but I grow weary of arguing with TNGers as I call them, too much like butting my head against a cement block wall. There's an old Meme.........
"Arguing on the internet, is like running in the Special Olympics, you may win, but you're still retarded"
@@LoneBrowncoat At this point, TOS and TNG are still a product of Roddenbury, and still linked to one another. So hard to say that klingons of TNG are a separate timeline, when one of their episodes featured Spock, another featured Scotty and the bridge set of the tos Enterprise, and heck McCoy was seen at the start of TNG and Kirk showed up in Generations and even Chekov is featured in that same movie. So it's a poor escuse to claim that the two series are two separate timelines.
24th Century? These are still being fielded in the 25th Century.
im presuming in star trek online? by the dominon war we see them being dropped to a support role. equally it might be that the klingons just gave it another round of upgrades. much like old Soviet tanks.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Took me a bit to respond but yes to both. As a matter of fact...go check out the end of the latest missions in-game.
@@MrRavenBlackwing glad you did ;)
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yeah, those monks at Boreth kept L'Rell's flagship up to date...
The Klingon B-52
I like the klingons. Commander Kruge takes the top spot followed by emperor Gowron then Martok and Worf tied for third as my favorites. The Vor'cha is my favorite then the Bird of Prey and finally the Neg'var are my top three favorite Klingon starships. I think the knife used to kill Kirks son looks cool...but that 4 pointed big metal Klingon 'sword' thingie. Can we all agree that it's lame? I mean, come on, really? I think it's great when show creators add lasting depth and details (big and small) with continuity to a race. However, not every single little, tiny, insignificant addition is a winner and that scimitar with quad tips deffinately falls into the loser category, okay? It's stupid to the next level. Time has passed, we can start the healing now, by dropping that 4 point boomerang at the nearest recycler.
"This is the weapon of a kli...."
"NO! If your enemy has a BANG-BANG! It's just two handed 'bling'. You want to kill your enemy with it? Give it to them."
The D7 was not the K'tinga class. That was the D9.
The upgraded Constitution class was specifically constructed to overmatch them. Something make explicitly clear in the ST TMP novelisation, when Kirk wonders if the upgraded Enterprise would survive where three D9's didn't.
that my be so but novels don't constitute cannon. and i think the space frames are too similar not to be a refit of the same class.
Hey man, I like your videos. I think they are great but have one comment for improvement. You tend to say "however" a lot in your videos. Sometimes you do it in two to three sentences back to back. Just something you might want to work out of your future videos.
i have. in the 2nd and 3rd episodes of battlespace i use a greater variety of connectives.
I had to stop watching, when I saw the STD Klingons.
STD SUCKS ITS NOT TREK AT ALL
*Klingorcs
Klingoffs
@@MarCuseus Whom do you serve? Klingon Uruk-hai: *"Kurztman!"*
they only fit in if you take into account the events that were in tos with the klingon virus they use time travel to fix it in the end this caused issues with those that came after it and during this time they also cut their hair before war and did not grow it again until after them also due to the virus the way they looked was forever changed they had no choice but to get over it and move on these are the klingons we see from next gen onwards
however.
Anything after 2008 is NOT from same universe, so please state that you are talking about alternative timeline next, thank you!
they really missed the ball with star trek discovery when it come's to the klingons apearance and their ships
Tessy d dicovery is a DIS-ASS -TER WITH THEIR VERSION OF KLINGONS.
Yeah, STD Klingons look like something that walked out of World of Warcraft.
@@charlesw5919 not even that
God knows I NEVER WANT TO SEE IT. BUT IM GLAD HOMOSEXUALITY AMONG KLINGONS IS NEVER TALKED ABOUT. WOULDNT THAT SHIT BE COMICAL.?
It's ok to OMIT anything from CBS or JJ Abrams as they are NOT Star Trek.
Everlasting becasue cbs won;t spend on the SFX to create new ones
Great video. My one criticism is showing the faux-Klingons from Kurtzman Trek which isn't real Trek.
Everything was great until you mixed in Star Trek Discovery Kling-Orcs.
Nice job of synthesizing often-contradictory canon.
sorry but i do not recognize the "Bad Reboot" era of Star Trek as cannon. in my opinion Star Trek ended with Enterprise.
Including *NON-CANON* Klingorcs... what the actual fuck?
**PICARD FACEPALM**
Why would you include fake trek discovery klingorcs.
You have dishonored yourself.
...and us for watching
I was.enjoying your presentation until the introduction of the discovery content. I turned the video off right there. Edit out all aspects of discovery as it has no place in star trek lore.