Horoscopes: Do you read your Sun, Rising or both? w/ Christopher Renstrom
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มี.ค. 2021
- With Astrologer, Historian & Author Christopher Renstrom and Amanda ‘Pua’ Walsh, Founder of Astrology Hub talk about Horoscopes: Do you read your Sun, Rising or both?
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This man is a breath of fresh air! Thanks Christopher R. Nice to meet you ☺️
and it's nice to meet you too, Theresa. :-)
I absolutely resonate with Christopher Renstrom’s teaching method - so fluid and easy to understand! I just bought his astrological calendar book today. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with the collective🌅
Christopher is the best! He does live videos every Saturday night on his Instagram that are SO informative! I never miss one!
Wow! I"m so glad you watch! That's TERRIFIC!
I love Christopher, he always makes me smile without fail.
Awwww. You're so sweet. :-)
How cool you have that vintage magazine! I love that you collect items like that, Christopher!
Oh, I have quite a few items when it comes to Astrology here in America. It's quite a history. And one that I will be covering in an upcoming book. :-)
I think some of you guys below misunderstood how simple this was.. In the end, Your sign is your soul and identity so always read the weekly for your sun and notice big trends for the week based on everything aspecting your Sun in the Risings position so your Sun will work as your first house. The actual chart with the rising is used as well but thats the more individualized. Be sure to also check the strength of your moon and what time you were born, day or night and that can also cause a 3rd chart of where the Moon emulates as the 1st house for the horoscope reading. Simply put, always check your Sun, Moon and Rising based charts for every week, because of aspects and placements can dictate whats being affected most due to the strongest core planet of the 3. Hope this helps clear the Mud in the water. Great Content as always thank you Amanda and Chris!
It's what resonates with you most
Thank you SO MUCH for this. You put it beautifully. :-)
Love Christopher's take on astrology! I got my start in astrology by reading Linda Goodman's books when they were hot off the press and have been studying ever since.
Christopher is a TREASURE!!!
Sun sign astrology makes much more sense since I heard Christopher explain it. I still think that solar houses are dodgy. Why not just write the horoscope from the information about ruling planet aspects, and the sky from the point of view of the sun sign? The reading would be more reliable in almost every case.
Christopher does horoscopes like no one else! I love how he presents them. Great energy. 🥰
Thank you Chez. I really appreciate it. :-)
Wow Yes Christopher, love your style. So energetic! Super fun.
Glad that you enjoyed this.
I really enjoy Christopher's way of teaching, great show.
Thanks for watching. :-)
Thank you Amanda and Christopher 😊🙏
And thank YOU Linda for watching. :-)
Thanks Christopher! I’m excited you will be doing more with AH! I didn’t know astrology columns were in newspapers and magazines that far back. In the 60’s I read Jean Dixon daily. 70’s Linda Goodman. Thanks for clarifying how you write them. I always read my SMR.It’s not to pick which I prefer but more for integration, since all the signs and planets communicate with each other and they’re all a part of who we are.
I'm so glad that you read my predecessor Jean Dixon. I took over from here in The San Francisco Chronicle when she passed away. I have some serious ancestor worship going on with her. :-)
@@christopherrenstrom7466 I lived in San Francisco in the 70’s and 80’s. 90’s Russian River. I didn’t read the Chronicle much. Mostly read the BAR. 😄
Wow this has just made me believe more and want to learn more,
I'm so glad. Astrology is such a beautiful language and art form.
Absolutely...SUN SIGNS ARE THE GATEWAY....😉🌟
Christopher’s reference to biblical stories is great for me as I know biblical history better than I know Greek mythology. (His video on the weekly horoscope)
I'm so glad that you enjoy the biblical stories Nancy. There's so much in there that's rich and enlightening. :-)
I'm a shy, insecure Leo with the sun at the end of my fourth house. I have Taurus rising and I was born at night. My full Leo doesn't come out unless I'm in my comfort zone; or, if I'm backed into a corner and I really need to defend myself. People always told me that Leos aren't shy. They're confident. I've met both kinds of Leo. I crave attention and I'm all heart. I'm all Leo on the inside. People who meet me see the Taurus and they don't recognize me when my Leo comes out. They think I've somehow deceived them. I identify a lot with Taurus. I am absolutely both signs. I identified more with my Sag moon when I was younger; but, not so much anymore. Astrology is complex; and, it is confusing; but, nevertheless, it is very accurate. I agree. Sun sign astrology is the gateway drug to learning the rest; but, there is so much more!!!
Thank you for sharing Shelley. Yes, the Sun at the midnight point of your chart is going to make it hard for you to feel recognized. This is something that I see show up with a lot of night time charts. Thankfully your Taurus Rising knows how to stand its ground. You're no pushover. :-)
@@christopherrenstrom7466 Thanks for your input and for appearing with Amanda!
Great explanations yet again 🙏
Everything is illuminated when Christopher takes over.
In depth and with such gusto.. always pleasure to listen 💜
I always read the sagittarius horoscopes becaue I have a sag asc, moon and venus. I relate more to this even though my sun and mercury is in scorpio.
Christopher is soooooooooooooo awesome. He makes my day.
very clear! Thank you!
Love him! Thank you beautiful lady! 💕
What an interesting learning this is💖 Christopher, THANK YOU🙏 AMANDA, THANK YOU🙏💖
Thank you for reading Barbara.
This was very very helpful. thanks Christopher for explaining!
Anytime. :-)
My tropical sun, rising & moon
also sidereal sun rising & moon
I read them all
This is music to my ears cos I have Aquarius sun AND rising, and use whole sign approach so the archetype chart is perfect for me! 😁✨💚 I also LOVE your advice to come back to this as an anchor when getting a wee bit lost in the delving deeper into the natal chart... (Me, much?) I'm going to be signing up 😉 THANK YOU Both 💚🐚💚
And thank YOU for watching Liyanne. :-)
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Loved, loved, loved it!!! And love YOU!💕Light and Love from me to you!🕉🙏🏻❤️
You are so sweet!
Great chat between the two of you !!!! Thank YOU !!
Amanda is the most wonderful person to chat with. It's always a pleasure doing an interview with her. :-)
Awww... thank you Christopher! I love every minute as well! And glad you enjoyed it, Jasper ❤️
Love everything Christopher does
I read both, as there’s an antiscia between my Virgo 1* and Aries sun 28.56*. I also read my 0*new moon in Taurus though.
Thankyou! What a different take on Astrology and I loved it. 🤩🤩🤩
Thanks for checking us out Danielle. :-)
@@christopherrenstrom7466 your welcome. I'm looking forward to seeing more of you! 🙂🙂
Hello Christopher from sunny Seattle
Thank you!
Christopher, you are the best!
I love you guys so much for this.... yes!!
Danke! Danke! Danke! I love the presentation! I read all three (sun, moon and rising)! Sometimes something in each if not two out of three resonate(s)!👍🏽
LOVE THIS
So glad that you do. :-)
Love Christopher 💓
Thank you
I check my Asc (scorp) 1st my moon: sag 2nd and last and for me the least I identify with my sun: cancer.
Let that energy flow!!!
I just love him- he’s got to have some Leo prominent somewhere ☀️🌙✨✨✨
This helps me understand so much better. It helps me to understand how it was done. How it is only a tool to help not your personal birth chart reading. Which is why something it is dead on and somethings not so close. It helps even when someone says something about not believing in this stuff. To me it is helpful cause as someone that our just getting started learning all this stuff this helps me to understand more. So many times I feel lost at least in part at least. This I could truly understand how it all comes together. Thank you so much !!!
I'm so glad that I could be of help Doris. I love teaching Astrology to people who are just starting out. There's so much to be mined in just the basics that sometimes gets forgotten when things get more complex. And again, Astrology is not a belief. It's an art form.
I don’t really understand your meaning of a art form. I know must of the church say it evil. To the point that I am afraid to let many know I even studying this subject. So really understand what you mean could help me with the battle that I have in myself with all this.
@@dorisinhulsen9510 By art form I mean chart interpretation and prediction. One masters the rules and techniques but then there's this other creative element that comes into play based on the person doing the interpreting and predicting. And as for the Church - it depends on what religion you're talking about. The Catholic Church, for instance, was the major employer of astrologers in the medieval period. They needed Astrologers to calculate Easter every year because Easter is a "moveable" feast. Plus many of our most important astrological texts were housed in Catholic libraries during this same period. It's not something the Catholic Church likes to talk about, but they're the reason we have astrology books today.
@@christopherrenstrom7466 Thank you that does help me. The church I was talking or mainly the spirit type they call them. I have tried many of them but always left feeling that there was so much more and that they where trying to control my thinking. And even to read a horoscope they would tell you it was the devil and it was letting Evil spirit in you. So I have been looking for what it was I was missing. I knew the Catholic Church did some of these things. But really they told me they where evil also and just think they where going to heaven. So sure you can see why my mind is kind of messed up. I just looking for the truth and don’t really have anyone to help me. So I thank you for giving me this much time it has really touched my heart that you take the time to answer my question!
@@dorisinhulsen9510 We will always take the time to answer your questions here at Astrology Hub. I hope you circle back again in the future. it's a pleasure talking with you Doris. :-)
Why not write just for rising sign? Otherwise we dont know which house the energy will play out?
That's a good argument for reading the Rising Sign - which is what many people do.
And just to fully be the "Saturnian partypooper" here: if astrologers are going to embrace "popular, generic astrology" and carry it forward into the future (which is absolutely fine if that is what everybody wants), then they should at least address findings such as "the Barnum effect" or "Forer effect", and explain why they DON'T invalidate (their application of) astrology. Because I am also curious to find out? :-) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect
I am a Leo born at 9:08 am and I have never felt like a Leo
Would you mind elaborating a little bit? Do you mean "seen"? confident? And when you're by yourself how sure of yourself do you feel?
@@christopherrenstrom7466 one thing you mentioned may be in my chart. The ascendant may be overpowering the chart. I have Asc at 25 Virgo, but also Pluto 1 Virgo, Mercury 7 Virgo, and Ceres 6 Virgo in 12th house. I have that opposite sign-house thing where all my planets are in the house opposite their home sign. In Leo which is my 11th house, there is Sun 15, Uranus 12, Pallas 13, Juno 27. I have never been seen or acknowledged much. I work better by myself because distractions totally mess me up. I have had some successes but they are short lived.
@@harrymyhero Fascinating! It sounds like the Ascendant may feel more comfortable for you. Virgo doesn't like to call attention to itself and is committed to work and service. Usually I've seen Leo in the 11th as wanting to be seen and recognized. Usually it's a Saturn/Sun conjunction that cramps the style of a Sun placement like this, so the Uranus conjunction is REALLY intriguing. Perhaps you feel more comfortable being recognized as part of a group or larger cause? I've seen Sun/Uranus conjunctions struggle with what I call a selfishness problem i.e. the belief that calling attention to oneself is selfish and grandstanding whereas working for the betterment of a group or cause is much more noble and heroic. Just some ideas.
As an astrologer since
1974 .... astrology is both an art and a science.....need to go back to the Babylonians to understand this.
Both my sun and rising signs are Leo!
That makes you SUPER special. :-)
@@christopherrenstrom7466 LOL!!
To be very honest.... I think (for me) that the generic horoscopes are part of the reason why I never took astrology seriously. And my Sun sign and rising sign are the same, so I often even "get lucky" when I read them. When I discovered the Depth and the various particularities in my chart, thát's when it really became fascinating for me. Seriously, you wouldn't believe the relief I felt when I first heard that I am NOT "just a Capricorn". :-) It's actually not a surprise to hear that these generic horoscopes only began in 1931, because they seem to be part of the general movement towards the idea of "everyone being equal". If a birth chart really is a unique 'blueprint' of your individual identity, then maybe astrology shouldn't be degraded to a "generic practice". But that's just what comes up for me right now, no offense to anyone who does see value in it.
I recently had a discussion with one of my "rational friends" about astrology, and he tried to do a nasty trick on me. He said "no no, I am open to astrology, I have looked into it quite a bit myself. In fact, can I try and give you a short description of your personality based on your birth date?" I was enthused and said "sure, go ahead". A few minutes later, he sent me half a page filled with a generic personality description, as in: "You aspire to achieve your full potential, but often feel insecure. You enjoy being liked and admired by others, but often criticize yourself blablabla...". He said: "so on a scale from 0 to 5, how "accurate" would you say it is?". That's when I realized he was tricking me. I said "Pfff, it applies to me yes, but I don't see how this is all derived from my birth date? That's not what I see in my birth chart per se". Then he admitted he got the "generic text" from an experiment (called the "Forer"-effect), that shows that apparently people score on average 4.2 on this scale. These types of "experiments" are used to disprove the validity of astrology, so these are questions that should be addressed, no?!
Or maybe there CAN be a place for generic solar horoscopes, but then keep it limited to aspects made to the Sun and planets transiting the sign, and don't go talking about the "houses", if you know that these are derived from the Ascendant. Or describe "the astrology for the Collective", which is also a possibility. But I have difficulties with so many people seeing it as "a game", and then being surprised why nobody believes in astrology.
You see, I'm not an astrologer myself, I'm just really enjoying the exploration of it. Yet, some people have asked me to read their chart, "just for fun", you know? And I have always been very straight about it: I need to see their exact time of birth on paper, before I even put my time in it. I even assist them in the procedure of getting their birth certificate (which everyone can do for free in my country). But when they're not even sufficiently interested to make the effort of figuring out their birth time, I already feel like I need to "prove" something, I need to bridge far more space than I can, you know? So I only do it when I get all of the data I need. Because it's a small effort on their part. And because if I'm gonna do astrology, I only want to do it as a testimony of how REAL it actually is....(oh, and I made one exception for a girl who was adopted and didn't even know her time of birth or the city, just 'India' and the date, so I'm not a tyrant or anything. :p But then I do honestly emphasize that I can only access a very limited amount of information).
Could Christopher Renstrom ...
be interested in expanding on the attitudes of degrees?
Notes from a novice
Flagstaff Arizona
Last year in the Inner Circle, Nura Rachelle actually taught a class on degree theory you might want to look into if you're a member.
Clear as mud
Sorry about that. But maybe we'll help to clarify it eventually.
Is this the sun of the natal or transit ?
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Thus presentation (at least the first five minutes) only relates to modern (20th century astrology). It has no bearing on Hellenistic, which is organized around the ascendant. So a very incomplete story, which is weird for someone who is introduced as a historian. I stopped listening after five minutes because there was nothing in the introductory presentation that attempted to frame the larger story within a historical context that goes back 2000 years. It’s possible he gets to there later in the discussion, but to start answering the question by saying unequivocally ‘start with the sun’ must be qualified. It is only true for certain systems.
You are correct? Horoscope Columns??? Good God: this is the kinda of stuff which results in mockery of Astrology and attempts to ban it as charlatanism.
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The focus was on 20th century Astrology in America and the sun sign column. It does not address Hellenistic Astrology.
@@christopherrenstrom7466 It would have been nice to state that clearly at the outset. This channel is most frequented by beginners. So to unequivocally state that the answer to the title question is to use a less than 100 year old popular trope, profoundly undersells astrology as a deeply consistent, ancient and effective science of patterns. The concept of ‘houses from the sun’ is fascinating and effective. But without context or explanation, you basically didn’t answer the question posed at the outset of the video.