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There are 3 times where you did not blanked "suicide" (actually, just the first of all four instances was in fact blanked).
The lawyer offered to be interviewed or do a q/a khyo
@@dougdayz7079 Was about to say the same. Does youtube really make a problem with that word?
@@dainel1490 Maybe the machine, but in that case I guess it can be solved with an inspection made by a human.
the best parts is doki can sue niji anytime no need for now, its can be later when she have more mental and financial capabalities, the time in doki sides because . there is possiblty gather more evidences from other ex Livers in future or other exlivers in future ask doki to help them in court.. niji have systematic fault after all and having patern. if niji smart enougt they must be contacting doki to make settlement to clearup for futures bleak posiblty. and daph39 maybe getting drag for questioning. lmao how stupid
She just wanted To to play Neopets.
And we only wanted to have a good time watching her in NEOPETS
@Pongaa_ Never forget what they took from US, and Took from her.
@@Spontaneousanonymous000Unless those bastards do it again.
@@Spontaneousanonymous000Unless they pull that shtick again
Exactly. All she wanted to do after the termination was to move on and forget about what happened. Nijisanji refused to let it sit.
Yeah the lawyer reviewing the receipts basically just showed how screwed nijisanji is because of their incompetence
Not actually screwed technically speaking the original case for the termination is sound and would be a win for Anycolor in terms of a court-case. He also made a case on why Anycolor could legally have shown the other livers the legal documents without it being illegal.
@@brandonhowell5096But he stated that either the livers must have managerial positions in nijiEN, or the lawyers must make a summary of the documents with redactions to allow the livers to read it. Even then, Vox said that he read the documents sent by Selen's lawyer thoroughly really creates contradictions between the livers and the company's statements.
You can read more detailed summary made by @lostnemesis below
@@brandonhowell5096tl;dr: it is hard to sue anycolor, doki could use Canadian privacy laws to sue Anycolor/ livers (though likely not), and there are ways to transmit the information from Doki to the livers and there are chances that the stream may not break Japanese confidentiality laws but the spreading of information may violate Canadian privacy laws.
@@hungVN2610Pretty much this honestly legally speaking its best that Doki just not make any kind of response publicly towards Anycolor as it stands now she's in a loose loose situation.
@@brandonhowell5096 I don't think she is in a lose-lose situation tbh. But she is clearly backing down from this drama so unless Anycolor decides to push this drama further, I guess that this would be a war of public trust instead of bringing this to a court.
Us: it's so stupid, we should let a lawyer talk about this.
The lawyer: it's so stupid.
even lawyer it self cant avoid that 😂😂😂
The lawyer: their lawyer is too stupid
To think all this could have been avoided if Niji just took the L and shut their mouths (but we all know their too prideful for that)
It's worth noting that Niji must take the L because they don't want their activities going to the news.
Pride, arrogance whichever I do believe in karma tho.
If they weren't cheap with employees they would've had a lawyer that tells them to shut up
Pride does come before the fall
Or, someone in that organization is utterly petty when it came to Selen.
I find it funny how every "leak" of info that has made Niji look bad has come from themselves, they are so bad at making statements that they keep accidentally letting out damning info every time they talk. They are quite literally defaming themselves.
like seeing amateur thief being interrogated by police and spilling all the beans
They just let a racoon lose in the office and use that to make statements
>They even fked up the announcement.
>WHAT THE GENUINE F
**genuine anger.jpg**
I guess that's what they get for hiring cheap inexperienced people.
We know how little they pay their streamers. Now we know that the same applies to their management/comms/legal team. Not just from their endless c**k-ups, but also from the peanuts Niji has offered when advertising positions.
It's become obvious that the multi-billion dollar company got there through cost-saving at every level, and is in fact built on a foundation of sand. Now their cut-price management has started failing, it's starting to topple.
That independents can hire far more competent management speaks volumes.
Doki made the absolute best move by not elaborating and not calling anyone out. Why? Because a incompetent company will not be able to keep their mouth shut. It's a absolute disaster.
Sometimes the best thing to say is nothing at all
She knows the high ground just like her apex games😂.
@@aphrodite7194 😂
@@mezeporta she's done so well. She should be the most emotionally damaged person involved but she's really shown her character through this.
@@shrimpwithaknife3381
truly. Just wish that she could be able to clear things up with the other lives still bound to kurosanji. But hey, she’s doing better than she ever has it seems. as the song goes, She’s still standing better than she’s ever been, pickin up the pieces without them in her side
After seeing so many pseudo-lawyers like 39daph making comments on this matter, it's refreshing to finally have some real lawyers providing some actually useful information. 39daph can finally go back to her profession, uploading selfies on Instagram.
The best part is, 39IQ implicated _herself_ as being involved, according to Andrew.
...why does this reminds me of the Soul dude who self-inserted himself into an involvement with yk... Teccy?
Daph is a drooling moron. That person is entirely clueless as to the very basics of law, and is also clueless of the details of the issue. Daph didn't even watch the Niji statements. It's astounding how arroggant that person is despite being so oblivious and ignorant.
@@DinnerForkTongueHow is she implicated? Is she a Niji manager? Because if so then it makes perfect sense
@@Seroccobecause she’s made comments/statements insinuating that she’s seen either the documents or other information that hasn’t been released publicly yet which would imply that she’s involved in some fashion
Khyo about a week ago: This gonna be my last niji video unless they make it worse somehow
Also Khyo: Overworked by Niji
💀💀💀💀
niji is paying Khyo's bills at this point lol
@@basedkaiser5352 they are tho. Heck, mans probably gonna get a family vacation at this point.
@@mahapatrasohammKhyo can probably afford his own yacht at this point.
KHYO!! USE YOUR YACHT AND SINK TAZUSHIT'S YACHT!! PLEASE!! ITS GONNA BE SO FUNNY!!!1!!!
Geez niji’s pride making kyho work bro😭
Niji making sure khyo isnt out of work, how generous of them
They putting food on the table for him.
Khyo has been waiting for this, after their intentions of silencing him and FalseEyed.
@@leandroroman7053 He and False are eating so good we're gonna have to put them on weight watch for the rest of the year.
@@leandroroman7053 you can't silence those dedicated to spreading truth
I'm watching the second part of his stream right now. While suing the company on legal grounds in Japanese court is difficult according to legal mindset suing for defamation and privacy violations in Canadian court is more possible. In any case it feels like Doki would likely settle outside of court for her wellbeing.
The privacy violation is only sound in his own words depending on how the non-disclosure agreement was worded as he said wording in legal documents matters in how a lawyer can find a work around for it. Though truthfully seeing as Doki's biggest issue with a court-case would be with the initial reason for her termination as that fall within the Japanese court system which wouldn't be cheap as she would have to hire a legal aid in japan while also having to be present in japan for the court-case. The defamation and privacy could really go either way honestly that one would most likely be settled out the other original court-case would likely be dropped entirely by Doki's side.
And from what I've gathered about the situation, it's almost certain that this case would be tried in a Canadian court, since the EN branch functions as a shell company for the sole purpose of NOT dragging the larger company into a foreign courtroom.
They’ll never settle. An extended court battle is stressful for the non lawyers. There is no reason to think they won’t drag it out and hope it negatively impacts her mental well being to the point she quits.
Based on the language she used in her last statement, I'm guessing some type of settlement was reached or she's waiting for nijis next move.
@@LuminousreignI'd be willing to throw money at doki for as long possible just to make niji look bad in that scenario....plus I'd have less cash to pig out. Win win
This account by the comms guy on reddit is my current theory on how stuff happened. The only thing I'd add to it that I believe is that the document that Nijisanji got and shared contained a bunch of things that she'd NEVER intend any of the livers to read. Based on her follow up Tweet, it probably contained every little grievance she could imagine. Then, depending on whether you believe Elira/Vox/Ike are bullies or not, they were either deceived by Niji into thinking that she would release it and were persuaded to make the video (if they weren't bullies), or would have gone along with making the video regardless (if they were). Regardless, the most Doki wants anyone to do, regardless of the truth, would be to unsub, stop giving them money, and stop watching.
Even as a dude who was introduced to Vtubers by Nijisanji, as a dude who used to hate Khyo's videos because I thought he had an anti-Niji bias, the last two weeks have revealed that Khyo, False, and others were only wrong because Niji was actually worse than they said. So, with a heavy heart, I'm moving away form the Niji community. Thank god that my favorites managed to get out unscathed first.
legal mindset covers all of that and gives the viewpoint from being a lawyer. its a fascinating watch.
Given that all communication between lawyers was in Japanese, I don't think the EN branch has their own legal team, which may explain the stories of faulty NDAs being send. They might have been Machine or AI translated, leading to the mistakes that were mentioned, and I can easily see miscommunications happening when they receive a 'document' written in English.
However, they had time, they had plenty of time to figure out what was actually going on before that now infamous "livestream" but chose to double down on slandering their former talent. Unless they just do not give a single fuck about their wesetern audience, and made no effort whatsoever to discern why people were upset and instead thought "Maybe we weren't being loud enough last time?"
@@RWhite_ It's pretty clear they don't care about the EN branch, just like they didn't care about the KR and ID branches. We know from Doki and other ex-Niji talents that they get zero budget for their projects or support for events, outside of the EN models getting slapped onto JP events sometimes. That the EN branch likely doesn't have a dedicated legal team is just one more way Niji isn't investing in the EN branch.
@@azamonra Given how little Nijisanji has invested, and the fact that this all resulted from how little they invested, I suspect they may inevitably choose to cut EN as a whole. I mean what other option do they have? Well we know what other option they have, actually investing in the EN branch, but I don't see that happening.
@@RWhite_ Given the EN branch has besmirched the company name internationally they might.
Tho I wonder if outside parties, like governments, would investigate the company based on the drama.
I would assume that Anycolor would investigate the situation of EN due to all the drama.
Or they might really not care and just leave things be.
Only way to know is to wait months probably.
It’s good to see everyone methodically dismantle Nijisanji’s actions one by one. Honestly if they don’t apologize and take responsibility, exonerating Selen, showing support ot Dokibird, profusely shaming themselves, and explaining their awful behavior properly, I’m never ever supporting Nijisanji again, and will continue to speak out against them forever. Regardless, I hope this is the last time Dokibird has to deal with it. The last thing she needs is more drama, more reopened wounds, and more stress on her life. Let the poor girl move on.
Legal Mindset actually mentioned this. To put it bluntly: They will NOT do any of the things you said. They're more than likely going to deny everything, as that's what most corporations do.
@@PervertedNovaxc3 Yeah I’m not expecting them to, just based on their consistently terrible track record, and the fact that they’ve let it get this bad in the first place. Regardless, if they somehow miraculously do, I’ll _consider_ showing them any kind of support.
I'm never ever supporting Nijisanji again, no matter what they say or do. They almost killed a wonderful person, there's no forgiving that.
They have. Please try to understand they are a Japanese/Chinese company, not a Western one. There is only so much they are _allowed_ to say.
I think there is another problem with apologice about that now, if there is a lawsuit, this could be seen as admiting fault in court, if it even actualy happens.
As far as an explanation as to why Selen jumped the gun on final perms, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that her cover of Last Cup of Coffee, with it's themes and wording, _was_ her original "goodbye note", if you get my drift. This would also help explain how everything that followed was so emotionally charged and impulsive from the pr team, given how management knew of her attempt and is clearly smart enough to connect the dots post-event.
That makes a really depressing amount of sense, especially since we know she tried twice.
Or it was going to be one last project before graduating, but kurosanji privated the video. Her telling people to re upload it caught her some flak, probably hadn't heard anything on her request to graduate, and spiraled down further from there. Whatever the case I'm glad she got away from those assholes and getting to enjoy freedom for the first time in years.
9:02 basically they failed to take into account the fact that various fans already noticed abusive behavior. I remember seeing people really wanting her to leave NIJISANJI before this. With this in mind, they played into what these particular fans would expect in the worst situation.
This.
They already had a bad rep by treating her like a nuicance before last cup of coffee, same goes for Pomu and lets not forget about Zaion/Sayu and a lot of rrats pointing to toxic behaviour by management and/or talent(the clique behaviour was rumoured for a long time).
In the end this was the final straw and they basically affirmed and confirmed ton of the speculations/rumours.
I hope if they go for "the internet forgets"-strategy that it somewhat will fail, its the laziest strategy and going forward wont help turning around a company.
Im willing to give second chances, but nobody apologised...how am I supposed to watch any of them (I exclude the last gen, scarle and maybe Rosemi)?
They didnt accept making mistakes and making flawed personal decisions at all. Streaming like nothing happened like Ike actually makes me more angry at him.
@@Phyrrax I just recently found Scarle and I like her a lot. I pray to god she jumps ship out of the company soon and is able to do so cleanly.
@@Phyrrax Apologizing in legal stuff can be used as an admission of guilt, so I doubt they'd ever be allowed to.
@@Phyrrax everything you said, + Matara and Kuro being surprised that management is actually helping them in vshojo (implying they didn't get help in niji) puts niji in a very bad light
I just hope ren leaves soon, if he funded everything he did while in the company, he would've been better off never joining, considering his current account never even came close in subscriber count to his past life
Still going through the 7h stream, although he's definitely speaking alot of truths.
That is one vod I am watching through without skipping parts. It is fascinating.
It was interesting throughout.
and he not afraid to saying anything lol
STILL ON AS OF THIS COMMENT
I only caught some of it live but it is worth watching even if you have to speed it up a bit.
"nearly two weeks ago" not even a minute in and I'm hit with a flashbang that this whole fiasco is only 2 WEEKS OLD
Re: Last cup of coffee...
I think no-one in management wanted to take responsibility for green-lighting (or red-lighting) the video, since it had ex-livers in it... so it just got ignored.
Same dynamic can be used to explain why her artists never got paid. no-one wanted to take responsibility for costing the company money.
this kind of thing happens a lot in companies that fires people for the slightest mistake. It wouldn't surprise me if we find out they have a sky-high turn-over-rate.
_If_ we find out? We already know how quickly they go through talents. Just imagine how it would be when it came to those who don't have the kind of permanence afforded to them by being literal faces of the company.
But, this is an angle I hadn't considered. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
It is a tricky issue in management, trying to bring up "dead" projects or IP that has been declared off the table by custom or management.
Lots of westerners don't understand money dynamic of Japan, debt and obligation are really hard to bring up.
But significant self-harm will get your employment contract released in every country.
@@neopalm2050 I think he/she meant internal employees, apart from livers
@@M4r10h Yes. I was suggesting that internal employees would have even less permanence since they aren't parts of their brand identity.
No, that's BS. Anycolor owns the IP for the ex livers, the only permission needed is from management.
The only issue would be Zaion who was terminated, everyone else graduated. it's not by custom, its by policy. They could literally just say yes or no.
This whole situation from Doki's side has been a perfect illustration of "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" - Napoleon Bonaparte
Quite honestly. She is taking a huge level of mental damage but God damn she's a warrior.
Also, the more Niji shoots their ass( they have no more feet to blast at this point), they are sinking themselves.
God damn Khyo you re quick! Legal Mindset STILL haven't finish streaming part II when you drop this.
Bet those three feel incredibly stupid and realize how badly they hurt themselves for nothing if they now realize their hit piece was 100% due to miscommunications, and they just attacked their "old friend" for no reason.
Elira and Vox have been radio silent ever since that incident while Ike streamed like it’s nothing. Does this mean Ike is innocent? Not 100%. Elira and Vox? Both are definitely guilty in some way shape or form
No. If theyre egotistical enough to make that stream, they dont believe theyre wrong. Theyre probably fuming how people are "blindly follow doki" and is "attacking them without reasons"
@@GoldRichnessThis is just wrong. Elira has no way to stream, as she is in japan, and I don't know about vox, but he hasn't streamed for 2 weeks. Both became inactive before the termination of Selen, so there silence dosen't matter, as they were already gone before the drama.
Stop going after talents that Doki has not gone after or even confirmed were her bullies. Stop protecting kurosanji as they want you to blame there talents, not them.
I don't think "old friend" is appropriate more like "old work acquaintances"
@@igotboredokay.2023 Spark off. I’m not protecting Kurosanji, idiot. If anything ITS YOU who’s protecting Kurosanji. Pot meet kettle much? If you really think the talents are innocent you’re naive. How can you let the snakes go free without dealing with said snake first? The evidence points to Elira taking the managerial role. I’m not taking any excuses. You’d be very stupid to think all talents are innocent, especially when these supposed allegations are very likely to be true and I’d rather believe that than anything you try to stop me
Honestly had a hilarious time yesterday during a PR class where my classmate used NijiSanji as an example of a really bad PR situation lmao
Sounds like it must have been the best class of the week.
@@blight1885 Oh yeah only had 1 class and an event was happening so lots of food stalls as well met with an old classmate from high school pretty good day If i say so myself
Honestly, happy to see this being in schools so that this kind of disaster doesn't happen again lol.
there is a barrier here between Selen/Dokibird and Nijisanji. But that barrier could be Niji's incompetence, negligence or just pure spite for a non-JP liver
I don't know about spit, but it's definitely the first two.
Japanese companies are notoriously xenophobic by nature. It wouldn't surprise me that they treat a non-JP vtuber the same way they treat their foreign workers: like disposable slave labor.
Could it be because Doki's Chinese?
I swear to god that would be so stupid.
All of this because of racism towards Doki.
@@oompalumpus699i doubt they are just that crazy. I mean Enna is also confirmed to be Chinese.
@@oompalumpus699 I can't say 100% that isn't a thing but there isn't any indication that's the case. Enna is of Chines decent as well and (as far as we know) hasn't been targeted over it.
damn, we're at the point where every major video has that "in the last episodes of Dragon Ball" moment
A TRUE VTuber agency would unite a community, not divide it.
A true VTuber agency is just a business. It's all what they are willing to do to maximize income. Nijisanji just made all the wrong choices.
I mean they kinda united many comunities tho... against them but still
They kinda did lol
@@NicaremE And yet, they divided their own
@@Keirnoth Yeah, they united numerous communities, even ones outside the VTuber gig, against them and divided their own.
The dawgdammmn company blaming selens suicide on talents is crazyyyyy💀
and people are believing it, thats the worst part
they’re establishing that as the narrative bc as contractors, they don’t need to be legally responsible for the livers’ actions in maintaining a psychologically safe workplace. if they can spin it as an issue of harassment, they can shirk any liability.
@@GuiGG300 ngl. I hate how the Niji understanda the community and their mindset, but instead of doing what the people want (and thereby making profit themselves; which is an extremely powerful advantage they have some other non-vtuber companies)
;They instead choose to use us as tools to let us to do their work.
Sheesh man, as much as I thought that they _didn't_ understand the fanbase, I am slowly realising that they do.....
And use it in the worst way possible....
So much happened in this case, when you said "nearly Two weeks ago" I just got like WHAT? TWO? ONLY?
he meant from the termination, not from when management wronged Selen/Doki
@@Vergil.bin.Sparda Yeah I know, it's just that we got updates like everyday since then.
@@Elliot_320 well, it's fun to see Kusosanji's Chernobyl-level dumpster fire
Kurosanji cares more about their managers and image than they do for their talent’s physical and mental health…
also the young billionaire boss forgets, if all the talents Left. NIJI IS NOTHING. its those talents that's making ppl stay and support. Fucking dumb company management. typical.
From what I have been hearing. According to their culture, maintaining face is extremely important for them. This along with the fact that quite a many Asian countries have taboo against mental health, you get this.
Also this statement is coming from an Asian( not necessary but to put a stop at some of the more _idiotic_ members of society.)
@@mahapatrasohamm Yeah cuz your problems dont matter, as long as you dont make it more difficult for others. If anything Kurosanji have only ruined their own face by talking
great report Khyo. btw LegalMindset said he was willing to chat live on stream if asked
Just be sure of what kind of person you're collaborating with.
@@Corrodiaslet's not start acting like Nijisanji fans.
@@ecano77I mean looking through that guys yt channel seems like he is pretty maga and anti woke. so it wouldn't surprise me if he is just contentfarming, wasnt he reading a lot of superchats?
@@silversunnybunny and Zaion got in trouble for speaking her mind. And in her streams Dokie has been shitting on the current entertainment, and in the Internet that automatically gets you labeled right wing. So we should throw them under the bus? Superchat reading? Seriously? So every vtuber who has a separate Livestream for just superchat reading is also bad now? Get out of here my guy.
@@ecano77 lol must have hit a sore spot with how personal you take this.
Wait, crazy theory, but what if the one threatening to dox them is the company?
Sadly I could believe that.
I honestly believe that if the three arent in on this/ arent management. The only reason why they would agree to do that stream is to avoid doxxing.
Id imagine being doxxed would be a nightmare with the bullying allegations. People seeing them IRL would definitely hounds them, especially the ones with more rabid fanbases
Jesus fuck, I just had a thought of Nijisanji giving them a veiled threat of "If you don't talk about this, we'll have to do it. Unfortunately as an official company statement we'll have to be a lot more detailed in our response, and we may have to talk about where the alleged abuse took place so that we can appropriately deny the allegations."
Or in other words "If Selen doesn't leak this, we will. So you better make a statement everyone is happy with before it comes to that."
Ah the Wactor Special I see
i loved legal mindset’s stream because he explained how the law works in japan and how different the culture on defamation is in comparison to canada
no but this is funny like
The fact that an actual LAWYER responded it made me wheeze uncontrollably-
I feel so bad for Doki/Selen, and the rest of the livers, but I'm just so happy over the fact that NIJISANJI EN is getting what it deserves
SAVE THOSE LIVERS AAAAAAAAAAAAA
Honestly, u/wiibiiz's post makes far more sense than any other explanation I've heard.
Agreed. It would also make a great Harvard Business School case study on how comms/PR can go terribly wrong, and how to do it right.
So true. And if you go into Legal Mindset and his breakdown, he'll also say that this kind of legal mess would be great to teach in law school as well
Legal Mindset went over that in his Part 2 stream and he agreed with most of it, but also disagreed with some of it since the comms guy doesn't know how a lawyer (well a good one) would think.
@@Keirnoth That's fair. After all, a comm member and lawyer are two different career paths
as someone who works in big corpo (fortune 50 org), I can attest to the fact that many large organizations actually have some of the worst infrastructure for risk, control, and compliance policy and procedure. this is the reason why most large scale organizations get hit with regulatory findings, if they are a regulated industry, or fines depending on the scope of damage. this is why risk and control self-assessments (RCSA) exist and why corporations hire consultants, such as myself, to create the adequate controls for risk mitigation. this is also the reason why the public is seeing an influx of job postings for control and compliance related work in these companies. but wish the best for all the employees effected by the oversights of these companies.
Thank you for your insight!!
I really hope there will be some consequenses for nijisanji. They shot themselves in the foot countless times by now in this specific incident alone so I hope they dont get off scot free this time
Their reputation already bad. But, the jp one still exists like nothing happens.
@@habadininot for much longer
How many times can they shoot a deflated football?
I don't think there will be any consequences on the legal side as long as Niji shut up from now on.
Doki has made it clear she was done with all the fighting and wanted to move on. As long as Niji stops provoking her, there will be no court.
However, the non-legal damage, in my opinion, is far greater than anything a judge can throw at Niji. The reputation and credibility of the company and the EN livers are now at the bottom of a mud pit. Niji is no longer the first choice to new aspiring vtubers. They will look to VSPO, Phase, or IDOL instead. Professional artists and merch companies will raise their guard to the max when working with Niji's future projects. And fan artists, who have been putting up with Niji greedy policy and giving free arts out of their love for the livers, will not be so enthusiastic anymore.
And of course, the damage to their stock is definitely not negliable. The investors will be furious. I would say they are the one who will inflict the most significant damage to AnyColor.
@@thegemguy1334 And I don’t think Niji will shut up
The best action for the fans right now is to not try and play the "white knights" imao
Support doki and just leave niji until something happens later, I'm taking a wait and see attitude.
"white knights" defending kurosanji (the "black company"). how ironic, yet fitting
@@matejbosela9093 I think the white knights being referred to are the ones send death threats and harassment to the livers.
@@matejbosela9093A color that absorbs all colors in the spectrum and one that reflects all of it. They're *LITERALLY* made for each other ❤❤Happy Valentines everyone❤❤
Literally a "lawyer has entered the chat" situation. Kurosanji looking more pathetic by the day! 🤣🤣🤣
When Selen Tatsuki is seen with teary eyes in the thumbnails, you know the issue has gotten even more cancerous than before
I found the Reddit educated comms theorycrafting of the timeline of events and the central failure of mistranslation/misunderstanding to ring true. Selen's final statement also alludes to language barrier problems, which would appear to fit the guess of misunderstanding of the private document being a draft of the threatened public disclosure.
This situation just keeps going, goodneess gracious. So glad Kyo got out, cuz this is never going to end.
Happy that man was escaping the hell fire this has become.
Also he graduated just yesterday. That might be the only graduation i didn't feel bad about.
A really thorough and well thought out explanation from the communication expert. I'd have thought it was kinda a silly profession to have but i see how important it is to have one on a team now.
Dude, comms pros are vital to make sure you don't make public statements that will convince people you're a clown like 39Daft.
@@oompalumpus699Man, you didn't need to put the clown down to 39iq's level. Have a heart.
very informative stuff. my thoughts to the long explanation from Wiibizz about one specifiv thing might be wrong, because i don´t have the insight in the mindset of the victim / attempting person, but it is very ulikely that there was only one single occurence happening to make Selen do not only one but even two attempts. she once hinted something that there where lots of things piling up leading to this terrible moments. i would assume, such things would most likely happen after continuous mistreatment or even bullying (maybe even either from management / staff itself or at least tolerated / ignored by them). feeling this helpless, alone and despised doesn´t come over night or from a single event alone.
I assume that the second attempt was after the surprise public termination. Like a public execution where all her hopes for amicable settlement were dashed.
@@Utrilusno, she was preparing to stream on Doki channel after that. And she said that it was only two days, not enough time for anything.
So definitely no time for second attempt and recovery. On top of that - she also was aware that her fanbase did not leave her.
Even if I see that this company plans to "change" no long essays and explanation it still won't change the fact they screwed up big time
As always fantastic job covering this and breaking it down for those of us who don't use X or Reddit much.
This honestly explains a lot of the entire situation quite well and it does so without resorting to insane 4chan conspiracies
ALL PRAISE THE RRAT 😂
Dokibird gave them the single easiest way out of awful way they treated her unscathed but they chose to shoot 2 bullets into their own feet
So, basically Doki's final statement that also worked as a escape for Niji?
Is there any moment this girl isn't working to save that flipping company? XD
I believe Legal Mindset mentioned that Doki, to fight NijiPenis in a lawsuit, would need over half a million dollars. As much as i want to see NijiAsshole get dunked by Doki, I don't want her to spend anymore money than necessary. Money that she could spend for her own wellbeing.
My head canon is that Doki was getting bullied for a while but maybe it wasn't as bad at the time. I always thought it was weird why she never did irl collabs especially with people in her country.
Just icing on the cake. You don't need a lawyer to know how screwed they are.
But you need a lawyer to know just how much more screwed they are!
8:21 Occam's razor would lead me to believe that this is the most likely scenario, as it's the least absurd one possible among the ones I've heard. That said, it says a lot that THIS is the least absurd possibility, because how the hell does a multi-billion dollar company not have a good EN-JP translator, or at least think to double check with Selen to make sure what her intentions are?!
True. Where tf is their legal aid that’s fluent in both languages?
But even that point just further backs up the explanation: the company is so deeply mismanaged that even their damn legal department doesn’t appear to have the proper resources to do their jobs right.
Cutting corners. Like they do things for the shareholders and for money, not for the employees. They run it like blizzard activision probably.
Well, the double-check part is explained in the comms post. First actor has advantage in a PR he said/she said situation, so kurosanji went for terminate first, ask questions later. But that doesn't explain why the presumed proof of an attempt didn't give them pause. A tell-all is one thing. A tell-all connected to an attempt is quite another. That kind of situation, where the public would be drastically predisposed to be sympathetic towards Selen, would require extremely delicate handling, not the tone-deaf scorched-earth blame-Selen approach they ended up with. Even if their misunderstanding was actually the truth, the way they handled it is unforgivable.
thank you for updates khyo! make sure to rest well between these vids tho! 🙏
i just love how doki is keeping quiet, aside from when she has to make statements when things get out of proportion (to be fair, since the corpo pets’ statement video, it already has). but, it’s nice that she’s just doing what she loves the most and keeping to herself. it’s only those who are truly guilty that tend to have a lot to say because deep down they’re aware they are in the wrong.
During the whole reading of this Reddit post, my mind began crafting an image of a Magikarp holding Quick Claw trying to get the first hit with Splash, doing no damage, proceeding to Flail, then just Struggling. Lmao
So, it sounds like in their attempt to pre-empt what they thought was going to be Doki's burn list, they implicitly published it themselves. She didn't publicly call out any other Livers, Nijisanji did that themselves. They told the fans precisely who to go after.
Also, it sounds like Nijisanji EN, despite being the literal English branch for dealing with the western markets, does not have an adequate understanding of the cultural expectations or values of both the market and the recruited talent. Instead, they enforce their iron clad cultural expectations (and allegedly extreme even by Japanese standards, hence the "black" rating) onto talent who, because they grew up in western societies, may be incompatible with Nijisanji's management style. Over here, employees are known to push back and/or evade substandard management far more then it sounds like Japanese society considers ethical or acceptable. While Selen pushing her MV by herself is seen as reasonable and even heroic by our standards, that might have been a super-serious transgression to them that earned her a bit of a nasty talking-to from their HR equivalent.
So, in addition to possible language based miscommunication between Nijisanji EN and Doki, I think there's a bit of a larger cultural miscommunication between Nijisanji EN and all of us and this might be why there's such a train of incidents one after another. If this was some random Japanese corporation I could almost be sympathetic, but aren't "-EN" branches of these companies specifically tasked with interacting with western culture to avoid those very problems?
All other EN branches of Japanese agencies have at this point adapted to working with western employees. Hell, not even just employees - Hololive fired Coco and went through something similar - only they learned REAL fast that even if Coco wasn't EN that western audiences didn't take kindly to Japanese politics just axing talents. On occation, they have had to terminate contracts (Mel being the most recent example) but it was done with full communication, after a lengthy investigation, and didn't bar her from coming back long enough for projects she was already in before the termination. Hell everyone was really sad about it, and they made sure to be apologetic and it wasn't at Mel's expense.
Niji on the other hand is attempting to hire college grads for cheap to try and take care of an EN branch they don't even take seriously enough to overcome a language barrier.
@@RobertStoll
Its pretty clear to see the efforts put in between the two company, heck even hololive's ceo is pretty involved in EN for social media wise by ceo standards, niji on the other hand frels like they're treating the en branch as an enstranged cousin that only met during family gatherings or something
Huh, this makes so much sense. I'll have to check out that lawyers channel
Don't worry, Daph is mounting a robust legal defence for NastySanji!
Why did you say that?
Are you a Zoro fan?
Daph's take makes me want to spam eyeroll and facepalm emojis in her chat 24x7. She's giving the black company a real run for the money on who can double-down on the dumbest bs ever.
Robust? More like liable, or at least under Legal Mindset
@WheatDos It was most likely sarcasm mate, “nastysanji” is a giveaway
@@Gottaloveaxolotls I think my joke is caught in miscommunication.
NastySanji => Nasty Sanji
Sanji from One Piece!
That Reddit post sums it up the best, couldn't have said it any better myself
"Better to remain silent and let others think you're an idiot, than to speak and prove them right"
Or a 3rd option happens if stuff gets a lot worse and the EN-Branch isn't financially viable that branch could shut down however that's further down the road and is highly unlikely at this point.
You are working overtime to stay updated. I see this whole thing coming out as a limited run episodic series or a book someday. There's about 7 years between "The Big Short" and the disaster it's about and this whole thing always makes me think about that somehow. Except this time, this company is a lot more vulnerable.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."
Hanlon's razor, or might also be called as Heinlein's razor since Heinlein also wrote it much earlier.
That breakdown was perfectly written because of how clear and concise each point was made
" Nearly two weeks ago." Man, it feels like a year
oh god there's STILL more? 😭
The ride never ends...
I don’t see this ending anytime soon. As prideful as Kurosanji are, they lost too much to back their spiteful pettiness down.
@@ShadiC636 so ironic considering every time they try to do something it just gets worse
@@shinisnotonfire Their own hubris will be their doom.
And comrade Yotyob’s comment police has a mentality of a 4kids censor.
HOW MANY TIMES TO HAVE TO KEEP TEACHING THIS LESSON OLD MAN?!??!
Yeah.. Khyo this Nijisanji situation is never gonna end
Seems the lawyer and comms expert seems to hit the nail in the coffin about all of this. Nice!
My theory is Selen wanted out, lawyered up (for mediation.) In order to get Niji to respond, Doki's lawyers sent them her reasons. Niji freaks, and jumps the gun (termination, preempting bad press, coaching the talents on what's in Doki's deposition.) Only, Doki doesn't go live with her deposition, but a better measured response that is nothing like what Niji was fearing - egg on their face. That doesn't stop people from wondering who (if any) of the Niji talents is guilty and in fear talents/daph go on the offensive long after Niji has realized actually what's up. After all, it's quite possible they blame one or multiple talents and terminate them as well, with none of said talents having an exit strategy.
Doki's lawyers said "flinch," Niji did, and the talents (who see the front line far more than management) start swinging basically.
Reminder to get this man to 100k. THE RABBIT WILL SING ABOUT THE GYATT!
Crazy how if they just agreed to do a mutual silent graduation like Selena asked for in the beginning this all would've been avoided
Hallo tuan kelinci!
1:31 am here in Indo and I can't sleep even though I'm tired AF from work.
Thanks for the video though! Really appreciate the tldr and also, TENGGELAMKAN!!
AYYYYYY!!!!! Fellow Indobros!
Awokawokawok... sinking the yacht
The worst case that could happen is the EN branch will merge to the main branch like what they did with nijiID.
But maybe they only terminate some of the livers.
I can't believe company this shit earns millions.
Just how fucking stupid are they to do every single minute detail on this matter wrong?
It's amazing that Dokibird didn't even disclose who bullies are, but Anycolor literally exposed them LOL
haven't you noticed? only the shit company earns the most, the more shit the company are, the more they earn, Amazon? Blizzard? Activision? Bethesda? Facebook(Meta)? EA? eh? see it now? XD
Dokibird probably couldn't expose anyone unless she plan to one man army using every single drop of asset (minus 200k she paid out of pocket instead of the company for the events) she have going against a billion dollar company, the worst thing about company is people working for the company can hide behind it, using it as a shield, especially if anything happen to the higher ups, they can just use company money and solve the problem and it wouldn't even make a dent in their finance
One thing i love to hear at this point is Khyo saying, "I don't think they'll do XYZ at this point or any further". At this point, the opposite always comes true lol
There's a Canadian lawyer who's going to cover this issue tomorrow on his stream on the Canadian side of things.
His channel is called *Runkle of the Bailey*
This Nijisanji debacle is expanding like a black hole.
This situation has gotten so big it even gotten the attention of bigger content creators like SomeOrdinaryGamer!
Omg tyssssssm I legit just saw the livestream myself but after 2 mins I was lost cuz of his he was doing it so I knew you or false would cover it and explain it too me simpler....
The more I think on it the more I'm leaning towards the comms theory it is the only way what Niji did makes any sense
So its either this or the Gurrat... or both...
Lawyers right now be that hehe yaaah boy *rubs hands together* meme, with nijisanji right now
Just watched the second part of his Nijisanji stream, holy hell when he got to Zaion's termination the dude just lost the chill, then again, Zaion's termination notice is a compilation of bullshit reasons.
I want to be a fly on the wall during the corporate shit storm of a meeting when they saw they had fucked up like that. Those are favorite meetings.
The last one I was in a big manufacturer order 3 big machines from us. The buyer called PISSED cause they got the wrong shade of gray. During the meeting we found out the purchaser does not see the color they just get a painter code....in which I replied "damn you have A LOT faith humanity"
Needless to say our big boss realized "yeah, we got to dummy proof EVERYTHING in EVERYWHERE. To give you a scope of how pissed the buyers were. They made damn sure our quality monitored the WHOLE process.
When major corps fuck up it isn't "opps! Next time discount" "it's how many bodies do we got to throw in a wood chipper to make net something outside of red."
That checks out, when there is barrier, be it language, technical jargon or expertise, sometimes its good to have everything in triple and safe
Fuck an apology they owe her money for the mental torture they put her through.
I think the problem ultimately stems from Niji just viewing the en branch as a side project and has failed to provide the resources necessary to properly support them, both in terms of quality of staff, failing to properly secure sponsorships for their content creators or support them in general, putting in just enough effort to maintain the status quo with no actual plans to grow their community. I think they believe that they can just sit back and let hololive and indi vtubers take all the risks and do the hard work of actually developing the industry in the west, ready to swoop in when the profits are highest.
Oh I totally agree. It does feel like Nijisanji is just treating the EN branch as a side project and only dumping like a small percentage of money to play safe (they are a JP company after all.)
Then they underestimated how successful it was and just let it be. Not realising that maintaining that success requires constant investment into the EN management. (My guess was that the company wanted to cut costs. That's why we have those managerial job listing posts that only allowed graduates to apply to Nijisanji.)
However, negligence can only go so far as an excuse for the company.
Nah dude.. why niji fans have high lv cope?
Love livers hate company is bullsheit
N highest lv of cope.
Niji jp is bad as niji en.
Look Luna from hololive she is ex niji but got bully to quit.
All niji is black but niji jp not expose yet to en
The only correct action forward is to drop it. Otherwise, only the lawyers will win. There are too many layers here (jurisdiction, communications, parties) for this battle to be "won". Just a ton of attrition and wasted energy/money.
This is discounting the leaks WAY prior to the firing of Selen/Doki of abuse, bullying, and cliques in NijiEN, Nina/Matara commenting on the poor conditions and zero interest and support by JP management and the mismanagement of EN (which lends credence to the Elira as middle management Rrat), their behavior towards Zion (throwing her under the bus and template of "rules violation etc"). I think Coms Dude is assuming incompetence completely and discounting simple malace for saving face and their institutional arrogance.
I don't agree that they are discounting anything. It's pretty clear from the comms dude that even if Niji had the correct interpretation and the document was a tell-all that was about to be released or would be used as leverage, their handling of the situation was HORRENDOUS. And the follow-ups, doubling down, and the liver counter-attack were terrible. No one on either side is disputing Selen's claims of self-harm, so in that context, Niji's actions go beyond incompetence. They seem inhuman in that light.
Comms Dude is probably following the maxim "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Just reminded me of Depp vs step on a bee. omg.
The comminications professional reviewing this is so intelligent honestly don't think many could have come up with an analysis like this
Y'know.... Something tells me that if a new wave of NijiEN livers is suddenly announced in the coming months, they might be opting to burn a LOT of bridges instead of fixing them....
Well, they put themselves in this position! Welcome to LEGAL HELL, Nijisanji!
15:11 Is that a reference to the resident Solar Sky Dragon?
Oh... I'm half way through the 1st stream. Legal Mindset streams part 2 as we speak.
Nijisanji is cooked. Big youtubers, actual lawyers, comms specialists, most of the vtuber community, etc are all jumping Niji. Before long, our shitty Prime Minister is gonna jump them too because Doki is a fellow Canadian.
lol true 😂
There's now a canadian lawyer specifically going to do a vod on it as well lol
I believe that Nijisanji's horrible PR was partially caused by the misunderstanding of the document, but this major f up overall did a lot of good for the talents by exposing the company's abusive business practices. This incident could have ended with a mutual agreement kept private or a victory for Nijisanji if their comms were competent.
Seems like it's all over but that would mean that the yacht stays afloat and nothing in that horrible company changes. Hopefully this event gives the Livers more leverage in negotiating graduation, but Nijisanji's survival will always be moral defeat.
Legal Mindset - super based. Very worthwhile 13 hours
If i were to be the yacht boy, I'd step down from the head while still holding the majority shares. Make public statement on the matter, admitting all failures in my part. Then Make a likeable puppet to be in my place and promising to revolution the management system.
Dokibird really pulled a perfect "tell an alleged suspect that you've found a body, and he'll lead you to the scene of the crime" move
Man, these past two weeks have been a hell of a month.
I feel like if you combine this and the great rat post story. I think you have the complete story but thats only just what i think.
Uh Oh, Nijisanji..what are you gonna do? Send in more clowns like Daph to fix the mess?
Too many unknowns? lol idk about that... the amount of graduations and drama going on within Nijisanji even before all hell broke loose was proof enough that they don't give a fuck about their talents.. this was a long time coming. I bet talents and former talents could even vouch being victim to Nijisanji's mismanagement if they wanted to and get a piece of the pie, but it's probably better not to get involved at this point. Still.. Nijisanji is fucked.
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