Honestly I think within the next 20 seasons. Teams are just going to be from positions 1-5 6'6-6'9 with obviously outliers being shorter or taller. But it seems like the way the NBA is headed its skilled position-less basketball. A lot of the best teams already dont have traditional bigs. Warriors, Heat, Celtics, Bucks, Rockets. I think that's just the way the games going.
@@peacegawd5192 Thats why I said outliers being shorter or taller which I think will be rare and most likely the best players on the team. Aka 7fters being insanely skilled are the KD, Akumpos, and Porzingis. The shorter players being like Curry, Trae Young, CP3
@@mxp6725 completely agree. Talent pool is still growing. I am curious about how far the center will go towards the mobile, all-switching players. And again with the outliers, I think there will always be spots for near 6ft players. The simple reason being that there is only so many 6'6"-7ft people and out of them there are only so many mobile, healthy and skilled ballers. But there are lots of near 6ft people and lots of them are mobile, healthy and skilled. And the ultra skilled will likely still have spots on teams. On another point this is why it bugs me when fans talk about the old days and how tough they were. It was more physical due to the size of the bigger players. Blocks at the rim. Clogged lanes. But those guys would still be here if it was an effective way to play. Fact is, they couldn't make the rotations or run shooters off the 3pt line. So now, they can't play.
@@benw7367 I agree. Gilbert talked about this in another episode about how the defense back then wasn't actually defense. It was guys fouling more often cause they couldn't guard the best players. Every there has been more and more highly skilled NBA players. Back in the 90s there were less well known players. Basically like some teams did not have all stars. Now every team has like 2. But as for the level of defense back in the day. It was that there was less skilled guys taking more contested mid range shots. Which are not very high percentage.
@@jaylongivens1982 where do you play him at? He's a westbrook type player. A PG who can't shoot. And his paint scoring has been atrocious (near the lowest in the league). I honestly want him to succeed.
@@rommelgoodie Westbrook has a jumper from midrange, is a masterful PnR playmaker, his passing is really good(best one hand passes), good post up game, is one of the best finishers around the rim especially the pace he plays the game at. Dennis Smith Jr. can dunk like Russ but thats it
Exactly. It’s positionless basketball but it’s not at the same time. People say LeBron just started playing PG this season. Nope, he’s been a PG his whole career. That’s what I love about this game, the versatility is light years ahead of 20 years ago never mind 30.
When positions were invented, they were named based on defense. Guards defended the perimeter, centers protected the middle (zone defense). Coaches who remember this were probably first to get into position-less offense
@A.A.Ron Davis when Lebron 1st got in tha NBA he wuz assigned as an SF. In later yrs tha coaches jus had him playin as SG & PG at certain pts alot of times.
Been saying for years Bron should been running pg and they should put players around him that play those other positions. This year was the first real year they did that
I’m a 5’8 white guy and when I play pickup games with my friends who are 5’10+, I play power forward. I’m an awful shooter but I get all the rebounds and defend their biggest players. Also, my post up game on the low block surprises a lot of people lol. Heart over height.
Chill Gill just dropped a bomb. As much as I know about basketball,it never occured to me that Lebron doesn't have a first step like MJ,Dr.J or even Kobe. That's deep
Once the game evolved to longer jump shots, he became obsolete. He still had skills they were just no longer valuable. More 3’s and less layups. His role as a rim protector became nonexistent
So, What is Ben Simmons? Ben Simmons is a 1. He guards 1s. He runs the offense like a 1. When the Sixers played him at the 4, it was because they were hiding him and trying to free up space on the court. When Sixers moved Shake Milton to the 1 in the bubble, Shake still wanted to defer to Ben as the 1. Ben just creates offense when the ball is in his hands. His vision makes him a 1 and not just a very good passing big.
@@gfbs7004 -- We know that but the discussion isn't about jumpshots; it's about positions. Before you say PGs need jumpshots; my opinion is all positions need jumpshots. We are just talking about skill sets, size, and position.
LeBron can't play traditional 3? I'd say he can consistently play as the 1, 3, and 4, but also play the 2 if he has a hot shooting hand and the 5 if he's matched up against a small ball line up. Not sure how Gil's train analogy disqualifies him from being able to play a traditional 3.
It generally there less skill to play 4-5 then 1-3 especially the 1. But I notice some comments are speaking as if skill big grow on Trees. It's most often that smaller players happen to be more commonly talent to play 1-2.
Idk we’ve seen some death lineups come out with short centers and pfs like golden state mia and shit and the only team you really needed a big center and pf for this year was the lakers but they also had bron running the one so just too much height
With today’s rules positions don’t exist anymore. It’s man vs zone. Pick n pop swing and drive. Position happened when you could actually play defense. Take that away and everyone is playing pg in a 5v5.
He is basically saying the 90s was full of plumbers. Stop comparing the current generation greatness with the slow as a mule 90s plumbers. How tf can someone even sayin Dumars is better than Donovan Mitchell?
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Gil is good with his analogies. He's hilarious too
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Yea, some coaches can’t overlook how they learned basketball to see what players truly are. It stunts growth.
The 6’8” point guard with the 6’8” 2 and 6’9”- 3 is what Jason Kidd had envisioned with Milwaukee when they drafted giannis and maker
Honestly I think within the next 20 seasons. Teams are just going to be from positions 1-5 6'6-6'9 with obviously outliers being shorter or taller. But it seems like the way the NBA is headed its skilled position-less basketball. A lot of the best teams already dont have traditional bigs. Warriors, Heat, Celtics, Bucks, Rockets. I think that's just the way the games going.
And if u find a seven footer who can do all that then wat 🙃
@@peacegawd5192 Thats why I said outliers being shorter or taller which I think will be rare and most likely the best players on the team. Aka 7fters being insanely skilled are the KD, Akumpos, and Porzingis. The shorter players being like Curry, Trae Young, CP3
@@mxp6725 completely agree. Talent pool is still growing. I am curious about how far the center will go towards the mobile, all-switching players. And again with the outliers, I think there will always be spots for near 6ft players. The simple reason being that there is only so many 6'6"-7ft people and out of them there are only so many mobile, healthy and skilled ballers. But there are lots of near 6ft people and lots of them are mobile, healthy and skilled. And the ultra skilled will likely still have spots on teams.
On another point this is why it bugs me when fans talk about the old days and how tough they were. It was more physical due to the size of the bigger players. Blocks at the rim. Clogged lanes. But those guys would still be here if it was an effective way to play. Fact is, they couldn't make the rotations or run shooters off the 3pt line. So now, they can't play.
@@mxp6725 7footers aren't outliers and as these kids come in more skilled so do the taller guys. You taking Julian Newman or Emoni Bates
@@benw7367 I agree. Gilbert talked about this in another episode about how the defense back then wasn't actually defense. It was guys fouling more often cause they couldn't guard the best players. Every there has been more and more highly skilled NBA players. Back in the 90s there were less well known players. Basically like some teams did not have all stars. Now every team has like 2. But as for the level of defense back in the day. It was that there was less skilled guys taking more contested mid range shots. Which are not very high percentage.
nice observation when it came to luka/dennis smith jr. dennis had the same issues in new york early on when they tried to play barret at PG.
Skilled player, just been in some bad lineups
@@jaylongivens1982 where do you play him at? He's a westbrook type player. A PG who can't shoot. And his paint scoring has been atrocious (near the lowest in the league). I honestly want him to succeed.
@@rommelgoodie Westbrook has a jumper from midrange, is a masterful PnR playmaker, his passing is really good(best one hand passes), good post up game, is one of the best finishers around the rim especially the pace he plays the game at. Dennis Smith Jr. can dunk like Russ but thats it
Exactly. It’s positionless basketball but it’s not at the same time. People say LeBron just started playing PG this season. Nope, he’s been a PG his whole career. That’s what I love about this game, the versatility is light years ahead of 20 years ago never mind 30.
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When positions were invented, they were named based on defense. Guards defended the perimeter, centers protected the middle (zone defense). Coaches who remember this were probably first to get into position-less offense
LeBron is and has been a pg for his career. Kyrie is a sg and has always been
He has played it but dats not his original position. His original position is SF
Facts. Ben Simmons is a PG as well.
@A.A.Ron Davis when Lebron 1st got in tha NBA he wuz assigned as an SF. In later yrs tha coaches jus had him playin as SG & PG at certain pts alot of times.
Westbrook is a shooting guard never understood why they put him at the point
Even in UCLA Westbrook was a 2 my man Darren Collison ran the point for those great teams.
Been saying for years Bron should been running pg and they should put players around him that play those other positions. This year was the first real year they did that
Portland was ahead of the times back in the day.. I remember at one point Scottie Pippen was 1 and Damon Stoudamire was the 2
BRO WTF Gilbert says all the stuff I think , very intelligent man. I love my people man ✊🏿🖤.
7’3 shooting guards coming soon
Already here lol bol bol, Porzingis
That’s basically KD
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First ever first Comment ,I Just love how Gilberts Mind works 🔥🔥❤
I’m a 5’8 white guy and when I play pickup games with my friends who are 5’10+, I play power forward. I’m an awful shooter but I get all the rebounds and defend their biggest players. Also, my post up game on the low block surprises a lot of people lol. Heart over height.
'Don't compare me to somebody from 197foe foo'
On offense, I agree, it's more about skill. On defense though, I think it's more about size.
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thank you
I swear to god Gil has become the only previous generation player that makes sense to me. Which is actually a tad surprising.
Positions are more of suggestion than a rule
Chill Gill just dropped a bomb. As much as I know about basketball,it never occured to me that Lebron doesn't have a first step like MJ,Dr.J or even Kobe. That's deep
Bulls with MJ, Scottie, Toni, Dennis, Harper.... Where Toni was 1 ?!
Best example is Toni Kukoc. 6/11 who had Dennis Rodman 6/7 and Dino Radja 6/10
Great topic idk what it was but more of it
with more and more of position less basketball
we're going to the point when position are only good for icon pass in 2k
Both... More so if you factor the forward, centre positions.
0:50 he could’ve saved Tyreke Evans’ career from the Kings
These the ideas i use in 2k lol. Niggas be too stuck on positions, I just want the best fits for my best players.
Someone should hire Gil as like an advisor or consultant
I think it depends on a combination of skill and athleticism.
I just realized the nba going back to high school no position players and a couple of years ago we saw box defense in the championship games
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I like the guy in the yellow sweatshirt as a guest
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Isaiah and Joe with the Pistons used to switch 1 and 2 all the time..
GILBERT da def of A G
Both akill and size determines b-ball position(s).
Skill to a point. You ain’t running Westbrook at center just cause he’s a better rebounder than a lot of bigs
Size will get you to the league.
@D'Tāh TeVï that made it to the NBA.
Once the game evolved to longer jump shots, he became obsolete. He still had skills they were just no longer valuable. More 3’s and less layups. His role as a rim protector became nonexistent
The reality is there are no positions
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Fearless Habachi!
doncic is a 3 who can play the 1 and 2
Same for LeBron
So, What is Ben Simmons? Ben Simmons is a 1. He guards 1s. He runs the offense like a 1. When the Sixers played him at the 4, it was because they were hiding him and trying to free up space on the court. When Sixers moved Shake Milton to the 1 in the bubble, Shake still wanted to defer to Ben as the 1. Ben just creates offense when the ball is in his hands.
His vision makes him a 1 and not just a very good passing big.
Ben is a 1 that can play the 4.
@@semi6544 Ben is a man w no jumpshot
@@gfbs7004 -- We know that but the discussion isn't about jumpshots; it's about positions.
Before you say PGs need jumpshots; my opinion is all positions need jumpshots. We are just talking about skill sets, size, and position.
Emoni Bates = position-less ball
LeBron can't play traditional 3? I'd say he can consistently play as the 1, 3, and 4, but also play the 2 if he has a hot shooting hand and the 5 if he's matched up against a small ball line up. Not sure how Gil's train analogy disqualifies him from being able to play a traditional 3.
I think its size. You can have a skill tall playing in position 1-5 but u need the height and skill to play position 4-5
It generally there less skill to play 4-5 then 1-3 especially the 1. But I notice some comments are speaking as if skill big grow on Trees. It's most often that smaller players happen to be more commonly talent to play 1-2.
Draymond, Pj Tucker, Robert Covington, Boris Diow, Harrell, Julius Randle, etc are all under 6'10"
@@anthonynorman7545 i think he means u wont ever see a 6'4 dude playing the 4 or 5, most of the ppl u listed are 6'6 and up
Idk we’ve seen some death lineups come out with short centers and pfs like golden state mia and shit and the only team you really needed a big center and pf for this year was the lakers but they also had bron running the one so just too much height
coach GIL
I wonder what he thinks about Ben Simmons running the point
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No one in his right mind would make Durant or Dirk bang inside all day
I disagree. Mostly skill but size also plays a role too
Gil needs to Coach lol
I feel like he will get a job soon. Magic need him. Washington ain't ever gonna bring him back lol. HE ROBBED EM😂😂😂😂😂
Nah it’s size for the most part. Earl boykin can’t be a forward lol. Height and skill really matters
Nigga nobody says shit about him being a forward watch the video
I thought he was a WNBA player off the thumbnail
1974 😊
With today’s rules positions don’t exist anymore. It’s man vs zone. Pick n pop swing and drive. Position happened when you could actually play defense. Take that away and everyone is playing pg in a 5v5.
positions still exist and everyone can't play pg or read a defense lol.
Defenses are far more complex now. It’s a fallacy that old defenses were better
@@christianjames9667 disagree it's much of the same stuff. there is nothing new under the sun.
@@freddycalipari4242 Right. Gimmicky sets don’t last long, so everything used is simply a variation of what is already there.
That doesn’t even make sense.
1974 😅
He is basically saying the 90s was full of plumbers. Stop comparing the current generation greatness with the slow as a mule 90s plumbers. How tf can someone even sayin Dumars is better than Donovan Mitchell?