Panasonic 20mm Pancake VS. 25mm f1.7
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In this video I compare the panasonic 20mm to the 25mm lens. Each lens has its place, but I prefer one over the other.
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Whats that attached to the front of the lens in 3:07 please? I have seen it many times, but dont know what it is...
A variable ND filter and step up rings to fit the lens.
Thnaks
Could you send me a link or a name for it so i can buy it?
www.kortingcamera.nl/lens-filter/lens-filter-uv-filter?product_id=918 it's a dutch site, but you should just search for step up uv filter rings.
Which step up rings do I habe to buy for the 25mm? It‘s filter size is 46mm but nearly every step up ring bundle, including the One recommended in the link, hasn‘t got a 46mm Filter size step up Ring. Or are you Abos to use a 49mm ring too?
I don’t know how is it possible for a pancake lens to be such as sharp. It’s sharper than all other my lenses: 8-18mm Leica, 12-40mm pro Olympus, 35-100mm Lumix II and 14-150mm Olympus! It’s fantastic.
I've watched so many reviews trying to decide between these two low-light lenses. I wish I watched this one first. Thank you!
Great video man! I've been using the 25mm f/1.7 for more than a month now and I love it!
Just got the 25mm today for my GH4. Have not had a chance to take it for a spin but definitely appreciate your vid!
THANK YOU!!! You answered my questions exactly. Trying to cheap out on gear and I've been eyeballing this lens.
Cheers man! enjoy! If you have any other suggestions for videos let me know :)
Slow focus is the thing that stops me from using my 20mm. I have the 25 but I find myself using the 12-32 most.
Really liked your video!
Thank you for the video! Needed this.
Good video! thank you. Just bought the 20mm thanks for the info.
This was very helpful. Am trying to decide on a prime lens for my GX85!
Excellent video. I think you make a compelling case for the 25mm in general. I also note that Max Yuryev has several times recommended the 25mm as the best first lens after the kit zoom that comes with many cameras. In my own case, however, I needed something to work with a specific fixed tripod position in a small room, with focus set over wifi using Panasonic's android app. By experimenting using a zoom lens I determined that 20mm was the right fit for me. I'm happy with my purchase but I agree that the ergonomics are a bit awkward with the small size, even for getting the lens on and off the body. The focus ring takes up so much of the depth of the lens there's not a lot to grip on. And the auto-focusing is not just slow (actually that doesn't really bother me even though it's noticeable), but it's also quite noisy. Again not a problem in my own situation, but worth knowing about for someone considering the lens.
Thank you for the recommendation.
Thanks for the awesome review. I think I'm probably gonna pick up the 25mm for my G7.
non stabilized lens on a non stabilized body ?
Solid! You have sold me on the 25mm :D
great help ......made up my mind on the two lens
Great VIdeo! Very informative thanks...
I use the 25mm on my G85 and it might be my favorite lens. I use the Panasonic 14-140mm a lot outdoors but inside the 25 rules.
Good job on this review my man. I'm looking at the 20 also I have the Sigma 19 MM, but the 2.8 is not good for low light. I reviewed the 25 MM on my channel and it's exceptional but the way the manual focus behaves throws me off . You've got some very informative videos on your channel.
Another question which one is better 25mm 1.7 or the 12-35mm 2.8. what it is the pro and cons for both lens
Have been researching about the 20mm vs the 25mm for what feels like forever- finally deciding to go with the 25. Thank you so much for a very helpful review!
Extremely helpful review!!!
Thank you for enlighten me up. Really need this. I guess using 25mm is more practical on my GH5ii
I picked up the old 20mm for a nice price. It's on my GX85 a lot of the time, makes a great little walk around combo. (and yeah, it doesn't focus great for video..)
Thanks for the info!
LOVED that video !
I have a GH5 with a couple of the Panasonic zooms lenses about a month ago. I just got the 20mm pancake as my first prime lens from Amazon. The first thing I noticed was the way it felt in the hand and how you have to “racecar” the focus ring like a five-year-old.
Obviously, every lens is a compromise in some way. I don’t this will be a problem for me as I shoot still and video.
I have not mastered a technique where you “auto assist” manual focusing. This would make this lens more useful, especially for video... and it would help me so nice I wear eyeglasses and have to put them on & off all the the time!
I like the compact size of the 20mm. I also like the wider angle. To each their own.
I have the 20mm 1.7 panasonic lens but not sure if it's the pancake. What does this mean?
Great work
I have the 20mm pancake and mainly use it on my GH5 for gimbal shots. Don't have the 25mm 1.7 but I do have the "PanaLeica" 25mm 1.4, it's a sweet lens.
Is this set (20 f1.7+GH5) works for gimbal shot? Thx
Great Video ! Thanks.
One question: What do you mean by autofocus single ? You remapped the AE LOCK button right ?
yes I changed AE LOCK to AF-ON so it makes the camera snap to focus quickly. I find this to be more user friendly than the touch screen AF button, personal preference of course.
A different, yet informative analysis. I have the 25mm and happy with the results.
I have both and use both but I prefer the field of view and image quality of the 20mm. The 20mm and a small aluminium vented hood are always on my camera, I don't even bother with lens cap on it. I don't manual focus much in this range anyway.
For video the 25mm is better and the 42.5 is a nice combo to go with it.
Still, I'd rather take the 20mm when going out with only one or two lens. At the price they sell I don't see why not getting both.
5mm make quite a big difference on m43 crop.
Take that aluminum hood off, that motor on 20mm is already too slow to focus without aluminum hood attached DIRECTLY to the moving piece on the front of the lens.
While I do agree with you... the 20mm has its uses and it's place. Same way the Olympus 17mm is pretty useful too. Yes the size is terrible... Focus ring may stress you a bit... but try shooting a music video with the 20MM and you might change your mind. BTW lovely intro.
Question, I am not clear if with his music video he changed his mind for better or for worse. Thank you
I have the 20mm II, it was the kit lens with my GX7. I shoot stills mostly and for that purpose it is a great lens. Sometimes I feel the af is slow but the size makes the camera so compact. I wish Pany would make a new pancake, that would be interesting.
I have both the 20mm and the 12-35mm. The 20mm is extremely sharp... maybe even sharper than the 12-35mm, for stills at least. But as you say it has pretty slow AF and the manual focus is a pain if you do videos... its gonna be all shaky because you have to move your hand so much. Checkout my video I did with the 20mm! ;)
I prefer the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 for auto focus travel and use the manual Mitakon 25mm f0.95 for low light. Have you upgraded to the new firmware? With my GH5, the 20mm does autofocus fine now. It does not do AFC for photos or focus transitions, and the motors are loud when taking photos, but for some reason the motors are smooth and silent when autofocusing video.
Could you please confirm that 20 f1.7 is work for video? Especially auto focus on GH. I would like to buy it for photo (30%) and video (70%).Thx.
Nice video, but, the 20 is the one for me since 11 years ( have both )
Heres a random question that I wishfully thought you'd answer in this vid haha. How is the comparison between the 25mm 1.7 and the 12-35mm zoomed at 25mm. Weird thing to ask but i'm curious about their differences and similarities. Cheers for the video also btw, really good and a thumbs up.
I'm debating which one to buy... I heard 25mm has bad focus shift issue where 20mm has no issue.
hello me i have a gh5 camera, i buy a 25mm lens which recalls at 1.7 ... but when i film at 1.7 i have too much light coming in ... suddenly even the buildings which are behind or even the sky becomes too white .... however I would like to film in 1.7 to have the beautiful blur, how to settle this problem .... thank you
You need a neutral density filter to reduce the light while maintaining the shutter, base ISO, and wide open aperture.
Also IIRC, you get a hood with the 25mm but not the 20mm.
Thanks for the video! I think i gonna buy the 25mm
Should i go for Lumix 25mm 1.7f or the Sigma 30mm 1.4 on my f85, especially for videos
I had both. Get the 25 the visuals is basically the same
I have the Gx85 as well. How do you focus with the 25mm lens (using the focus ring)? In what settings do you put it on, so you can use the focus ring? I sound noob but I tried all settings and it doesn't let me use focus ring. Maybe I overlook a setting.
you need to turn on Manual Focus. If youre in Video Mode click menu, top video tab on the left, page 2 youll see "focus mode" change that to MF. Also on the Custom Menu (tab 2 on the left) page 3, you want to select "AF+MF" and turn that ON.
That should fix your problem Mark!
Thanks! It did. Really appreciate it! Keep posting tutorial and tricks with Gx85! Love the content!
Mark Anthony Penarroyo currently working on some! Cheers!
I have both and i will sell the 25mm. For me the 20mm is worth the extra money. Better build, smaller and slightly sharper. I would take the 25mm only if you realy are on budget and don't mind a lens which feels like a toy.
is the autofocus slow on the 20mm?
@@zarahovasapyan2918 slower by a bit.
Hi, Ryan, great review! I am GH4 beginner user and have this 12-35 mm lens. Recently I am trying to practice the focus pulling trick from foreground to the background using follow focus system but I noticed the focus distance of this lens doesn't physically stand at fixed position. I set two marks on the focus ring but could repeat the focus pulling cause it's very difficult to keep a constant pulling speed. So if I am trying to do this type of shot, what kind of lens should work? Will regular prime lens work?
Fangshi Zhu so the Panasonic lenses are what's called "focus by wire" meaning there's no fixed positions. Some primes, like the ones in this video, are also focus by wire. What you are trying to do will require a fully manual or cine lens. Check out the Rokinon cines might be just what you want.
Thanks a lot! Also when I zoom in/out, the camera also loses focus. I guess this fully manual cine lens with keep focus and aperture fixed?
Fangshi Zhu yeah many lenses lose focus when zooming. The ones that keep focus when zooming are called "parfocal" lenses.
Thanks a lot!
i'm about to save some money ! thank's man !
Do you still own the GX85? Did you upgrade to the G8?
Marco Rosales I’m using a gh5 and gh5s currently. Really keen to try the gx9 hopefully soon.
Love you're intro!
*your
LuukJuuh oh hey thanks 👍😏
Have you tried the Olympus 25mm?
Jared M Johnson no I have not
Which filter nd is that? In the minute 3:07
Cesar Cuevas tiffen 77mm variable ND with some step rings. I just buy 1 filter for my biggest lens and cheap step rings to fit it to all the rest.
hi, what about the image quality on 25mm ? cos it hasn't got the stabilization!
Has the 20mm got stabilization then?
@@mikemorley2797 no neither has
I use a wide angle adaptor on the 25mm if I need it a bit more wide ,the 20mm pancake is too slow at autofocus when it comes to video
love my 25mm with my Gh4
the 20mm is superior optically ,which is the aim of the game so to speak,where as.the 25mm suffers badly with focus shift,video doesn't bother me as I shoot stills,so I'd take the quality of the 20mm over the look/focus ring of the 25mm
the 25 suffers badly from focus shift,whether that solely for stills or if it occurs also in video . the 25 looks esthetically more pleasing though and with the inclusion of a hood,the 20 is also sharper when both are used without stop down focusing the 25mm
For video, there is no comparison. 20mm is way too slow for focus.
Hi great video, i did bought this lens!! Can someone please explain me the crop factor? i mean is by 2 in micro fourth thirds yeah, but that means that the 25 mm lens in my panasonic g7 is the equivalent image to a 50 mm or the 25 mm lens only looks like a 50 mm in a full frame camera.
crop factor refers to "full frame equivalent". People will say Micro Four Thirds is a 2X crop factor, meaning you multiply everything the lens does by 2 and that if your full frame equivalent. The 25mm lens has the effective focal length of a 50mm. You cannot put this 25mm onto a full frame camera, it wont cover the sensor since it is designed for MFT sensors. That is way you see a lot of "strange" focal lengths in MFT lenses. Things like 17.5 (which is a 35mm FF equivalent) or 42.5 (85mm FF equivalent) and so on. This also applies to Depth of Field but the math there gets a little more complicated and frankly is over my head. The short answer is this. Think of the 25mm f1.7 as panasonic's "nifty fifty". I hope this helps!
lumix lenses are so good but so expensive especially if ur not a rich photographer he he but a very impressive lens to use in all occasion for me
have you tried the 25 mm F0,95 nokton from voigtlander? that lens is a beauty for video :)
Kammie sadly no. I'd love to get my hands on that and the Mitakon
My 25mm is sharper than my 20mm II. Just slightly sharper and better contrast with the 25mm 1.7. For video the 25 is much better. Not even close. I am also using it on the GX85.
Maybe you got a special 25mm lol
Hey dude ! I just bought a GX85 and I'm struggling with my first lenses... I only shoot video , B-roll and want a cinematic effect. I'm hesitating between the combo 20mm 1.7 + 45mm 1.8 (cost me 450€) or to buy 17mm 1.8 and take the 25mm 1.7... What would you suggest ?
@@benjaminkats3401 The 20mm is bad for video. Noisy and pulsing all the time. Great for photos, bad for video. The 17mm is also not so great for video. The 42.5 and 15mm combo works great for videos.
@@timlove49 Thanks for your reply ! I never use autofocus I always shoot in MF . Is your comment still relevant ?
@@benjaminkats3401 If you are manual focusing I would skip the new lenses and for much cheaper buy a good selection of vintage lenses. That is except for a good wide angle lens. You will need a newer manual 12mm or wider lens to go with the vintage lenses.
Buying my very first lens for my GH5 body. I just cannot decide which lens of these two I should get but I know I want a prime. Spent hours and hours reading reviews on Amazon and B&H and watched over a dozen videos. I am just unable to make a decision so I decided to ask you here.
I am going to be using this camera for video only. Short films and TH-cam videos. Shallow depth of field is important to me, so is sharpness. The f/1.7 it's only $147.99 right now but the f/1.4 it's $597.99. The f/1.7 it is just 1/4 of the f/1.4's price. That is a significant amount. Yes, you gain a stop of light, but... is it really worth it? Considering that they are both made out of plastic. Is the sharpness difference in 4K video at all noticeable? Is the shallow depth of field difference between f/1.4 and f/1.7 just practically inexistent?
Big question is: If you were in this situation, which 25mm lens would you get?
Thank you very much!!
Great question Ben, I haven't used the 25mm f1.4 but I do have the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 + Speedbooster so gives me effectively a 25mm f1.2. I will say the DOF difference between f1.7 and f1.2 is minor, but you can tell when you try and focus. If I were in your shoes I would get the f1.7 (fantastic bang for buck with this lens. underrated a bit in my opinion as most photographers prefer the 20mm) and use the extra cash to get another prime or the 12-35 f2.8 zoom. That is the most flexible lens I own and cant recommend it enough. Hope this helps!
Ryan Timms Aweome Ryan. Thank you for your answer. I did get the 1.4 and the 15mm 1.7. Im about to purchase a $18.99 adapter for Nikkor lenses to MFT. Manual focus but I can use my Nikkor 24-70 and 70-200 if ever needed. Cheers man and happy 2018!! 👍🏻👍🏻
i've been using my old 20mm for years, it works well
2020 here purchased the 25mm after watching this video
Me too!
i m sorry but the 20 mm has a better quality. for sure.
Good but the intro is really annoying
I actually loved it and thought it was really creative. To each their own!
Horror and Humor We all have different preferences I guess
Bla bla bla and nothing about really testing in this video
Great work