I am in Torrance and I was looking at a Mirai but the lack of stations made me buy a clarity PHEV I would love the mirai but just can’t due to lack of stations
I live just north of Montebello, so north side of the "desert". I have to drive about 11 miles to get to the Baldwin Park station. Shell was going to put a hydrogen station near the 605 and Peck Rd area and I was looking forward to it, but then Shell has pulled out of the LD hydrogen station business, so that is out. However, True Zero has identified a station in South San Gabriel, just off of the 60 where they plan to install hydrogen dispensers. That would be ideal for me, though I know it will be a few years down the road.
The La Mirada (La Habra) station is an Iwatani station using Cavendish (formerly Nel) Hydrogen equipment. The equipment was found to be inadequate, so much so that Iwatani is suing Cavendish. Currently Iwatani and/or Cavendish has been using Seal Beach and Corona to update the equipment. Until Iwatani is confident that they have an operational station, La Mirada and the five other completed stations won't fully open.
@@LeicesterMike There is no single "proper range". Honda's CR-V FCEV can work nicely for a daily commuter of under 30 miles and has a reliable hydrogen station nearby.
@@bruhabox The 2025 Honda CR-V e:FCEV has a 17.7-kWh battery. This battery provides an all-electric range of 29 miles. that is less than 2 miles per kWh most modern BEV manage 4+ .so carrying that redundant Fuel Cell and H2 tanks makes the vehicle really inefficient.
@@LeicesterMike Someone who has the CR-V FCEV posted that he charged the battery from 0 miles left on the battery to 100% overnight and it cost him $3.15 given his $/KW. He didn't complain about efficiency or inefficiency and I don't think he cares. He prefers a FCEV (it's his 3rd one) but given the limitations of the infrastructure, the BEV only mode for his commute gives him flexibility.
Okay so two bits of news on my front. 1.) I've done analysis and found Toyota is making what I consider to be the incorrect choice about the Mirai. (Considering making a video about it) 2.) making slow progress on getting hydrogen in my area. But maybe I'll have a station up eventually.
@@car-naught-bj5vy During the hot weather in SoCal. 9/4/2024-9/9/2024, with the AC on Eco, I got 370 range on street driving. Mileage goes down on highways.
At the individual consumer level hydrogen appears to be a dead technology. The future is in commercial applications including trains, some types of freight trucking, and ferry boats.
freight trucking and boats maybe, but idt it makes much sense on trains. Trains can easily be electrified with third rails or caterneraies and have been for over a century. They can drink electricity directly from the grid since they have fixed routes. No need for expensiv fuel cells, batteries, or diesel engines. In the few cases where electrification isn't viable, you'd be better off building a diesel electric, which for a train that serves a few thousand people has the fuel effenciey of a large suv lol (those steel wheels on steel rails are low in friction and rolling resistance, very energy effecient.) From an energy pov, a diesel electric train is many orders of magnitude better for the environment than any car, including bev and fcev ones, so it makes sense to just spend money on building more trains to get people off roads or investing in electrified lines (dosn't include batteries or fuel cells.) And in the case where electrifying the line (not battery or fuel cell) is impossible and you really must make it green, the biggest downside of batteries (the upfront cost, high weight, and charge time) aren't important on trains bc trains can take high weight and distribute their upfront cost over many riders, and the charge time is less of an issue bc you can charge at the vry regular and predetermined stops. In addition, you can partially electrify bev trains by building catenaries on part of the line, which is more annoying on trains, which also helps the charge time issue. For trucks, fcev do make a lot of sense bc its hard to just build an overhead cable to charge the truck as you drive, and the weight is now a major obstacle, especially when going uphill (something that trains suck at either way), and since routes change frequently, getting around those long charge times is really important. And greenifying trucks is a lot more pressing than making trains greener. (Remember, that dirty ice train still makes less carbon than even the greenest hydrogen trucks. The sheer efficiency of trains is on a different scale.) This probably kinda extends to busses too For boats, no idea
I dk how you guys do it. h2 may have future in trains, ships. Cars dont see a future. If it cant scale in CA which is the most progressive place we have, doesnt bode well.
Lack of fueling station... yet, you still bought the car? Wow, buying a Hydrogen Car and banking on the infrastructure getting betting is a... FOOL's ERRAND
No, its having the car first, knowing now about the infrastructure issues, and actually considering to buy another hydrogen car. That's what baffles me. You can only stay optimistic for so long but when almost everything is literally against you, it's time to move on. The station he was going to actually became offline. Just imagine that but someone who was not there for leisure and had to actually go and do things for the day. Hate to say it, but a BEV is the better choice imho. But after my FCEV experience, I chose to live and learn from it. Now I just stick with gas/hybrid vehicles instead. I'll ride my bike and go green when I can.
@@koi_chan26you shouldn’t have to jump there so many hours just to own a vehicle…a fools errand, indeed th-cam.com/video/6YHLCEB5Px8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=alSEilDQVTfmpUxa
Not everyone has the ability to charge at home. Millions of car owners live in apartments or park on the street. There needs to be another option and hydrogen FCEVs can provide that option. It is not viable for everyone currently (just like BEVs are not for everyone currently), but a few of us can handle the current issues with the infrastructure and are willing to be trailblazers.
Thanks for the video. It's good to hear that you're looking into a CPO and staying with the tech!
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I am in Torrance and I was looking at a Mirai but the lack of stations made me buy a clarity PHEV I would love the mirai but just can’t due to lack of stations
I live just north of Montebello, so north side of the "desert". I have to drive about 11 miles to get to the Baldwin Park station. Shell was going to put a hydrogen station near the 605 and Peck Rd area and I was looking forward to it, but then Shell has pulled out of the LD hydrogen station business, so that is out. However, True Zero has identified a station in South San Gabriel, just off of the 60 where they plan to install hydrogen dispensers. That would be ideal for me, though I know it will be a few years down the road.
Does anyone know what is going on with the La Habra Station?
The La Mirada (La Habra) station is an Iwatani station using Cavendish (formerly Nel) Hydrogen equipment. The equipment was found to be inadequate, so much so that Iwatani is suing Cavendish. Currently Iwatani and/or Cavendish has been using Seal Beach and Corona to update the equipment. Until Iwatani is confident that they have an operational station, La Mirada and the five other completed stations won't fully open.
Honda’s plug in fuel cell CRV will mostly insulate people from the H2 infrastructure pain if they charge it regularly at home.
Might as well have a full EV and get a proper range.
@@LeicesterMike There is no single "proper range". Honda's CR-V FCEV can work nicely for a daily commuter of under 30 miles and has a reliable hydrogen station nearby.
@@bruhabox The 2025 Honda CR-V e:FCEV has a 17.7-kWh battery. This battery provides an all-electric range of 29 miles. that is less than 2 miles per kWh most modern BEV manage 4+ .so carrying that redundant Fuel Cell and H2 tanks makes the vehicle really inefficient.
@@LeicesterMike Someone who has the CR-V FCEV posted that he charged the battery from 0 miles left on the battery to 100% overnight and it cost him $3.15 given his $/KW.
He didn't complain about efficiency or inefficiency and I don't think he cares. He prefers a FCEV (it's his 3rd one) but given the limitations of the infrastructure, the BEV only mode for his commute gives him flexibility.
The exception (someone who doesn't care what it costs then to run a vehicle) proves the rule (they would be much better off if they ran a BEV)
Okay so two bits of news on my front.
1.) I've done analysis and found Toyota is making what I consider to be the incorrect choice about the Mirai. (Considering making a video about it)
2.) making slow progress on getting hydrogen in my area. But maybe I'll have a station up eventually.
7:09 Also, for the range guess. It is pretty hot, and you are pretty low on fuel. So my guess is you'll get around 330 miles of range.
@@car-naught-bj5vy During the hot weather in SoCal. 9/4/2024-9/9/2024, with the AC on Eco, I got 370 range on street driving. Mileage goes down on highways.
Lol no wonder they sale for a fraction of the price of why you buy for .
At the individual consumer level hydrogen appears to be a dead technology. The future is in commercial applications including trains, some types of freight trucking, and ferry boats.
freight trucking and boats maybe, but idt it makes much sense on trains. Trains can easily be electrified with third rails or caterneraies and have been for over a century. They can drink electricity directly from the grid since they have fixed routes. No need for expensiv fuel cells, batteries, or diesel engines. In the few cases where electrification isn't viable, you'd be better off building a diesel electric, which for a train that serves a few thousand people has the fuel effenciey of a large suv lol (those steel wheels on steel rails are low in friction and rolling resistance, very energy effecient.) From an energy pov, a diesel electric train is many orders of magnitude better for the environment than any car, including bev and fcev ones, so it makes sense to just spend money on building more trains to get people off roads or investing in electrified lines (dosn't include batteries or fuel cells.) And in the case where electrifying the line (not battery or fuel cell) is impossible and you really must make it green, the biggest downside of batteries (the upfront cost, high weight, and charge time) aren't important on trains bc trains can take high weight and distribute their upfront cost over many riders, and the charge time is less of an issue bc you can charge at the vry regular and predetermined stops. In addition, you can partially electrify bev trains by building catenaries on part of the line, which is more annoying on trains, which also helps the charge time issue.
For trucks, fcev do make a lot of sense bc its hard to just build an overhead cable to charge the truck as you drive, and the weight is now a major obstacle, especially when going uphill (something that trains suck at either way), and since routes change frequently, getting around those long charge times is really important. And greenifying trucks is a lot more pressing than making trains greener. (Remember, that dirty ice train still makes less carbon than even the greenest hydrogen trucks. The sheer efficiency of trains is on a different scale.) This probably kinda extends to busses too
For boats, no idea
I dk how you guys do it. h2 may have future in trains, ships. Cars dont see a future. If it cant scale in CA which is the most progressive place we have, doesnt bode well.
Lack of fueling station... yet, you still bought the car?
Wow, buying a Hydrogen Car and banking on the infrastructure getting betting is a... FOOL's ERRAND
No, its having the car first, knowing now about the infrastructure issues, and actually considering to buy another hydrogen car. That's what baffles me. You can only stay optimistic for so long but when almost everything is literally against you, it's time to move on. The station he was going to actually became offline. Just imagine that but someone who was not there for leisure and had to actually go and do things for the day. Hate to say it, but a BEV is the better choice imho. But after my FCEV experience, I chose to live and learn from it. Now I just stick with gas/hybrid vehicles instead. I'll ride my bike and go green when I can.
@@koi_chan26you shouldn’t have to jump there so many hours just to own a vehicle…a fools errand, indeed
th-cam.com/video/6YHLCEB5Px8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=alSEilDQVTfmpUxa
What are you guys trying to prove buying a Mirai?
EV charges at home!
Not everyone has the ability to charge at home. Millions of car owners live in apartments or park on the street. There needs to be another option and hydrogen FCEVs can provide that option. It is not viable for everyone currently (just like BEVs are not for everyone currently), but a few of us can handle the current issues with the infrastructure and are willing to be trailblazers.