Building a Great 944 Turbo, Pt. 2: Motor Mounts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- I bought this Porsche 944 Turbo last summer in Austria. She only had three pre-owners, one them was the Porsche Centre that sold her. Today she has 150k kilometers on the clock and she never was painted or restored.
She's a solid car with no rust, but time took its toll and just like any other old car, she needs a little love. I'm giving it to her and in a couple of films she'll be a great Transaxle-Porsche ready for a second life. In this episode I'm doing the fearsome job of changing the engine mounts. It was the doom I expected it to be.
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I love Germany, I love everything about it. You and this car are so quintessential German watching your video's feels like riding the autobahn in my 911 while wearing lederhosen, eating curryworst and drinking Warsteiner (even I know a German would never eat or drink in his car). It's like the TH-cam version of "Rinderkennzeichnungsfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz"
Thanks for commenting, mate.
I don’t love Germany that much, but I guess the neighbours‘ grass is always greener.
The funny thing about most German language jokes is that we just put compounds together without the spaces. Apart from that they’re mostly identical with English.
@@GreasyFingers I guess so... But to me Germany feels like the older, more responsible brother of The Netherlands.
Johannes, when I was doing this job at a Porsche dealership many years ago, we had a crossbar that went over the engine, and sat on the fender seams and had a screw lift, to raise the engine about 40mm and this combined with loosening the crossmember made it a little easier. Might be cheaper to build one of these than use a hydraulic table.
You can get those from an automotive tool store, they're used on BMW's a lot. I was thinking of making that same comment! :)
Thanks for commenting.
Yes, I know. The workshop manual said so too. I was about to buy one but then I thought: I can’t just buy tools all the time that I only use once or twice. Should I make more transaxle Porsches in future, I will certainly do.
@@GreasyFingers A solid wood beam or a metal rod will work too- DIY
Just superb Herr Fingers. And not just the work. The photography is spectacular too! F.N.J. my friend.
Thanks, Mike.
Hope to see you soon to take her for a spin.
Running a car HARD was called an “Italian Tune Up” back in my younger days. I worked at a Porsche/Audi dealer in 1987 and got to drive a lot of 944’s. My favorite was the 944TurboS. What an amazing beast it was. Better balanced than a 911 and very fast,almost as fast as a 930. Just my opinion though. I would love to find one to play with but they are hard to find in the US and rather expensive today.
I knew someone would beat me to the Italian Tune Up comment 🙂
Thanks for commenting, yes, they are very fast, even compared to 911‘s.
People seam to increasingly understand the performance of these cars, prices are climbing quickly these days.
I still use that phrase.
Great to be seeing more regular content! As an owner of a Mitsubishi, I also enjoyed your comment that the engine’s smoothness was “thanks to its balance shafts,” which is really you expressing your appreciation to Mitsubishi for licensing that technology to Porsche. 😊.
Thanks, Alastair.
I wasn’t aware it’s a Mitsubishi patent, but I’m not surprised. When it comes to precision mechanics, I always look for Japanese brands. Qed Anest Iwata …
Mitsubishi of course utilising the invention of Frederick Lanchester from 1904
Always a pleasure to watch you work on your cars, and I’m glad there’s more to come!
Thanks, Matteo. ☺️
Ein sehr schöner Schrauberbericht mit Text auf Literaturniveau! Wunderbar 🎉 Ich kann jeden gezeigten Schritt nachvollziehen und an dem Wechsel der Motorstützlager eines Audi V6 bin ich mal gescheitert … Die Idee mit den angespitzten Schrauben ist gut. Viel Freude beim Schrauben weiterhin!
Danke vielmals, ich freue mich sehr über das coole Feedback!
Another excellent video, thank you.
Glad you liked it again! ☺️
When I bought mine 944 turbo 10+ years ago, one of the first to do items was to replace the engine mounts. All forums said, that original ones are the way to go, as they are filled with hydraulic fluid and are more durable. There were mixed reviews for aftermarkets ones (also Meyle). Some were claiming, that they would last on turbo engine only 4-5 years, do to heat from headers and cross-over pipe, so I went with original ones. If I recall correctly, the set cost around 700 euros in 2014.
Thanks for commenting.
In hindsight I’d do the same.
Good to see that the Meyle ones worked for you. When I had mine changed the notch on top was not worked out precisely, so the base plate was not sitting completely on its counterpart. Although expensive I have switched back to the Porsche originals. Keep on the good work on a brill 944!
Thanks Dirk.
I received many comments that warned me about the Meyles. Frankly, I’m starting to feel some regret I haven’t taken the original ones.
Johannes, felt your pain on this difficult job, well done for piecing it back together. Don’t trust myself anymore doing these things, age comes to all of us!
Thanks for commenting.
I too feel the age and it was a major argument for me to finally realise my dream of an own workshop before it’s too late. I hope you have still fun with driving them if it’s not tearing them apart.
Hi Johannes, actually sold my 87 Carrera coupe after 18 years August 23, was in mint condition,with only 92000 miles showing, worry less now!
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Buddy! I will absolutely sub for this. What an enjoyable video. I love the car and your whole vibe. I especially enjpy that you don't seem to have it all figured out, but are still willing to give it a try. I often struggle with that myself, so this is actually inspiring to me
Once again, your sense of humour wins me over. Yet another excellent episode, thank you.
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Excellent, well done. Professional work. Thank you for this video.
Thanks, Fabio. Glad you liked it.
A 944 would suit you!
My dad said the same about letting the engine burn off from driving a long distance. He said the carbon deposits would be removed from it and there was a tendency for a city driven car to run more smoothly after a long drive.
And I think your dad’s right about this.
It’s just that people, especially car sellers, try to cure all sorts of diseases with this. Clocked up filters, ripped tubes, … 😆
@@GreasyFingers We live in Norway and we once drove to Baden-Baden for a visit, while there my dad had his Peugeot 205 serviced (this was in 1990) and driving home was a lot smoother than driving down. Those German mechanics did a great job 😀
In Australia they refer to it as the 'Italian tune-up'.
Great bit of film👏🏻😎
Thanks, mate!
Yes! Have been waiting for this! Keep the episodes coming 🙌.
Highly recognizable issues that appear when you think it will be an easy job 😅
Thinking it will be an easy job awakens some evil demons that make sure it won’t be. 😆
Such a good video. I appreciate seeing the good old-fashioned problem-solving, and glad is not just glossed over. That's what gives me my dopamine fix when working on my car.
For some reason, this reminded me, not of the subframes I had to drop to change engine mounts, but the removal of the upper sump on my 997.2. The WS manual only gives minimal indications but somehow misses the fact that removal of the exhaust headers is required. The ones held with 18 fixings, 8 of which broke and 4 had to have the head ground off. My quick weekend job turned into weeks of slow, careful, stressful, but ultimately satisfying drilling... and tackling loads of other things I didn't plan for. It's all good though, I am happy, the car is happy.
Know what you mean!
The satisfaction you describe is the prey we’re hunting.
Been a Porsche mechanic over 36 years, worked on many 944's, 944's are my favorite.
Thanks for commenting.
Yes, they are great!
Had a very similar experience when changing the mounts on my '88 S, and I too went with the Meyle mounts. The OE Porsche mounts supposedly last longer, but I couldn't justify the close to $1000USD price for such a simple part. There is apparently a method of ratchet strapping & lifting one side of the engine at a time to gain enough clearance to avoid dropping the crossmember - I had a hard time finding where to latch onto, especially on that right hand side, so dropped mine one side at a time as well.
Thanks for commenting.
In hindsight I would always drop the cross member. I don’t know why Porsche claims the job can be done without, probably bad conscience about the lousy package they’ve done.
@ ha. agreed. i did find that after dropping the cross member (but not my rack) i ended up having to have an alignment done anyway.
Much awaited, much appreciated looking forward to excellent work as always from you.
Thanks, Marcus!
Hey Johannes! Thanks for another great vid. I think the quality of your vids steadily improve and was especially noticeable in the intro. I was curious if you dismissed using a engine support bar as it would have allowed you to support the engine and raise the car fully. Also lifting the engine with the engine lift without supporting the rear of the car can make the front end light enough the whole car can tip and fall off the car hoist. I'm pretty sure you're aware of all this but just thought i'd mention it as a courtesy. Years ago when i was in the industry, Chevrolet created the ASTRO van which was so short and front heavy, you could cause it to tip forward and fall of the hoist if not careful. Since then, i've been somewhat overly cautious about weight transfer on car hoists. Cheers and thanks again!
Thanks, Brad.
This car had six official lifting points and you can always use the little aluminium „subframes“ at the rear axle, makes eight. Some of these combinations are clearly a threat to the live.
What a wonderful car with clear Instruments. No one needs more......
Yeah, I feel the same. It’s a very typical statement people make about the 944: no one needs more.
Great work, Mr Fingers. Love this 944 👌😄
Thanks! ☺️
A lovely car and a great watch as always. Engine mounts always seem to be a pig of a job.
I think the theory mentioned at the beginning works, but only up to a point. If an engine hasn't been extended at all and is coked up then a good blast (especially with fuel additive) can do it a lot of good. Obviously though if there are physical problems like leaking hoses and incorrect parts it can't help that at all.
Thanks Angus. I basically believe you’re right, I’m just mocking a little about people’s way to go „yes, it misses a piston, but a good burn on the autobahn will fix that“. 😆
@@GreasyFingers Once I finish my current project (Land Rover Defender) I would like to restore an Ascona B, which was my first car. I think I may have to go over there to find one though, because there aren't many left in the UK. I keep an eye out on-line and there still seems to be a decent supply in northern Europe, although it's thinning out a bit now.
When working on my Coupe E46, everytime I reach a dead end, I think back to Greasy Fingers... I try to get myself out of the box and think "What would Johannes do?". Eventually, getting past the denial phase that I will have to disassemble more stuff in the way than anticipated will make things go smoother and more enjoyable. Sometimes it is hard to assume we have to go two steps back.
Thanks, mate. I LOVE your comment.
Just one note, as a matter of experience: doing what Johannes would do sometimes is not recommended.
Ahhh, one more thing, would you allow me to post a screenshot of this conversation in my insta story?
As always it is pleasure to see you work …. Only problem now is …. I want a 944😅
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Rightfully so! I’m convinced it’s one of the best cars of its time.
Ratcheting wrenches. Love the channel and the format sir. Thank you for all your efforts
You’re very welcome.☺️
They were a PITA well done as ever 👍
An H-PITA, you bet.
I’ve never heard it described like that before. “ no wonder it ran like a dog‘s breakfast.” I laughed so hard because that’s brilliant.
You’re sure it’s brillant or just a guy massively overestimating his language skills?
Ich kann es nachfühlen.
So ein ähnliches Programm habe ich auch mit dem 928 durch.
Allerdings haben die Motorlager nicht ganz so viel Widerstand geleistet.
Dankeschön für das Video.
Waltraut wird eine schöne Athletin.
Grüße
Danke fürs Kommentieren!
Bei meinem 928 liegt der Job auch noch vor mir, gut zu lesen, dass das nicht so ein Zirkus ist.
A really nice job. Obviously, the aftermarket Meyle mounts are not an exact fit, but worth playing around with for the money saving. Overall, the car is in amazing condition. Here in the UK they are normally rusted to death.
Thanks for commenting, Bob.
On the continent, non-turbo 944‘s are still available for around 15k. A little bit of rust prevention, some inevitable repairs and some maintenance will bring you close to 10k, so it’s no surprise they’re dying. 😥
Outstanding, as always. Another run on the autobahn would have been a proper ending to this video!😏
Thanks!
If only weather were a little better.
In fact the salt run to film the intro costed me sleepless nights.
Ein gutes neues Jahr wünsch' ich Dir- schöne Arbeit!
Bei meinem S2 habe ich den Tausch auch hinter mir- allerdings beim Motorwechsel (Austauschmaschine).
Ist viiieeel einfacher!
Spass beiseite-an Waltrauds Tacho ist das Antriebszahnrad für den Kilometerstand zerbröselt.
Der Ersatz ist für geübte Schrauber kein Problem, allerdings sollte man vorm bestellen die Zähne abzählen-
es gibt zu viele Varianten davon. Videos zum Einbau gibt es genug...
Viel Spass weiterhin mit Waltraud!
Danke!
Ja, das Zahnrad ist hin. Ich habe von einem Viewer schon eine Anleitung und ein paar Ersatzteile bekommen. Bin gespannt, was ich noch alles finde im Instrumentencluster …
@@GreasyFingers genau- als ich nach dem Ersatz des Zahnrads die Platine vom Tacho wieder anschrauben wollte, fand ich im Tachoausschnitt zufällig einen Kondensator liegen...
Darum unbedingt die Platine auf 'kalte' Lötstellen kontrollieren und ggfs. nachlöten.
Grüßle aus dem Schwarzwald! Thomas
Well done. You obviously have the patience of a saint! Happy New Year.
Saint John, maybe?
Not sure I’d like to loose my head. 😆
I think you will find that the Meyle mounts will be a poor investment. Even though they are ridiculously expensive, the OEM mounts are far superior.
I‘m sure they are better.
Happy New Year to you and your loved ones!
Thanks, mate. Same to you!
Love this. Could we have a video of how it performed on the autobahn after the work?
Thanks!
That would be a rather boring one. ☺️
Let's face it, we are both getting older, not old, just older. I find that I now use a Hazet 916HPLG ratchet wrench for a little extra "tug" when breaking apart things like subframe bolts. If you don't have one, look at getting it or something similar. It is nice to use since it is telescopic in nature and more adaptable to unique space constraints.
Googled it.
Great job, now I want one … 😆
Just coming out of my oil pit, torquing the cross member of oldtimer with my Carolus torque wrench ❤and finding a fellow greasy fingers on youtube. I feel much at home at this channel 😅
Glad you’re here, mate!
[Wow, I guess it's time! My Dad had one of those. I will get one and name it Dadsass.]
Do it!!!
3:43 🤣 herrlich
Happy new year! All the best to you! das Auto ❤️
Thanks! Same to you!
Angled bolts. What a great idea. Do you have information on the length of time these repairs and upgrades took total?
Thanks, Alex.
I think it took me two full days, but I’m sure with the experiences made, I could now cut it down to one or less.
I love the fact that you don't edit out all of the grunts and groans and maybe a few Deutsch explatives under your breath. Makes the rest of us mere mortals feel a little more normal! P.S. I think Ferrari mechanics call a high speed run after extended city driving an "Italian tune up".
Filming myself is not without surprises, I can tell you. I would have sworn I’m perfectly silent and never have my mouth open. 😆
I’m learning about this expression here in the comments. Very funny!
Good idea to replace those mounts. They only last 10 to 20 years and all 944's are way over 30 years old now. Pain in the butt job but it will be fun when it's done!
In fact it does feel great!
@@GreasyFingers Glad it worked out. Can't wait to see the suspension upgrades!
I think the 944 is one of the best drivers cars ever. I loved the 911's that I had but the 944's are magic when they are right.
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Cool
Great video - again. Very helpfull keep the step by step approach. Many people in the US 944 community are not fans of the Meyle mounts- I don´t know but they say that they fail after a short period of time. Watch out. I´m about to do the same maintenance perfect timing tha k you. Did you cure the engine sputtering?
Thanks, Martin.
In hindsight it might have been better to stick to the original ones.
Yes, the engine runs great now!
Top job 👌🏻🇩🇪🇩🇰🏁👏🏻
Thanks mate!
Don’t sell him Greenland!
I think that you should adopt 'That didn't happen' as your personal motto. Best wishes for 2025.
Thanks, George. Same to you!
Beim Sauger kann man die Meyle mal probieren. Beim Turbo wäre mir der Aufwand für Experimente zu hoch, auch wenn der Preis für die originalen immer wieder dazu verleitet. Im Vergleich zu modernen hydrodynamischen Porsche lagern sind sie jedoch noch Schnäppchen...
Ja, das sagen viele hier in den Kommentaren. Ich bin einem Hinweis von Partworks gefolgt. Vielleicht hätte ich bei Euch fragen sollen … ☺️
I'm so happy this wasn't me changing the mounts!
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@2:50 does it sound a bit like a Mercedes diesel ? This is not a familiar sound from my 944 days long ago.
Yes, that’s because the hydraulic tappets had to fill with oil first.
Don't have the room, but if the stars align I'm adding one to colllection.
They are going to align next week!!!!
Der 944 ist noch immer ein wunderbares Fahrzeug. Viel Vergnügen damit. 😊😊😊
Ja, der 944 ist ein super Auto und als Turbo geht er auch noch wie der Teufel.
Another professional video. Obviously not a job to be done on your driveway with the car on axle stands!
Thanks, Graham.
Certainly not a driveway job.
We always called that an Italian tune up. I have no idea why.
I read this expression a couple of times in the comments to my film and I much like it.
Ah yes, the ABUATHON
I googled what you wrote and thought: what on earth does he mean? 😆
"....That didn't happen..." 😂
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Schönes neues Jahr. Jetzt weiß ich, weshalb den Motorlager doch nicht selber gewechselt habe.
By the way: woher kommen diese speziellen Kenntnisse der englischen Sprache bitte? Mal in den Staaten gelebt? Gruß Michael
Ja, der Job ist die nackte Hölle, ich konnte mich tagelang nicht bewegen. 😆
Ich habe 30 Jahre international gearbeitet, die Hälfte davon mit Arbeitssprache Englisch.
did you notice the rack boot was torn
Not really, no. Tell me more please …
Abuathon? Oh, autobahn.
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It is a trully Pain In The Ass job. Always use Original mounts. Just wait until you have to do the oil pan gasket. 😂
One can realise in many ways that this car was originally built around a different engine.
meyle mounts doesnt work well had lot of vibration bought original second hand and now super
I hope mine will do better. Not interested in doing the same job again.
Looks like a piece of piss compared to changing the engine mounts in an Audi Allroad 2.7 TDi.