New! 22 IDEX v2: High Temp 3D Printer for High-Performance Polymer Filaments into 2024
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- SEE ALL THE DETAILS HERE: www.visionminer.com/22idex
Close to 2 years in the making, with over 150 changes, we're excited to announce the new 22 IDEX v2
With dual independent extruders capable of 500ºC, an actively-heated chamber reaching 90ºC, and a triple-motor, true-self-leveling 200ºC bed, coupled with the fully open material system, the 22 IDEX v2 is unlocking the potential of in-house additive manufacturing.
22 IDEX v2: INDUSTRIAL 3D PRINTER - UNLOCKING IN-HOUSE ADDITIVE MANUFACTURING
Experience the revolution in 3D printing with unlimited polymer options. With dual independent 500ºC extruders, a 90ºC heated chamber, and a 200ºC self-leveling bed, the 22 IDEX v2 is designed to redefine in-house manufacturing.
🔥 Financing Options Available
💼 Perfect for: Aerospace, Medical, Automotive, Medical, Electrical, and more!
🌟 Features:
Aerospace-grade parts, tooling, fixtures.
Medical grade sterilizable tools.
Radiation and Chemical Resistant polymer composites.
High-temp metal-replacement thermoplastics.
Fume extraction & Clean Air system compatability.
Advanced auto-alignment and calibration.
Safety and auto-shutoff systems.
Made with top-tier components.
✅ Performance: From PLA to PEEK, ULTEM™, and more, this printer handles the widest range of thermoplastics with consistency and precision.
✅ User-Friendly: Forget manual leveling with our true self-leveling build platform and dynamic mesh leveling.
✅ Material Freedom: Use any 1.75mm filament, whether it's from Vision Miner or your chosen brand. Always up-to-date with the latest RepRap firmware.
✅ American Service & Support: Get top-tier support from real people who know the industry. Comprehensive documentation and video tutorials for quick solutions.
Quick Specs:
🌡️ Nozzle: 500ºC
🛠️ Build Plate: 200ºC
🚀 Heated Chamber: 90ºC
🔧 Build Volume: 350 x 350 x 450mm
🧪 Materials: PEEK, ULTEM, CF NYLON, Polycarbonate +MORE
📞 Support: American, from Vision Miner
🎯 Extruders: Dual Independent + Bondtech LGX + Slice Engineering Hotends
🚀 Linear Rails
Whether you're a solo entrepreneur or part of a massive aerospace firm, the 22 IDEX v2 guarantees unmatched performance for every project. Built for durability, flexibility, and precision - this is not just a 3D printer, but an evolution in additive manufacturing.
For full details, specs, and more, click through to our main site. Get ready to revolutionize your manufacturing process. 🔥🔥
At Vision Miner, we specialize in Functional 3D printing, especially high-performance plastics like PEEK, ULTEM, PPSU, PPS, CFPA, and more. We also have extensive experience with 3D scanners, and a whole array of solutions available for purchase. If you're interested in using functional 3D printing and materials in your business, feel free to reach out, and we can help you make the right choice for your application.
Call 833-774-6863 or email contact@visionminer.com, and we're here to help!
Follow Us
►Facebook: / visionminer
►Instagram: / visionminer
►Twitter: / visionminer
►TikTok: vm.tiktok.com/ZMehCAwxp/
00:00 Introduction
00:35 Unique Features
01:07 What's new in the V2?
01:27 500ºC Slice Engineering Hotends
01:38 Bondtech LGX Pro Extruders
02:19 Nozzles
02:46 90ºC Heated Chamber
03:25 200ºC Self-Leveling Build Platform
04:20 Electronics
05:23 Motion System
06:21 Material Choices
06:55 Printing Modes & Options
07:43 Automatic X/Y Leveling
09:06 3D Printing Speeds
09:42 Accuracy
10:12 Power Requirements
10:41 User Interface
11:09 Service & Support
11:39 The Challenges
12:10 Give us a Call! - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
This is an exceptional machine hands down. Haters in the comments simply don't understand (aka trolls)... you guys are doing some awesome work bridging the gap for machines that have open source and market components. Every other company is taking open source stuff and making it into their own crappy versions and calling it their own or using parts that are unnecessarily complex. No one else is doing what you are doing for this price point. You can do a lot with a printer like this even with just plain engineering filaments. Being able to do high temp as well is basically a game changer. Lets see a Qidi print CF PEEK...
Too bad they are scammers and don't ship product.
@mmakam3 who? Qidi or vision miner?
@@SeaTaj vision, there is a reason why there is not a single review on the idex 22 or v2.
So it’s a Voron ?
Do you have any reviews or existing customers who have used this. Interested in this printer but haven't heard from any 3rd party. Have you thought about sending this out for an independent and 3rd party review, I feel that would greatly help push people to buy this, as many are on the edge of purchasing.
I am drooling. Thinking of going all in on printing telescope and camera adapters...good point about accuracy. Looking great!
Been goin through the firmware and adapting it to my VZBot. Yall are awesome for using RRF!
This thing is legit!! Can’t wait to pick one up!! 😮💨
The engineering and thought behind this printer seems great and I appreciate the 'open-source' approach but a lot of the components are outdated. I'm assuming Vision Miner must be limited by hardware availability or partnerships. It would be fun to buy this printer as a kit and apply your own hardware choices to it.
what a incredible machine. Well done.
Hi! I just wanted to say I really appreciate your transparency and commitment to open-source, even in a printer of this caliber. I hope you don't take the comments of those who don't understand what it takes to bring a product to market to heart. Your approach to what you do is fantastic!
I would love to test that machine for some production parts. Looks like a fantastic printer.
Very cool! Nice to see you used good open source projects for it! That “klicky probe” looks very nice
Very similar to klicky, yes! The whole idea of keeping the probe itself off the hotend was a big deal, since we deal in 450-500c hotend temps for DAYS at a time..... anything around that hot block definitely needs solid temperature resistance :)
Will there be a European supplier for this equipment? Importing a machine from the USA to the EU is not a simple or cheap process
You can buy it from the manufacturer which is addwise3d located in Ukraine. I think at the moment it's easier than normal to import from there.
They are actually not available, even from Addwise, in the EU -- we are focused on the USA market, so we can support customers locally for the first years, improve the machine, and then open to international customers :)
I would love to grab one of these for my office.
What are the max jerk and acceleration of the machine? Also is input shaping supported?
Really like how this use some off the shelf parts, should make replacements easy
nice quickdraw!
The quickdraw was certainly inspiration! Our design is significantly different, but we certainly give the hat tip :)
@@VisionMiner good to hear! Can you point out where you gave the hat tip? I must have missed it.
You didn't miss it, it's not there. We drew inspiration from several designs over the course of a year, and then our final design ended up looking like the Annex -- but we never even saw the annex until after it was done, which was funny! We even checked all CAD files with their team, and nothing was ported over or used, firmware is completely different, it's entirely our design. Sometimes you just get similar ideas and execute on them, but it wasn't drawn or based on their designs.
I'd love to see some sort of "Ultra-HT" model that has high enough chamber temps to actually allow printing large PEEK parts without warping and delamination. Would probably also need water cooled hotends and no plastic on the extruder.
The funny thing here, you mention PEEK -- PEEK is a beast of it's own, and even in a 230c chamber, does not work as expected -- this is due to the way it crystallizes. Amorphous plastics like ULTEM PEI and PC are much more predicable with chamber temperatures, but PEEK does not behave as expected, with it's low Tg but high HDT -- it's a wild one to work with, and large PEEK parts aren't made possible simply by chamber temp -- process control, pressure settings, part temperature, layer temp, etc -- large PEEK parts will be easy when AI is slicing them with, but as we've seen on machines like the HT2, Roboze, etc, it's still a little more complex :) Big stuff coming.... in the future ;)
This is a nice topic to talk about in a VM tech video...there is not so much info about PEEK FDM that is informative enough without the need to be a Paper.
I am strugling with a CreatBot PEEK-300 printer (120° C heated chamber) and the results are mixed
Is there an air filtration system available, at least as an option if not standard? Thanks.
Yes, of course, we have full fume extraction systems -- there are connections in the back, for hooking up 2" diameter hoses, to the system of your choice -- www.visionminer.com/bofa
What kind of steel are the motion components mounted to?
===
just curiouse ...why the linear rail for X axis isnt suported ???
is it just thicker rail like mgn 15 ?
There’s a crossbar underneath it, it’s fully supported :)
Hmm did you guys take a look at High Temp Revo? I prefer that. There is also apparently a liquid cooling option..
We LOVE the revo designs, they're just not available enough yet -- but yes, it's a great setup!
Was the duet 3 too expensive and overkill for this machine?
If the motors are rated at 180c....and I pump the heating chambers to max...and the bed to max (200c)will it then stop working? Curious. Great upgrades very thought out.
I would assume that the motors work fine with 200 C bed and 90 C chamber if that is what they are marketing it as, you might not be able to push it much further though, especially since steppers generate heat on their own. The best option is really getting the steppers out of the heated chamber completely.
The only stepper motors inside the chamber are the extruder motors -- the gantry motors are still rated to 180c, but are outside the chamber. Even then, reaching 180c in the chamber (even with the 200c bed) is not really doable -- the 200c bed, when set to 300c, will get the chamber up to 150c in testing -- but not much over that. Thus, no, the 200c bed does not affect the motors :)
Was the complete printer open source..? or "just" the firmware..?
Look at that Hevort style bed.
We're going to have to figure out who ORIGINALLY used a 3-point z-axis to create a flat plane, and give credit to THEM -- because lord knows, Hevort wasn't the first, Essentium wasn't the first, and it's been done on many machines over the years, lol... hevort is a cool DIY project though :)
@@VisionMiner it's the community that I follow, I respect going back into the history of it to find the first for credit
The best! Can’t wait for mine 🔥
Terrific improvements to an already good machine. Great to see you using hi-temp drive motors. What sets the chamber temp limit to 90C? Extruders? Z-height probe? Thanks gang.
Likely linear rails
Why the copperhead over the mosquito or mosquito magnum? Just curious in this design choice as it is for industry and time is money. Higher flow rates means less printing time and the market wouldn't care too much about the price difference. Is it to do with keeping the X carriage lighter for less deflection at temperature?
Higher flow rates only work in certain situations. With the high temp matierlas, dealing with the extreme temperatures, warping, crystallization, 95% of the time you're using far below the maximum flow rates -- thus, the extra cost/complexity of the mosquito wasn't justified for the main applications of this printer. :)
Great machine, the only thing that i'd change on it is the hotends, mellow goliath hotend with water cooling is much superior to that of the slice that you are using.
Goliath isn’t really made for 300+C printing. It’s for high flow.
I would definitely trust more on Slice if I would be printing with very high temps like that
how are they not getting clogging with an aircooled heatsink in a 90c heated chamber?
The polymers are much higher temp than that, and they don't get soft at 90c :)
Ooo Lala!
Finally.
WOW, nice machine, good presentation on the hardware. Would have liked to see what the machine actually looks like building real parts. How to you justify the $20,000 plus price? The extra temperature? What costs so much more than a Bambu Lab?
bambu can't do half what this does and not anywhere near these temps, this is industrial Equipment not Hobbyist level maybe in 10 years bambu could make something like this for less then $1,000 bucks.
Well, it's actually $14,900 right now, and the difference is actually significant -- not just higher temperatures. When the chamber is heated, EVERYTHING needs examination -- you can't just use aluminum extrusions for everything, you deal with large shifts from the metal's thermal mass -- so, for example, the bed and X-rail need to be matched for thermal expansion. Then, your shuttles need to be able to withstand years at high temperatures -- all this, if you were to heat a Bambu to 90c, would fail completely in 3 months. So, it's mostly about longevity, and a high-temp machine that will last for years -- it's just just a heater inside a Bambu with upgraded parts :) Furthermore, the filament companies are printing runs up to $900/kilo -- so, when your parts are that expensive, most other options in the high-temp range are $30,000-$150,000 -- so it's an incredibly good price, for the segment of the industry it's intended for :)
What is the thought process of using the copper head over the mosquito?
We love the mosquito, but it didn't make as much sense for two reasons: adjustable heatbreak z-level, and flow rates: Copypasta from another comment: Higher flow rates only work in certain situations. With the high temp matierlas, dealing with the extreme temperatures, warping, crystallization, 95% of the time you're using far below the maximum flow rates -- thus, the extra cost/complexity of the mosquito wasn't justified for the main applications of this printer. :)
what material is the build plate made out of?
It’s our special high temperature carbon fiber blend, which we’ve been using for years - that’s the hot swappable plate, the platform itself is cast aluminum
Oh wow! Sounds awesome. So bed adhesion is not a problem, say when printing polycarbonate? @@VisionMiner
It's very good -- however, I've seen solid, super-thick polycarbonate parts bend 5mm thick carbon... so it's not a guarantee, but it's the best we've made, and the best we've been able to find :) Always improving, but yes, PC sticks GREAT! :)
Can we lease a couple IDEX 22’s?
We do have financing options, if you reach out, we can get you set up :)
Is is definitely a nice machine for the industrial market. Good on you for putting the firmware open source, something not every company does these days.
I have been watching a long time for this video! Nice job on all the improvements. I wished you would have remained disruptive on the price. This would have been a killer machine if it had the original 22IDEX launch price, especially the original preorder quote I received in December of 2021. I would have ordered it today if so.
Thanks a ton, goldfingerdash! We understand how it might feel, especially when considering past prices and comparing them to today's realities. We'd like to provide some context to help clarify the reasons for this adjustment.
Two years might not seem like a long time, but as many of us have experienced, the global economic landscape has shifted significantly during this period. I often find myself wishing that we could purchase cars, homes, and other essentials at the prices they were just a couple of years ago. Sadly, the surge in prices is not exclusive to our 3D printers.
*Raw Material & Component Costs:* The price of essential materials and components that go into our printer's construction has seen a considerable increase. This rise is a direct reflection of global supply chain disruptions, increased demand, and other market dynamics.
*Gas & Shipping Costs:* If you've filled up your car or ordered a product online recently, you'll have noticed that gas and shipping prices are nearing record highs. The costs associated with transporting goods and components have nearly doubled.
*Labor Costs:* To ensure that our staff continues to deliver the quality service and support you've come to expect, we've had to adjust salaries to match the increased cost of living. This not only helps us retain our talented team but also ensures that we can continue to attract top talent in the industry.
*Commercial Real Estate:* Just as residential property prices have surged, the costs associated with commercial real estate have also risen substantially. The spaces where we design, manufacture, and service our products now come at a premium.
I'm sure, as a business owner or professional, you've also felt these economic shifts in various aspects of your operations and personal life. It's a challenging time, and unfortunately, these global economic trends are impacting all of us. While we always strive to provide the best value to our customers, the reality is that we had to adjust our prices to reflect the current cost of doing business.
I genuinely hope this provides some clarity, and I want to assure you that we remain committed to delivering the best products and services.
need Tungsten carbide or gamma master HF nozzles
They all fit, you can use any M6x1 nozzles you like, and the Gammamaster is a great option!
1:10 minutes into the video and now i saw this printer is going to cost 15k$, i dont need to know about it i guess :D
Does it use the probe to level the 2nd head? Traditionally this is the biggest PITA about IDEX.
No - the probe measures the distance between the nozzle and the bed -- our z-alignment process is VERY easy, since we used the copperheads with smooth heat breaks -- it's the easiest system I've seen for matching the nozzle heights to the bed, simply dropping them to match, tightening, then securing. Check out our support video playlist here: th-cam.com/play/PLWL6qzK573EutGNzlXy2DRrXwgScTD41D.html
And the documentation here! docs.visionminer.com
Thank you for the update. But after having experienced the same method on a Makerbot 2x years ago and more recently the very horrible Craftbot IDEX, I'm not convinced. If the delta is greater than .02, you aren't going to have a good experience IMHO. Please post a video - live stream on this process. @@VisionMiner
Price?
visionminer.com/22IDEX
What no AMS? Nice machine but i need a automatic material system.
Start printing PEEK and ULTEM parts for Aerospace applications, and you will no longer need an AMS :)
I wouldn't bragg about making parts for oil companies...
Does it use closed loop servos?
What are the other propreitary tech? other than ones from slice engineering, bondtech and Duet?
Is it just the design that is propreitary? How does it compare to Snapmaker J1S, Qidi X- Max3, or Bambu Lab X1C. What is the cost differential? Just some 💭
bro, this is a commercial printer that costs thousands of dollars
Does it have Servos? Because, only prosumer level printers use the low cost openloop stepper based system. Just curious.
it's a 15k industrial printer dude. are you really trying to compare it to hobby stuff?
@@jmwintenn Just to let you know, the line between hobby and commercial stuff seems to be getting thinner than ever. The build quality is also getting far superior. If there is no LiDAR or Servos, I don't see a reason for the price differential. Not sure, if its even ITAR certified?
Find another machine with a 90c+ chamber, IDEX, 500c nozzles, 200c bed, and support from an American company for less than $30k -- thats your price differential :) In the world of industrial high-temp machines, prices are still much higher than hobbyist machines, because a lot more changes when you heat the chamber -- everything in the consumer printers start failing, components melting, going out of spec, coming out of calibration -- there are a LOT of things that change in high temp, it's not just adding a heater and insulation :)
For the price of a small car you can print plastic. 👌
You can print _aerospace-grade_ plastics :) At $900/kilo, the price of a small honda for a spool :)
The machine looks pretty nice but:
- why no Ethernet connectivity available to citizens ? Only government agency can get it (DOD). Alot more enterprises are wanting safety through wired devices nowadays and Wi-Fi is not always the best solution.... Ultimaker have much cheaper machines offering that (yes not as good printer but still)
- why there's no 3rd party review of this printer ? There's alot of huge 3D printing channels that could do a good review out of it
It’s not only available for DOD, anyone can get it - but it’s specified for DOD because they always want it. It’s not exclusive :)
Would love one, but for the average Jo DIY Maker like me $15,000 is too rich for my pocket book.
When you come up with a capable system that doesn’t have to be production capable and more DIY capable, please let me know.
I’d love a good machine that can print at those temp’s.
If you can’t afford this printer then you can’t afford the material it is meant for either. Even the cheapest PEEK (eSun) is over $800 per kg. The only reason to get this is to print those high temp materials.
@@conorstewart2214
True, but it’s still too much.
It’s a great looking machine, guess I’m going to have to try and build one instead.
You mentioned speed, but that is irrelevant since you didn't quote the acceleration. The printer can have as heigh a "top speed" as you like but if it accelerates like a potato then it is still awfully slow. Pretty misleading marketing, Id expect better from a company which is trying to be so open about their product.
Man, I tried specifically to NOT be misleading, by talking about how MOST materials you won't be printing at the top speeds, because the mechanical properties drop off quick. Not sure how I could have been more transparent about that.
Our firmware is public at docs.visionminer.com, so you can find all this data in the config.g --
Jerk - 600 mm/min
Max speeds - 30000 mm/min
Accelerations - 2500 mm/s^2
The goal is not speed, of course, the goal is strong, accurate parts.
@@VisionMiner All I wanted was the most commonly used printing accelerations as the speeds are irrelevant without them. Thankyou for providing them. ;)
@@VisionMiner Great printer btw
90 °C chamber and printing high performance polymers (PC, PEKK, PSU) is not really possible - to bad, that you are telling such a ferry tale. And please don't say that it is possible to anneal the parts afterwards - that makes no sense for most of the parts.
Tell that to the thousands of parts and thousands of customers we've helped print PC PEKK and PSU parts in a 90ºC chamber -- there are limitations, yes -- annealing is not the answer, no -- but process control is paramount, and you can do a LOT!
I think the main limitation you're thinking of --- printing giant, solid parts, with the best possible layer adhesion and mechanical properties -- and even then, printing large and solid has it's own challenges, and you can rarely print at 100% infill over a few cm of thickness -- the thermal mass turns the insides into a melty blob, which further complicates process control.... with that being said, there's a TON you can do at 90c (just watch all our material videos, all done/burned/broken after printing in a 90c chamber), and even more you can do with higher chamber temps :)
Thinking that compagnie was dead. V1 was not good on long term and also people are unable to have any comme back from you !
You can build a high temp Voron trident like this with higher chamber temps than seen here for around $2000 and a week of your time. Hopefully this machine isnt more than $6k MSRP
Yes, yes you can. And you should. And most businesses should NOT -- we did an entire video about specifically your comment: th-cam.com/video/tA-zSvsJgOo/w-d-xo.html
Link?
Does the link not show up? It's in that comment, but if you search "building vs buying 3d printer vision miner" it'll show up :)
great! Now I have to save up 15k so I can print Glock frames in PEEK! jk, lol. This thing is a great bargain for the sheer amount of features.
YES!!!
Its highway robery at 15k USD. How can you ask 15x the price of a QIDI Max that can do 350C/120C/65C chamber. 3X would be fair for marginally better temps!
Where to start on this comment.... 😂 This realm of plastics is so far beyond hobbyist printers, most people have a hard time understanding why it costs more than the cheap hobbyist printers... *sigh* Let's just say -- good luck finding a printer with similar specifications to print PEEK and ULTEM for under $30,000.
The X-Max 3 is definitely disruptive for low cost machines. QIDI had a lot of issues at launch of V1. V2 has seemed to address most issues. There are still a few issues left which are currently being worked on. Someone on a Facebook group mentioned that they are working on a V3. At any case, it is about time we see large format printers with heated cambers. There is no reason to fight warping with large models even with simple filaments which can be solved with a heated chamber.
@@VisionMiner Industrial nowdays is code for built for people with more money than brains. I understand that marginally better parameters at some point come with exponential cost increases, however If open source servo drivers like Odrive taught us anything is that one guy in pijamas can replicate something for 1/10th the money compared to big patent hoarding corrupt monopolistic fortune 500 companies.
Hey there! I get that our 3D printer seems pricey compared to some open source projects. But making and selling a printer, on the open market, is a big job.
Bringing a 3D printer to market isn't just about assembling a bill of materials. It's a complex process. First, we spend years to design and prototype it. And that's just the start. We then rigorously test it for quality and consistency, which takes a considerable amount of time and resources. Our marketing team then works hard to introduce it to potential users, and we have dedicated, real, human technicians on standby to answer questions or help troubleshoot issues. This level of customer service is a big part of our brand promise.
Yes, there are more budget-friendly open-source projects available. They're fantastic and have their unique benefits! However, they also require users to invest personal time - building, setting up, and troubleshooting, all on your own.
With our printer, you're not just purchasing hardware; you're investing in a complete experience. From the moment it arrives at your doorstep, it's ready to perform. And if any issues arise, our support team is only a call away. This convenience and reliability factor into the price. So, while our price might be higher, consider the hours you might spend fiddling with a more DIY option. At the end of the day, how much is your time truly worth?
That's who this printer is for - people who want spent their time making parts, not printers. :)
65c chamber is pretty trash
Totally overpriced with crapy probe... RepRap firmware.... Nothing more to say. Reminds me of this shit BCN3D we have at our company.
So quick to judge! Sorry you had a bad experience with your BCN, but bad experiences are usually a result of lacking experience and doing things improperly, not following process... machine tools aren't easy (until now, we have the Bambu, that thing is insane for PLA....)
15 grand for outdated tech, wow the only thing bigger than your price tag is your overinflated ego.
Nice printer but $14,900.00 USD lol no ty.
Designed for the $900/kilo spools of material, it's not right for hobbyist or consumers :) It's a business machine, through and through :)
how is it possible to use LGX when the manufacturer makes this claim on the product? "Max Environment operating temperature : 70°C
Max stepper motor running temperature (using LGX) : 80℃" without watercooling or diferent morot type ? :D
That spec is for the original LGX, not the LGX Pro. These new ones use 180°C steppers and metal internals inside
@@VisionMiner I expected a metal gear, but I had no idea about the stepper. Nice to hear that