I've always HATED this job!!!!? ***NOW I LOVE IT!***HOW TO FIT DIMINISHING ROOF TRUSSES MADE EASY***
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2023
- In this video I show a great method of lining in and fitting diminishing roof trusses that are typically used to connect one truss roof to another.
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Cheers for the shout out del! Glad it’s worked for you! 👌👌
No sweat Ashley🤩 I give credit where its due bud😎
I love it when you find something that turns a job you dreaded into something you can't wait to do again.
Quite right👍and although I don't often use diminishing trusses in favour of loose rafters, I will be looking forward to the next set I'll have to fit👊Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
If you then put a 4x1 along ridge line it makes it easier to fit on your own as you can nail truss at ridge line then move the other points into position 👍
This day is just getting better and better Karl🤗If I get any more tips on making this easy, the trusses will end up fitting themselves👌Cheers fella🤩
I've been doing it like that for 20yrs
@@thetallcarpenter your welcome never too old to learn I’m 60 now and still learning 🥹
Thats a great method. We have always snapped lines either on the plywood if we are over framing or right on the trusses. Snapping the lines allows us to in fill our valley blocking prior to setting trusses also.
Hi bud🖐Had been fitting these trusses over a sheathed roof I think it would have been obvious to me to snap a chalk line as you do👊and the more I think about this the more foolish I feel for not having though about doing it this way on my own🤔😆Thanks for another great comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
We never stop learning , keeping an open mind is the key to success. Great job thanks.
Yep, couldn't agree more Jim👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
I use the 4x1 as a lay board and sit the diminishing trusses on top , pack the trusses up with 4x1 or roofing batten, I use a 4x1 instead of a string for the ridge too to keep them steady. It’s extra diagonal bracing for the roof also
Hi Mike🖐That's another great way of doing it bud, and thanks for your comment🤗Cheers Del
Exactly how I have been show to do them
Every day is a school day, keep it coming 👍👍👍🔨🔨🔨
Oh yeah Mark👍Cheers Del
Well 😳 been a carpenter for decades and this little gem just shut me right up not as timed served as I thought lol cracking idea
I was like a dog with 2 tails when I found how easy this method makes fitting these little trusses Matthew🤩Like I said, not my tip/trick, but definitely worth sharing😎Thanks for your comment🤩Cheers Del
Totally agree Del. Carpentry is a tough and physical job, especially site carpentry. Anything that make the day that bit easier is very welcome indeed. Once you hit your 50's it get even tougher. More brain and less brawn is my moto.
Too right bud👍and yes, doing the job in your 50's is NOT the same as doing it in your 20s/30s 😵Great comment and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
That’s the way I do it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🔨
Cheers Stuart🤩All the best😎
Anything to make life easier and simple but a great way Del. Keep it coming 👍👌👋
Its a new one for me John👌Thanks for your comment👊
Canada hear , i like to cut 22.5s and throw them between the peak and heels ,nail them together stepping up/diminishing , but not nail them to the main pitch yet . Then i run my string /easy to climb at this point having the v trusses to walk on , and then i can still shift them all to my string and nail them down ! Sooo you have to cut a few extra blocks but its ... much faster and easier ! Taught to me 13 years ago by a old ass man ... still havent found a better way ! Least amount of work ! Ps i pre nail the 22 and a halfs on to the vs first !
Hi Logan🖐Great to have real Canadian carpenter watching😎I like the sound of your method bud, and may well give it a go on the next one👊Thanks for watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
36 yrs Jesus's man, good Lerning new skills, sometimes I say how did I not now that, love it 😎
You always feel like a plumb Jason when someone points something out that was obvious but you didn't know it😆Thanks for your comment bud 😎 Cheers Del
Hi del love your videos planning to retire soon at 70 your so right been doing it for 52 years now and still learning little things every day most important thing to me is we have to pass on our knowledge to to youngster owerwhise our trade that we love will be gone seriousl lake of tradesmen out there
Hi Terry🖐Our trade, like many others, is destined to die out very shortly in terms of handed down, traditional methods😬 The UK construction sector has been actively downgraded in our schools and wider society over the last 20nor so years, and it's now no surprise that there is a CATASTROPHIC shortage of young and newly trained tradesmen on the market. As 'we' oldschool guys slow down and retire, the true magnitude of the problem will start to show, and if people think its hard to get skilled, consciousness tradesmen now, wait another 10 years and it will be impossible😵💫Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
100% agree with the new method and willingness to learn. Most carpenters worth their salt are always open to new ideas. I changed how I hang arc sets after doing it for years the college way. This method for diminishing trusses is great, would love to give this a spin. I like to cut the jack rafters not because of faster, but simply from a satisfaction standpoint. Won’t earn you any more money, but it reminds me of the time before roof trusses really took off and we used to cut all the fancy stuff by hand.
Again bud, I'm with you on handcutting lay boards and jack rafters, and the video I did about it is the best performing video on my channel💪Thanks again😎
@@thetallcarpenter Stella video, that was the one that introduced me to your channel. Easy sub from me. I built a twin oak frame garage in Southampton the year I left the UK. All split dowels no mechanical fixings, great experience and out of choice cut the roof by hand. I got really lucky with my apprenticeship the guy was a cut roofing specialist so I became the sponge. 2 ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen more than you talk. Lol. Would loved to have swung a hammer with ya.
👍👍👍Thank you.
No worries Pete🤗
Sitting here all smug saying that’s how I’ve always done it, but in all seriousness Del watching a few chippies on TH-cam I alway pick-up tips on say Kitchen fitting and staircases because like you say if it makes things easier then I’m all for that
Hi Mark🖐It feels a bit like when I got a track saw after everyone else had been using them for years😵💫 It's great to pick up new tips no matter how long you've been at it👍Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers
Im a chippie, and you're never to old to learn.
Your so right Carl👊Thanks for your comment🤩Cheers Del
The least kind carpenters I've worked with are the Welsh. Here in North Wales there is a closed club of Welsh joiners who oppose "foreigners" and especially non-Welsh speaking Welshmen. Having worked all over UK, with all different nationalities, my fellow Welshmen have generally proven to be the slyest. The English are generally kinder and happy to share. I'm not the only one to clock this. Having said this, my very best friends and colleagues are all Welsh.
Thanks interesting Kevin, as like you say, all the Welsh guys I've met, (albeit socially), have been really friendly and a right laugh🤔Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Great video Del !!! Thanks 😊😊😊😊😊😊😇
My pleasure Michael😎Cheers
I scraped grade C maths "O" level and consider myself fairly handy in a clapped out semi retired property maintenance sort of way😅 but I'm amazed how you guys work out these angles on site. I have a 4 sided hipped roof with vaulted ceiling and exposed rafters in part of my house. Every time I look at it I marvel at how the carpenter worked out how to do it!!
Hi Ian🖐I used to propery 'zone out' during matchs lessons at school, especially during triggernometry😬as I thought it would never be any use in the real world😵💫Funny how things turn out🤩Cheers Del
Hi Dell, excellent video as always. I agree with you that most guys are willing to shear their knowledge and learn something new in the process
You'd be nad not to be open to trying different ways of doing things Dan😵💫Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Hi Dell thanks for reply plan to semi retire next year bought farmhouse in france lot of barn conversions going on out there so hopefully pick up bit of work
Sounds amazing Terry🤩and I hope you can find enough to do, but not too much😉All the best😎Del
Spot on Del. As you know I don't just do Carpentry. But the sum of my knowledge is gained by pinching other people's ideas. As a better version appeared. I adopted it. As to your truss reducers. That is just how they are done in Oz. So have done that for last 25 years. All our truss process is pre fabricated. Nothing cut on site. There are different ways. And different systems. But all worked out and done at the truss plant. Then big mechano set like that. Easy isn't it.
Tuss manufacturing in Aus certainly sounds like it's got it's act together Dave👌Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
Thats brilliant del we can all learn new things 👍👍
It's always a great day when we do John🤩Cheers Del
Yes! Blindingly obvious when it's pointed out. Thanks for that. Filed for future reference.
Sure is Andrew🙃Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
excellent del. a while back i did a job with deminishing trusses and i asked you about them at the time. being a bit unsure as i hadnt even done a roof like that in 10 years your advise helped a lot. this one is even better.
sometimes the obvious passes you by also. then when you see it and the penny drops it becomes obvious.
after i started watching youtube lads i have massively improved at what i do. i just need to do more jobs involving roofing and the like
It's super cool bud that we can all benefit from sharing tips on places like TH-cam👊Cheers fella😎
Maaaate. Way eazier than a straight edge.. more accurate too. Will do it from now on
Sure is an easy way to line them up James👍Cheers Del
I've been doing this for years. You can also lay some 4x1 down as a lay board and work from point to point, but it depends on the roof tile.
I have also seen it done that way Alex🫡Cheers Del
Gentleman carpenter 👍
Many thanks Joe🤩Cheers Del
All well and good if the trusses are made well.. recently I've had trusses that were so far out from each other that they were never going to fit which ever method you choose..had to plane them .but, simple method for sure.
Fair point Jim🤔and we've all had to work with really poorly made trusses, and as you say, its not fun😬Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers
Well said Del. 🙌🏻.
The more open minded we can be the better. As we have mentioned before, we don’t know it all and it’s great to watch other tradesmen do stuff. 😉
Unlike the few trolls that know it all. 🫤
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Spot on Dan👊I'm always exited to see how other guys do things👍As always bud, thanks for your support🤗Cheers Del
Been in the game 15 years del. Always learning. Btw would be interesting seeing your tool box. J
There's ALWAYS something you haven't seen before bud, and it's only a matter of how long you have to wait for someone to show you🤩Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Virtually exactly the same as I have always done, the only difference is I put a nog with a centre mark at the ridge height measured up from the bottom of the ceiling then pick a straight 4x1 rather than using a string line. That way you can plumb the diminishers and tack them as you go.
I get what you're saying Steve, and 4x1 'ridge' to fix them plumb is the icing on the cake👊Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Thanks for sharing the information Del Iv never seen it done that way before and I’m a dinosaur at 54😂
I'm 53 Ian, and at least we'll go extinct together😆Thanks for watching bud🤩Cheers Del
No idea what you're talking about, but it sounds like a great hack 😂
Cheers Gary🤩
I do them this way . Easiest method ive found
It's certainly easy Mark👊and I won't be doing them any other way from now on👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
nice one buddy they are a pain. But love it when things like this happen. but much prefer a complicated cut roof any day
I'm with you YB3👊Bud sadly, I still have to do a fair few trussed roofs😶Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Great video Del and great method, I’ve found it works well onto trusses but they can still be a nightmare to fit when your tiying into old roofs and there not very flat or square. 🤯
I hear you Matthew😬and to be honest, I've only ever used diminishing trusses on new builds, and even then, most of the time I ask for loose fill timber to join the roofs together👍Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del
Omg Del, know exactly what you mean. Trying to keep it touching the line and the right centres and stop it sliding down the trusses! Absolute ball ache😂
I know Lee🤔and feel like a lemon, especially reading some other comments, for using this method years ago😶Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
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Top man Adrian😎
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Cheers fella😎
I found the centre of ridge and pissed about with the straight edge , boned them through. , But that way is good as long as the timbers are straight
Oh yeah David🤔the 4x1's need to straight, or lined in straight👊Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers
Havent done roof for years but i think i was shown to skew nail a 4x2 along the ridge on one side as straight edge and 1 lower and move the trusses to the them. Could be wrong.
Hi R🖐Yeah, I think that's how I was shown🤔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Everyday is a school day buddy.
You know it Tim🤓Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers
Everyday is a school day 😉
It sure is Jim👌Thanks for watching🤩Cheers
I was taught a different way this is so much easier 😂😂
As I said in the video David, I was also taught to do this differently, but this 'new' way has left me buzzing😜Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Everyday's a school day 🤪
Oh yeah Tony👊Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del
For the guys who build it on 4x1 it’s not wrong but it is a waste of timber
Agreed👍
I don't understand why you wouldn't put the roof sheathing on the main roof first?
Hi William🖐We don't ply sheath our roofs here in England, as we cover them in a waterproof 'felt' membrane, then 2x1 battens and finally either concrete tiled or slate👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
As they say Dell you never stop learning, and the day you think you know it all, give up.
Absolutely Kev👊Thanks for watching bud🤩Cheers
That’s how iv always done it
You kept that a secret Steve😜Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I just assumed that’s how every one did it tbh lol line though the top timber each side then you got your 3 points but iam the same as you definitely enjoy cutting it in more
@@stevewiles9900 Because I nearly ALWAYS connect my truss roofs with loose fill timber, I guess I never really put that much effort into finding a decent way to fit these diminishing trusses🤔I feel like I'm up to speed now👍Cheers
Well said, there is more than one way to skin a cat! Now show us how you skin that cat on a hip😜I have only ever been sent them once and it was on a massive garage hip! probably easy but i didnt use them, Saved it till the last job and found enough timber to cut it in!😂😂
Scrap that. You only have a video on it💪🏻 wish it was out when I did mine, seems so simple but singled handed I could not be bothered with it! Keep em coming💪🏻
Glad you found the video bud👍Thanks for your comments🤩Cheers Del
Every day is a school day Del 🤙🏾🤙🏾🧱👍🏽
I absolutely LOVE learning new ways of doing things Steve😍Thanks for watching bud😎
If you use a 8x1 valley board instead of a 4x1 then your valley is already layed down and ready to be marked and cut
I hear you Glenn👍but I tend to only use what's available on site👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I don't like it at all makes it harder to put the plywood on
We have to cut ply in up the valleys flush with the top of the truss William, to take a GRP valley tray that the tiles lap over, and it's a HORRIBLE job to do😵💫Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
The problem is the carpentry training is so piss poor , we should have places with full house rigs , where the apprentices can actually cut roofs on
Fit kitchens. , It really is dog shite , rant over 😢
Don't go there David😬The UK construction sector is heading for oblivion in the next 15 to 20 years, as there just isn't many youngsters coming into it to replace the guys as they get old and retire🤯
I was in the first year of the nvq system (43)
The truss training or module was 3 to 4 small trusses
Set out on a row of blocks 225mm. Off the floor. With 3 braces on 🙈 it was disgraceful ,
I now have a small company with an apprentice , I often ask him what he's been taught at college , he's become a so called qualified carpenter. In about 18 months.
I just find it so ridiculous and shameful. That young people are not being taught. Even remotely properly and given qualifications 😭
@@davidprice9265 Thats a joke David🙄
@@davidprice9265 I suspect we could talk about this issue all night David😬
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Cheers Paddy🤩
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Cheers Richard🤩