Correct, main thing is purely the 8" balrog, and the pseudo movement of moving your opponent's models with the whip and Watcher's tentacles. Going to have to wait for Armies of Middle Earth to get everything back! Alex
about spears and supporting: since its not mentioned in the new book anymore, can a model be supported by two spear wearing models that are both in base contact with the fighting model?
This is a contentious topic ATM. Rules as written yes you can multi support but I will refuse that play that way and any tournaments I run there will be multi supports -Sean
Depends on what their wargear options are. So you can only select one of what's listed under a profile. Some allow for spear and shield, others may not In the case for the rangers of Gondor, they come with a bow baked into their profile and I believe they have the option to purchase a spear. If this is the case then yes you can have rangers with spear and bow. -Sean
So according to GW, morgul knights didnt get scrapped they simply changed name to Black Númenórean Knights, however none of the new formations have them, so whats up with that?
Hello I’ve been checking the game rules the changes are interesting, they did a good rework. What they seem to lack a bunch it’s the army composition, they seem they forgot to test properly.
I'm confused about mounts that stick around after the rider is dead, and how it's calculated for questering. I understand that for breaking it counts as a model killed, that's fine. But for quartering, where the important value is models left on the table, you'll have stray wargs running around that don't count? That doesn't sound easy to keep track of, or even logical in terms of what the rule should represent.
Hey guys great podcast! In your opinion in this edition the Rise of the necromancer LL will be at least playable? I always loved the Necromancer and Nazgul of Dol Guldur miniatures but last edition LL was unplayable due to the "only heroes" list. With this edition in which they have orcs will they be at least a little competitive even with magic nerfing? Sadly the nazgul of DG are still very weak profiles 😢
Hey guys! What does the Elven keyword on weapons? I saw that there is "elven spear" in warrior profiles. Is this the same rule like with previous Elven Blades (3+ to win tied combat)?
It's the same "elven-made" rule as in the current edition (someone who had the book and posting pics from it said it on mesbg discord). They just gave it to a whole bunch of weapons for the elves instead of just swords so no more crappy imported spears from Gondor. Elven lances on Rivendell Knights (and Captain) is pretty spicy.
@@MtnGoatGaming 1pts cheaper AND Elven lances? RivKnight bros, we eating good this edition. (also buffed Elrond, mega buffed Arwen and super saiyan thermonuclear water blast Bruinen ability)
Create free buzz about our products?! No thank you, I'd rather my stuff, stake regular channels. Companies will never change it seems! Thanks to both channels for all you do ❤
Shield wall Uruk makes little thematic sense, they were standing in a row at Helms deep, they don't seem to fight in an organised supporting manner that a shield wall requires
Shooting was always true line of sight for what you can see, but base to base for the purpose of measuring the distance. Now in an elevated position, you measure to the closest point of the model
I love all this part of the new edition, the new rules and profiles (most of them) are amazing. But the army list... they are not for me. There are a lot of models missing at the momment and i do not know how they are gonna make it different with the armys of the middle earth rules. For now i am thinking playing with the new rules and profiles, but building the armys the old way until AOTME comes out. My comunnity is kinda small and a lot of friends have their armys on the air at the momment.
@ it’s more the actual team? Derby is a random team to support as is Coventry! Love that you love EFL though! Super cool but just random teams! Thought it would be Man Utd 😂
Don’t actually support them, lifelong gunner! But did a heap of travel around Europe over the last few years and usually try and grab a shirt from each team I watched. Alex
I still don't like the Two-Handed Weapon rules, it's still unbalanced with too much counterpart. And over that, too much dwarves have now to deal with Two-Handed weapon only (Grim-Hammer and Thorin's Company).
I dunno man. In theory there's some play there with them. I'm not prepared to say anything is dog shit or amazing till I've seen it on the table. -Sean
Just gonna have to play in a different style. There's gonna be a lot more kiting with them. Don't over commit to combats, but when you decide to throw everything at your opponent make sure it's a killing blow. You'll need to dictate the game and force your opponent to play in a way they don't want to. -Sean
Great Video! As close as it get's to reading it on my own!
Glad I watched all the leak vods before geedubs sent them to the shadow realm
I’ll watch any video with Matthew Todd in it! What a hero
Long have I awaited this moment... New Edition spicy
Super hyped for all the new stuff. Also a bit sad that there are so many silly problems that weren't fixed like scenarios but eh we'll survive
Another great vid !
And you ser are a great viewer 😘
-Sean
Greendragon podcast is the s tier mesbg podcast
They are the best there ever has been and ever will be.
-Sean
Please tell me I’m wrong. Moria (excuse me Misty Mountains) doesn’t have any options for mobility now?
Correct, main thing is purely the 8" balrog, and the pseudo movement of moving your opponent's models with the whip and Watcher's tentacles. Going to have to wait for Armies of Middle Earth to get everything back!
Alex
@ Hopefully
Love the video have to ask though whats General Hunter rule do? i dont think i heard yous go through that one.
@@alexjohnson5304 from memory it’s blood and glory - just only if you kill the leader.
-J
Awesome thanks thought it might be makes sense thanks 👍
Cant wait to run Harad lol
Double mumak let's gooooooooo.
-Sean
about spears and supporting: since its not mentioned in the new book anymore, can a model be supported by two spear wearing models that are both in base contact with the fighting model?
This is a contentious topic ATM.
Rules as written yes you can multi support but I will refuse that play that way and any tournaments I run there will be multi supports
-Sean
@@MtnGoatGaming Is it possible they forgot to put it in the new book? imagine having one uruk-hai be support by 4 pikes lol
can a model have a spear AND shield ? Rangers of Gondor can they have their bow plus a spear?
Depends on what their wargear options are.
So you can only select one of what's listed under a profile.
Some allow for spear and shield, others may not
In the case for the rangers of Gondor, they come with a bow baked into their profile and I believe they have the option to purchase a spear.
If this is the case then yes you can have rangers with spear and bow.
-Sean
So according to GW, morgul knights didnt get scrapped they simply changed name to Black Númenórean Knights, however none of the new formations have them, so whats up with that?
They will be the yet to be revealed “armies of middle earth” book.
Hello
I’ve been checking the game rules the changes are interesting, they did a good rework.
What they seem to lack a bunch it’s the army composition, they seem they forgot to test properly.
So what did they do to heroic strength and heroic challenge?
Free attacks on spear supports, Cave Troll meta!!!
Why you not fix maelstrom to alt actions? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I'm confused about mounts that stick around after the rider is dead, and how it's calculated for questering. I understand that for breaking it counts as a model killed, that's fine. But for quartering, where the important value is models left on the table, you'll have stray wargs running around that don't count? That doesn't sound easy to keep track of, or even logical in terms of what the rule should represent.
It's exactly like goblin town was in the current edition, when the scribe would bring them on.
You're just gonna have to keep track of them all.
-Sean
Hey guys great podcast! In your opinion in this edition the Rise of the necromancer LL will be at least playable? I always loved the Necromancer and Nazgul of Dol Guldur miniatures but last edition LL was unplayable due to the "only heroes" list. With this edition in which they have orcs will they be at least a little competitive even with magic nerfing? Sadly the nazgul of DG are still very weak profiles 😢
@@reslime I do think they are playable man.
We saw people in QLD run that legion before and do very well with it.
-J
@@MtnGoatGaming thanks! I will definetly build it then!
I missed it, what's the change to Heroic Channelling? I'm guessing you auto-cast the spell without the roll?
you auto roll a 6 when you make your next cast.
-Sean
@MtnGoatGaming Dude let's go. So worth the might if 1) you want to eat up the targets will or 2) make it nigh impossible for the target to resist.
Hey guys! What does the Elven keyword on weapons? I saw that there is "elven spear" in warrior profiles. Is this the same rule like with previous Elven Blades (3+ to win tied combat)?
It's the same "elven-made" rule as in the current edition (someone who had the book and posting pics from it said it on mesbg discord). They just gave it to a whole bunch of weapons for the elves instead of just swords so no more crappy imported spears from Gondor. Elven lances on Rivendell Knights (and Captain) is pretty spicy.
Xenksophont has it spot on
-Sean
@@MtnGoatGaming 1pts cheaper AND Elven lances? RivKnight bros, we eating good this edition. (also buffed Elrond, mega buffed Arwen and super saiyan thermonuclear water blast Bruinen ability)
lego did the same to me, tried to delete my whole channel. All support here from me
Yeah, flew too close to the sun 🙃
@ Icarus my son, be careful!
Create free buzz about our products?! No thank you, I'd rather my stuff, stake regular channels.
Companies will never change it seems! Thanks to both channels for all you do ❤
Somebody should do a printable rules changelog for us who are too lazy to see if the wording on a rule has changed or not.
Shield wall Uruk makes little thematic sense, they were standing in a row at Helms deep, they don't seem to fight in an organised supporting manner that a shield wall requires
They did do a Testudo formation to protect their ram at Helms Deep, so not that crazy in my opinion
So Gulavhar still will be very hard to play against evil armies that can shoot...:( He is not that large, rigth? Maybe he will be small...:P
MUMAK UPGRADES YES SIRRRR 🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘
I love the new exceeds the strength value rule to stop war beasts.
Fun fact the troll brute is a war beast
-Sean
@ Bofur can take troll brute as a mount, I know now what I must do.
Never thought I’d ask a non-SBG question but is Alex a fellow Rams fan or is that just a bit cos it’s like a goat 🤔
Sadly Alex is a gooner.
I'm just as disappointed as you will be with that revelation.
-Sean
@ I knew that bloke just goes around gooning people, smh
Shooting has always been true line of sight, not base to base. But its nothing hard to judge.
Shooting was always true line of sight for what you can see, but base to base for the purpose of measuring the distance.
Now in an elevated position, you measure to the closest point of the model
celeborn has writhing vines
What a dope new magical power.
-Sean
@@MtnGoatGaming New Celeborn is dope and sexy
I love all this part of the new edition, the new rules and profiles (most of them) are amazing.
But the army list... they are not for me. There are a lot of models missing at the momment and i do not know how they are gonna make it different with the armys of the middle earth rules.
For now i am thinking playing with the new rules and profiles, but building the armys the old way until AOTME comes out. My comunnity is kinda small and a lot of friends have their armys on the air at the momment.
Dominant should have just been wounds remaining for all models, gives all heroes a bit more of a I'm better than you 1 wound model.
Why are you wearing a derby county shirt???? Random 😂
We love football here in Aus aswelll.
I myself am a hardcore Coventry support
-Sean
@ it’s more the actual team? Derby is a random team to support as is Coventry! Love that you love EFL though! Super cool but just random teams! Thought it would be Man Utd 😂
Don’t actually support them, lifelong gunner! But did a heap of travel around Europe over the last few years and usually try and grab a shirt from each team I watched.
Alex
@ love that! Love the videos as well!
You do realise Games Workshop is based in Nottingham?? They will 100% bring down your channel now they’ve seen you in a Derby County shirt 😂
I still don't like the Two-Handed Weapon rules, it's still unbalanced with too much counterpart. And over that, too much dwarves have now to deal with Two-Handed weapon only (Grim-Hammer and Thorin's Company).
Throwing weapons be a 1/3rd now...
Thror is sad
Yeah ruins the Grimm Hammer spam army lists, but warriors of erebor Do a similar job.
-Sean
@MtnGoatGaming I kinda want to try khazad dum since it will have more flavor.
I just hope the dwarf king stays in that list
Keen for the armies of the middle earth book to drop, so we can get even more armies like Khazad-Dum
-Sean
@@MtnGoatGaming does the rule book have all the armies names?
Rip hunter orcs. Azog hunters are complete dogshit now.
I dunno man.
In theory there's some play there with them.
I'm not prepared to say anything is dog shit or amazing till I've seen it on the table.
-Sean
@MtnGoatGaming 8 points for Def 4 f3 with no spears means on the turn you don't get your second attacks your army gonna get minced.
@@metascrub285leave it with me man. I’ll make azog’s great again ♥️
-J
Just gonna have to play in a different style.
There's gonna be a lot more kiting with them. Don't over commit to combats, but when you decide to throw everything at your opponent make sure it's a killing blow.
You'll need to dictate the game and force your opponent to play in a way they don't want to.
-Sean
@@MtnGoatGaming honestly minas morgul are the new azogs hunters. 5 point blade of the dead go brahhhh